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*The Pulsing Method Is INEFFECTIVE and DANGEROUS: The TRUTH EXPOSED!*

Jeez. How did I know it was that Ross clown just from the title alone?

That kid is gonna end up in jail soon if he isn't careful, too. He does some really stupid stuff around his area and isn't too slick about it. Just an FYI so nobody gets drawn into his BS.
 
Dr. John said:
HPTA serves the hypothalamus, NOT the pituitary.
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This was classic as it came shortly after he said he was here refuting the pulse method only because he was educated enough to do so.

He was soooooo educated that he, in fact, wasn't aware that there is a reason the hypothalamus is a) the first part of the acronym HPTA, b) referred to as the "master gland" (well, it is now that researchers have discovered the pituitary isn't), which works through the pituitary, not vice versa.

That's one of the biggest points made in physiology 101. LOL.
 
I hope that the absence of ANY Dr. D posts is that he wont justify this stupidity with a rebuttal....this BB.com clown needs to go back to his home where idiocy is accepted....
 
thesinner said:
Not trying to take sides, but is there really any quantifiable data on the pulse method? Before any side can even dream of winning this debate, they're gonna need some numbers to compare pulsing to. Until then, it's just 1 theory versus another, and nothing is going to get accomplished.
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not a whole ton of data but good logs from good members as well as the fact im sure the Doc wouldnt advocate the use of this if it were harmeful and def wouldnt be doin it for "money" since it would require less of the same product used along a longer period of time and the lack of needin a serm sold by the same sister company whos supp this protocol was initially designed for..... i just was saying he had a bad way of getting his point across and it quickly turned from "helping the people" to "the whole point is discrediting and calling out D".... shmuck sounds like hes got freinds whoes names are usually referred to with 2 lettes...... ill let you guys figure that one out.
 
Bobo probably took the liberty himself.

There are few trolls that Bobo hates with a passion. Ross is probably #1 on the list.
 
jomi822 said:
I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me. ...
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If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed SD and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.
 
DR.D said:
If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed superdrol and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DR.D again.
 
funny how many guys jumped in here sayin :wtf: in only 3 hours or less and this topic went to 3 pages like nothin.... if it was pub this guy wanted he got it but id sure say it didnt have the effects he wanted, spec when he attacks a pillar of our board with no rational. lol word up to the Doc.:afro:
 
So many ppl jumped in b/c THE_ROSS, aka THE_MIND_OF_ROSS, aka, TheJackedJew, ad infinitum, is probably the most annoying troll on all of the forums and nobody can stand him.

He thinks because he learned about PubMed's existence and can do a few searches that he's some genius, despite the fact that he doesn't have the education to properly interpret the research he's digging up on PubMed.
 
poopypants said:
not a whole ton of data but good logs from good members as well as the fact im sure the Doc wouldnt advocate the use of this if it were harmeful and def wouldnt be doin it for "money" since it would require less of the same product used along a longer period of time and the lack of needin a serm sold by the same sister company whos supp this protocol was initially designed for..... i just was saying he had a bad way of getting his point across and it quickly turned from "helping the people" to "the whole point is discrediting and calling out D".... shmuck sounds like hes got freinds whoes names are usually referred to with 2 lettes...... ill let you guys figure that one out.
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At the time of my posting, I wasn't totally sure that this thread was just someone being a dumb***, and I wanted to make the point clear that there isn't much of anything you can post to disprove Dr. D's Pulsing Theory (since there's not enough data to say for certain how pulsing compares) before things got heated.
 
DR.D said:
If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed superdrol and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.
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Thank you for the civil response.

I have a lot of respect for IBE and i am more than aware you have helped numerous members on different boards, including myself.

i do not claim to know more than you about epistane, i am just extremely averse to running anything less than a strong PCT for any steroid whatsoever. it is a safety and precautionary issue, not an attack on you or IBE.

If there is a safe oral to pulse, it seems epistane/havoc would be the perfect candidate. that being said, yo-yoing hormone levels could potentially be dangerous. For all we know, some may be perfectly capable of bouncing back from a pulse. Others might dig themselves further into a hormonal ditch with each "pulse".

Again, precaution.
 
jomi822 said:
Thank you for the civil response.

I have a lot of respect for IBE and i am more than aware you have helped numerous members on different boards, including myself.

i do not claim to know more than you about epistane, i am just extremely averse to running anything less than a strong post cycle therapy for any steroid whatsoever. it is a safety and precautionary issue, not an attack on you or IBE.

