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EasyEJL

EasyEJL

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I don't feel like posting somewhere else, but i'd like to find some more information about revolt. Particularly thinking about pulsing it, as if i'm making the jump to PHs I'd like to do something light on the liver and without needing a prescription or research chem PCT.
 
I know there is a kilo guy floating around here...
I'd also like to know more about Revolt. Sounds like a nice product but I'd really like some more specifics.
 
revolt is max LMG AKA x mass. ALRI and Generic Labz had it first. kilosports owner's daughter is a member here. i know there owner too. dont know much on trying revolt. it is underdosed. some claims are that it is like winnie i dont care for that statement by its nature it is wet. i recieved an email from Dr.D a while back on it i will see if i can get his permision to post it. also it is a progesterone non methyl.
 
I hope its not underdosed because I just ordered some.lol. I've used xmass and max lmg and both where great mass builders. If your worried about sides though you may not want to try them. Gyno is a large concern for some. Bigshmidt do you have any idea how underdosed it was? I'm just looking for a guidline to know if I need to order another bottle.
 
Easy if you are concerned with shut down revolt might not be for you as it shuts you down pretty hard. Although maybe pulsing will prevent it. I have never pulsed anything myslef and haven't been following the thread on it that closley.
 
you can do better than 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one based prohormones/anabolic steroids
on a bulk this wont do a lot for size, however you'll feel harder and maintain a certain level of leanness.

on a cut this will help maintain size.

you wont bloat, strength gains wont be that great (compared to emax/pplex etc) but you'll be shut down like a mofo after like 4 days.

Note: this product was desinged by ALRI as MAX LMG to be a non-meth product to stack with Emax LMG
 
EasyEJL said:
I don't feel like posting somewhere else, but i'd like to find some more information about revolt. Particularly thinking about pulsing it, as if i'm making the jump to PHs I'd like to do something light on the liver and without needing a prescription or research chem post cycle therapy.
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Ahem... were not board sponsors... ahem ahem....

Revolt has been discontinued. If you have it, you have some of the last of the supply.
 
EasyEJL said:
any non methyls that are not bigg "shutter downers"?
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Have you considered jungle warfare (6-dehydromethyltestosterone)? Seems to be quite liver friendly and pretty easy on the HPTA.

Nice, mild steroid that might be right up your alley.
 
Da Main Man said:
you can do better than 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one based prohormones/anabolic steroids
on a bulk this wont do a lot for size, however you'll feel harder and maintain a certain level of leanness.

on a cut this will help maintain size.

you wont bloat, strength gains wont be that great (compared to emax/pplex etc) but you'll be shut down like a mofo after like 4 days.

Note: this product was desinged by ALRI as MAX LMG to be a non-meth product to stack with Emax LMG
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Actually max lmg can bloat the sh@t out of some. I know it shouldn't since it isn't supposed to aromatize. Also when added to superdrol the gains in size and strength are almost 2 fold for me. I think it would be more popular but it is gyno in a bottle for some. My guess is its probably has the highest prog related sides of anything ever put out illegal or legall. 150mgs ed byitself was swelling me up fast but nips got itchy within a week.
 
V00D00 said:
Ahem... were not board sponsors... ahem ahem....

Revolt has been discontinued. If you have it, you have some of the last of the supply.
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Yeah but it still can be found at atleast one popular bodybuilding board I know of. By the way why was it disc? I found it to be the strongest non methyl ever. I can't wait to go trenadrol/revolt. Strength gains should be nuts.
 
quigs said:
Have you considered jungle warfare (6-dehydromethyltestosterone)? Seems to be quite liver friendly and pretty easy on the HPTA.

Nice, mild steroid that might be right up your alley.
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Jungle warefare is a great product. BUT it is NOT a steriod just to let you know .

john
 
yea, working got swimming tonight for my cardio, basically its the only night guenne dont work or have school this week so we are going swimming so i keep up on my cardio. how is ur stuff. lmao we are hijacking the thread
 
EasyEJL said:
I don't feel like posting somewhere else, but i'd like to find some more information about revolt. Particularly thinking about pulsing it, as if i'm making the jump to PHs I'd like to do something light on the liver and without needing a prescription or research chem post cycle therapy.
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Why do you think you won't need a SERM for post cycle therapy?

EDIT: Just remembered that you said you might pulse it...:ntome:
 
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john123131 said:
Jungle warefare is a great product. BUT it is NOT a steriod just to let you know .

john
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JW most certainly is a steroid. Confirmed by Fitnfirm and ALRI himself.

