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It is a toughy to decide- ephedrine just gives me too much anxiety....
RPM vs EC
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It is a toughy to decide- ephedrine just gives me too much anxiety....
Rivet
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EC makes me aggressive in a bad way..
bioman
Well-known member
But together they are like butter. RPM seems to smooth out the E energy peak and keep it going longer. I only dose 2 RPM in the morning with 6-7mg of E and this lasts well into the afternoon. I only take one more dose of E without the RPM in the late afternoon because I don't want to be up too late.
Now, if I were reeeeally trying to burn off the fat come hell or high water, I would up the doses on everything. But even my ultra low dosing scheme is burning some fat off in just under a week of inconsistent use (took the weekend off).
Now, if I were reeeeally trying to burn off the fat come hell or high water, I would up the doses on everything. But even my ultra low dosing scheme is burning some fat off in just under a week of inconsistent use (took the weekend off).
metroba
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Is this safe? Also, what is the best time before w/o to take rpm?
rms80
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rms80
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Ouch- I used to live in Dallas- it gets pretty scorching down that way this time of year!!
Rodja
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I have lived here all of my life, so it is something that I am used to. I don't really like it, but there is no escaping it.
Rodja
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It is not as bad in central TX, but it was horrible when I lived in Houston. It was like doing cardio in a steam sauna.
ahs4n
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Hey,
I'm kind of a newb of the topic of ephedrine. I'm going to cut for 5 weeks starting August...but was wondering if ephedrine can allow one to lose more than 2 lbs of fat a week without muscle loss?
I've already cut once without any supplements at all except protein and was losing 2 lbs a week. The only thing is that I lost a good amount of muscle after cutting 20 lbs.
Let's say I use ephedrine, RPM, and yohimbe, and I ate a 45p/30c/25f diet with 500 minus maintenance (that would be ~2300 calories). What do you guys think I could expect? (I'm currently 197 at 16 bf, and aiming to be 215 at 16 before cutting with the help of x-factor and activate and a solid diet)
I'm kind of a newb of the topic of ephedrine. I'm going to cut for 5 weeks starting August...but was wondering if ephedrine can allow one to lose more than 2 lbs of fat a week without muscle loss?
I've already cut once without any supplements at all except protein and was losing 2 lbs a week. The only thing is that I lost a good amount of muscle after cutting 20 lbs.
Let's say I use ephedrine, RPM, and yohimbe, and I ate a 45p/30c/25f diet with 500 minus maintenance (that would be ~2300 calories). What do you guys think I could expect? (I'm currently 197 at 16 bf, and aiming to be 215 at 16 before cutting with the help of x-factor and activate and a solid diet)
rms80
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Yohimbe + ephedrine can be potentially dangerous, so stick w/ eph. + RPM, or Yohimbe (or Leviathon) + RPM- just want you to be careful- and yes, the RPM/E/x-factor/activate will help you gain lean mass...
PS I would up the calories to 500 OVER maintenance if you want to gain the lean mass back- it is what you would call a "clean bulk"
ahs4n
Member
Sorry last post wasn't so clear... I'm currently taking X-factor, e-bol, and activate and hoping to gain around 10-15 pounds of lean mass from that.
So best bet would be either ephedrine and rpm or Leviathon and rpm? I see your point since I'm never used E and ECY would probably overdo it for me.
So best bet would be either ephedrine and rpm or Leviathon and rpm? I see your point since I'm never used E and ECY would probably overdo it for me.
supersoldier
She thinks my traps'rrrr sexy!
I took Eph w/ caffeine, yohimbine-hcl for a looooonnnnng time. Never had a problem.Yohimbe + ephedrine can be potentially dangerous, so stick w/ eph. + RPM, or Yohimbe (or Leviathon) + RPM- just want you to be careful- and yes, the RPM/E/x-factor/activate will help you gain lean mass...
PS I would up the calories to 500 OVER maintenance if you want to gain the lean mass back- it is what you would call a "clean bulk"
I took Eph w/ caffeine, and yohimbe-bark tabs for maybe 2 weeks or so. That **** made me nutzo. Huge mood swings, and I don't think I slept more than 16 hours for those two weeks. :fool2:
marshbomb
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Yeah, I remember back in the day most of your fat burners had E, C and Y. The only effect I ever saw was lots of energy and fat loss.
rms80
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I like to err on the side of caution- there is a lot of potential for adverse/paradoxical reactions on ECY- same with E plus synephrine, and synephrine by itself- E is VERY safe by itself, and so is the Y by itself, and so is C by itself, and EC and CY are fine together, and synephrine I am seeing a few things that I am not really cool with (sounds like a friggin' Venn diagram)
I just want you guys to be safe
TheNameless
New member
So you guys are saying to take E with RPM, but with no C? Or could I do something like this...
Morning workout; RPM + E
3:00; EC
Morning workout; RPM + E
3:00; EC
thebigt
Legend
damn bio, how much ginko did you take?
rms80
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E w/ C is fine- and E w/ RPM is fine, but no E with yohimbe- gets a little confusing....
rms80
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redhawk76
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I like to err on the side of caution- there is a lot of potential for adverse/paradoxical reactions on ECY- same with E plus synephrine- E is VERY safe by itself, and so is the Y by itself, and so is C by itself, and EC and CY are fine together, and synephrine is fine by itself (sounds like a friggin' Venn diagram)
I just want you guys to be safe
what exactly can happen with E and synephrine, or could you link me to some literature?
