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Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...

neoborn said:
HEY! you guys laugh but I now know what either A) Electro Shock Therapy B) Having an aneurism feels like :toofunny:

I am such a noob sometimes, but hey at least I didn't put DMSO / Penetrate on my Testes ...eh D? :run:

Much Love,

NEoborn
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my money says you're thinking about it!:ntome:
 
neoborn said:
... I am such a noob sometimes, but hey at least I didn't put DMSO / Penetrate on my Testes ...eh D? :run:
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Hey! I was young and impetuous, it seemed like the "right thing to do" at the time. :rant: :whiner: :D

I like your time machine Neo! lol
 
SwordBurn said:
Thx for the tips guys. (rep'd)

I forget...1ml drop = how much Formestane from Eform?
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just got 10x E-form bottles in the mail:lol: ..

I tried 2 bottles and guess what :wtf: no spraying possible..I think many users have this problem..and the best solution as mentioned before..

Just get an oral syringe (5ml).. fill this every day and enjoy:thumbsup: ..1ml=25mg .. you can use what works best for you ... about 80mg-200mg a day..

The spray is bull*hit and I think the heating and cleaning will b a daily process if you do not use a dropper or syringe instead

Good luck..:afro:
 
DR.D said:
What do you mean Riq? The pump doesn't work to generate a spray?
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Hi D.. how are you doing these days? Yes the pump does not work..I cleaned it with hot water but still same ..same..the oral syringe is very simple and easy to use whitout any stress:lol:

Are you ready for the 3-AD madness soon?..hope everything goes well with the new AX products:thumbsup:
 
You know those new salad spritzers may work better if you want to try another spray, I am sure they won't get so easily clogged....but to resolve just use a 1ml dropper or syinge :)

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
Riquee said:
Hi D.. how are you doing these days? Yes the pump does not work..I cleaned it with hot water but still same ..same..the oral syringe is very simple and easy to use whitout any stress:lol:

Are you ready for the 3-AD madness soon?..hope everything goes well with the new AX products:thumbsup:
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I am o-tay, Riquee! Thanks for asking and thanks for the support. :)

I do not know what the future holds for 3-AD. I only trust that all this resistance serves some meaningful purpose in the grand scheme of things.

Have you tried using a pump with a larger dip-tube? Maybe transferring the solution into one of those metered pumps you can buy at Wal-Greens? They have trigger style spray bottles that could handle the viscosity, if that's the issue.
 
DR.D said:
I am o-tay, Riquee! Thanks for asking and thanks for the support. :)

I do not know what the future holds for 3-AD. I only trust that all this resistance serves some meaningful purpose in the grand scheme of things.

Have you tried using a pump with a larger dip-tube? Maybe transferring the solution into one of those metered pumps you can buy at Wal-Greens? They have trigger style spray bottles that could handle the viscosity, if that's the issue.
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you are welcom. I am not going to bother with other pumps.. I have a few which for sure will work, but with the oral syringe it's much easier and ready for use anytime I need it..It takes 10 seconds to fill it up and it's ready for an accurate dose or 2 again..I find it this way more accurate dosing vs pump/spray ..
 
Riquee said:
you are welcom. I am not going to bother with other pumps.. I have a few which for sure will work, but with the oral syringe it's much easier and ready for use anytime I need it..It takes 10 seconds to fill it up and it's ready for an accurate dose or 2 again..I find it this way more accurate dosing vs pump/spray ..
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More accurate and more convenient to say the least. Spray bottles seem to always get the clogging issues. Pump bottles like penetrate are a little more immune to the process as their able to hold a little more viscous liquids..... still even when using the penetrate for a carrier I always use a dropper... it's just better period.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
More accurate and more convenient to say the least. Spray bottles seem to always get the clogging issues. Pump bottles like penetrate are a little more immune to the process as their able to hold a little more viscous liquids..... still even when using the penetrate for a carrier I always use a dropper... it's just better period.
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and that's the truth ..

:cheers:
 
I'm currently doing a cycle of Eform/Epistane. I'm going to do it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, repeating 3 times....

I've done this in the past with 1test/4AD and got great results, with little to no pct required. Figured I give it a shot.
 
Phil NJ said:
I'm currently doing a cycle of Eform/Epistane. I'm going to do it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, repeating 3 times....

I've done this in the past with 1test/4AD and got great results, with little to no post cycle therapy required. Figured I give it a shot.
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I would recommend taking your Liver supps on your off weeks, like Milk Thistle, then during the week take your NAC or SAMe

I would also get bloodwork done before and after to measure how it affects you.

Much LOve,

Neoborn
 
Phil NJ said:
I'm currently doing a cycle of Eform/Epistane. I'm going to do it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, repeating 3 times....

I've done this in the past with 1test/4AD and got great results, with little to no post cycle therapy required. Figured I give it a shot.
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I believe bigt had a very successfull run with epi/form. Search the reviews section and you should find his log.

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prld2gr8ns said:
I believe bigt had a very successfull run with epi/form. Search the reviews section and you should find his log.

