If you could only take 1 natty anabolic substance, what would it be?

[thescience]

We'll have you covered on that in about 2 weeks

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you people have any idea what's about to be unleashed?

 

[BigGame84]

the chebulic was supposedly added to give a calming effect. i used something called Primal that was also sourced from the same raws as Prime which didnt have it and it was every bit as good.

Ok, so Precision Research didn't include the chebulic... I didn't know that.

 

[Beau]

So what’s the verdict on the soybean squabble??

Here is my takeaway.

Some people make truthful, definitive, thorough and complete statements using terms as they were intended to be used, with detailed explanations that provide information in the proper context.

Others don't.

I hope this was helpful.

 

[paulg]

Will this also have Chebulic Myrobalan which was the other ingredient in Prime?

If one more person brings up Prime....

 

[Monte Brogan]

The high majority appreciates your thoroughness along with your great products.

This.

Stay strong and please stay the course, Steve. We need you and appreciate your many contributions. You posts have taught me a great deal and made me a loyal customer of your companies.

 

[sns8778]

I like how you explain yourself.
Super clear.

Thank you. I always try to be respectful of people reading and following along and also want people that may not be following now, but come across threads years down the road to be able to easily understand my posts and learn from them.

Keep on posting for every negative one you get there is the silence majority that like your post

Thanks. I try my best to help people and I like helping people that actually want to learn.

The high majority appreciates your thoroughness along with your great products.

Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words and support.

This.

Stay strong and please stay the course, Steve. We need you and appreciate your many contributions. You posts have taught me a great deal and made me a loyal customer of your companies.

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

I like supplements and I love helping people and that's a big part of what this is all about to me - helping people to reach their goals and hopefully improve their quality of life through supplements.

I hate negativity and drama, and the bs in this thread was so avoidable.

 

[Smont]

See....!!!! If everyone just took the goddamn creatine then no1 had to get shot. Mudafukinsoybeanoil

 

[sns8778]

Here is my takeaway.

Some people make truthful, definitive, thorough and complete statements using terms as they were intended to be used, with detailed explanations that provide information in the proper context.

Others don't.

I hope this was helpful.

Thanks for posting that.

I like supplements and I love helping people, and that's what this is about to me - helping people reach their goals and hopefully improve their quality of life through supplements.

I never thought I would see a day where people would complain because someone actually takes the time to try to help people and explain things thoroughly, especially here on AM. This used to be a place where people came to learn about supplements.

I always try to be thorough and explain things in a way that anyone can understand. I know that there are a lot of people that read here that don't post and I'm always respectful that some may just be starting out in trying to learn about things, so I try to post in a way that they can understand, follow along, and learn.

I never expect anyone to know all of the things about supplements that I know - that comes from 20+ years of research and experience. I'm always glad to explain things and help people that want to learn - but that's the thing now days is that it seems like more and more people would rather just be right in their own minds than try to learn anything, or criticize others rather than actually contribute anything themselves.

I will never understand that mindset because I love to learn. I love to learn new things about supplements, and I enjoy getting to work on the formulation side with some great companies and great scientists and be able to be involved with some really cool projects. It makes me happy to be able to share that knowledge with other people that are interested in learning it, but I think I need to find other places to do so.

I will never understand how some people that claim to have an interest in something insist on being so rude or disrespectful to people that own companies in the given field, but take the time to make themselves available for interaction with them.

For example, I love whitewater rafting. If I had access to ask questions to and personally interact with top rafting guides or company owners and they would be nice to me, help me, and answer my questions - I would be so excited and appreciative. I couldn't imagine trying to argue with them or criticize them for taking the time to answer questions thoroughly.

 

[Jiigzz]

Thanks for all the answers as well as your clarification SNS.

I’ve already ordered from MN but in the future since I use mostly SNS products I might as well go from SNS.

I plan on poking a hole and emptying the capsules. Would you increase the dosing at all because of this? In relation to the residual left over inside the capsule. Do you think it would be significant?

I wouldn't stress too much about it. The amount you're likely to lose will be minor, unless you're not squeezing the cap enough.

