L-Glutamine and what else

[vince spider]

gluatamine supporter here!!!
b unit called out both gluatamine supporters and knockers to front up
heres some pics which shows some of my applied knowledge!!!

 

[thesinner]

gluatamine supporter here!!!
b unit called out both gluatamine supporters and knockers to front up
heres some pics which shows some of my applied knowledge!!!

Not to sound like the douche that I so totally am, but how does this prove.........much of anything? I mean props, you've got a decent build, but can you really credit all of that to the use of glutamine?

Studies have shown that glutamine is inert, meaning it has no effect on you (good or bad) whatsoever (when it comes to use in athletics). This being said, and provided you're doing everything else correctly, why wouldn't you get in great shape while taking glutamine. I think you guys are misinterpretting the arguement: it's not that you can't get in great shape while taking glutamine, but rather you're money would be better spent elsewhere. I mean, even Grexx has used glutamine, and he's f***ing massive. Does he think glutamine is the reason for all his success? Not in the least.

 

[doggzj]

If I came into this thread with no knowledge of Glutamine, all I'd have to do is compare the writing ability and arguements of Supporters Vs Non-Supporters to realize which side is correct.

The best way to get your point across is with a solid arguement and paragraphs. Good job guys! :cheers:

 

[doggzj]

I still have this PM from the clown dating back to 2004 when this topic came up all the time. This is the logical reason why some people feel they see results from Glutamine supplementation.

Bobo RE: Glutamine around workouts:

"Most of it destroyed in the stomach, the rest usually is converted into glucose via gluconeogenesis. If you take 50g of glutamine your are definetly increasing an energy substrate. So it could be that you are getting much more nutrients in the form of glucose when you bracket your workout and therefore you decrease catabolic activity. Thats off the top of my head.

I say if it works for you and you see a decrease in DOMS, use it. There are probably better options though in Free Form Amino's acids and BCAA's. If you used them you probably would get the same decrease in DOMS but better results in terms of anabolic activity."

I was a LONG TIME glutamine supporter. After this convo I replaced glutamine with BCAAs and extra carbs Pre/During workout. I haven't taken glutamine since.

 

[workin2005]

:duel:

Workin

 

[Mike Combs]

If you wanna call me out - then just man the f*ck up, grow some balls, and say "hey Jmh80 - look, you've got Marzia in your av and most of your posts make you seem like a pencil-necked geek that watches Star Wars all day so I think you are really about 115 lbs with 8" arms and no d*ck and balls".
I won't get all pissy and sh*t - I'm not a woman.
But, as Ice Cube said - best check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.

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Now - those pics are from a while ago. You could accuse me of porking up and/or losing all the mass I accumulated.
I was at 167 lbs yesterday - not sure what my measurements are. So - I'd have had to totally reverse recomp myself since the end of TST/TRN to remain at 167 (at 5'11") and be a fat azz and have no muscle.
Far cry from the 130 lbs I was at when I started lifting weights (that was at 17 years old - I say 140 lbs in the thread at 20 years old).

Biceps still have the peak that Glen liked.


If you want to dispute my abilities to asses knowledge or science - then go right ahead.
I can scan my diploma from college. It says "Jmh80 - Summa Cum Laude graduate in Chemical Engineering with a minor in Materials Science and Engineering".
I'll scan what's right beside that in a drawer in my desk - the plaque that says "Jmh80 - THE top graduate in the whole damn college in 2004" (aka out of 2500+ students).

I say bull-f*cking-sh*t on anyone's assessment of applied knowledge.
For all I know, everyone else's design and implementation of experiment is full of sh*t. You could have took M1T and 4-AD with that kilo of glutamine for all I know and said your results were from glutamine.
If you want something done right - do it yourself.


Now - I'm telling you (and everyone else) that I haven't seen sh*t from glutamine (be it peptide form or free form). That term (sh*t) is quite technical also.


Alright - I'm going to bed - I've become quite surely in my demeanor.

now that was a whole lot of nothing:whiner:

 

[FYI777]

That pretty much says it all...I don't dispute that ppl feel better using glutamine, just realize what mechanisms are at play before you argue that it's a miracle supplement. IMO it may be possible that the ppl who see "results" from glutamine may have lower base levels of plasma glutamine, and supplementing with it raises them up to a healthy range...who knows? Regardless, most protein powders will supply you with plenty of glutamine. That being said, there is no harm in taking what you have already purchased.

Yes I definitely agree here. Some PPL like myself may not down enough protein shakes for full saturation of glutamine stores so supplemental glutamine seems helpful for recovery(right after WO).Other times of day less useful.

Heard L-Glutamine helpful for alcoholics also, decreasing cravings for alcohol ,ect.

Oral L-glutamine increases GABA levels in striatal tissue and extracellular fluid
Lei Wang, Timothy J. Maher, and Richard J. Wurtman

We explored the possibility that circulating glutamine affects -aminobutyric acid (GABA) levels in rat striatal tissue and GABA concentrations in striatal extracellular fluid (ECF). Striatal microdialysates, each collected over a 20 min interval, were obtained after no treatment, oral L-glutamine (0.5 g/kg), or glutamine followed by NMDA (administered via the microdialysis probe). GABA concentrations were measured by HPLC using a stable OPA/sulfite precolumn derivatization and an electrochemical detection method. L-Glutamine administration significantly increased ECF GABA concentrations by 30%, and enhanced the response evoked by NMDA alone (70%) to 120% over baseline (all P<0.05). Striatal GABA levels increased significantly 2.5 h after oral L-glutamine (e.g., from 1.76 ± 0.04 µmol/g in vehicle-treated rats to 2.00 ± 0.15 µmol/g in those receiving 2.0 g/kg of glutamine). Striatal glutamine levels also increased significantly, but not those of glutamate. These data suggest that GABA synthesis in, and release from, rat striatum may be regulated in part by circulating glutamine. Hence, glutamine administration may provide a useful adjunct for treating disorders (e.g., anxiety, seizures) when enhanced GABAergic transmission is desired. Moreover, the elevation in plasma and brain glutamine associated with hepatic failure may, by increasing brain GABA release, produce some of the manifestations of hepatic encephalopathy.--Wang, L., Maher, T. J., Wurtman, R. J. Oral L-glutamine increases GABA levels in striatal tissue and extracellular fluid.

another one:

REVERSAL OF ALCOHOL TOXICITY BY GLUTAMINE
Joanne M. Ravel, Barbara Felsing, Edwin M. Lansford, Jr., Robert H. Trubey, and William Shive
J. Biol. Chem., Jun 1955; 214: 497 - 501.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Hmmm, everyone's pics are just outstanding but as already stated, it doesn't mean your success was from the use of Glutamine. Even though he's my boss i'll have to still stick with Bobo's reasoning behind the effectiveness of Glutamine in the bodybuilder's supplement cabinet.

The only 'for' arguements for glut are completely filled with the way they feel yet the 'against' are filled with studies after studies backing them up.

By all means, go ahead and keep using it if you feel the need to. Just don't get frustrated because people find it hard to believe that you made all your gains from glut but you were supping with a half dozen other drugs as well.

 

[vince spider]

NO DRUGS HERE!!!!:bb3:

 

[vince spider]

just supplements!!!!

 

[Jayhawkk]

Drugs/supplements I use the term in a broad way to cover anything over food used Sorry for the confusion.