Only reason I ask is b/c my mom takes a lipodrene very rarely when she needs extra energy, and I believe it contains both.
Vitruvian
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I've used both together in the past.... and have read multiple times that is supposed to be a bad idea to combine them. I think it came down to just overdosing on stims.... not a specific reaction between the 2. I'm not 100% positive of that however. I noticed nothing negative..... i'll also note synephrine and norsynephrine (octopamine) are virtually worthless IMHO.
rms80
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sure
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Mayo Clin Proc. 2006 Dec;81(12):1636; author reply 1636-7.
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Division of Cardiology, Tufts-New England Medical Center, Boston, MA, USA. [email protected]
The Food and Drug Administration has banned the sale of ephedrine-based weight-loss products because of their association with many cardiovascular adverse effects. Bitter orange is now being used as a stimulant in "ephedra-free" weight-loss supplements but was recently implicated in adverse cardiovascular sequelae. To our knowledge, this report describes the first case of variant angina associated with bitter orange in a dietary supplement.
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Ischemic colitis associated with use of a bitter orange-containing dietary weight-loss supplement.Sultan S, Spector J, Mitchell RM.
Department of Medicine, University of Florida Medical Center and Malcolm Randall Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Gainesville, Fla 32605, USA. [email protected]
Since the US Food and Drug Administration banned the use of dietary supplements containing ephedra in February 2004, numerous "ephedra-free" weight-loss products have appeared on the market. Many of these supplements contain compounds such as bitter orange that are similar in structure and action to ephedra. We describe a patient in whom ischemic colitis developed 1 week after initiation of a bitter orange-containing weight-loss supplement. The patient had no other predisposing factors, and discontinuation of the supplement led to immediate improvement and ultimate resolution of her symptoms. Both consumers and health care professionals should be aware of the potential harm that bitter orange-containing dietary supplements can cause and report such adverse events to the US Food and Drug Administration.
Mayo Clin Proc. 2005 Apr;80(4):541-5.Links
Ischemic stroke associated with use of an ephedra-free dietary supplement containing synephrine.Bouchard NC, Howland MA, Greller HA, Hoffman RS, Nelson LS.
NYC Poison Control Center, New York, NY, USA. [email protected]
In response to concerns regarding the safety of ephedra-containing dietary supplements, manufacturers have marketed "ephedra-free" products. Many of these contain synephrine, a sympathomimetic amine from the plant Citrus aurantium. Synephrine is structurally similar to ephedrine and has vasoconstrictor properties. We describe a 38-year-old patient with ischemic stroke associated with an ephedra-free dietary supplement containing synephrine and caffeine. The patient presented with memory loss and unsteady gait after taking 1 or 2 capsules per day of a dietary supplement (Stacker 2 Ephedra-Free) for 1 week. He had no notable medical history or major atherosclerotic risk factors and took no other medications. Physical examination showed a mildly ataxic gait and substantial Impairment of both concentration and memory. Computed tomography and magnetic resonance Imaging of the brain showed subacute infarctions in the left thalamus and left cerebellum in the distribution of the vertebrobasilar circulation. Other causes of ischemic stroke were evaluated, and findings were unremarkable; a vasospastic origin was considered most likely. The patient was discharged with nearly complete resolution of symptoms. Synephrine, a sympathomimetic amine related to ephedrine, may be associated with Ischemic stroke. Consumers and clinicians need to be Informed about the potential risks of ephedra-free products
Mayo Clin Proc. 2005 Apr;80(4):541-5.Links
Ischemic stroke associated with use of an ephedra-free dietary supplement containing synephrine.Bouchard NC, Howland MA, Greller HA, Hoffman RS, Nelson LS.
NYC Poison Control Center, New York, NY, USA. [email protected]
In response to concerns regarding the safety of ephedra-containing dietary supplements, manufacturers have marketed "ephedra-free" products. Many of these contain synephrine, a sympathomimetic amine from the plant Citrus aurantium. Synephrine is structurally similar to ephedrine and has vasoconstrictor properties. We describe a 38-year-old patient with ischemic stroke associated with an ephedra-free dietary supplement containing synephrine and caffeine. The patient presented with memory loss and unsteady gait after taking 1 or 2 capsules per day of a dietary supplement (Stacker 2 Ephedra-Free) for 1 week. He had no notable medical history or major atherosclerotic risk factors and took no other medications. Physical examination showed a mildly ataxic gait and substantial Impairment of both concentration and memory. Computed tomography and magnetic resonance Imaging of the brain showed subacute infarctions in the left thalamus and left cerebellum in the distribution of the vertebrobasilar circulation. Other causes of ischemic stroke were evaluated, and findings were unremarkable; a vasospastic origin was considered most likely. The patient was discharged with nearly complete resolution of symptoms. Synephrine, a sympathomimetic amine related to ephedrine, may be associated with Ischemic stroke. Consumers and clinicians need to be Informed about the potential risks of ephedra-free products
rms80
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redhawk76
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Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it
rms80
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No problem- I know a lot of people (including me) have used syn. w/o any adverse effects- BUT there have been quite a few incidences of problems w/ it...
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bioman
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I stopped using the E when I got the sfRPM beta, but all in all it's a pretty nice ride if you start out slow on the E. IMO, the RPM extends the half life of the E a bit. Unfortunately, I did not get the opportunity to do any serious cardio on the stack, but I'm guessing it's killer. Should be GREAT for fat loss and muscle retention.