 

[Foxx13]

Here is my takeaway.

Some people make truthful, definitive, thorough and complete statements using terms as they were intended to be used, with detailed explanations that provide information in the proper context.

Others don't.

I hope this was helpful.

I definetly agree, some people make detailed explainations and others write long drawn out posts for the sake of stroking their ego, but to each their own I guess.

 

[max silver]

I definetly agree, some people make detailed explainations and others write long drawn out posts for the sake of stroking their ego, but to each their own I guess.

Steve from SNS is a tremendous asset to this board, and the last thing I've seen him do is write long posts simply to stroke his own ego. He is quite possibly the most helpful individual I've ever come across with regards to assisting directly in how to utilize his products and he goes out of his way to answer any questions and break down detailed scientific information into an easy to digest format. It seems that he took offense to the point where he was considering stepping back his board contributions due to your earlier snarky post about how long his post was as if being detailed and thorough is somehow a bad thing. I can say with 100% certainty this would be a massive loss to this board as he's one of the primary contributors and one of the true good guys in an industry filled with snakes. It would be a massive shame if some random internet asshole were to ruin such an amazing asset for the rest of us who don't go out of our way to act like a dick to a major board contributor so I suggest you reconsider the path you are embarking on.

 

[sns8778]

I definetly agree, some people make detailed explainations and others write long drawn out posts for the sake of stroking their ego, but to each their own I guess.

It's pretty obvious that you're just trolling, but I'll reply anyway.

Not sure what ego has to do with trying to explain a situation when someone posts something that is completely false and misleading, especially when it relates to allergens, which can be a very serious issue to some people.

Even the person that posted it himself said that he was trying to avoid soybean oil, and he thought he was by taking a different product - when in reality the product he was talking about taking actually has soybean oil in it, just labeled differently.

It's pretty ironic that you mention ego - because I actually downplay most things because I'm a fairly shy person and don't like recognition for a lot of things. I've been invited over and over on many of the industry podcasts, but always turn it down bc I'm not comfortable with that type of thing. If it were about ego, you'd hear me on a new podcast every couple weeks or making a bigger deal about some of the companies I formulate for, but instead I never mention them and request that they don't mention me as well.

You never hear me brag about owning 3 supplement companies, and you rarely hear me mention that I got my start in the industry doing formulation for other brands, several of which are much larger than my brands, or that I do formulation for over a dozen brands and have a consulting business that helps launch new brands. You also never hear me boast about my involvement with ingredient suppliers and helping bring new ingredients to market, or being the first company to launch a lot of new branded ingredients. Instead, you'll normally hear me be very grateful and thankful to the companies for the opportunities, and downplay the significance of any role that I had in it.

For example, we'll be launching a new branded ingredient in the next 2 months that I've been involved with helping develop for over 8 months, but I haven't mentioned it once. We'll also be the first company to launch another major branded ingredient in the US market within the next 2 months - I haven't mentioned it on here at all.

I get told every week by consumers, other company owners, and retailers that I should do many of the things above - and I've been told that for years, but that's just not my personality.

I come here to help people - and a lot of what I help people with has nothing to do with my supplements, nor is anything I ever make a penny from.

There are some of us that truly like helping people, and enjoy supplements and the science and like interacting with and helping to teach others about it that are interested in learning.

It's pretty obvious based on your post history that you don't contribute anything positive or try to help people here; instead you just pop into threads and make snarky comments or criticize people- so it appears to be you that is trying to stroke your own ego thinking you're being funny or sound cool.

There are actually some people that read or post at AM to try to actually learn about supplements; and there are some of us that work in the industry that care enough about helping people to still post here and try to help people that want to learn.

But there are a lot less members and company owners that post here anymore and a large part of why is dealing with negativity and bs from people like you - who won't be happy until they chase off what few people still contribute here and screw it up for everyone.


