anabolicrhino
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Good stuff Dimitry !!!
Sadly, the illusion we call "the world" was created by separation anxiety and is powered by fear!
Freedom is a choice. We can all choose to ignore fear and its counterparts anger and hatred!
Peace in the Middle East
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Good stuff Dimitry !!!
Sadly, the illusion we call "the world" was created by separation anxiety and is powered by fear!
Freedom is a choice. We can all choose to ignore fear and its counterparts anger and hatred!
DR.D
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Are you Sunni Nas, or some other sect? Just wondering. I think you are still down playing the 6'th pillar of your faith, it's called Jihad. Any man that dies fighting for Allah receives booty if he lives and automatic Paradise if he dies. Muhammad himself practiced Jihad in a literal way! Islam grew big by the sword. It makes sense. When Muhammad preached peace and tolerance, he gained very few converts. Only later when his successors turned to the sword did Islam get big, sweeping Africa and Europe. I just don't think it's God's will to kill a man because he does not believe in your religion. Why did He give us free will then? If you wanna kill a man, do it because his behavior is immoral and he practices violence. You can not hold yourself blameless if you use the same methods of violence! You have then become the same as your enemy (Muslim on Muslim violence you talked about).
As far as different versions of the Bible, you don't wanna go there my man! I can talk able the Qur'an doctrine of abrogation for a loooong time and pick it to pieces. That's crazy to make that argument when Muhammad was constantly making excuses and changing his mind every time he made a bad political move. Christ never did that. The Bible remains the same and God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. Why do you refuse to consider my arguments and answer my questions? If you are not pushing Islam, why can't you at least acknowledge the places where it doesn't add up?
Iron Warrior
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Dr. D is it also true that Muhammad had sexual relationships with teenagers or was my friend jerking my chain ?
Naseem
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1st i feel sume hate D am i u r enemy now! the fact that koran didnt change since 1500 years only one version is just fact that ll nevr change cuz gos said it and many tried to corrupt it ! and yes many sects in islam juss as christianity and judaism guesss what muhammed peace be upon him said it that the muslims ll divide in many sects so keep it my teh way i showed and u wont be lost"
2 nd to answer u r question i am not part of any sect i try to follow islam as in his purrest form as it was in time of muhammed peace be upon him so i follow kran and the authentic prophetic with teh understood of prophets compagnions since they got their relgion directly from teh prophet!
3rd D in islam and its well known therie no such 6th pillar only 5 pillars and it well known pls D u teh creator of 3ad u should know that
4 muhamed peace be upon him never changed his mind " could pls proov me that" it was juss evolution like he said" i did say dont vsis cemeteires but now visit them it reminds us the death"
because at 1st the arabs where into idolatry then accepted islam so montheism was new to them thats y he said dont visit cemetries they were too fresh they would idolate sum graves of ancients!
5_ jihad exist in islam wich as we talked already bout alot of part ad biggest is to fight u r inner enemies wich the evil temptation if u can succeed at that u wont be able to move to other parts
and teh jihad u talkin bout i guess it s fightin one sure it s part of islam but only as slef defence like u attacked by sum army they came kill u rape u r wife ..ect imagine that happens in usa what would u do sur u ll fight like u faught the british !
u wrong bout muhamed peace be upon him at the begging for teh 1st 13 years he was juss calle for teh monotheism he got stones ppl did spit on him...ect ppl stille converst untile he moves from meccato wher ppl acceptin him that teh quraish tribe wanted attak meddina kil him and that was teh 1st jihad! and islam didn spread by sword che indonisia biggets muslim country hey accepted islam through commercial dealing !
in the other case like ottomans wich is liek 1000 years after muhammed time peace be upon him tehy did mistakes s
Naseem
Member
D its really funny teh way u think about islam it reminds me teh babylonian rabbis talmud " not teh torah" where sum rabbis state that the no jews goyimes r animales in picture of human so that they r here to serv the jews and there is no bad if u kill them crazy !
IF U THIK I TRY PUSH ISLAM THATS NOT TRUE I BELIVE THAT GO GUIDE PPL ! NOT PPL IF U GUYS R BOTHERD BY WHAT I AM TYPING ABOUT ISLAM WELL JUSS TELL ME AND ILL STOP since i am jusst expressin my self about what i believ in and why!
IF U THIK I TRY PUSH ISLAM THATS NOT TRUE I BELIVE THAT GO GUIDE PPL ! NOT PPL IF U GUYS R BOTHERD BY WHAT I AM TYPING ABOUT ISLAM WELL JUSS TELL ME AND ILL STOP since i am jusst expressin my self about what i believ in and why!
Naseem
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Why did Islaam spread by the sword if it were indeed a Religion of Truth, and Christianity didn't?
About Islam:
Islaam is not a religion of arms and swords! When Allaah Almighty revealed the Noble Qur'ân to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and Muhammad became the Messenger of GOD Almighty, Muhammad had to spread Islaam to 365 Pagan Arab Tribes. These tribes showed so much hostility toward the Muslims and Islaam, and have imposed so many battles against the Muslims.
Later, when Islaam was the religion of what we call today Saudi Arabia, and the 365 Pagan Arab tribes mostly converted to Islaam, the Muslims had to yet face another type of challenge.
The Nuclear Soviet Union and the United States of America of our days were the Great Empires of the Christian Romans and the Pagan Persians. If you know geography and history well enough, then you would see that the Muslims were trapped between those two big Super Powers.
Hostility and Battles from those two Empires were imposed upon the Muslims. For instance, when our Prophet peace be upon him sent his messenger to "Kisrah", the Emperor of Persia, introducing Islaam to him, Kisrah ordered for the Muslims' Messenger to be executed!
Back then, like today, this was considered a coward act. It was the Persians who showed the hostility toward the Muslims and declared the many battles against Islaam.