If there is a safe oral to pulse, it seems epistane/havoc would be the perfect candidate. that being said, yo-yoing hormone levels could potentially be dangerous. For all we know, some may be perfectly capable of bouncing back from a pulse. Others might dig themselves further into a hormonal ditch with each "pulse".

Again, precaution.
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Extremely well said.

Unfortunately, I think younger kids who either don't know sources for pct, understand the purpose of a pct, or simply never want to come off will learn the bare minimum and start to abuse the pulsing method.

For some, it is a good idea. However, i prefer to go all or nothing and then be "off" for a longer time than im "on". I definitely think the gains are better this way.
 
TheJackedJew said:
Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

The guy is wrong.
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>>>>OMG this is that Leonidas300 guy from BB isn't it :D<<<< Found to be incorrect but sure did sound like him


rep limiting system said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DR.D again.
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rep limiting system said:
You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.
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PULSING is NONSENSE.

My PHYSIQUE and my HEALTH speak volumes for themselves.

NO ONE has refuted the information that I provided in the opening article. People simply ATTACKED ME instead of attacking the real issue.

I have no intentions of staying here, I simply needed to DEMONSTRATE that this "Dr. D" has no clue. Pulsing is not an effective means of administering AAS.

I NEVER broke a single RULE here at AnabolicMinds. Why was I banned?

TheRossForums are coming soon!

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DR.D said:
If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed superdrol and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.
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When too many androgen receptors in the Hypothalamus become activated, the hypothalamus detects an INCREASE in the body's androgen level and responds accordingly by inhibiting natural testosterone production.

"Pulsing" does not eliminate NOR reduce HPTA detriment.

HOWEVER, there are many drugs that can be used in normal dosages and WILL NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN. Dianabol, Primobolan, Proviron and Turinabol are just a few.
 
Dr. John said:
It's horse crap. The study tells us nothing.

The problem in HPTA suppression is the hypothalamus is not producing LHRH. So how does exogenously providing it, and merely showing the pituitary is responding, prove anything?

HPTA serves the hypothalamus, NOT the pituitary.

Hint: Look at the varying actions, but similar results, of Clomid and Nolvadex.

Just another self-proclaimed Internet steroid "guru". Far too many of them around.
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You completely missed the boat.

The Hypothalamus signals the Pituitary.

You DO know that there is HUGE difference between PRIMARY hypogonadism and SECONDARY hypogonadism, right? :)

Furthermore, I was illustrating the fact that some steroids will barely inihibit endogenous testosterone production.
Do your reasearch buddy..:dance:
 
Ross said:
You completely missed the boat.

The Hypothalamus signals the Pituitary.

You DO know that there is HUGE difference between PRIMARY hypogonadism and SEONDARY hypogonadism, right? :)

Furthermore, I was illustrating the fact that some steroids will barely inihibit endogenous testosterone production.
Do your reasearch buddy..:dance:
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LOL!!

I'm not sure that comment deserves a response.

On a side note, I'm not sure how one's physique equates to knowledge; in fact, I'm quite sure it doesn't.
 
Ross said:
I NEVER broke a single RULE here at AnabolicMinds. Why was I banned?
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Oops, my finger must have slipped. Damn, it slipped again. See ya.

Ross said:
TheRossForums are coming soon!
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Let me know if you'd like me to pre-emptively ban you there as well. Even though it's your own forum, you're bound to get yourself banned somehow.
 
1. He's attacking Dr. D for giving bad info then he claims some steroids won't shut you down LOL ? He mentioned T-Bol and I've been shut down nicely on 50 mg of T-Bol before.

2. Never provided info to disprove the pulsating method.

OTOH, this did bring up some decent issues for me. What is the whole benefit to pulsing if you're planning long cycles of injectables with few spurts of orals in between ( Var & T-Bol ) followed by IGF in PCT and time off from cycles ?
 
Dr. John said:
Oh, never mind....
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I have to LOL at this one too. Because both of those posts made me spit my water out a little.

You speaking to him is like Wayne Gretzky trying to explain what a slap shot is. It's impossible without at least some requisite knowledge of physiology.
 
Ross said:
You completely missed the boat.

The Hypothalamus signals the Pituitary.