6-dehydromethyltestosterone to be specific.
 
john123131 said:
i think your confused....take a look at that thread again my friend
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I'm confused?

Wow, I thought that this was common knowledge. Have you checked the thread over at bb.com?

In a question to PA about which bottle contained pure 6-DMT:
Patrick Arnold said:
sorry.

yes, A all 6-DMT, and B mATD and 6
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ALRI's response to PA's post:
Author L. Rea said:
Correct PA. As most know we changed the formula of JW about a year plus ago. We sent PA a bottle of the older (and discontinued for sometime) and newer JW which he was kind enough to test. Why did we change it? We like the 4,6 analog better than the 1,4,6 (Matd).
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Author L. Rea said:
Hard call IMO as it is a dosage issue. Unlikely at suggested dosages unless there are pre-existing conditions...but not impossible. Any compound with a 6-position alteration has "some" anti-estrogenic activity...simply fact...it is the 6-position that creates the potential for this...the 4 position also will do such...again simply fact...all 4 and 6 positionally modified (natty and synthetic) steroid hormones have anti-E activity to some degree.

As Pa has pointed out the 17-a alteration does not make for the most powerful AI but it does make for far better oral delivery resulting in lower dosages. Our goal was to reduce estrogens not remove them as this results in poor growth potential.
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I don't feel like fishing out more but check here:

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It gets good around page 9. JW, confirmed to be a steroid with androgenic (and anti-estrogenic) activity via PA's test and ALRI's explaination.
 
Author L. Rea said:
As usual....amazing.

No matter what I say I am sure there will be a *****-fest by a few as usual because I actually work for a living and do not have time to hang out on forums all day doing the posting for drama to drive sales thing. Products either work or they do not. Debating on a board does not help but we do have reps to answer questions on them.

Hmmm, yet I have yet to meet any of you, including PA, who has yet to ask a single question or make a single negative accusation in person when I make full days of time to be available at any of the 20 plus shows/expos I have been at the booth for in the past 18 months. Why? Drama and too much free time I would assume.

But, we have been thanked by many of you in person for the results, the help, the products we make and offer though. (Thank you)

Lets get to the point here.

Gyno from ANY hormonal altering product is possible. (Read the warnings on the JW label: "Do not use this product if you have...any endocrine condition or other medical condition." HPTA problems, gyno etc are all endocrine conditions as I am sure all are aware here.

Is it likely JW will cause it? Not very likely at all but ANY alteration in hormonal ratios can trigger preexisting gyno to flare up. 5a analogs have long been said to not be able to do so, but a few will realize this problem especially when over dosed. Again hormonal alterations are just that.

Lying? About what? ADED as well as MATD are hidden anabolic steroids with Vida ratings? Get real! Even PA could not confirm the analog and he is the brightest on the boards with good equipment. Dutch mags have the answers? If this is so, then please tell me why JW users have about the same/normal TOTAL testosterone levels but there is about 2 times or better FREE testosterone? Yes, having 2 times or better FREE/ACTIVE testosterone can increase androgenic levels of course. So JW works as claimed. Wow, there is a shock.

*Total testosterone levels would show any additional anabolic steroids as well...like any analog of testosterone...ask the IOC lads, NFL, Washington Post,.PA, Bill Dr. D etc. You cannot add a testosterone analog to the body without resulting in increased total test results. According to what I have read claimed by a few here, those on JW should be well above the 2000na/dl range...yet they are not. Hmmmm.

Like any AI containing product JW supports natural testosterone production increases to some extent. The DVTHF supports an increase in free testosterone and resulting in the body metabolizing/using up total testosterone at a higher rate. This should result in a significant increase in estrogens as well due to aromatization...but since all of our testers had normal estrogen levels obviously their is some kind of AI in JW that works. ADED? Yup. Pretty basic physiology really.

Bro science and show you the proof? Show us we are wrong! (Please do not include those using PH's or coming off cycles) We prove it constantly and still the drama from other company owners and hidden reps keeps coming. Afraid to compete product to product? Obviously so. .

(From JW site copy)

ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol AKA 17alpha-methyl-androst-4,6-dien-17beta-ol-3-one) Many are aware of both the positive and negative physiological issues relating to the naturally occurring aromatase inhibitory ATD. Most of the benefits are the result of one of its physiological 17-OH metabolites. ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability.