The Christian Romans weren't any better. For instance, in one of their many battles against the Muslims is when they saw the threat to their religion in the Middle East, the King "Herucl", sent out an army of 100,000 men and ordered them to go to "Madina" in what we call today Saudi Arabia to destroy Islaam once and for all.
The Muslims were not stable yet at that time, and they only sent out an army of 3,000 men at that time to drive the Christian Romans away from Madina. The battle was named "The battle of Mo'ta" and it took place in Mo'ta, Jordan today.
The Muslims' plan was to meet the Christian Romans far away from Madina, and to have them stray away from Madina. The army of 3,000 men was successful enough to fight the Christian Romans for few days and then to pull away from the battle and headed South of Jordan. The Romans strayed away from Madina and the small army of the Muslims was able to run away through the mountains. More than half of the 3,000 Muslims however were killed in this operation.
The point is that Islaam didn't spread by sword with much choice. The wars were imposed upon the Muslims. The Muslims didn't ask for those wars.
About Islam:
Islaam is not a religion of arms and swords! When Allaah Almighty revealed the Noble Qur'ân to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and Muhammad became the Messenger of GOD Almighty, Muhammad had to spread Islaam to 365 Pagan Arab Tribes. These tribes showed so much hostility toward the Muslims and Islaam, and have imposed so many battles against the Muslims.
Later, when Islaam was the religion of what we call today Saudi Arabia, and the 365 Pagan Arab tribes mostly converted to Islaam, the Muslims had to yet face another type of challenge.
The Nuclear Soviet Union and the United States of America of our days were the Great Empires of the Christian Romans and the Pagan Persians. If you know geography and history well enough, then you would see that the Muslims were trapped between those two big Super Powers.
Hostility and Battles from those two Empires were imposed upon the Muslims. For instance, when our Prophet peace be upon him sent his messenger to "Kisrah", the Emperor of Persia, introducing Islaam to him, Kisrah ordered for the Muslims' Messenger to be executed!
Back then, like today, this was considered a coward act. It was the Persians who showed the hostility toward the Muslims and declared the many battles against Islaam.
The Christian Romans weren't any better. For instance, in one of their many battles against the Muslims is when they saw the threat to their religion in the Middle East, the King "Herucl", sent out an army of 100,000 men and ordered them to go to "Madina" in what we call today Saudi Arabia to destroy Islaam once and for all.
The Muslims were not stable yet at that time, and they only sent out an army of 3,000 men at that time to drive the Christian Romans away from Madina. The battle was named "The battle of Mo'ta" and it took place in Mo'ta, Jordan today.
The Muslims' plan was to meet the Christian Romans far away from Madina, and to have them stray away from Madina. The army of 3,000 men was successful enough to fight the Christian Romans for few days and then to pull away from the battle and headed South of Jordan. The Romans strayed away from Madina and the small army of the Muslims was able to run away through the mountains. More than half of the 3,000 Muslims however were killed in this operation.
The point is that Islaam didn't spread by sword with much choice. The wars were imposed upon the Muslims. The Muslims didn't ask for those wars.
Naseem
Member
About Christianity:
Christians love to think that their religion is all about peace and love. This is true for many parts of the Bible, but is SOUNDLY FALSE in many other parts!
Let us examine the Bible:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:43-44)"
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:35)"
It is quite clear from the above Verses that Jesus peace be upon him commands his followers to love their enemies and to give them without expecting anything in return. This is all wonderful and I appreciate that Christians bring such Verses up to prove their points about the Bible being a Book of Love and Peace. However, let us look at the other side of the Bible and see if this claim is really true for 100% of the Bible's NT: [TOP]
Jesus contradicted his own commands!
Above, we saw Jesus commanding his followers to be infinitely patient with their enemies and to help them without expecting anything good in return from them. Yet below, we see Jesus losing his temper and killing his enemies while he was MORE POWERFUL THAN THEM!
If he were in a bad situation where in order to survive he had to kill some of his enemies to enable him to run away or something, then this would be a completely different issue. But below, you will see that Jesus had the full power and his enemies were the WEAK!
"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:26-28)"
Luke 19:26-28 is an obvious contradiction to what Jesus taught from Love toward the enemies. [TOP]
Other non-peaceful commands by Jesus in the Bible:
In the NT, we read about Jesus commanding his followers to buy swords "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"
We also read about Jesus bringing corruption and destruction to earth rather than peace "Do not suppose that I [Jesus] have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:34)"
Jesus hitting others with a whip, not that it makes him bad, but certainly takes his "perfection" away "So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, 'Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!.' (From the NIV Bible, John 2:15)"
Jesus not respecting the life of the innocent animals, which again takes away his "perfection" from him "He [Jesus] said to them, 'Go!' so they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 8:32)"
Jesus taught his followers to hate! "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters- yes, even his own life- he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)"
Jesus said that whoever calls somebody a "fool" shall be in danger of hell fire (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22), yet he called people "fools" himself (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:17).
So can I now claim that since Jesus took up arms, taught his followers to kill their enemies, buy swords and use them, and hate their parents and to call others fools as he did it himself that Christianity is a false religion?
Quite honestly, I wouldn't be shallow enough to do that. My refusal of Christianity's Trinity and belief of the Bible's historical corruptions comes from a much bigger reasoning than this
Christians love to think that their religion is all about peace and love. This is true for many parts of the Bible, but is SOUNDLY FALSE in many other parts!
Let us examine the Bible:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:43-44)"
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:35)"
It is quite clear from the above Verses that Jesus peace be upon him commands his followers to love their enemies and to give them without expecting anything in return. This is all wonderful and I appreciate that Christians bring such Verses up to prove their points about the Bible being a Book of Love and Peace. However, let us look at the other side of the Bible and see if this claim is really true for 100% of the Bible's NT: [TOP]
Jesus contradicted his own commands!
Above, we saw Jesus commanding his followers to be infinitely patient with their enemies and to help them without expecting anything good in return from them. Yet below, we see Jesus losing his temper and killing his enemies while he was MORE POWERFUL THAN THEM!
