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Test Enanthate and Epistane...

hurdlemaker said:
Actually ive used delts 4 my last 4 injections and they arent even sore, im kinda iffy about trying out the quad, for abs i just do, crunches, crunches on an incline, hanging leg lifts, and i use the rope to do some weighted movements, just concentrate hard on flexing your abs when you are working them, otherwise your hips will do a lot of work
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i was nervous the first time i did quads, but it is easier than glutes. never even feel the needle slide in and no awkward bending or twisting to get your shot either if you give them to yourself.
 
tattoopierced1 said:
i was nervous the first time i did quads, but it is easier than glutes. never even feel the needle slide in and no awkward bending or twisting to get your shot either if you give them to yourself.
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i just have my gf inject my delts, that way i dont even have to look at the needle, lol
 
hman85 said:
Hurdle try your traps it never hurts at all it is my favorite other than glutes. just a thought
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dude your nuts..:blink: ..omg that sh*t must kill.....i did some mgf in my traps once...never again.......
 
TripDog said:
dude your nuts..:blink: ..omg that sh*t must kill.....i did some mgf in my traps once...never again.......
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huh that is weird i never had a problem with traps those were my favorite. it never got as sore as other spots. guess everyone is different did you do it yourself.; i didn't i am guessing it would be hard by yourself
 
traps jsut seem like a horrible place to pin.

i'm gonna try and get some igf-1 there soon but it's gonna be a pain in the ass...and its only gonna be a slin pin.
 
hurdlemaker said:
lookin swole son
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thanx H-maker,i'm runnin a solo halodrol(first batch) now on day 5 up 4 1/2 pounds already...with igf,and ghrp-6 too...i was gonna log it but it's not that exciting of a cycle...keepin things simple this tyme i guess.....



trip-diggy
 
^^^ 5lb cockring... you don't play!

Traps aren't so bad, but I don't see why anyone would pin them other than being on an ED pinning schedule. Big muscles are the easiest.. and even if you have big traps, that means your other muscles should be that much bigger comparatively... But I won't knock a person's personal preference.. just stating that they really aren't that bad.. just a little sketchy at first.. seeing as you are pinning close to your fvckin' NECK.. :D
 
Day 21
Weight: 207 (+15lbs)

Feeling pretty lethargic, nimples are a lil puffy and the left nipple is getting a little sensitive, didnt expect this...No large jump in strength yet, but i def look a lot fuller and more muscular
 
PumpingIron said:
traps jsut seem like a horrible place to pin.

i'm gonna try and get some igf-1 there soon but it's gonna be a pain in the ass...and its only gonna be a slin pin.
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yea pump,i shot my igf in my traps tonight......that sh*t Fu*kin hurts...i cant even imagine using like a 25 gauge there.....FU*K THAT :fool2: .......



what up h-maka :aargh:
 
my ass stays sore 24/7 and im hiding the fact that im shooting up from my g/f so i dont have to hear her ***** :dance:

only downside is she is always grabbing my ass and jumping on me or laying on me which makes it 10x work. great progress though bro, im up about 9lb i guess and today is #14 for me. trying to go more from progress pictures than scale as it can vary alot but i have to jump on it every so often.
 
hurdlemaker said:
Day 21
Weight: 207 (+15lbs)

Feeling pretty lethargic, nimples are a lil puffy and the left nipple is getting a little sensitive, didnt expect this...No large jump in strength yet, but i def look a lot fuller and more muscular
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sensitivity can be normal, and not a smoking gun just yet.

If you notice a small BB sized lump forming under/around the areola, then that is cause for Nolva/Ralox treatment.

Lethargic huh? I don't get lethargic with your compounds. Just wait until day 40 or so. ;)
 
ralph4u2c said:
my ass stays sore 24/7 and im hiding the fact that im shooting up from my g/f so i dont have to hear her ***** :dance:

only downside is she is always grabbing my ass and jumping on me or laying on me which makes it 10x work. great progress though bro, im up about 9lb i guess and today is #14 for me. trying to go more from progress pictures than scale as it can vary alot but i have to jump on it every so often.
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are you only injecting in your ass? Try the delts, thats what ive been doing and its a lot better
 
Ubiquitous said:
sensitivity can be normal, and not a smoking gun just yet.

If you notice a small BB sized lump forming under/around the areola, then that is cause for Nolva/Ralox treatment.

