IBE is in TROUBLE!!!!!!!
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DAdams91982
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Sam traded a player and 2 draft picks but the player didn't pass the physical so the trade was nullified.
So your saying Jay is a "Catcher?"
Adams
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
So your saying Jay is a "Catcher?"
Adams
You had to ruin a perfectly good sports analogy didn't you...and on Easter.
:nono:
DAdams91982
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You had to ruin a perfectly good sports analogy didn't you...and on Easter.
:nono:
Hahaha... good call... I Recant the previous statement.
So how about those Curling Championships???
Adams
1Fast400
Well-known member
This is what D does when he's up against the wall. Notice, not a SINGLE thing was done to refute all the comments about how and why they never tested this stuff.
I would ask D if he would "allow" me to post the results when I get them. But according to him he has no say in what IBE does (hence why they aren't posting their results). D, can you give me the email to someone at IBE so when I do get the results, I'll make sure they are the first ones to get them.
I would ask D if he would "allow" me to post the results when I get them. But according to him he has no say in what IBE does (hence why they aren't posting their results). D, can you give me the email to someone at IBE so when I do get the results, I'll make sure they are the first ones to get them.
1Fast400
Well-known member
I also hate to tell you guys this, but Primaforce and IBE aren't even in the same category of companies. You have a commodity based company with world wide distribution, QC standards and insurance on all our products. IBE has VERY limited distribution, no world market, no insurance and no QC program that we've seen (primaforce has posted their lab results on bb.com). As I've posted a few times, the market in this industry is huge. The only "competition" is to yourself. Message boards make up a small portion of total consumers.
You will never see primaforce come out with a drug like IBE, trust me.
You will never see primaforce come out with a drug like IBE, trust me.
jomi822
Banned
MKII cheat? hell yea. FIGHT!
supersoldier
She thinks my traps'rrrr sexy!
Contra?:think:
DAdams91982
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mmowry
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up,down,up,down,left,right,left,right,B,A,start
or was that Super Mario brothers ?
anabolicrhino
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These are all commendable actions and you are an honorable man
However, the difference between the regular supplement industry and the fitness industry is primacy and timing.
The market turns on a single thread on a board. What's hot today may be dead in a month or two.
There is a pressure to deliver immediately at the peak of interest.
If a smaller company misses this timing point because of delays in testing or customs, then they are left out of the profit party.
The actual monetary cost of testing is minimal, but an extra month of back orders on pre-paid credit cards can cause a panic
That panic can lead to a run of cancellations or complaints to the credit card company who could shut down the payment process.
Ethical or not if a company just ships an untested product they at least avoid the cancellations and credit card company interference. Then they can go into damage control mode as the products fail (ie free stuff, store credits, t-shirts)
Business ethics are secondary to survival.
fake it till you make it, you can always be ethical next time !
RoadBlocK
Well-known member
Cmon
OMG Damn, do you really believe all your own bull****! You talk alot about qc and business like the world is perfect and mistakes cant happen in a time when we all have seen poisened dog food and treats, bad baby formula, tainted tylenol and lettuce. Primaforc could easily have a disgrunteled employee who decides one day to take a dump in the cee powder, then pf would always be know as having shi-tty creatine.
I tried to stay neutral and not prejudge anyone or take sides because I wanted to ****ING know if there was RAT POISON or DOG **** is any of this stuff.
I dont know IBE, I dont know RPN, and I dont know YOU, but it really looks alot like you got a huge chip against ibe or at the very least some kind of hidden agenda.
And finally, stop with the drug references, like its a bad thing that you wouldnt do. You wrote about legalities previously, and thats fine, but if the laws changed today, you'd be first online tomorrow with your old friends at the chem houses to start cashing in.
OMG Damn, do you really believe all your own bull****! You talk alot about qc and business like the world is perfect and mistakes cant happen in a time when we all have seen poisened dog food and treats, bad baby formula, tainted tylenol and lettuce. Primaforc could easily have a disgrunteled employee who decides one day to take a dump in the cee powder, then pf would always be know as having shi-tty creatine.
I tried to stay neutral and not prejudge anyone or take sides because I wanted to ****ING know if there was RAT POISON or DOG **** is any of this stuff.
I dont know IBE, I dont know RPN, and I dont know YOU, but it really looks alot like you got a huge chip against ibe or at the very least some kind of hidden agenda.