See, I realize that from your end, its always easier to insult other people and try to stir up drama than to actually be helpful and try to contribute anything - but I'm also not going to deal with it anymore - so I would suggest that you keep your smartass comments to yourself and stay out of threads that I post in, as any further bs from you I'm just going to report to the Admin and we can see what his opinion is of your popping in threads just to try to stir up drama.

 

[sns8778]

Steve from SNS is a tremendous asset to this board, and the last thing I've seen him do is write long posts simply to stroke his own ego. He is quite possibly the most helpful individual I've ever come across with regards to assisting directly in how to utilize his products and he goes out of his way to answer any questions and break down detailed scientific information into an easy to digest format. It seems that he took offense to the point where he was considering stepping back his board contributions due to your earlier snarky post about how long his post was as if being detailed and thorough is somehow a bad thing. I can say with 100% certainty this would be a massive loss to this board as he's one of the primary contributors and one of the true good guys in an industry filled with snakes. It would be a massive shame if some random internet asshole were to ruin such an amazing asset for the rest of us who don't go out of our way to act like a dick to a major board contributor so I suggest you reconsider the path you are embarking on.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

It's always interesting when you check the post history of people that post things like he did, because you'll rarely ever find that they post anything useful or helpful at all. And most of the time, its those that don't do anything to help or contribute anything themselves that are the most negative towards anyone that does.

The Admin has asked, and I would encourage everyone to click the report button anytime any of us sees any posts that are trying to stir up drama or bs, because all it does is discourage people from reading and posting here.

But yes, you are correct - I didn't post the rest of the week bc of the bs in this thread, not just his comment but the other ridiculous situation in this thread as well. I'll still post, I just probably won't be as active bc I work 70+ hours a week on average and I just don't have the time to deal with bs like that. But I'm always glad to answer questions or help anyone in any way that I can, and anyone that wants my contact information outside of here is welcome to pm me and get it.

I'm also working on several things I'm excited about that will be ways in which I can help provide information to people that really want to learn, and also to be able to interact with people and answer their questions.

 

[DaveMcNaul]

It's pretty obvious that you're just trolling, but I'll reply anyway.

Not sure what ego has to do with trying to explain a situation when someone posts something that is completely false and misleading, especially when it relates to allergens, which can be a very serious issue to some people.

Even the person that posted it himself said that he was trying to avoid soybean oil, and he thought he was by taking a different product - when in reality the product he was talking about taking actually has soybean oil in it, just labeled differently.

It's pretty ironic that you mention ego - because I actually downplay most things because I'm a fairly shy person and don't like recognition for a lot of things. I've been invited over and over on many of the industry podcasts, but always turn it down bc I'm not comfortable with that type of thing. If it were about ego, you'd hear me on a new podcast every couple weeks or making a bigger deal about some of the companies I formulate for, but instead I never mention them and request that they don't mention me as well.

You never hear me brag about owning 3 supplement companies, and you rarely hear me mention that I got my start in the industry doing formulation for other brands, several of which are much larger than my brands, or that I do formulation for over a dozen brands and have a consulting business that helps launch new brands. You also never hear me boast about my involvement with ingredient suppliers and helping bring new ingredients to market, or being the first company to launch a lot of new branded ingredients. Instead, you'll normally hear me be very grateful and thankful to the companies for the opportunities, and downplay the significance of any role that I had in it.

For example, we'll be launching a new branded ingredient in the next 2 months that I've been involved with helping develop for over 8 months, but I haven't mentioned it once. We'll also be the first company to launch another major branded ingredient in the US market within the next 2 months - I haven't mentioned it on here at all.

I get told every week by consumers, other company owners, and retailers that I should do many of the things above - and I've been told that for years, but that's just not my personality.

I come here to help people - and a lot of what I help people with has nothing to do with my supplements, nor is anything I ever make a penny from.

There are some of us that truly like helping people, and enjoy supplements and the science and like interacting with and helping to teach others about it that are interested in learning.

It's pretty obvious based on your post history that you don't contribute anything positive or try to help people here; instead you just pop into threads and make snarky comments or criticize people- so it appears to be you that is trying to stroke your own ego thinking your being funny or sound cool.

