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Hyde said:
How do you feel? Still alternating 7 & 8mg each morning?

Nothing looking worrisome that I can see. Platelets are on the low end, but pretty optimal otherwise.
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Yes, still alternating. I’m still waiting on the testosterone and e2 results, but this is where I am…

Sleeping well (for me, 6-7 hours), restful.
Anxiety fairly controlled.
Water retention low-mid.
Achy, mildly weakened.
Mood fine (unless kcal too low).
Libido fair.

I can feel every old injury I’ve ever had. Training recovery is slow (constant mild muscle aches/soreness). I’m going to guess my free test is right near the middle, or slightly above middle, unlike when I’m feeling strong in the gym and great recovery/no aches at 8mg daily. We’ll see.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Yes, still alternating. I’m still waiting on the testosterone and e2 results, but this is where I am…

Sleeping well (for me, 6-7 hours), restful.
Anxiety fairly controlled.
Water retention low-mid.
Achy, mildly weakened.
Mood fine (unless kcal too low).
Libido fair.

I can feel every old injury I’ve ever had. Training recovery is slow (constant mild muscle aches/soreness). I’m going to guess my free test is right near the middle, or slightly above middle, unlike when I’m feeling strong in the gym and great recovery/no aches at 8mg daily. We’ll see.
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If you take 8 daily, does anything take a hit besides some elevation of hemoglobin/crit?

Perhaps DHEA could possibly be an option if you just need a bit more water/padding but don’t want to go to 8mg daily? You get more estrogen primarily, but also some neurosteroid drive on positivity & mental faculties slightly (without increasing blood thickness). This assuming DHEA isn’t already top of range.

Could just put a small squirt of XPG DHEA on the top of one of your feet/shin each morning, alternating sides.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Sleeping well (for me, 6-7 hours), restful.
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do you see any difference with the change in the seasons? DST kinda screws with me because my normal 8:30pm routine bed time has been pushed to 9:30 (hard to go to sleep when its still full daylight out) but the alarm clock at 4:30am is harder now ironically lol.
 
Hyde said:
If you take 8 daily, does anything take a hit besides some elevation of hemoglobin/crit?

Perhaps DHEA could possibly be an option if you just need a bit more water/padding but don’t want to go to 8mg daily? You get more estrogen primarily, but also some neurosteroid drive on positivity & mental faculties slightly (without increasing blood thickness). This assuming DHEA isn’t already top of range.

Could just put a small squirt of XPG DHEA on the top of one of your feet/shin each morning, alternating sides.
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I’m not sure if 8mg daily messes with my sleep anymore, but a couple months ago I would’ve said sleep. I’ve never done 8mg daily with calories this high (only 200-300kcal deficit usually now), so I don’t know what would happen really. 500kcal deficit plus 8mg daily means BAD sleep.

I bought the oral DHEA caps, or maybe it was sublingual, like you recommended a few months ago, but haven’t mustered up the juevos yet. That’s back on the menu now, just need to man up. Previously, dhea gave me awful brain fog/lightheadedness, but, many other things are improved now so it may be time. My dhea levels are confirmed low also.

Edit: I also reflux water alternating 7/8mg daily or anything below. I rarely notice it with food, and very rarely acid reflux, but at 8mg daily it never happens.
 
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Dustin07 said:
do you see any difference with the change in the seasons? DST kinda screws with me because my normal 8:30pm routine bed time has been pushed to 9:30 (hard to go to sleep when its still full daylight out) but the alarm clock at 4:30am is harder now ironically lol.
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Nah. Going to sleep is usually fine no matter what outside looks like, it’s just waking up too early. Unless, like I described above, if 8mg daily, and 500kcal deficit, I start crashing at 8pm, and if I fall asleep on the couch and wake back up at 9 or so, I’ll be stuck awake until 12am, then up at 4am anyway.
 
oh yeah thats a rough cycle. I could see waking up at say 3:30am and just making it a normal routine for whatever. coffee, bible reading etc. but being up in that weird time between midnight and 2am is no bueno. My folks are in a hardcore routine. usually up like 3-3:30am and bed between 7-8pm lol. not much can stand between them and that routine. during winter, early to bed is easy for me, but right now we have some long days.
 
Dustin07 said:
oh yeah thats a rough cycle. I could see waking up at say 3:30am and just making it a normal routine for whatever. coffee, bible reading etc. but being up in that weird time between midnight and 2am is no bueno. My folks are in a hardcore routine. usually up like 3-3:30am and bed between 7-8pm lol. not much can stand between them and that routine. during winter, early to bed is easy for me, but right now we have some long days.
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Yeah, at our age, real life prevents a 8pm bed time. In addition, going to bed at 8pm then waking up at 3am wouldn’t solve the rest of “wired and tired” feeling that goes with it. It’s not a natural rhythm if you know what I mean.

Edited: stupid autocorrect. I meant going to bed earlier would NOT solve wired and tired.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
Yeah, at our age, real life prevents a 8pm bed time. In addition, going to bed at 8pm then waking up at 3am would solve the rest of “wired and tired” feeling that goes with it. It’s not a natural rhythm if you know what I mean.
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yup I get it. winter time here its dark by 4pm so going to bed between 8-8:30 is easy for me. in the spring, the sun is cresting about the time I wake up anyways so its the perfect rhythm. but then we get into daylight savings time. nights get longer before the mornings get earlier and it gets harder to sync up for me. I do love long days, I just wish we didn't do DST.
 
Dustin07 said:
yup I get it. winter time here its dark by 4pm so going to bed between 8-8:30 is easy for me. in the spring, the sun is cresting about the time I wake up anyways so its the perfect rhythm. but then we get into daylight savings time. nights get longer before the mornings get earlier and it gets harder to sync up for me. I do love long days, I just wish we didn't do DST.
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Check edit. Autocorrect fails.
 
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