And finally, stop with the drug references, like its a bad thing that you wouldnt do. You wrote about legalities previously, and thats fine, but if the laws changed today, you'd be first online tomorrow with your old friends at the chem houses to start cashing in.
1Fast400
Well-known member
You're exactly right. The world isn't perfect. Anything can go wrong. That is why you implement a QC program in an attempt to prevent this. Do you not agree that it is a good idea for the ingredients to be tested that go into the bottle of stuff you take?
You don't know the story. Go read before posting, it will explain a lot. Heaven forbid someone read a thread before posting.
I sold PH when they were LEGAL. There is a VERY big difference in selling things during a time when they are legal vs when they are ILLEGAL. If it were LEGAL to sell these types of products, you damn right I'd be selling them, but they aren't.
Once again, do some research before posting.
friction515
Member
So you are finding in your heart to mention that this **** should not be sold. You're a saint cause you paid tons of money to try and stop them from becoming illegal. Yet you have to constantly point out that they are now not legal.
Primaforces market would'nt grow at all if hormone sales like this completely got wiped out and non-hormonal products were the only thing available for people who do not want to go the straight up black market route.
Primaforces market would'nt grow at all if hormone sales like this completely got wiped out and non-hormonal products were the only thing available for people who do not want to go the straight up black market route.
friction515
Member
I've said alot of times I don't trust anyone in this mess. To tell you the truth I did a full cycle of epistane I am on post cycle now. I have a bottle of havoc sitting on my desk and I will do that in a couple months. I don't really even care anymore the epistane worked I see in tons of threads that the Havoc works. Even if we know that this is exactly what it says on the bottle there is no guarentee that it truly has no long term effects. There havent been any studies done. I see that this seems never to be coming to an end and feels like a huge waste of time.
I can be civil with you Mike but your self rightousness is quite boring and and does not further prove anything you say.
Dr.D IBE is a sponsor and they are selling Epistane last I recalled. At least when it was in stock.
Again with all this drama I just find myself wishing I had never seen one of these threads in the first place.
I can be civil with you Mike but your self rightousness is quite boring and and does not further prove anything you say.
Dr.D IBE is a sponsor and they are selling Epistane last I recalled. At least when it was in stock.
Again with all this drama I just find myself wishing I had never seen one of these threads in the first place.
1Fast400
Well-known member
My livelyhood is from this industry. The last thing I want is for our industry to get regulated beyond belief. When you have companies doing stupid crap, that is what happens. The FDA/DEA comes in, makes an example out of someone, then some hardass in congress decides to "save" the children during an election year and we're all screwed. A fly by night like IBE doesn't care. They'll simply lay low, start another company selling illegal compounds still they eventually get pinched. If you're going to sell stuff that isn't legal, for christ sakes, at least do what you can to minimize your infractions. Since this stuff wasn't tested, imagine if it would have been pure testosterone in that bottle. Then every person that bought a bottle is now breaking laws. I'm sure you'd be all "bro-loving" of IBE somehow caused you to get into trouble with the law.
If you guys want drugs, buy them off the black market. You guys buy this crap for the mental comfort of thinking it is "legal".
Consider that primaforce started during the PH market and sales have at least doubled every year for 3 years, it won't matter. People are jumping from Pro Hormones to Alcar and Glutamine. If anything, primaforce see's a decrease in sales if/when these products go away. I would explain how that happens, but I'm honestly tired of typing and I'm hungry.
bigblank69
Board Supporter
I think a rep is in order for the big cheese.
friction515
Member
No way, you stop messing with me, ohhh you.
I just wish you would voluntarily stop pretending like anything you have to say matters to anyone except yourself until we see those lab results.
jmh80
Well-known member
Mike - I'll drop you a line with some addy's.
Please refrain (for me) from referring to IBE as fly by night. Lest I be force to refer to the whole supplement industry as fly by night.
Thanks.
1Fast400
Well-known member
Fly by night to me is anyone under 3 million on sales. The odds that IBE is doing more than that, well, it's not happening. At least not right now. IBE has potential, everyone does, just gotta clean your act up.
I'm willing to bet 100 bucks that IBE is going to say they don't want me to post the results. Good things I have the threads printed and saved where they said I could
I'm willing to bet 100 bucks that IBE is going to say they don't want me to post the results. Good things I have the threads printed and saved where they said I could
Moyer
board observer
:think:
WTF makes Epistane/Havoc any more legal than PheraPlex or Halodrol or Methoxy TST?
jmh80
Well-known member
Bah!