There are actually some people that read or post at AM to try to actually learn about supplements; and there are some of us that work in the industry that care enough about helping people to still post here and try to help people that want to learn.

But there are a lot less members and company owners that post here anymore and a large part of why is dealing with negativity and bs from people like you - who won't be happy until they chase off what few people still contribute here and screw it up for everyone.


See, I realize that from your end, its always easier to insult other people and try to stir up drama than to actually be helpful and try to contribute anything - but I'm also not going to deal with it anymore - so I would suggest that you keep your smartass comments to yourself and stay out of threads that I post in, as any further bs from you I'm just going to report to the Admin and we can see what his opinion is of your popping in threads just to try to stir up drama.

Excellent.

This is a brilliant statement, nothing more to add.

 

[paulg]

I just got a prescription to get some tadalafil and also bought some beet root powder haha. Is it correct that you can take tadalafil for months and not become reliant on it? (in the sense you cant get an erection with out using it) my reading implies that not only you do not rely on it (maybe for the diamond dick status) but your normal erections should be better off it because it makes it all more efficient ?

It took me three yrs to adapt to it. 9mg was great for a while. Then had to go to 18. Once I hit 27mg I knew I had to switch.
Doing generic Levitra now. Lasts shorter duration but way less sides.
I don't think you're body grows dependant on it. Mine is intermittent and at times I'm good. Every natural thing I tried (Barlow's) had short lived results.

 

[paulg]

50mg 2x is a high dose. Surprised your joints are doing OK.

Guess what? Yea, I'm starting to crash. Fatigue and joints. Will drop to 50mg a day. I guess 25/25. Its just that the 50mg pre workout is so amazing.

 

[paulg]

We don't see 50 mg. x 2 much, but we see 25 mg. 3x per day a lot and very rarely hear anyone having any issues with joints.

It's one of those ingredients that works good for most people, but fantastic for some people - I've learned that over the years from feedback we're received on the Muscle Addiction Eradicate-E.

I'm starting to see the 100mg being too much. It wasn't MA btw, and this particular brand is actually 50mg capsules. I do have a fresh bottle of MA Eradicate E and I'm switching to 25/25 tomorrow.

 

[BigGame84]

Guess what? Yea, I'm starting to crash. Fatigue and joints. Will drop to 50mg a day. I guess 25/25. Its just that the 50mg pre workout is so amazing.

How long have you been on?

 

[paulg]

How long have you been on?

Three weeks.
Amazing workouts but the sides are creeping up.

 

[scoooter]

This thread reads like a F(^CKN soap opera !

Sure got off course from the title - where are the thoughts on the 1 natty substance

 

[chainsaw]

This thread reads like a F(^CKN soap opera !

Sure got off course from the title - where are the thoughts on the 1 natty substance

I concur

 

[sllizz_____]

Whats the difference between peptistrong and peptiflex?

 

[bell1986]

Very overlooked but good answer.

I can't take Monohydrate myself bc it bloats me terribly, but would definitely say Creatine HCI or Magnesium Creatine Chelate; so could say creatine in general and then whatever forms works best for a person.

Does creatine give you bloat also?

I'm the exact same. I'm fed up of people saying. It only fills the muscle with fluid. That's honestly false.

I've actually done a skin calliper measurement around my abdomen. I put 3-4mm of extra mass on when I take creatine monohydrate. That's a fat skin pinch.

I look bloated all day on creatine also. I look much better when I stop.

I'm having a problem with creatine just now. Not sure if you would have any advice?

Whenever I'm supplementing creatine I get awful night sweats. Honestly my bed is drenched in sweat. If I stop then the sweats go away? Recently I added it back in and... Terrible night sweats again.

I can't work out why it's causing this?

I also get a withdrawal when I stop creatine. Once I stop I get very lethargic. Took me a while to work this out. My withdrawal so bad the last time that I had to add creatine back in just to function at work. Once I added it back in. Energy levels were back. I'm now tapering off it.

I looked this up on reddit and forums and loads of people get this same withdrawal? Do you notice this also?