If he were in a bad situation where in order to survive he had to kill some of his enemies to enable him to run away or something, then this would be a completely different issue. But below, you will see that Jesus had the full power and his enemies were the WEAK!
"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:26-28)"
Luke 19:26-28 is an obvious contradiction to what Jesus taught from Love toward the enemies. [TOP]
Other non-peaceful commands by Jesus in the Bible:
In the NT, we read about Jesus commanding his followers to buy swords "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"
We also read about Jesus bringing corruption and destruction to earth rather than peace "Do not suppose that I [Jesus] have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:34)"
Jesus hitting others with a whip, not that it makes him bad, but certainly takes his "perfection" away "So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, 'Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!.' (From the NIV Bible, John 2:15)"
Jesus not respecting the life of the innocent animals, which again takes away his "perfection" from him "He [Jesus] said to them, 'Go!' so they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 8:32)"
Jesus taught his followers to hate! "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters- yes, even his own life- he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)"
Jesus said that whoever calls somebody a "fool" shall be in danger of hell fire (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22), yet he called people "fools" himself (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:17).
So can I now claim that since Jesus took up arms, taught his followers to kill their enemies, buy swords and use them, and hate their parents and to call others fools as he did it himself that Christianity is a false religion?
Quite honestly, I wouldn't be shallow enough to do that. My refusal of Christianity's Trinity and belief of the Bible's historical corruptions comes from a much bigger reasoning than this
DR.D
Well-known member
Yeah, he was boning Aisha at the age of 9. Sick ****er. He had many other wives too, some of the others as young as 12.
Naseem
Member
D u didnt answer me at all i gaev even proof from the bibleS and now u even disrepest and insultin the prophet u think jesus want that u think jesus liked vulgarity and bed words i dont think so !
HE did ask abu bakr his 1st compagnion to marry his daughter when she was 9 but he did marry her at teh age 14 taht was tehuses tehre it wasnt shoking that time " at 14 years i hear of lot of girls in teh usa had babys at taht age" and his first wife khadiga was liek 40 years he had 9 wives nuth as 12 years on of his wife was christian maria! and otehr wa sa jew
and mor ancient david peace eb upon him had 99 wives!
" D WHERE IS THE LOVE U WERE TALKIN ABOUT IT IT S ALL TURNIN INTO HATE NOW I AINT HATER I WONT EVER INSULT JESUS OR ANY PROPHETS"
Iron Warrior
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:fool2: :jaw: that's insane. I thought he was kidding but he was pretty serious about it when he told me. That isn't normal, I can see if the woman is in her 20's and you're much older because she's an adult at that point. Going for pre-teens is criminal IMO
Naseem
Member
she was 14 years whe he did marry her ! sum r grown at that age ad mature teh uses it was middle age those time arabs use to burry tehre daughters alive!
DR.D
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No Sir, I do not hate you, but I don't like you playing sunny side up either. You know better that what you are saying. You do not seek truth, only to defend your tainted creed. You missed the whole point of God in that case. No matter what you choose to believe, the Truth is all that counts in the end and ignoring the discrepancies now will have eternal consequences later. Many cults do this too that pretend to be Christian (LDS, JW, etc..)
Also, your Bible critique makes two mistakes. When you take things out of context you simply have a pretext at best. When you study the Bible, you must consider who is saying what and who they are speaking to so you don't take it out of context! How shall you criticize God? His thoughts are higher than ours and His way are not our ways. Yes, he got upset in the temple when He saw people prostitutionalizing His fathers house. I can understand that. He said He came to bring a sword, not peace. I can understand that too, it had to be that way. If the devil would just give up it would not take a sword, but satan will fight to the end and a double edged sword from the mouth of Christ will finally bring His down. He also said if you love this world you hate Him, for we are not of this world and this is not our eternal home. I will not second guess God, I know He has revealed Himself and His insights to me and saved me from hell itself, nobody else even did that for me, so I put my trust in Him. The Bible says all who trust in Him will not be disappointed.
I will not argue religion with you, but you are basically getting it twisted. I am not here to fence with you though. You have been presented with the Truth and refused to consider it. That's your choice and I do not wish to debate the details any further but I know what Islam really is and it's not as you say, and you know it too. A righteous man could admit his faults, but a fool despises correction. Maybe you should pray Allah alleviate the pride in your heart before you try to tell these people any more lies about Christ or Muhammad?
DR.D
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I tell you what bro, if ANY man touched one of my kids... well, I'm gonna handle things Texas style. Hey, you play that game you get what you get. I am not Christ, I am just a man! Sickos get what they get. God forgive me.
Naseem
Member
listen D now u sayin i am lier and i play game ! ok thank u but its not a fact u sayin i aint searshin teh truth ! ok u can read my heart now i wa stryin prove whta i beleiv in ! now if u can conce me sure i am open i ll switsh relegion fo sure but sorry i am not conviced by u as u not by me ! i wnat to give the real BIBLE that jesus came with teh only one unique version cuz i aint takin words from paul or johon they even didnt meet jesus in person? so i am not conviced especially when u c even teh big diffrence of meaning from teh latin to english ! in bible unlike u i cant judge u and tellin the truth it s same kroan "u take verses from the context" but i dont blame sice all infromation u taki abou islam is from sume zionist and ppl who claim christian and usin satanic symbols may i waoud think like u if i wa sin u r place but ANY WAY U CNAT TAKE MY LOVE FOR JESUS
I GUESS TEH COCLUSION IS C U IN J DAY D AND JESUS LL SAY TEH TRUTH ! till tehn we shoul pray god to save us from teh antichrist in his temptations since it ll be teh big test ever!
Naseem
Member
u knwo islam at wat it is u should be like enlightine by sumwhat u r above a genius u can understand teh true meaning of islam without knowing the arabic laguage tat it came into really tahts crazy even sum reall arabic tongues didnt understand
i didnt insult god never ! god never send bibles but juss oen bible where is " sum evil luciferian did corrupt it "
i aint havin prive i always fight t else it makes u blind !
i didnt insult god never ! god never send bibles but juss oen bible where is " sum evil luciferian did corrupt it "
i aint havin prive i always fight t else it makes u blind !