My little plant makes 1.5+ million a day in profit (that's after paying everyone's salaries and utility costs).
I found a problem a few weeks ago that saved a 3 day shut-down (4.5+ million bucks).
Chump change bruh. Chump change.
:hammer:
I'm just f'ing with ya Mike - a PM is on your way.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
The fact that it has not been individually recognized and therefore scheduled yet. The Act just has the blanket ability to schedule anything falling under the guidelines, it however, needs to see it first.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Okay, well I do have a few questions then. Why is it still legal?Why did you take seven days, and not six to create the earth? And what is the meaning to life?
friction515
Member
If your referring to the analogue substance act you're the one who's wrong. Analogues are only prosecutable if they are analagous to a schedule 1 or 2 controlled substance. Steroids are Schedule 3 so they do not follow under this act.
However I did find this but it is slightly ambiguous because these new compounds are not salts of any existing steroids nor are they isomers nor are they specifically "esters" so I think it is open for interpretation. In looking at the last paragraph.
(4) The term anabolic steroid means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, and corticosteroids) that promotes muscle growth, and includes:
(i) Boldenone
(ii) Chlorotestosterone (4-chlortestosterone)
(iii) Clostebol
(iv) Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone
(v) Dihydrotestosterone (4-dihydrotestosterone)
(vi) Drostanolone
(vii) Ethylestrenol
(viii) Fluoxymesterone
(ix) Formebulone (formebolone)
(x) Mesterolone
(xi) Methandienone
(xii) Methandranone
(xiii) Methandriol
(xiv) Methandrostenolone
(xv) Methenolone
(xvi) Methyltestosterone
(xvii) Mibolerone
(xviii) Nandrolone
(xix) Norethandrolone
(xx) Oxandrolone
(xxi) Oxymesterone
(xxii) Oxymetholone
(xxiii) Stanolone
(xxiv) Stanozolol
(xxv) Testolactone
(xxvi) Testosterone
(xxvii) Trenbolone
(xxviii) Any salt, ester, or isomer of a drug or substance described or listed in this paragraph, if that salt, ester, or isomer promotes muscle growth. Except such term does not include an anabolic steroid which is expressly intended for administration through implants to cattle or other nonhuman species and which has been approved by the Secretary of Health and Human Services for such administration. If any person prescribes, dispenses, or distributes such steroid for human use, such person shall be considered to have prescribed, dispensed, or distributed an anabolic steroid within the meaning of this paragraph.
1Fast400
Well-known member
Friction, you don't read, so I refuse to post in response to anything you say. I've stated what has to be done for a new marketed compound to be released, you either didn't read it or didn't understand.
It's not legal, that's my point
Because the 6th day was saturday and I had to party
For poopy and friction to have a lovechild. Hopefully the child will have all 5 combined brain cells they share.
It's not legal, that's my point
Because the 6th day was saturday and I had to party
For poopy and friction to have a lovechild. Hopefully the child will have all 5 combined brain cells they share.
poopypants
Banned
Fly by night to me is anyone under 3 million on sales. The odds that IBE is doing more than that, well, it's not happening. At least not right now. IBE has potential, everyone does, just gotta clean your act up.
I'm willing to bet 100 bucks that IBE is going to say they don't want me to post the results. Good things I have the threads printed and saved where they said I could
so first just last page you said youd need permission just so you could personally attack D and now your saying that your lucky you saved the posts so you dont need permission.....1Fast400 said:
and we now take fly by night as exactly what you mean it to be and your word is law???
lets just say its obvious that you cant and or wont sell the questionable soon to be illegal substances cause you dont want to deal with it...... more like your NOT going to and in the mean time all of us would be spendin "YOUR" money with these companies. you figure now to go against what you once lobbied for and snuff out these "fly by night" competitors so we have no other choice but to turn to products like those that PF offers, knowing ful well YES we can always go black market but a majority will only buy whats legal leaving them to turn to you and like comps...
you can try to make it out to sound like this portion of the industry is minute but isnt this where YOU made your millions? you sold on the internet and worked with the boards to get where you are and now you want a bigger share.
this is absolutely rediculous and we all ask that until you have some SOLID proof and a result you not post as you are doing nothing here to help and are doing EVERYHTING you can to muddy others names and further your own self ambitions.
ill still be following this and will call BULL every time i see it MM as you can see others are doin the same, so hold your high and mightyness for the "OTHER" masses as we here @ AM arent as dumb and sheep like as youd like us to be. do let us know when you get your "results". thanks:yawn:
friction515
Member
I read the process that you stated. How do you know this was'nt done for these compounds. You're just insinuating this was not done per your process with no proof of that also.