 

[sns8778]

Does creatine give you bloat also?

I'm the exact same. I'm fed up of people saying. It only fills the muscle with fluid. That's honestly false.

I look bloated all day on creatine also. I look much better when I stop.

I'm having a problem with creatine just now. Not sure if you would have any advice?

Whenever I'm supplementing creatine I get awful night sweats. Honestly my bed is drenched in sweat. If I stop then the sweats go away? Recently I added it back in and... Terrible night sweats again.

I can't work out why it's causing this?

I also get a withdrawal when I stop creatine. Once I stop I get very lethargic. Took me a while to work this out. My withdrawal so bad the last time that I had to add creatine back in just to function at work. Once I added it back in. Energy levels were back. I'm now tapering off it.

I looked this up on reddit and forums and loads of people get this same withdrawal? Do you notice this also?

When the average person says Creatine, they either mistakenly think that there's only one type of Creatine or they are referring to Creatine Monohydrate.

I think its important to distinguish that there are different types of creatine.

Creatine Monohydrate can cause bloating, fluid retention, and stomach issues in many people.

I cannot take Creatine Monohydrate because it makes me miserable from how bloated it makes me.

However, I can take Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate and there's no bloating or fluid retention.

This is where many people get confused - when people say there is not bloating or fluid retention with Creatine HCl or MCC, we aren't meaning that they don't cause intracellular or intramuscular fluid, which is part of how it works - we mean that it doesn't cause the abdominal/stomach bloating and fullness from it.

Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate deliver the good benefits without the negatives that some experience with monohydrate.

What you are describing experiencing isn't really withdrawal, because there is no physical addiction to creatine. It's your body going back to producing cellular energy the way that it did before you started supplementing with creatine. When you start supplementing with creatine, you are increasing your body's creatine reserves and then when you stop, you are letting them get depleted, especially in the muscles and brain. Some people notice this more than others, and the people that do seem to experience it much more from monohydrate than other forms.

No, I do not notice this myself - but I also don't take monohydrate. It's been so long since I took monohydrate that I can't remember if I did back then or not; if I did, I probably attributed it to how miserable I was from the bloating that monohydrate causes me.

My suggestion in your case would be to use either Creatine HCI or Magnesium Creatine Chelate, which is what I use myself.

I hope this helps.

 

[sns8778]

Whats the difference between peptistrong and peptiflex?

Do you mean Pepti-Plex?

PeptiStrong is an ingredient.

Pepti-Plex is a product that contains 6 branded ingredients, including PeptiStrong.

So, Pepti-Plex gives you the benefits of PeptiStrong, but because of the other ingredients and the way that PeptiStrong works with the other ingredients, it gives you a lot more benefits than you would see with just PeptiStrong solo.

 

[sllizz_____]

Do you mean Pepti-Plex?

PeptiStrong is an ingredient.

Pepti-Plex is a product that contains 6 branded ingredients, including PeptiStrong.

So, Pepti-Plex gives you the benefits of PeptiStrong, but because of the other ingredients and the way that PeptiStrong works with the other ingredients, it gives you a lot more benefits than you would see with just PeptiStrong solo.

Do you mean Pepti-Plex?

PeptiStrong is an ingredient.

Pepti-Plex is a product that contains 6 branded ingredients, including PeptiStrong.

So, Pepti-Plex gives you the benefits of PeptiStrong, but because of the other ingredients and the way that PeptiStrong works with the other ingredients, it gives you a lot more benefits than you would see with just PeptiStrong solo.

Yes sorry i meant peptiplex but do you mind going into detail on how it works?

 

[schizm]

Yes sorry i meant peptiplex but do you mind going into detail on how it works?

Doode, there's an entire dedicated thread for it to check out:

Pepti-Plex - Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder - Powered by AI Discovered Natural Anabolic Peptides - AnabolicMinds.com

Next Generation Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder Powered by A.I. Discovered Natural Anabolic Peptides Lean Muscle, Strength, Recovery, & Improved Body-Composition The Future of Natural Anabolic Supplementation Has Arrived. 2,400 mg. PeptiStrong™ 300 mg. VasoFlo+™ 50 mg. Apigenin (as...

anabolicminds.com

 

[sns8778]

Yes sorry i meant peptiplex but do you mind going into detail on how it works?