DR.D
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We are in agreement on pride at least! Pride is the quickest way to be enslaved and deceived. I pray for strength, wisdom and humility every day. I never cursed you either Nas. Actually, look a few posts back where I prayed for you are offered you blessing on your quest for truth. I do not insult you, but you think Jesus was a prophet and I think He is Messiah. We have a fundamental difference in ideology, that's all.
Naseem
Member
D u called me a LIAR and its isultin ! alot as i away fight sayin lies
! u said islam had 6th pillar wich isworng i didnt call u liar ! cuz i respect u ; and i did thank for u r pray i told u it did war my heart ! AND I BELIEV CHRIST IS MESSIAH TOO god in koran : calls him the messiah jesus the messanger of god son of mary " teh virgin"
unlike u i try to saersh about christianty read bible..ect befor i say sumthing about it u talkin bout islam with no searsh not even try read sum verse koran if u did u wont evr say that islam had 6 pillar !
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TELL ME ABOUT THE MEANING OF MESSAYAH THE ROOT OF TEH WORD!
ps. U FREE TO THINK WHATEVER U WANT ABOUT ISLAM I JUSS TRIED TO EXPOSE THE REAL ISLAM ! up to u take it or leave the definition i gave but u cant force me to accept teh false definfition u gave about islam!
DR.D
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If you are going to keep this up, then why don't you give references in the qur'an so I can verify what you tell me? Also doesn't qur'an teach that humanity is good by nature, not sinful? Also, where in qur'an is Jesus called Messiah? Also, qur'an says Jesus did not rise from the dead, no? Tell me something else, how does somebody achieve salvasion in Islam? Is it by the grace of and faith in Messiah, or is it by their own works?
Naseem
Member
in quran there is a a whole surah called mariam " mary" surah i am gonna chek for translation D!
NO never islam teach humanity is sinful always tempted to the bad
and evil ways but the men always have inner felling who tells him it s bad bu he ll still doit most of the case check what happend with ADAM!
salvation is by the grace and faith ine teh one and unique god!
not by the own work
u gota know the worrd messaiah is from massih thats semetic language wich mean teh one who purified like teh one who did ablution
I STRONGLY ADVICE TO DOWNLOAD THE SEMINERY OF DR SHOROSH VS DR DEEDAT they specialist like deedat studied all versions of teh bible knows like 7 languge hebrw greel latin...ect
Naseem
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the verse of th koran wher allah aka god call jesus as teh messaiah u can verfy again
"Behold! The Angels said: O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, one of the company of those nearest to God. He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and his manhood, and he is among the righteous ones. She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: so (it will be). God createth what He will. If he decreeth a thing, He hath only to say "Be!" and it is. And He will teach him the Scripture and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and will make him a messenger unto the children of Israel, (saying): Behold! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, I fashion for you from clay the likeness of a bird, by God's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by God's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Behold! Herein verily is a portent for you, if ye would believe. And (I come) confirming that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to God and obey me, God is my Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path." koran(3:45-51)
"Behold! The Angels said: O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, one of the company of those nearest to God. He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and his manhood, and he is among the righteous ones. She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: so (it will be). God createth what He will. If he decreeth a thing, He hath only to say "Be!" and it is. And He will teach him the Scripture and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and will make him a messenger unto the children of Israel, (saying): Behold! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, I fashion for you from clay the likeness of a bird, by God's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by God's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Behold! Herein verily is a portent for you, if ye would believe. And (I come) confirming that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to God and obey me, God is my Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path." koran(3:45-51)
Naseem
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The Birth of Jesus
Jesus was the blessed Prophet of God who was sent to return the people of Israel to the true worship of God. He was an apostle (messenger) of God, His servant and Prophet, to be held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter. He was miraculously born of the virgin Mary (Peace be upon her).
The Qur'an states that God chose Mary, purified her and raised her above all other women of the world (3:42,43). The Angels brought her the glad tidings of the birth of Jesus
Jesus was the blessed Prophet of God who was sent to return the people of Israel to the true worship of God. He was an apostle (messenger) of God, His servant and Prophet, to be held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter. He was miraculously born of the virgin Mary (Peace be upon her).
The Qur'an states that God chose Mary, purified her and raised her above all other women of the world (3:42,43). The Angels brought her the glad tidings of the birth of Jesus
Naseem
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The Mission of Jesus
The Qur'an says that God sent Muhammad, the Prophet, with evident signs and miracles to set mankind on the right path. Jesus was similarly one of the messengers or Prophets of God. This is mentioned at four places in the Qur'an. At one point it declares:
"And we caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him, and We bestowed on him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the torah--a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the gospel judge by that which God hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which God hath revealed, such are evil-livers." (5:49-50)
It should be mentioned here that while Muslims believe that Jesus was given God's "Good News," they do not recognize the present "Four Gospels" as the utterances of Jesus. Even the Church agrees that the "Four gospels" were written by four different men, but they maintain that they were divinely inspired. This idea is rejected by Muslims. It can be argued that if the four writers were divinely inspired, then why are there so many serious discrepancies and omissions in their individual accounts of the life of Jesus? Moreover, the "Four Gospels" were written some 35 to 65 years after the ministry of Jesus, and represent merely a fraction of the so-called "Gospels" written at that time, the others being rejected by the Church.
Another of Jesus' missions was to tell people about the coming of a final Prophet after him.
"And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: O children of Israel! Behold! I am the messenger of God unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One (translation of the Arabic Ahmad, one of the Prophet Muhammad's names). But when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic." (61:6)
The New Testament also speaks of the coming of a "Comforter" after the ministry of Jesus. The church interprets the promised "Comforter" as the Holy Spirit, but this view cannot be successfully maintained when the word is considered in its origional context along with the meaning given by the different sects of Christianndom. The Muslims, therefore, believe that this term "Comforter" of necessity refers to Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)! (See Qur'an 21:107, where Muhammad is called a "Mercy to all creatures.")