So you go ahead and read the actual law and stop thinking your so great. Or you could go ahead and break the crayons out and show me how your right and everyone else in the entire universe is wrong and should bow to how amazing you are.
Do you not ever get tired of talking about how great you are? Don't you have something better to do anyway considering this is the aniversary of your ressurection.
Anyway you and your amazing IQ of 25 can go ahead and bash me cause I hit the sensative subject of questioning you. Which one should not do, because your obviously beyond question.
So you go ahead and read the actual law and stop thinking your so great. Or you could go ahead and break the crayons out and show me how your right and everyone else in the entire universe is wrong and should bow to how amazing you are.
Do you not ever get tired of talking about how great you are? Don't you have something better to do anyway considering this is the aniversary of your ressurection.
Anyway you and your amazing IQ of 25 can go ahead and bash me cause I hit the sensative subject of questioning you. Which one should not do, because your obviously beyond question.
supersoldier
She thinks my traps'rrrr sexy!
:icon_lol:
friction515
Member
I um done dont be thnk muh grl wld liking me make baby with poopy.
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
True...but I know a few of us around here would pay to see him push one out.:gas:
friction515
Member
Thats just messed up :toofunny:
poopypants
Banned
well my kid aint due till the end of may so tickets go on sale 2 weeks before that.... too bad though i aint the one pushin it out.:woohoo: cant wait.
RoadBlocK
Well-known member
So condescending, but one last time for the fun of it ......
You've already made that clear by posting the same response a few times, no need to keep repeating it. My point was IF things changed, and at least you were honest enough to admit the truth on that point. I will give you credit for that.
Of course I want things tested and checked, the infamous ibe email, right or wrong, on page one talks about them improving their own QC. As a consumer, I want to get what I pay for, and I want to know theres no added surprises that may be harmful, toxic or fatal. If theres something truely dangerous thats not supposed to be in the bottle and you didnt disclose it, morally, shame on you.
Maybe I missed something in the 20 pages of posts, but you throw out digs at ibe in many posts and it clearly seems to go well beyond the epistane issue, and onto attacks against the company itself. Maybe their business practices are contrary to your own, but your anti-ibe sentiment is clear
Why didnt you test the stuff from Prometabolix, who supposidly put out substandard/underdosed product, how come you didnt choose to do testing on that companys bad product?
The email and the "insider information" you cant share was a trigger for you to take action right. Well the biggest problem I have is what else motivated you and I will never know. And also there was quite a bit of controversy when epistane/havoc first hit the market, then it died down a bit, now its back to the forefront again. If it wasnt for the fact that so many people are making gains off both epistane and havoc, I would think that there was some diabolical marketing strategy going on to sell these products as they both seem to be selling fairly well.
Ok then, Im all done, post your results, dont post them, maybe ibe will post their results, maybe they wont, I actually dont care anymore Ive wasted too much of my time reading the inane ramblings in this thread, trying to figure out all the scientific jargon and trying to figure out whos the liar, whos the cheat, whos the thief and whos the honest man. The next big thing will be along soon, besides the more I read, the more suspect I become, if thats even possible.
:yawn:
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
Don't lie to please me--I'm not paying you right now.You've got abs...if anyone looks like they'll be pushing out a baby soon its me. :sad:
friction515
Member
Hey guys just listen I have a my doctorate in absolutely nothing and I'm currently arguing scientific evidence because of my superior understanding of chemical theory. I also know everything about the law because I obviously know the law like the back of my hand. I spent millions of dollars to be superior so just let me talk about how great I am and why I'm write and your all wrong. I mean I'm super serial.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that was posted by 1fast somewhere I just can't seem to find it. Maybe he did'nt post that but it sounds so familiar.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that was posted by 1fast somewhere I just can't seem to find it. Maybe he did'nt post that but it sounds so familiar.