You DO know that there is HUGE difference between PRIMARY hypogonadism and SECONDARY hypogonadism, right? :)

Furthermore, I was illustrating the fact that some steroids will barely inihibit endogenous testosterone production.
Do your reasearch buddy..:dance:
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Since nobody has told him already (as he lurks the board trying to think of an umpteenth username), Dr.John is a licensed physician specializing in mens health.

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Lecturing him on anything HPTA related is like lecturing Einstein on the theory of relativity. lol.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Since nobody has told him already (as he lurks the board trying to think of an umpteenth username), Dr.John is a licensed physician specializing in mens health.

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Lecturing him on anything HPTA related is like lecturing Einstein on the theory of relativity. lol.
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Licensed physician? pffttt, look at Ross' physique! hes obviously a SUPER GENIUS!
 
Ross said:
... "Pulsing" does not eliminate NOR reduce HPTA detriment. ...
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All I have to ask is, have you ever tried it? I don't know that you are ever really qualified to have a valid opinion much less conclusion of anything until you do. Believe me fella, I don't recommend anything I have not already tried and characterized myself. I lived the pulse for my later teenage years and can say it works! My balls don't lie and my tset is high. ;)
 
I wanted to express my opinion on the whole "to pulse or not to pulse" discussion, to see if people are in agreeance with me.

First, I think it's very important to get one thing clear here with regards to pulsing. If you are a bodybuilder who's striving to add X number of lbs of LBM to your frame per year, to better yourself for competition, then the pulse method is not for you.

As far as I'm concerned, pulsing is a method better suited for an avid weight lifter, who also has goals in mind, but is far more flexable with regards to his weight training agenda. Some one who is looking to make gains slightly faster than those who are drug free, but is willing to accept a 5 lb. gain and still see that as a successful venture. Unlike a competitive bodybuilder who is looking more to maximize the possible gains yielded forth by a cycle, and with that, is using a cycle with far greater dosages and lengths of time.

Pulsing also appears to be better suited for someone who isn't looking to sacrifice his/her health for the sport. Some people training out there don't care about a drug's impact on their system. They want to grow and thats all their concerned with. For those individuals, they would be better suited with a cycling method that will produce results that meet their expectations. The pulse method isn't the answer for those individuals.

So needless to say, the "real world" feedback, thus so far, appears to be real positive. Some more cycles run in the pulse method, coupled with some posted healthy pre/post blood work, will only help to reinforce the positiveness. Also, I think once some people out there decide what it is that they want to achieve through this sport, and take into consideration what is truly realistic for them self (as far as what they could actually achieve for strength and muscle gain), more and more individuals may begin to see the benefit to pulsing versus other typical cycling methods.

In all honesty, if you're not going to be standing on stage or under a bar at a meet, then why go balls to the wall with your doses and cycle lengths?!?! Think about it!
 
I agree with your closing note; it's poor risk management to be planning/running any steroids cycles without any clear-cut motives or benefits from doing so. However, I think you're missing the point of pulsing: to avoid post-cycle therapy.

To say that it's not for the competative bodybuilder/powerlifter/athlete is a strong statement to be making, and at the moment there's not enough data to say that one method (cycling or pulsing) is superior over the other. Although pulsing will not be as yield as high of gains as a straight cycle, the cycle can also be run a little longer than usual, and the real kicker: NO PCT! For someone who cannot access the means of proper PCT, or someone who has poor success with proper PCT, this sounds like a great alternative.
 
Jmuls said:
In all honesty, if you're not going to be standing on stage or under a bar at a meet, then why go balls to the wall with your doses and cycle lengths?!?! Think about it!
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im sorry, but i dont really get what this "bar" is in reference to, if im anywhere near a bar its not gonna be under, itll be inside, possibly on the floor, and most likely near my own vomit.

i agree with the rest of your post though :thumbsup: and would say most of the reasons you stated are the ones id be looking into pulsing something like Epi / Havoc.
 
Though I am not a fan of pulsing the original poster's argument has several large holes in it.

Comparison of AAS to corticosteroids is completely invalid IMO. Different pathways, different objectives in using them and huge differences in their impact to, yes once again, very different portions of the endocrine system.

There's some broad statements made about peak blood levels and half lives. This has to be made more specific given the huge array of differences between AAS compounds themselves and the method of administration...ie one can't talk about short half lives of orals and compare them to long acting ester injectibles.