The write up on Pepti-Plex, and most of our products, is very detailed :

Pepti-Plex | Serious Nutrition Solutions

Next Generation Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder Powered by AI Discovered Natural Anabolic Peptides. Features PeptiStrong by Nuritas + Senactiv, Apigenin, & more.

seriousnutritionsolutions.com

There's also a thread on it that contains a lot of information and a lot of feedback:

Pepti-Plex - Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder - Powered by AI Discovered Natural Anabolic Peptides - AnabolicMinds.com

Next Generation Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder Powered by A.I. Discovered Natural Anabolic Peptides Lean Muscle, Strength, Recovery, & Improved Body-Composition The Future of Natural Anabolic Supplementation Has Arrived. 2,400 mg. PeptiStrong™ 300 mg. VasoFlo+™ 50 mg. Apigenin (as...

anabolicminds.com

Page 1 if you want to read it all; if you want the most recent feedback, you can skip to pages 6 or 7.

Here's one specific copy and paste of recent feedback, which would be post # 310 in the thread, and is feedback from @timmy8888

5 month update/ review. Alot of thoughts even more so than whats written but tried giving an in depth review.

Be going my 6th bottle and all I can say is this has been an amazing experience. For reference I'm sitting at about 206lbs right now not in the best shape of my life but the best I have felt in years even more so then when I was at my lightest of 180lbs (as well as feel the healthiest I have ever felt)

Going for the number one positive effect this supplement has brought to the table imo.

Injury recovery- 12/10 I know sounds too good to be true but hear me out; I have been on and off lifting since college and back about 11 years ago had a accident at work and in turn had bad sciatica and lower back pain and right shoulder that popped and felt unstable while doing dumbell chest press/ shoulder press. Back pain was so bad at times I had to have my brother help me off the floor if i decided to sit (which was idiotic thinking back to it), as well when i had my daughter i couldnt hold for a extended period of time even when she was only 8lbs. Just trying to buckle her in her car seat I would be in alot of pain for such a simple task and pain lingered for hours. I have been to chiropractors pt and working on my mobility on my own on and off through my journey. To this date I can say for certain I'm 99% pain free everything's feels great and have shown no signs of deterioration, I have felt like this for months but wanted to give it some more time before I posted my findings of having no pain.

Recovery (general)- 10/10 this is the hardest I have ever trained in my life (also the smartest) and recovery from workouts which include running lifting and plyometrics, I am going strong with little to no signs of fatigue. I made it goal going into last year to stay active up to a point of not burning myself out. I'm averaging 25k+ steps a day and doing cardio (120+heartrate) 5x a week. It's nothing against my inner circle and family but habits are not the best around me and not many people that I am close to enjoy lifting and general health to them is not the important, so I have to hold myself accountable and stay busy as much as I can or bad habits creep up quick. I love running something I never really cared for before but always loved lifting so for me its a hobby where I get to have fun and it's awesome to see all the progress along the way.

Pumps/muscle fullness- 8.5/10 combining this with superswole which i was taking before pepti; I definitely notice an uptick in pumps even hours after the gym. Superswole is hard to beat but after starting pepti plex I gained the slightest more muscle fullness which was more noticeable when training fasted.

Strength- 10/10 I was cutting when I started taking peptiplex, I managed to keep my strength all the way through to the end of my cut in November then transitioned into a bulk (total of 26 weeks cutting all together with 2 diet breaks in between). Fast forward to end of January I have been doing a mini cut to get ready for vacation. Been averaging 2.93lbs weightloss per week. No sign of fatigue and strength numbers ime the most impressive is hitting 225lbs front squats for sets is something I have not done ever. Pull ups have gotten up to 4 sets of 12-15 reps with relaxed pause at bottom (even at my lightest of 180lbs I was lucky to hit 10-12 for 3 sets).