The Qur'an says that God sent Muhammad, the Prophet, with evident signs and miracles to set mankind on the right path. Jesus was similarly one of the messengers or Prophets of God. This is mentioned at four places in the Qur'an. At one point it declares:
"And we caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him, and We bestowed on him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the torah--a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the gospel judge by that which God hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which God hath revealed, such are evil-livers." (5:49-50)
It should be mentioned here that while Muslims believe that Jesus was given God's "Good News," they do not recognize the present "Four Gospels" as the utterances of Jesus. Even the Church agrees that the "Four gospels" were written by four different men, but they maintain that they were divinely inspired. This idea is rejected by Muslims. It can be argued that if the four writers were divinely inspired, then why are there so many serious discrepancies and omissions in their individual accounts of the life of Jesus? Moreover, the "Four Gospels" were written some 35 to 65 years after the ministry of Jesus, and represent merely a fraction of the so-called "Gospels" written at that time, the others being rejected by the Church.
Another of Jesus' missions was to tell people about the coming of a final Prophet after him.
"And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: O children of Israel! Behold! I am the messenger of God unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One (translation of the Arabic Ahmad, one of the Prophet Muhammad's names). But when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic." (61:6)
The New Testament also speaks of the coming of a "Comforter" after the ministry of Jesus. The church interprets the promised "Comforter" as the Holy Spirit, but this view cannot be successfully maintained when the word is considered in its origional context along with the meaning given by the different sects of Christianndom. The Muslims, therefore, believe that this term "Comforter" of necessity refers to Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)! (See Qur'an 21:107, where Muhammad is called a "Mercy to all creatures.")
Naseem
Member
The Miracles of Jesus
As mentioned earlier, Jesus performed miracles by God's will. He could heal the blind, cure the leper, and bring back the dead to life. he performed miracles, even with simple things like food, causing provisions to come miraculously from heaven (Qur'an 5:112-115). Miraculous also were his virgin birth and his speach while an infant in the cradle.
always from koran
As mentioned earlier, Jesus performed miracles by God's will. He could heal the blind, cure the leper, and bring back the dead to life. he performed miracles, even with simple things like food, causing provisions to come miraculously from heaven (Qur'an 5:112-115). Miraculous also were his virgin birth and his speach while an infant in the cradle.
always from koran
Naseem
Member
The Miracles of Jesus
As mentioned earlier, Jesus performed miracles by God's will. He could heal the blind, cure the leper, and bring back the dead to life. he performed miracles, even with simple things like food, causing provisions to come miraculously from heaven (Qur'an 5:112-115). Miraculous also were his virgin birth and his speach while an infant in the cradle.
always from koran
As mentioned earlier, Jesus performed miracles by God's will. He could heal the blind, cure the leper, and bring back the dead to life. he performed miracles, even with simple things like food, causing provisions to come miraculously from heaven (Qur'an 5:112-115). Miraculous also were his virgin birth and his speach while an infant in the cradle.
always from koran
DR.D
Well-known member
This is my main issue, quran say Jesus is the word of God, but not his son and not Messiah. The Sura 5:75 reads "Christ the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle" and "it is not fitting to God that he should beget a son" Sura 19:35.
Also, if any Muslim honors Christ as the son of God, it is considered an unpardonable sin (Sura 4:48) and specifically the Christian Trinity (Sura 4:171). To deny Christ as your only means of salvation is to deny His death to redeem you. You have no excuse for that. Christ makes it clear, He said He is the alpha and omega and no man sees the Father except though Him, because He paid the price. It's very simple. Your religion seeks to cut Christ out of the equation or resign Him to a lesser position that He truly deserves. He is the only way my friend. He did die, he did come back from the dead and yes it is WELL DOCUMENTED by many, many witnesses. Did Muhammad do that? No. Did he even claim he could do that? Did he heal people and bring them back from the dead as Christ did? No. Only the one true God can do that. That's Jesus Christ.
Naseem
Member
Jesus Was Not Put to Death on the Cross
Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the intention of his enemies to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him from their plot. The Qur'anic text bears it out thus:
"And because of their saying : 'We slew the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, Allah's messenger.' They slew him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and behold! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But God took him up unto Himself, God is ever Mighty, Wise." (4:157-168)
Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the intention of his enemies to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him from their plot. The Qur'anic text bears it out thus:
"And because of their saying : 'We slew the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, Allah's messenger.' They slew him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and behold! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But God took him up unto Himself, God is ever Mighty, Wise." (4:157-168)
Naseem
Member
whos said muhammed peace be upon was god?!
how can u say u not polytheist if u belive in to gods as u say jesus and the father!
Jesus Was Not the Son of God
The Church maintains that Jesus was the "Only-begotten Son" of God, and also God Himself, since the doctrine of the Trinity considers God as the Son, as the Father, and as the "Holy Ghost" all at the same time! Catholics further emphasize the divinity of Mary as the "Mother of God." Islam rejects all these concepts in toto.
First of all, Muslims maintain that the virgin birth of Jesus without a father was not any more supernatural than the creation of Adam without a father or mother. The Qur'an says:
"Behold! The likeness of Jesus before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him, "Be!" and he was." (3:59)
Refuting the idea that Jesus was the "Son of God," the Qur'an declares:
"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of God, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old.. God (Himself) opposed them. How perverse are they!"(9:30)
The Qur'an repeatedly emphasized the fact that Jesus was a human being. The Qur'an declares:
"The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger (apostle), messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how God doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are turned away!"(5:78)
The Qur'an condemns the Trinity dogma at several places (eg. 4:171), and says that Jesus never claimed divinity, and that he would assert on the Day of Judgement that he always taught the worship of One, Almighty God. This is described in the following verses from the Qur'an:
"And when God saith (namely, unto Jesus on the Day of Judgement): O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: take me and my mother for two gods beside God? He saith: (God) be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knowest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Behold, Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden. I speak unto them only that which Thou commandest me, (saying): Worship God, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things." (5:119,120)
how can u say u not polytheist if u belive in to gods as u say jesus and the father!