Lethargic huh? I don't get lethargic with your compounds. Just wait until day 40 or so. ;)
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Yep theres a lump, there has been a lump under the right nipple for a while, now theres a lump under the left, and it is really sensitive, its not lactating that much right now, do you think i could wait until I take the toremifene post cycle, or do I need to take something for it now?
 
hurdlemaker said:
Yep theres a lump, there has been a lump under the right nipple for a while, now theres a lump under the left, and it is really sensitive, its not lactating that much right now, do you think i could wait until I take the toremifene post cycle, or do I need to take something for it now?
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i'd start now. nip it in the bud ;)
 
TripDog said:
yea pump,i shot my igf in my traps tonight......that sh*t Fu*kin hurts...i cant even imagine using like a 25 gauge there.....FU*K THAT :fool2: .......



what up h-maka :aargh:
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Whats up bro, yeah i NEVER plan on injecting my traps with anything, i dont care if its a slin pin, nothing will go there, lol
 
are you on week 3? how many injects have you done so far?

I guess the Epistane gyno thing isnt working to well. I hear alot more people say it did nothing for gyno then people say it did.

Like Ubi said I have to agree sensitivity or puffiness in the nipples can be quite normal when hormones are out of normal limits, doesnt mean you have gyno but if you feel a lump then start treating it ASAP. I noticed you have Arimidex in your cycle you could start that earlier but make sure you get some more SERM you might need it.
 
pistonpump said:
are you on week 3? how many injects have you done so far?

I guess the Epistane gyno thing isnt working to well. I hear alot more people say it did nothing for gyno then people say it did.

Like Ubi said I have to agree sensitivity or puffiness in the nipples can be quite normal when hormones are out of normal limits, doesnt mean you have gyno but if you feel a lump then start treating it ASAP. I noticed you have Arimidex in your cycle you could start that earlier but make sure you get some more SERM you might need it.
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I think ive done 7 injections thus far
 
If you have lumps, then by all means, start an aggressive protocol against it right now. Don't use Tor, save that for PCT. Use Tamox or Ralox... you may want to use both a serm and an AI (at least at the beginning) to stop it dead in it's tracks. I empathize with you Hurdle.
 
mmm def start nolva right away bro, my first time i took it and it stopped the ***** tits dead in its tracks... the second time wa delayed superdrol gyno while i was no longer lifting and didnt have anything or the ability to get anything to thwart it..... def wasnt a happy camper for the longest.

you have actation though? sounds progestin related so you might want to get some letro man, i NEVER had lactation and my lumps were huge (the size of a hershey kiss).
 
hurdlemaker said:
Started the nolva two days ago, do you guys think that taking it while on cycle will slow gains at all?
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Not at all....anytime i ever touched test(not that much) but when i did i always ran tamox and finasteride...gains were always good...better safe than sorry.....do you have any cabergoline??...any hairloss issues on the test??
 
TripDog said:
Not at all....anytime i ever touched test(not that much) but when i did i always ran tamox and finasteride...gains were always good...better safe than sorry.....do you have any cabergoline??...any hairloss issues on the test??
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thanks bud, and no i dont have hair loss issues, i dont think my hair is going anywhere, its thick as ****
 
Nolva is only an estrogen receptor antagonist in breast tissue (amongst a few others, and an agonist in other tissues), it will not hinder gains.

take care of those boobies.. been there.
 
Day 28
Weight:207 (+15lbs)

I think ive gained about a lb of muscle in the last week, because this week when i weighed 207 i hadnt eaten as much and my stomach looked a lot smaller since ive lowered my calories just a lil lately, mostly due to work, but im still getting over 300 grams of protein every day on the minimum. My strength has still not gone up that much, ive got a lil gyno that im taking nolva to handle. My libido is sky high, like in outer space. Im in a great mood often, i do however find myself being a little easier annoyed at times , not a lot though, actually not that much at all, lol. Hope an increase in strength and about 15 more lbs are on the way...
 
Hey Hurdle were u taking an AI with the test or no..
 
TripDog said:
Hey Hurdle were u taking an AI with the test or no..
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well ive got a bottle of arimidex, but i havent started taking it yet. to tell you the truth im kinda uncertain about how to take it, ive heard so many people say so many different things about dosages and how often to take it and the such...
 
