My freind has been on shippens protocol for 2 weeks doing hcg 200 sq ius a day, he was also taking 6 pills of DIM a day (do not ask me why) LOL no armidex, or other supplements other then multivitamins
Beginning blood work was
testosterone 330
shbg 22 10-50
e2 46 10-54
thyroid is optimal, adrenals optimal all ruled out
he is overly obesse, lipids are fine, everything else is in check
2 weeks later after protocol blood drawn after injection (shippen said it did not matter ) I would tend to challenge this statement, but I am not a dr
test 500 (241-827)
e2 78 (10-54)
inuslin 5 <17
hemo a1c 5.2 <6.0
He asked me what would be logical thing that would be done.
I suggested that he may
1. continue with hcg and add armidex (but I think this would be counter productive since hcg may be really cranking up the e2 due to him being so fat !!) in order to combat e2 one would need .5 mgs EOD to begin and adjuct from there.
2. cut HCG and goto injections may be add armidex after the 2-3 week if blood test verifiy it. Gels did not work on him they tried them already ..
His urine test showed elevated total E, e2, esterone and low e1, elevated testosterone levels, low dhea and low progesterone, and preg metabolites
any comments appreciated
Is it possible to have elevated esterone with out having elevated e2 This puzzles me how this can happen
Beginning blood work was
testosterone 330
shbg 22 10-50
e2 46 10-54
thyroid is optimal, adrenals optimal all ruled out
he is overly obesse, lipids are fine, everything else is in check
2 weeks later after protocol blood drawn after injection (shippen said it did not matter ) I would tend to challenge this statement, but I am not a dr
test 500 (241-827)
e2 78 (10-54)
inuslin 5 <17
hemo a1c 5.2 <6.0
He asked me what would be logical thing that would be done.
I suggested that he may
1. continue with hcg and add armidex (but I think this would be counter productive since hcg may be really cranking up the e2 due to him being so fat !!) in order to combat e2 one would need .5 mgs EOD to begin and adjuct from there.
2. cut HCG and goto injections may be add armidex after the 2-3 week if blood test verifiy it. Gels did not work on him they tried them already ..
His urine test showed elevated total E, e2, esterone and low e1, elevated testosterone levels, low dhea and low progesterone, and preg metabolites
any comments appreciated
Is it possible to have elevated esterone with out having elevated e2 This puzzles me how this can happen