Jesus Was Not the Son of God
The Church maintains that Jesus was the "Only-begotten Son" of God, and also God Himself, since the doctrine of the Trinity considers God as the Son, as the Father, and as the "Holy Ghost" all at the same time! Catholics further emphasize the divinity of Mary as the "Mother of God." Islam rejects all these concepts in toto.
First of all, Muslims maintain that the virgin birth of Jesus without a father was not any more supernatural than the creation of Adam without a father or mother. The Qur'an says:
"Behold! The likeness of Jesus before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him, "Be!" and he was." (3:59)
Refuting the idea that Jesus was the "Son of God," the Qur'an declares:
"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of God, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old.. God (Himself) opposed them. How perverse are they!"(9:30)
The Qur'an repeatedly emphasized the fact that Jesus was a human being. The Qur'an declares:
"The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger (apostle), messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how God doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are turned away!"(5:78)
The Qur'an condemns the Trinity dogma at several places (eg. 4:171), and says that Jesus never claimed divinity, and that he would assert on the Day of Judgement that he always taught the worship of One, Almighty God. This is described in the following verses from the Qur'an:
"And when God saith (namely, unto Jesus on the Day of Judgement): O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: take me and my mother for two gods beside God? He saith: (God) be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knowest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Behold, Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden. I speak unto them only that which Thou commandest me, (saying): Worship God, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things." (5:119,120)
Naseem
Member
look what in the gospels says about devinty of jesus peace be upon him!
Contradictory Statements in the Gospels Concerning Jesus' Divinity
According to the verses quoted above, Muslims believe that Jesus not only will disavow any claim to divinity, but he will also assert that he never preached such a doctrine to his disciples when he was with them. Fortunately, the narrative of Jesus as reported in the "Four Gospels," though, contains sufficient evidence to support this belief. The following few selected verses from the New Testament clearly show that Jesus does not claim divinity or identity with God: (Jesus says):
"I do nothing of myself." (John 14:28)
"My Father is greater than I." (John 14:2)
"The Lord, our God, is one Lord." (Mark 12:29)
"My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46)
"Father, into Thy hands I commend my spirit." (Luke 23:46)
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)
It is also written about Jesus:
"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen," (Matt. 12:18)
"God...glorified His servant, Jesus." (Acts 3:13)
"Thy holy servant, Jesus, whom thou didst anoint as Messiah." (Acts 4:27)
It might be noted that the N.T. Greek word for "servant" is pais or paida, which corresponds to the Arabic ghulam: "boy, son, servant, attendant." Further, the term "Father" as used by Jesus corresponds more closely to the Arabic term Rabb, i.e., one who nourishes and sustains, so that in Jesus' doctrine, God is "Father" (Nourisher and Sustainer) of all men.)
These expressions, among others, confirm to a great extent the Islamic notion of Jesus, namely that he was a true servant and messenger of God, and one of His humble creatures.
Contradictory Statements in the Gospels Concerning Jesus' Divinity
According to the verses quoted above, Muslims believe that Jesus not only will disavow any claim to divinity, but he will also assert that he never preached such a doctrine to his disciples when he was with them. Fortunately, the narrative of Jesus as reported in the "Four Gospels," though, contains sufficient evidence to support this belief. The following few selected verses from the New Testament clearly show that Jesus does not claim divinity or identity with God: (Jesus says):
"I do nothing of myself." (John 14:28)
"My Father is greater than I." (John 14:2)
"The Lord, our God, is one Lord." (Mark 12:29)
"My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46)
"Father, into Thy hands I commend my spirit." (Luke 23:46)
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)
It is also written about Jesus:
"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen," (Matt. 12:18)
"God...glorified His servant, Jesus." (Acts 3:13)
"Thy holy servant, Jesus, whom thou didst anoint as Messiah." (Acts 4:27)
It might be noted that the N.T. Greek word for "servant" is pais or paida, which corresponds to the Arabic ghulam: "boy, son, servant, attendant." Further, the term "Father" as used by Jesus corresponds more closely to the Arabic term Rabb, i.e., one who nourishes and sustains, so that in Jesus' doctrine, God is "Father" (Nourisher and Sustainer) of all men.)
These expressions, among others, confirm to a great extent the Islamic notion of Jesus, namely that he was a true servant and messenger of God, and one of His humble creatures.
Naseem
Member
Christians and the Divinity of Jesus
Since the 4th century, christian doctrine has been that Jesus is God, the second member of a "Trinity," and Catholics also believe in the divinity of Mary. However, from time to time, there have arisen "heretics" in the Christian church who refuted the doctrine of Jesus' divinity. For instance, Sale mentions that long before Prophet Muhammad was born, certain sects of Christians--the Corinthians, the Basilidians, and the Carpocratians--believed that Jesus was not crucified, but that one of his followers, looking very much like him, was put on the cross. The Corinthains and Basilidians, in addition, asserted that Jesus was a mere man. The early Christians who did not accept Jesus as God were harshly suppressed by the Church hierarchy. Chadwick cites several instances of individuals who were burned alive for not accepting this doctrine. The last incident of this kind took place as recently as 1612 in England. At the present time, Christian sects such as the Unitarians, Christadelphians, and Jehovah's Witnesses reject the doctrines of the divinity of Jesus and Trinity.
Conclusion
To reiterate, the Qur'an asserts in the clearest terms that Jesus was a true servant and messenger (apostle) of God. Muslims hold Jesus in the highest reverence. he was miraculously born of a virgin; he was endowed with the power to perform many miracles, and he was sent to preach the true worship of God, and to announce the coming of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) after him.