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ANYTHING plus formestane will probably lead to a successful run :head: I usually suggest form + staples to newbies... JJC comes to mind recently and seems to have loved it.

In my personal opinion, I see epi + formestane as redundant unless you're really trying to zap away gyno or chest fat. Again IMO, I'd only use formestane with a dry compound if it were mildly anabolic to give it a boost like I did with Halo. Otherwise, it seems to be more suited for wet compounds as it will help to avoid the "soft" look, and possibly reduce risk of gyno.
 
neoborn said:
I thought Dr.D said in his post on IBE that Form + Epi would be an awesome combo?
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First of all, I'm in no way educated enough to question or contradict the good doc. I'd say some of the best cycle and post cycle therapy plans on the net are based on HIS ideas. My intent is NOT to challenge the stack, but rather to give my opinion on formestane. Also, BigT, and a ton of others who followed his lead, have had great success with epi+form, so what the heck do I know :fool2:

Here's my logic... you'll use formestane ON CYCLE in these scenarios (celc logic to follow so this isn't gospel by any means):
1) with a wet compound to reduce incidence of gyno and to keep gains more lean
2) the only reason to use form with a dry compound is if it's not very anabolic, like halo. The hyrdoxy test from form gives it a boost so to speak
3) used as an AI during a pulse
4) epi + form as a means for a "dual attack" so to speak on a pre existing gyno and/or chest fat issue

If I were to guess, I'd say that doc's initial INTENT was to address #3 or #4, although others are finding out that epi+form works great in a straight cycle anabolically.

Based on the above logic, epi is ALREADY dry. And it's plenty anabolic itself. So if #3 or #4 isn't the in the plan, then epi + form, in my limited opinion, is redundant.
 
We're on the same page Celc. I agree that Form+something 'wet' is a good stack too. It can attenuate the estrogenic sides of aromatizables (gyno, bloat, shutdown, etc.)

I like it with Epi because the results are just so clean with practically no shutdown. I can see how you may say it's redundant, but I see it more as "reinforcing" of just the effects I want. It's a contemporary preference because as a younger man, I went more for the wet stuff too. ;)
 
While I understand the explainations for using Formastane with some "wet stuff" I still prefer it stacked with Epistane. I have searched and prayed for a combination just like this. True because of my age I need to be ultra careful in what I do. In the Epi/Form combo I have found that absolutely rare stack that provides outstanding strength gains, good libido boost and no noticable sides, none, nada, zippo! This is the only body I get to live with, to lift with and to love with. Nothing does it better. In fact, I am enjoying the unexpected formastane/?epistane? echo, now well into my third week post cycle. I finished up my post cycle therapy and now am doing my old Powerfull/Cissus and Creatine/L Arginine/Beta-Alanine combos. What is mind blowing is that I continue to gain in strength IMHO mostly because of the Form echo effect. Today for example I crawled into the squat rack and did rack extensions to work on the last 40% of my BP. I swear to God, for the first time in my life I racked up 365 lbs and did 3 reps each with a 5 count hold. 365 and I have only 6 weeks til I turn 66! That is fricking unbelievable and I think what started with my Epi/Form stack is just continuing on. So go ahead and work out the best Form/Wet stacks but for this guy I have already found my manna from the supplement heavens.
 
So I heated my Penetrate and form together twice, and it seemed to dissolve perfect. A couple of hours later the liquid seemed to seperate, but I don't think it was the form that came out of the solution.

When I felt the solution, it does not feel gritty at all. As long as it isn't gritty and I shake the hell out of it before I apply I should be ok, right?

Also, I'm sure it was just placebo, but I had major alpha male syndrome about an hour and a half after my first application. Even if it was just my brain screwin' with me, it felt frickin' awesome.
 
illfoo said:
So I heated my Penetrate and form together twice, and it seemed to dissolve perfect. A couple of hours later the liquid seemed to seperate, but I don't think it was the form that came out of the solution.

When I felt the solution, it does not feel gritty at all. As long as it isn't gritty and I shake the hell out of it before I apply I should be ok, right?

Also, I'm sure it was just placebo, but I had major alpha male syndrome about an hour and a half after my first application. Even if it was just my brain screwin' with me, it felt frickin' awesome.
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Your fine man, the seperation is due to the lipophilic and hydrophilic properties of the carrier which cause a visible "liquid seperation". As for the alpha male thing... that's a pretty common report among a lot of form users.
 
Been using Eform for about a week and a half with Activate Xtreme. So far it has been an incredible stack. However, what has surprised me most is the sprayer is still working.

:thumbsup:
 
Hmm... I think I heated up my Penetrate too much and a lot of it evaporated; now I only have a little over 4 ounces with 5 grams of form mixed in. I wanted to do ~100mg 2x/day of form, which I believe equaled 5ml 2x/day if I mixed with the 8oz bottle of Penetrate.

So if I have ~5 grams of form in the now 4oz bottle of Pen., I should cut my dosage in half go with with 2.5 ml 2x/day to get a total of 200mg/day, right?

