Help a young kid out.

[rocketboy]

Look, I'm about to be completely honest with you all. I admit, I didn't do my homework before I started my cycle of test E, and I am dearly paying the price for it a few months out. I would appreciate any help at all from experienced users.

I did a 8 week cycle of test E right at 18 years old. I realize now that I should have waited a few years, but what is done is done. The problem is that my post cycle therapy was ****. It consisted of Nolvadex for a period of 2 weeks from my last shot. Problem is that the half life of test E is around 2 weeks, so it was a extremely lousy post cycle.

It has been two months since I have gotten off my cycle. I am currently waiting on my test/estrogen results.

I am experiencing an extreme amount of hair loss, my sex drive is slowly recovering, and a problem with my vision.

The question I have: Would doing a proper pct be beneficial at this time? If not, what can I do?

I have consulted with doctors for the past month trying to sort some **** out, but they are no help whatsoever.

 

[mmowry]

Ifyoure going to self remedy try getting some Toremifene citrate and run it @120mg /daywk1,90mg/day wk2 ,60mg/day wk3.Super Soldier used it to get his natty test back up after prolonged androgen use that led to low test production.Good luck buddy.

 

[DougMan]

First off, welcome to the board. Sorry you had to learn about the need for proper post cycle therapy the hard way. Don't beat yourself up too much, all of us have done dumb stuff, heck their are even a few threads about that subject.

What you need to do is read everything possible about post cycle therapy on this board. mmowry provides and excellent starting point, in looking into what super soldier did to recover his test levels.

I would also recommend you read this thread to see what exactly your options are in terms of meds. Do NOT ask where to source these, that is against board rules. If you need source, Private message[PM] me (you might need to become a board supporter) your email address and then we can possibly discuss it. But do not ask via this board, or PMs on this board, or through unsolicited emails to members on this board.

Best of luck to ya.

 

[TripDog]

rocket,your experiencing hair loss 2 months after the cycle ended..was that an issue before the test??

 

[rocketboy]

yes, not as much. but still enough to be concerned about.

I have nolvadex at hand, should i even bother running it? or would it be a better idea to get some tornifene citrate like mmorwy suggested.

 

[TripDog]

yes, not as much. but still enough to be concerned about.

I have nolvadex at hand, should i even bother running it? or would it be a better idea to get some tornifene citrate like mmorwy suggested.

the reason for the torm is to jumpstart your natural production of test....nolva is not near as good as torm for this..if you have nolva it will help....imo take a low dose for a week or two 10mg+.....this will also help you recover,any lumps under your nips from the test(gyno)??

 

[rocketboy]

no lumps yet, although they are a little more sensitve to the touch, could just be my imagination though because it is hard to tell.

any suggestions about the hair loss?

 

[jomi822]

alright dude well i supposer at this point you realize youre an idiot so ill spare you the speech.

first of all. DONT LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTORS. they have no experience with this type of thing and they are going to give you a bunch of blood tests and do absolutely nothing about it. they have no experience with PCT. steroid use is a major hands off subject in the medical community. dont waste your time.

you ran it for 8 weeks....what dosage.

you could get the toremifene but you could certainly use the nolva if you have enough of it on hand. how much do you have? are you sure its legit?

im going to be honest with you. now that youre all ****ed up chances of making a quick recovery this late in the game are pretty nill. you should abolutely try it though. after that, there is one other thing you can try as a last resort. i can almost guarantee it would work but you should try this with just serms first.

for now-
nolva at 40mgs a day for the first week
30 a day for the next week
20
10

for your hair, go out and buy nizoral shampoo. it should take care of the problem.

 

[rocketboy]

test e for 8 weeks @ 250 per wk. i have a 30 day supply. 10 mgs i believe. I can also obtain some clomid if necessary.

 

[jomi822]

test e for 8 weeks @ 250 per wk. i have a 30 day supply. 10 mgs i believe. I can also obtain some clomid if necessary.

250mgs a week isnt enough for a first cycle...


30 day supply? do you mean thirty 10mg pills?

alright whatever, order toremifene asap, and start on the tamoxifen now. start with 40mgs a day of nolva right now.

 

[rocketboy]

yes, by that i meant thirty 10 mg pills. when i get the tornifene how should i run that with the nolvadex?

and also, do you think my hair loss is a result from not taking a proper post cycle, or just because i was genetically predisposed to MPB.

Im also concerned about major health effects in the immediate future. I get rapid heart beat occasionally, not sure if it is a result of the improper use of AS or stress related. What else is instore for me as far as my health goes?