I have my nutrition and lifestyle changes in order, while supplementing with pepti-plex it certainly has elevated many aspects of performance and how I feel in my daily life. Definitely without a doubt will be running this year round and can't recommend this enough to anyone trying to find something that is beneficial inside/outside the gym.

 

[bell1986]

When the average person says Creatine, they either mistakenly think that there's only one type of Creatine or they are referring to Creatine Monohydrate.

I think its important to distinguish that there are different types of creatine.

Creatine Monohydrate can cause bloating, fluid retention, and stomach issues in many people.

I cannot take Creatine Monohydrate because it makes me miserable from how bloated it makes me.

However, I can take Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate and there's no bloating or fluid retention.

This is where many people get confused - when people say there is not bloating or fluid retention with Creatine HCl or MCC, we aren't meaning that they don't cause intracellular or intramuscular fluid, which is part of how it works - we mean that it doesn't cause the abdominal/stomach bloating and fullness from it.

Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate deliver the good benefits without the negatives that some experience with monohydrate.

What you are describing experiencing isn't really withdrawal, because there is no physical addiction to creatine. It's your body going back to producing cellular energy the way that it did before you started supplementing with creatine. When you start supplementing with creatine, you are increasing your body's creatine reserves and then when you stop, you are letting them get depleted, especially in the muscles and brain. Some people notice this more than others, and the people that do seem to experience it much more from monohydrate than other forms.

No, I do not notice this myself - but I also don't take monohydrate. It's been so long since I took monohydrate that I can't remember if I did back then or not; if I did, I probably attributed it to how miserable I was from the bloating that monohydrate causes me.

My suggestion in your case would be to use either Creatine HCI or Magnesium Creatine Chelate, which is what I use myself.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply

I forgot to say but I only use creatine hcl. I use it in it's pure form and man that stuff ain't tasty when knocking it back lol. Battery acid comes to mind. Like yourself though. I can't use monohydrate. I bloat so badly. I remember doing the loading phase with monohydrate back in the day when I thought this was needed. I woke up and was like wow I'm beyond fluffy.

I don't get the bloat at all with creatine hcl. I only use 3g a day of hcl also.

Yeh I get that withdrawal effect very bad. I had it last week and the fatigue for me is very noticeable. My mood is very poorly also. I'm maybe just sensitive to the ATP system being depleted.

The night sweats are what's driving me crazy. I've tested the theory and every time I stop creatine the night sweats go away. When I start again they return. I might give the magnesium chelate creatine a try and see how I respond to this? I know they will function very differently in the body.

Thanks for taking the time to get back to use. Very much appreciated

 

[sns8778]

Thanks for the reply

I forgot to say but I only use creatine hcl. I use it in it's pure form and man that stuff ain't tasty when knocking it back lol. Battery acid comes to mind. Like yourself though. I can't use monohydrate. I bloat so badly. I remember doing the loading phase with monohydrate back in the day when I thought this was needed. I woke up and was like wow I'm beyond fluffy.

I don't get the bloat at all with creatine hcl. I only use 3g a day of hcl also.

Yeh I get that withdrawal effect very bad. I had it last week and the fatigue for me is very noticeable. My mood is very poorly also. I'm maybe just sensitive to the ATP system being depleted.

The night sweats are what's driving me crazy. I've tested the theory and every time I stop creatine the night sweats go away. When I start again they return. I might give the magnesium chelate creatine a try and see how I respond to this? I know they will function very differently in the body.

Thanks for taking the time to get back to use. Very much appreciated

No problem at all. I'm glad to help.

If I were you, I would try Magnesium Creatine Chelate next time in your situation.

I can't speak for anyone else's Creatine HCI besides our own, but you mentioned taste - I'll tell you that our flavored powders of it are fantastic though. There's a lot of great feedback on all the flavors on here - Blue Raspberry Popsicle, Pink Grapefruit, Lemon Lime, and Watermelon. The capsules are more convenient, but I usually find myself drinking the powder bc I like the taste so much.