Not really taking a side here as I have no interest in bridging, cruising or pulsing. I tend to agree with Dr John that such things are not good ideas in the first place, however if one is going to make a strongly worded,capitalized and highlighted argument of this nature..one should have their ducks in a row first.
 
thesinner said:
I agree with your closing note; it's poor risk management to be planning/running any steroids cycles without any clear-cut motives or benefits from doing so. However, I think you're missing the point of pulsing: to avoid post-cycle therapy.

To say that it's not for the competative bodybuilder/powerlifter/athlete is a strong statement to be making, and at the moment there's not enough data to say that one method (cycling or pulsing) is superior over the other. Although pulsing will not be as yield as high of gains as a straight cycle, the cycle can also be run a little longer than usual, and the real kicker: NO post cycle therapy! For someone who cannot access the means of proper post cycle therapy, or someone who has poor success with proper PCT, this sounds like a great alternative.
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I wasn't missing the point with regards to pulsing allowing one to avoid post-cycle therapy, I just didn't discuss it in my post. Though if you go back and read D's posts about pulsing, you'll see him make comment after comment with regards to pulsing being much more liver-friendly in comparison to standard cycling.
 
Minus83 said:
im sorry, but i dont really get what this "bar" is in reference to, if im anywhere near a bar its not gonna be under, itll be inside, possibly on the floor, and most likely near my own vomit.

i agree with the rest of your post though :thumbsup: and would say most of the reasons you stated are the ones id be looking into pulsing something like Epi / Havoc.
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Under a "bar" is a reference to being under a "bar"bell while performing a squat or bench press. Go have another!!!:drunk:
 
Jmuls said:
I wanted to express my opinion on the whole "to pulse or not to pulse" discussion, to see if people are in agreeance with me.

First, I think it's very important to get one thing clear here with regards to pulsing. If you are a bodybuilder who's striving to add X number of lbs of LBM to your frame per year, to better yourself for competition, then the pulse method is not for you.

As far as I'm concerned, pulsing is a method better suited for an avid weight lifter, who also has goals in mind, but is far more flexable with regards to his weight training agenda. Some one who is looking to make gains slightly faster than those who are drug free, but is willing to accept a 5 lb. gain and still see that as a successful venture. Unlike a competitive bodybuilder who is looking more to maximize the possible gains yielded forth by a cycle, and with that, is using a cycle with far greater dosages and lengths of time.

Pulsing also appears to be better suited for someone who isn't looking to sacrifice his/her health for the sport. Some people training out there don't care about a drug's impact on their system. They want to grow and thats all their concerned with. For those individuals, they would be better suited with a cycling method that will produce results that meet their expectations. The pulse method isn't the answer for those individuals.

So needless to say, the "real world" feedback, thus so far, appears to be real positive. Some more cycles run in the pulse method, coupled with some posted healthy pre/post blood work, will only help to reinforce the positiveness. Also, I think once some people out there decide what it is that they want to achieve through this sport, and take into consideration what is truly realistic for them self (as far as what they could actually achieve for strength and muscle gain), more and more individuals may begin to see the benefit to pulsing versus other typical cycling methods.

In all honesty, if you're not going to be standing on stage or under a bar at a meet, then why go balls to the wall with your doses and cycle lengths?!?! Think about it!
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That covers the pertinents right there. :thumbsup:
 
Geat read, very entertaining and informative. Pulsing sounds like a great idea to me. Reps D.
 
I go ahead and critique both,pulsing isn't new, or just with antibiotics and corts. Went to a few doctors about the idea. Birth control has been a pulse method being used for years with few sides and long term problems. Burn and severe trauma patients have received pulsed anabolics to prevent tissue loss. But one day on one day off or 3days a week m,w,f or even two on and two off over time won't allow enough down time to prevent shutdown(what most people are trying to avoid) none of the doctors would give recommendations on how to pulse but did mention you would want twice as much dime off as on and keep cycles very short kind of a 4 on 8 off or 7 on 14off with a few days of tapering down.
 
unless you went to doctors who specialize in anabolic/androgenic steroids, those doctors you talked to are most likely just going along with what ever sounds the safest.

most regular doctors have zero knowledge on aas.

i dont know much about birth control, but I do know the girls i slept with that took it, had to take it every day.

basically from what i can tell, as of right now, it is just a difference of opinion, as neither side has any actual data on the benifits or disadvantages of pulsing anabolic androgenic steroids.

but there is alot of data on using steroids in the manner they were ment to be used, as well as in supraphysiological dosages.

i've also never heard of burn victims being given high dosages of anavar every other day. I believe 10-20mg in the med community is the rec dosage for patients everyday.
 
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