How to take anti estrogens,and serms,and post cycle therepy will be different every time you ask someone new...I f*ckin hate that.regardless i just added test omnadren(it's basicly sustanon) to my halodrol cycle..day 17 on the halodrol,and gonna run the test for a few good weeks..shot 250 omnadren and 250 enanthate on wednsday...umm i'm takin .5 mg armidex throughout the test...armidex really isn't harsh on lipids,thats why it's concidered the top ai for cycles..and unlike a serm it wouln't lower your igf levels(even though i'm shootin igf anyway)....save the titties for women,and use that dam armidex..i would NEVER EVER run test without an AI,and finisteride..............lata playa
 
TripDog said:
How to take anti estrogens,and serms,and post cycle therepy will be different every time you ask someone new...I f*ckin hate that.regardless i just added test omnadren(it's basicly sustanon) to my halodrol cycle..day 17 on the halodrol,and gonna run the test for a few good weeks..shot 250 omnadren and 250 enanthate on wednsday...umm i'm takin .5 mg armidex throughout the test...armidex really isn't harsh on lipids,thats why it's concidered the top ai for cycles..and unlike a serm it wouln't lower your igf levels(even though i'm shootin igf anyway)....save the titties for women,and use that dam armidex..i would NEVER EVER run test without an AI,and finisteride..............lata playa
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Thanks buddy, i would give u rep points but it wont let me, and stop trying to get so much bigger than me, lol
 
DecaDone said:
Trip, how many weeks are you going to be running the sust. for?
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not sure yet i was jus gonna do a 4 week oral cycle,then my dude came through....im gonna shoot every 5 days,did my second shot today.First shot was at day 14...Prolly not that long tho,day 19 on and up 8 pounds..i'm pretty happy with that,so i'm just gonna play it by ear at this point..def gonna finish the halodrol up to day 30 too..
 
wait, you might only use sust for 2 weeks?...

I don't wanna hijack HM's thread, but that really doesn't seem like you'd get any benefit.
 
PumpingIron said:
wait, you might only use sust for 2 weeks?...

I don't wanna hijack HM's thread, but that really doesn't seem like you'd get any benefit.
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na,i'm still gonna finish the full 30 days of halodrol is what i meant....i'll run the test prolly 8 weeks,that will make 10 total on,cause i added it at the 2 week mark.........my avitar pic is 2 days before i started,so im up 8 pounds as of now from there....I need 8 more to hit 200.....this should be fun :twisted: ........my bad H-Make for jakin'
 
TripDog said:
na,i'm still gonna finish the full 30 days of halodrol is what i meant....i'll run the test prolly 8 weeks,that will make 10 total on,cause i added it at the 2 week mark.........my avitar pic is 2 days before i started,so im up 8 pounds as of now from there....I need 8 more to hit 200.....this should be fun :twisted: ........my bad H-Make for jakin'
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Nice...sounds like a nice little kickstart to some fun with sust. You should hit that 200 mark easily.
 
Trip-E you look a lil too beefy to be less than 200, must be quite a midge lol. jp.

Hurdle, so what are you currently doing to prevent gyno? How are your thoughts on epi and the rest of the cycle?
 
pistonpump said:
Trip-E you look a lil too beefy to be less than 200, must be quite a midge lol. jp.

Hurdle, so what are you currently doing to prevent gyno? How are your thoughts on epi and the rest of the cycle?
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haha,na i'm 5'10 192,i got small bones,small waist,ankles,wrists........Thanks Pump Iron,yea i betsta hit that 200 mark.....:thumbsup:
 
The epistane wasnt too bad, no sides besides some delayed gyno, gained 15lbs while on, ive dropped a few lbs since then, but i havent been intaking quite as many calories, ive been working a lot, I still havent noticed that much from the test, im hoping i start seeing some effects really soon, i need another 15lbs, lol, im gonna try and get back up to around 5000calories a day...I dont remember ever getting heartburn, just got my nolva in today, i think im gonna run nolva at 50mg a day and arimidex at 25mg a day, any other suggestions? Two days ago for chest i did 3 sets of flys to warm up then started with incline db presses and did 95x12, 105x10, 115x9, 125x7, which isnt too bad, thats a lil stronger than when i started
 
hurdlemaker said:
The epistane wasnt too bad, no sides besides some delayed gyno, gained 15lbs while on, ive dropped a few lbs since then, but i havent been intaking quite as many calories, ive been working a lot, I still havent noticed that much from the test, im hoping i start seeing some effects really soon, i need another 15lbs, lol, im gonna try and get back up to around 5000calories a day...I dont remember ever getting heartburn, just got my nolva in today, i think im gonna run nolva at 50mg a day and arimidex at 25mg a day, any other suggestions? Two days ago for chest i did 3 sets of flys to warm up then started with incline db presses and did 95x12, 105x10, 115x9, 125x7, which isnt too bad, thats a lil stronger than when i started
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how long was the delay after the EPI for the gyno to start showing up? And what dose of EPI did you do?
 
well the epi may not be the cause, it could be that its anti e properties were holding back the aromatizing test and when you dropped it the test started to aromatize to E in the breast area with nothing stopping it. I could be wrong.


and Hurdle, i think you meant .25mg arimidex right? or are you taking aromasin?
 
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