Not sure if you would care to go into this. I believe raw materials are legal but capsule or formed pills have much more regulation in the overseas aspect. Possibly gray area like many circumvent here?
I don't care what anyone takes and don't judge anyone for taking whatever they want to. But I do feel that companies should be honest with people about it bc I feel like people should be aware of the risks involved - both in terms of legal and health risks. (Which is why I complimented
@delsolrob on his post talking about that).
I'm not sure what part you were asking me to go more into, but I'll be glad to try explain more about it.
Importing illegal products:
If you buy something that is illegal in this country from overseas, you risk getting in trouble.
Will you get arrested? Most likely, no, but people should be aware that there's a chance.
Will you wind up in a government customs database? Most likely, yes.
If the product is a Scheduled drug, can you be charged with a felony? Yes.
Have people been charged with felonies for importing scheduled prohormones? Last time I checked, yes, in 41 different states people had been charged with felonies for importing scheduled or illegal substances - relating to ph's and sarm's.
^^^^ I think that is why Rob was cautioning people on it.
Sarm's/Ph's and Testing:
Rob stated:
It's pretty rare to see a SARM product that did not fail independent testing - since these cannot be manufactured at a cGMP facility, you are risking quality, inspection, and testing.
^^^ He is absolutely correct on that.
In reply to what you said in your post:
China banned the manufacture and export of sarm compounds and a long list of other related compounds in 2020. It was huge news in the industry both on the US and Chinese side. There were Chinese suppliers that had stocks and were scrambling to figure out how to get rid of them as quickly as possible bc they didn't want to get their entire operation shut down because of them.
The raw materials are absolutely not legal here. That's one of those weird things that some companies try to convince consumers, but I really think they're more trying to convince themselves and make themselves feel better about what they're doing. If something is illegal, its illegal. There's no distinction in the law that says something is legal in a liquid, but not in a capsule.
There are things that are Schedule III, there are things that are classified as misbranded drugs, and there are things that are outright banned, some of which are scheduled.
The whole 'research chem' thing doesn't make it legal - there are a lot of places that haven't gotten caught, there are some that don't make enough money for the government to fool with, but that doesn't make it legal.
There are criminal cases on over 40 states related to the sale of sarm's and research chemicals.
As a consumer, you may never hear about it or may only hear about it if its in the news, but most of the cases don't make big news bc many are now handled by local law enforcement. But
@delsolrob and I both work in the industry so we hear about it a lot more than consumers will.
I know retailers that have been charged with selling drugs just bc of having liquid sarm's in their stores. And its sad, because in some of the cases, the retailers believed what the brands were telling them and they'd convinced them it was legal, but then the brand gets popped and they hand over their customer list and retailers get in trouble for believing them and selling the stuff.
One particularly super nice gentleman that I know that owned a retail store is almost 60 years old and he lost his business and is serving jail time right now bc of selling liquid sarm's - bc he believed a company that lied to him and told him it was legal bc it was a liquid.
^^^ That's what I mean about knowing the risks - I don't judge him for selling them at all and I wouldn't judge him if he knew the risks and chose to sell them bc that's personal choice - but he deserved to know the risks and be able to make a conscious decision about it rather than be misled into believing it was legal and now having his life destroyed over it. I hope that makes sense.
An example of a big case involving liquid sarm's and research chems to show you that selling liquid ones is very much definitively illegal:
If I remember correctly, the name of the company was Proven Peptides, they were based in NC and I have friends that live in the small town they were based out of. They sold liquid sarm's and the owner was hit with multiple felonies and over a 10 million dollar fine/forfeiture.
As a consumer, you don't hear about it as much as we do - but as people working in the industry, we hear about it more and are more likely to know people that have had it happen to them.
I know that neither I nor
@delsolrob judge anyone on anything they choose to take. I think its just that neither of us want to see anyone get in trouble or have any harmful side effects happen to them, especially if they didn't know the risks.