Show us the androgen side efffects. Don't just talk about it so you can bash someone. We found none...but I am sure someone will over dose to that point eventually like they did with ATD.

Natural Products:

There are very few. If it is not an extract it is synthetic and not natural. Get use to it. Worse yet? DHEA, ATD, 11-oxo-testosterone, ADED, 3,6,17-Androstenetrione (4-etioallocholen-3,6, 17-trione) are all androgens and/or androgen metabolites. And all are synthetics. No one extracted 11-oxo-testosterone from catfish or ATD from cows obviously and all are considered banned by most sanctioning bodies. No alterations needed like an alkylation, they are synthetic and banned already. Also, not natural. Piss a few of you off? Still will not make most supplements natural. Just a reality many try to justify. Come on, lifting tons of weights and dieting to 3% body fat is not natural either but many do so without breaking ANY laws.

As to natual athletes NOT COMPETING in natural venues: The quest to avoid cheating is an admirable one and certainly not easy these days as governing bodies redefine and add items and products to lists. The lines blur between cheating and supplementing more so daily. Those that truely seek this honorably need to be comended highly. Not because they have made a choice contrarry to the unnaturals, but because they choose to play honestly by the rules that govern them. Those who are unnaturals in events that do not ban a compound are playing by the rules as well and still no easy task to persevere. If you are taking ANYTHING that has an affect upon hormonal levels it is not natural though as you altered it and likely the compound(s) are synthetic, not extracted.

ADED is no more an affective designer or anabolic steroid than 11-oxo-testosterone though both are shown in Vida as having an anabolic and androgenic value. Oh, ATD is shown to act as an anti-androgen in VERY high dosages. (Try it and see if you can hit those really high notes on songs)

ADED is marketed as an AI and does its job as such. 11-OXO-Testosterone could be sold as an anti-cortisol and does its job as such. ATD is marketed as a AI and does its job. Yet all three are synthetics (not natural...nature makes the base componds, but these are made synthetically due to cost effective and consumer affordability) and both "could be called" designer steroids. But none would have much so-called value as "designer steroids' and anabolic/androgenic affects unless dosed at totally unrealistic dosages. So is it a lie to call 11-oxo-testosterone an anti-cortisol supplement? Is it a lie to call ATD an AI? By what I have read here it would seem so. No one has proven it is not anabolic and androgenic but Vida says it is both and considered an androgen. Simple fact is that just because it has a rating does not make it

An interesting aspect (I certainly am not qualified to definitively decide...maybe Rick C would know what the DEA is thinking now?) is what is the legality of ANY hormonal compound related to testosterone as viewed by the DEA/FDA (that also means "any-prefix-testosterone" like 1-dehydro-testosterone etc)? According to the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 comment below that would suggest the possibility of none of the afore mentioned compounds being around long (if one is to assume that the law read as written is as intended) since we all know the FDA reads these boards daily.

The 108th Congress amended the Controlled Substances Act to include anabolic steroids and to add in information about steroids and steroid precursors. This amendment is sometimes called the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004.

The first thing this amendment did was insert a definition of anabolic steroids as follows: ?The term ?anabolic steroid? means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids and dehydroepiandrosterone).?

No doubt someone will post I did not answer anything and rant on for pages, but if ANYONE takes a few minutes to think it will be obvious you already had the obvious answers before a few took over and started the riot mentality. For those who do not grasp this, please do not use JW. We created it to give results as claimed.

Okay, I will put my soap box away and get some sleep. I have to work tomorrow/today. We/I will be at the Europa for anyone who has a question we/I can answer or help with. Be happy to do so. Hope to see PA and Bill there as well.

I suck at the posting thing. My bad and thanks for the patience while reading my tirade.

ALR
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Author L. Rea said:
According to what has been posted they found traces of D-Bol in the old formulary of JW, or at least claim to. I can see it possible in any ATD analog (finding boldenone related compounds) but unlikely. We did not find it back then and you can be sure that when the FDA bought bottles to test they would have let us know in a Balco Labs kind of way. Really glad we changed the formula sometime back. Even B,S. articles can cause a lot of drama and damage.
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Jstrong20 said:
Yeah but it still can be found at atleast one popular bodybuilding board I know of. By the way why was it disc? I found it to be the strongest non methyl ever. I can't wait to go trenadrol/revolt. Strength gains should be nuts.
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It wasnt selling.. so sad..
 
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