Since the 4th century, christian doctrine has been that Jesus is God, the second member of a "Trinity," and Catholics also believe in the divinity of Mary. However, from time to time, there have arisen "heretics" in the Christian church who refuted the doctrine of Jesus' divinity. For instance, Sale mentions that long before Prophet Muhammad was born, certain sects of Christians--the Corinthians, the Basilidians, and the Carpocratians--believed that Jesus was not crucified, but that one of his followers, looking very much like him, was put on the cross. The Corinthains and Basilidians, in addition, asserted that Jesus was a mere man. The early Christians who did not accept Jesus as God were harshly suppressed by the Church hierarchy. Chadwick cites several instances of individuals who were burned alive for not accepting this doctrine. The last incident of this kind took place as recently as 1612 in England. At the present time, Christian sects such as the Unitarians, Christadelphians, and Jehovah's Witnesses reject the doctrines of the divinity of Jesus and Trinity.
Conclusion
To reiterate, the Qur'an asserts in the clearest terms that Jesus was a true servant and messenger (apostle) of God. Muslims hold Jesus in the highest reverence. he was miraculously born of a virgin; he was endowed with the power to perform many miracles, and he was sent to preach the true worship of God, and to announce the coming of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) after him.
Naseem
Member
that miracles that gives the prophtest muhamed pace be upon him was illetrate
znf he came with quran taht was his mircle
moses split the sea god gave hime that proove
...ect
mmowry
Board Sponsor
I wont deny you your faith Naseem but I will say that you are devout and thats commendable.Ive seen the Miracle Working Power of Jesus in my life and others so a doctrine cannot sway one with a life changing experience.
It looks like we must agree to disagree.Since Jesus says "I am the Way,the Truth and the Life and noone comes to the Father except through me" and "Noone comes to the Father except drawn by the Spirit" Ill chose to believe the one whos changed my life;inside and out.
Very nice debate and best of luck to you.
It looks like we must agree to disagree.Since Jesus says "I am the Way,the Truth and the Life and noone comes to the Father except through me" and "Noone comes to the Father except drawn by the Spirit" Ill chose to believe the one whos changed my life;inside and out.
Very nice debate and best of luck to you.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
Yea, guys, this topic going nowhere, so Dr.D and Naseem let's just leave it at that or talk about anything else.
Naseem
Member
thanks alot as i sai d aint a hater i am muslim and i luv jesus peace upon jesus came with one bible and not bibles sum eveil ppl corupted it thats wat i belive aint tryin to force anybody or to HURT any one i tried explain y i belive taht with the proov! and yes sir ibelive in miracles whe u belive with all u heart and u loyal to god he ll make we had to be patiant cuz evry dya is a TEST !
TAKE CARE!
Naseem
Member
I WANNA SAY THAT I AM SORRY IF I DID HURT ANYONE BELIEF IT WASNT MY MEAN! i was juss tryin debate about what and why i beliave that way !
ALSO IF D AGREE WE CAN MOVE TO OTHER TOPIC AND BAK TO PEACE IN THE MIDEL EAST § AND Y THIS PART OF THE WORLD IS SO IMPORTANT TO PPL AND MANY TROUBLES§ GOES ONE AND LL GO!
ALSO IF D AGREE WE CAN MOVE TO OTHER TOPIC AND BAK TO PEACE IN THE MIDEL EAST § AND Y THIS PART OF THE WORLD IS SO IMPORTANT TO PPL AND MANY TROUBLES§ GOES ONE AND LL GO!
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
I don't think you hurt anybody, you have your believes, other people have theirs and it's hard to convince someone based on religious literature. I can tell you what I think about it too, based on what God Himself says, but I feel like it's gonna be a waste of time because not many people will listen to me. Even though I can proove it to you, if God allows me.
rockhard_4eva
Banned
Abe did not build that meteorite rock. Its a blatant lie. That was one of the customary worship idols during the time of Muhammed, peace be on me.
Naseem
Member
ok well thats another case i ll have to get sume historic facts that proov that abraham built it 1st ! but u right arab use to worship that b4 islam ! but this black stone dosnt hurt or help it does nuthin as omar ibn khatab the 2nd khalif said it!
if you know story about abraham peace be upon him and his wife sarah and whe god did made water rise from the desert ! for sarah and her baby ! wich called zimzim water ! it was taht time that it was built if i remeber well !
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
That's some info I didn't know. Good posting. Good men of all faith will go to heaven 
Story over now...el fin
Story over now...el fin
Naseem
Member
hey didmitry dont forget y i saterted his talk it was about sumone said " no peace in middel east cuz muslims wanna cobert evrybody" that wasnt true i can understand since ppl get influance and brainwashed! by the media wich is all controlled by ppl who work for the new world order " antichrist order" so i wanted to clear sume misconception about islam thats IT!
spitboy2000
Board Supporter
naseem's stream of confused conspiracy theory is one reason why there will be no peace in the middle east -- indeed, all the places where Islam touches upon other religions there is no peace. It's called "Islam's Bloody Borders"
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kwyckemynd00
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The problem with the Qur'an, like all religions texts (and all texts for that matter), is that it is entirely open to interpretation. So anything that is grey area for some is black and white for others.
So while some things you may believe about the Qur'an wholeheartedly to be true, others don't. Right now there seems to be a pretty damn big problem with so-called muslims believing that their insane actions and beliefs are fully justified by the Qur'an.
DR.D
Well-known member
Interesting how Jerusalem had the most heat of any Israeli city too. I guess those peaceful muslims are just the misunderstood victims though, huh? Or maybe they aren't really muslims blowing themselves to pieces, maybe god just made it seem like a muslim but pulled the old switch-a-roo like he did with Jesus on the cross? Or it's a bizarre coincidence that Jerusalem is most in the red and lots of unintentional bombing accidents happen there, like the Bermuda Triangle of explosives or something?
Wake up people!