1Fast400
Well-known member
Because it would be funny for them to now claim that I can't post them (when I have proof of them saying it's ok). It's just more proof of them crossing their stories.
Um no. It was simply MY definition of it. I never said it was a universal definition. I know you normally need to be TOLD what to think, so this may seem confusing to you.
See this is why you're stupid. I've addressed this at 5:50 today in a previous post. I think the poop is in your eyes and you can't see your screen. It's the only thing that makese sense. There is nothing in the primaforce line that is going to steal market share away from epistane/similar type of products.
Once again, wouldn't I be going after ALL these types of products if my goal was to wipe out PH???? I know this is hard to understand poopnut, let it sink in
It got me started, but our non internet message board business was FAR larger than internet board business. That goes for ANY website once they get to a certain level of success.
Yawn, alston said monday is the day. Hopefully he gets it done.
Dude, you can't even FOLLOW this conversation. If you take you and friction out of this, who else is saying anything? You guys just pull the most random comments out of your ass, preaching as fact. It's really quite amazing. Then, when I tear you apart, quoting everything you say, you simply change subject.
friction515
Member
Show me where you tore me apart.
friction515
Member
Wait, you were questioned here with no response. You dont know the ****ing law so shut up. You keep coming on here acting great and trying to slur the people who show what a fool you are. You start with the personal attacks everytime. You make half statements that only insinuate facts that might or might not truly exist so blow me.
1Fast400
Well-known member
Why should I respost the SAME information again. Why don't you hit back a few pages and see the comments I made in regard of new compounds being marketing and how the FDA has to approve them.
Haven't you realized there is a REASON RPN hasn't sued IBE? It's because they BOTH know this stuff is illegal.
To start off, a compound has to be found in the food chain. I'm not aware of ANY proof that this compound is found in nature ANYWHERE. That ALONE makes it illegal.
Next case.
Haven't you realized there is a REASON RPN hasn't sued IBE? It's because they BOTH know this stuff is illegal.
To start off, a compound has to be found in the food chain. I'm not aware of ANY proof that this compound is found in nature ANYWHERE. That ALONE makes it illegal.
Next case.
friction515
Member
That only makes it illegal for human consumption. Not necessarily illegal to be made and distributed as shown in the law that I posted even in that law the salts and isomers and esters must be sold for human consumption for them to be considered illegal.
I know that they are selling them for human consumption and maybe that totally makes them illegal.
Do you know for a fact that they did'nt follow your process though? Do you have proof that they did'nt?
You can submit anything you want and you did state that if you havent heard back you can go ahead and produce and sell said product until they step in.
So back your statements up with fact or STFU.
Next case.
I know that they are selling them for human consumption and maybe that totally makes them illegal.
Do you know for a fact that they did'nt follow your process though? Do you have proof that they did'nt?
You can submit anything you want and you did state that if you havent heard back you can go ahead and produce and sell said product until they step in.
So back your statements up with fact or STFU.
Next case.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Hence, once it is known they are being sold as such they will be in the same class as SDrol, Phera, etc., While, as I said, the blanket law covers everything until this specific product is recognized to be sold as such it isn't technically illegal.
friction515
Member
And let me break my crayons out. "I read the process that you stated." Hey I wrote that. Maybe that means I don't have to go back a few pages and read the process you wrote since in the post that you did not read fully I already told you that.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
poopypants
Banned
wait earlier you said it was cause they didnt want to incurr court costs and lawyer fees, now its cause its illegal??? which is it? dont act like we cant remember and YES im to lazy to just quote you, wouldnt matter much though youd make another excuse and dismiss me as an idiot.... poopnut? take ya a long time and an asprin to come up with that one? lol have a nice day fast.
1Fast400
Well-known member
You guys make me laugh. Am I a lawyer, No. Here is what I know. This compound was brought to Rick Collins 1.5-2 years ago. Rick was asked by two companies if this compound would be legal to sell. Rick IS BY FAR the leader in this industry with the government and it's regulations regarding dietary supplements. Fieldstein that works with him defended ephedra for 8 years in congress. This is all they specialize in. Now, when Rick tells two people that this compound is NOT legal based on current US Law (which is why this compound wasn't released back then), that is good enough for me.
Something tells me if you go into court, you'd rather have Rick Collins on your side than a blue cartoon character named "friction"
Something tells me if you go into court, you'd rather have Rick Collins on your side than a blue cartoon character named "friction"
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