Damn, I'm confused now, I hope that math works out. I've never been good at that crap.

Anyways, is that too much form for only 4oz of Pen.? Should I possibly add some Isopropyl alcohol?
 
That's probably what it lost, the volatiles, QS with ethanol or IPA, the most anhydrous form you have (91% or greater). If all you have is 50-70% you can run it through a drying tube with some cooked Epsom salts first.
 
1.5 days into eform at 5 sprays after morning shower and 5 sprays at bed and already i am hardening and noticing my drive is up and this is all i am taking
 
conan1071 said:
1.5 days into eform at 5 sprays after morning shower and 5 sprays at bed and already i am hardening and noticing my drive is up and this is all i am taking
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I love how surprised everyone acts after their first day or 2 on e-form. It's as if everyone is used to a supplement being hyped, and they can't imagine that it's as good as everyone on this thread is saying :fool2:

Conan, I'm like you my man. I respond REALLY fast to e-form. Wait till you see what you feel like about a week or 2 into your trial :woohoo:
 
most supps dont really work that well on me, some do in mega doses. i used to take 10-15 of the ephedra version of ripped fule a day and still sleep easily at night

any hints to what i will experience in my 2nd week??

celc5 said:
I love how surprised everyone acts after their first day or 2 on e-form. It's as if everyone is used to a supplement being hyped, and they can't imagine that it's as good as everyone on this thread is saying :fool2:

Conan, I'm like you my man. I respond REALLY fast to e-form. Wait till you see what you feel like about a week or 2 into your trial :woohoo:
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For myself it was good the whole way through. The rush started to die down a bit but still felt it everytime. Strength gains and lower bodyfat / better definition are some of the rewards from Form, don't forget all that free test running around in your bloodstream. Combine this with heavy deadlifts on one day and squats on the other and muscle mass here we come! :thumbsup:

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
does badyfat %age of the individual effect the absorption of e-form (or any transdermal for that matter)?
 
DR.D said:
That's probably what it lost, the volatiles, QS with ethanol or IPA, the most anhydrous form you have (91% or greater). If all you have is 50-70% you can run it through a drying tube with some cooked Epsom salts first.
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Seriously though, what is he explaining to do here?:nutkick:
 
I think he's trying to explain how to get the powder out of the half evaporated carrier back in solution.
 
as of today, even had to skip a does, this is one my fav for sure. i am hard, got the alpha male mentality going and horny as hell. I'm lovin it

conan1071 said:
1.5 days into eform at 5 sprays after morning shower and 5 sprays at bed and already i am hardening and noticing my drive is up and this is all i am taking
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about 2 years ago i was spending a lot of money on supplements with only mediocre results. i saw this simple lotion with these great reviews, and it was only $15. i have been a big fan of td formestane ever since, it remains in the top 3 supplements i have taken. and nothing comes close cost wise!!!:cheers:
 
Form FTW. I am a new Form lover now 2 :D

All thanks sincerely go from me to Celc, BigT and Prld2G8ns, without them I wouldn't have caught on to this stuff and tried it as soon as I did!

Much Love to joo n joors,

Neoborn.
 
neoborn said:
Form FTW. I am a new Form lover now 2 :D

All thanks sincerely go from me to Celc, BigT and Prld2G8ns, without them I wouldn't have caught on to this stuff and tried it as soon as I did!

Much Love to joo n joors,

Neoborn.
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That's a lot of love neo, I was under the impression that form is suppose to make you aggressive and angry....... :think:



By the way, your welcome my friend.
 
neoborn said:
Form FTW. I am a new Form lover now 2 :D

All thanks sincerely go from me to Celc, BigT and Prld2G8ns, without them I wouldn't have caught on to this stuff and tried it as soon as I did!

Much Love to joo n joors,

Neoborn.
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i better order another bottle- im bout to blush.:toilet: :lol:
 
Riquee said:
Dr. D, what do you think of emu oil after the E-form..Emu oil has a great ability of penetration through the human skin..
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nothing like experimenting. i even tried adding yohimbine to absorbine junior as a spot reducer. worked just fine.:food:
 
Riquee said:
Dr. D, what do you think of emu oil after the E-form..Emu oil has a great ability of penetration through the human skin..
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Oh man, it might! I worked on a project one time involving an emu oil skin product and I was just so sick of the smell by the time it was over, I never would have reminded myself had you not mentioned it, but yes it would likely be an excellent choice. I have always liked the effect of adding 10% oleic acid to my formulas anyway, and that's likely the advantage in emu oil. OA seems to improve miscibility of other solvents and improves saturation of free alcohols (like 4-OH-AD) and diols for sure.
 
thebigt said:
nothing like experimenting. i even tried adding yohimbine to absorbine junior as a spot reducer. worked just fine.:food:
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:lol: I am going to experiment with the emu in a weeks..have very bad memories from yohimbine..does not suit me .

thx for the tip anyway
 
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