Naseem
Member
u right on that thats how god test ppl cuz most of so called muslim s who leads sects " not real shcolars" interpert by following their desiiers sum for power sum for the fame....ect but always theirs proof that they wrong thats y when u follo koran u have to folow that with the understood with the prophet compaginons as they had a pure islam not corrupted !
but guess what teh prophet muhamed peace be upon him did predidct that there gonna be sects...ect !
Naseem
Member
i cheked u r site ! well u kno every country has its own case! teh algerian issue i know that very well since i am algerian and i stil live in algeria it s all manipulated by algerian frech secret services amny even did admit taht they were behind it! sume terrorist leaders did sum military did ..ect so itsnt as simple
for the conspiracy issues unfortunally there is many proovs and it s long story u can open anotehr thread if u want! to chek teh leo zagami site hewas 33rd illuminati from teh nuvos oriantis lodge!
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DR.D
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Games Muslims Play
Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast of its oppressive practices against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated by novices and even those outside the faith.
This is a document (that we hope to improve on and expand over time) that exposes some of these games and helps truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history.
“If Islam were a violent religion, then all Muslims would be violent.”
“Other religions kill, too.”
Muhammad preached 'no compulsion in religion' (Qur'an: 2:256)
The Crusades
“Muhammad never killed anyone.”
Islam teaches 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' (Qur'an 5:32)
"Muslims only kill in self-defense.”
The million dollar wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Qur'an.
"Verses of violence are taken out of context."
"Islam must be true, because it is the world’s fastest growing religion."
This sounds very familiar doesn't it? Excellent resource poison! I just saw this on a link there and thought it was quite fitting. Read these people, and be ready when muslims try to trick you in to that "peaceful islam" crap. It's time to face what this really is, and it's not pretty at all. It makes my stomach turn and my blood boil. This is NOT GOD and any man that defends it and makes excuses for it is an evil man.
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Naseem
Member
hey poison as i said b4 to inetrpret a verse it should be under teh understood of the wise prophets compagion and the verse u say u cnat juss apply it like that! u have to understand the meaning wand when and wich event the verse is told! and ot was when the arab pagans was goin kill and eleminate all the muslims....ect so sure u have to fight them !
and another issue what is teh definition of and infidel or disbeliver?
also christians and jews in quran are called " ppl of the book"
and the tax u talkin about it s called the dhimma wich mean for the ppl who are under protection ! its not sign of superiority is juss a tax as muslims payas the zakat tax non muslims have to pay dhimma juss as u pay tax in any country !
Naseem
Member
hey D u can hate islam muslims have u r own understanting of islam it doesnt matter as i said i am not here to convince ppl or to please them sinc eu talkin what u makin is all about generalisation u makin
i never said there no muslims terrorists nor sai dthat all muslims r good or anything like that!
guess what all what happening to muslims is because tehy deserve
ISLAM TEACH THEY R LL BE NO CHANGES B4 PPL CHANGE WHAT IS IN THE HEART!
poison
Board Sponsor
Naseem, click the link, look at the list of attacks and victims of Muslim terror, then come back.
I don't care what mohammed really meant, or who is taking what out of context. The fact is Islam is thrashing around right now a killing thousands of innocents EVERY YEAR.
That, my friend, is bull****. Muslims need to take responsibility for their own actions, stop blaming it on everyone else, and go smoke a bong (or huff a dong, if that's the preference).
I don't care what mohammed really meant, or who is taking what out of context. The fact is Islam is thrashing around right now a killing thousands of innocents EVERY YEAR.
That, my friend, is bull****. Muslims need to take responsibility for their own actions, stop blaming it on everyone else, and go smoke a bong (or huff a dong, if that's the preference).
DR.D
Well-known member
What Would Muhammad Do?
(a checklist)
Have sex with a 9-year-old girl?
YES
Advocate beheading?
YES
Require women to cover their faces?
YES
Befriend Christians and Jews?
NO!
Own slaves?
YES
Marry his daughter-in-law?
YES
Approve of prostitution?
YES
Gluttonize?
YES
Recommend wife-beating?
YES
Hit his own wife?
YES
Kill prisoners of war?
YES
Advocate suicide attacks?
YES
Kill apostates?
YES
Tell sick persons to heal them-selves by drinking camel urine?
YES
Beat children who don’t pray?
YES
Have eleven wives at one time?
YES
Lie?
YES
Enslave women and children?
YES
Stone adulterers to death?
YES
Torture a man out of greed?
YES
Consider men and women equal partners?
NO!
Steal?
YES
Kill someone for insulting him?
YES
Preach love for people of all religions?
NO!
Extort money from other religions?
YES
Keep women as sex slaves?
YES
Force conversions to Islam?
YES
Commit acts of terror?
YES
Kill a woman?
YES
Capture a woman and rape her?
YES
Encourage the rape of women in front of their husbands?
YES
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(a checklist)
Have sex with a 9-year-old girl?
YES
Advocate beheading?
YES
Require women to cover their faces?
YES
Befriend Christians and Jews?
NO!
Own slaves?
YES
Marry his daughter-in-law?
YES
Approve of prostitution?
YES
Gluttonize?
YES
Recommend wife-beating?
YES
Hit his own wife?
YES
Kill prisoners of war?
YES
Advocate suicide attacks?
YES
Kill apostates?
YES
Tell sick persons to heal them-selves by drinking camel urine?
YES
Beat children who don’t pray?
YES
Have eleven wives at one time?
YES
Lie?
YES
Enslave women and children?
YES
Stone adulterers to death?
YES
Torture a man out of greed?
YES
Consider men and women equal partners?
NO!
Steal?
YES
Kill someone for insulting him?
YES
Preach love for people of all religions?
NO!
Extort money from other religions?
YES
Keep women as sex slaves?
YES
Force conversions to Islam?
YES
Commit acts of terror?
YES
Kill a woman?
YES
Capture a woman and rape her?
YES
Encourage the rape of women in front of their husbands?
YES
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