If gyno starts becoming an issue a couple of months on, how would one go about handling that issue?

 

[jomi822]

yes, by that i meant thirty 10 mg pills. when i get the tornifene how should i run that with the nolvadex?

and also, do you think my hair loss is a result from not taking a proper post cycle, or just because i was genetically predisposed to MPB.

Im also concerned about major health effects in the immediate future. I get rapid heart beat occasionally, not sure if it is a result of the improper use of AS or stress related. What else is instore for me as far as my health goes?

If gyno starts becoming an issue a couple of months on, how would one go about handling that issue?

you dont need to combine toremifene and nolva, just run the nolva until the toremifene gets there. the sooner you start a SERM the better. start the nolva immediately.

your hair loss ir probably mostly genetic. your estrogen levels being up there might be part of the reason youre losing your hair... Some research shows that estrogen converts to DHT more readily than testosterone. go figure.

if you are concerned about health the best thing to do is to get your natural hormone production back where it should be. do that and it wont be an issue anymore.

right now just concern yourself with these simple things-
1. nizoral shampoo for hair loss
2. 40mgs of nolva a day. start TODAY
3. order toremifene

 

[RoadBlocK]

Im not an expert like some of theses posters, and I cant give you prescribing info, but Im worried about what was the problem with your vision??? Did this start during the cycle, or once you started doing the nolvadex???

Which drug had a warning about vision trouble, wasnt it nolv?? I would hate to see this kid do permanent damage to his eyes.

 

[rocketboy]

I first noticed this problem when I was driving in my car at night... I'd be looking at a street sign with light being reflected off it from my headlights and would see a blurred shadow of the sign underneath the sign. As i got closer, the shadow got smaller..

My vision is still clear; its just kinda trippy so to say. It has something to do with the light. I look at a street light and see a ring of light with a five foot radius from the light. Im guessing this has something to do with the hypothalamus?

 

[rocketboy]

you dont need to combine toremifene and nolva, just run the nolva until the toremifene gets there. the sooner you start a SERM the better. start the nolva immediately.

your hair loss ir probably mostly genetic. your estrogen levels being up there might be part of the reason youre losing your hair... Some research shows that estrogen converts to DHT more readily than testosterone. go figure.

if you are concerned about health the best thing to do is to get your natural hormone production back where it should be. do that and it wont be an issue anymore.

right now just concern yourself with these simple things-
1. nizoral shampoo for hair loss
2. 40mgs of nolva a day. start TODAY
3. order toremifene

I had no problems with hair loss before my cycle. My mother's father still has a good amount of hair at 70 years old. High test levels convert to DHT while im on the cycle, so I experienced A LOT of hair loss. Poor PCT coming off the cycle results in high estrogen levels, which results in even more hair loss. Two months down the road i am still experiencing extreme hair loss. I have been using Nizoral shampoo a few days, but have not seen any improvement. If problem persists after SERM is done correctly, the drug propesia might be considered. Any input?

 

[TripDog]

you dont need to combine toremifene and nolva, just run the nolva until the toremifene gets there. the sooner you start a SERM the better. start the nolva immediately.

your hair loss ir probably mostly genetic. your estrogen levels being up there might be part of the reason youre losing your hair... Some research shows that estrogen converts to DHT more readily than testosterone. go figure.

if you are concerned about health the best thing to do is to get your natural hormone production back where it should be. do that and it wont be an issue anymore.

right now just concern yourself with these simple things-
1. nizoral shampoo for hair loss
2. 40mgs of nolva a day. start TODAY
3. order toremifene

your saying hairloss is caused by estrogen??? where have you seen this??

 

[rocketboy]

your saying hairloss is caused by estrogen??? where have you seen this??

Trip, my hairloss is still a problem for me and I can tell that just using nizoral is not going to do the trick. What do you have to say about propesia while on torem.?

Also, for the start of gyno would letzo be effective since I am still at a young age?

 

[TripDog]

Trip, my hairloss is still a problem for me and I can tell that just using nizoral is not going to do the trick. What do you have to say about propesia while on torem.?

Also, for the start of gyno would letzo be effective since I am still at a young age?

I use finisteride/propecia and have had great sucsess with it.....checks this site out Invalid Link Removed

 

[bearmeat]

Nolva is known to give vision problems. The higher the dose the higher the side effects. I would NOT run Nolva as high as 40mg as has been suggested since you are already experiencing problems. Vision issues developed from Nolva can be permanent.