GreenMachineX
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Wow. Scrolling back through this thread with “ignore” activated sure looks different 
Donald Trump running for president
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BamBam54
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Hyundai is definitely moving production to the US as a result of the Tariffs.
sammpedd88
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It sure does!Wow. Scrolling back through this thread with “ignore” activated sure looks different
Dustin07
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He caved because your stock market plummeted. That's no art of the deal. Republicans will do anything to spin huge loses as wins, as long as it was Trump who created the issue
wrong again. the most severe dips you see here are during Bidens term.
After a massively overheated market pump post Nov 5th, where RSI showed massively overbought in all markets, including crypto, there was a period of consolidation until RSI showed oversold, then things began growing again.
Like always in markets, the indicators and charts for overbought/oversold are always there waiting on the justification from any news source to make their move.
Dustin07
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I almost did the same thing lolWow. Scrolling back through this thread with “ignore” activated sure looks different
GreenMachineX
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Yeah, it’s clearly rage bait and I will no longer fall for it.
BamBam54
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Never pass the opportunity to kick a liberal globalist/marxist when they are down... the more rage the better
BamBam54
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Yuge list of pharmaceutical companies moving plants to the US as a result of Trump tariffs.
The important thing is that we reshore critical manufacturing like drugs, chips, and heavy industry we would need here both for economy/jobs and for a national emergency like global war. Never forget the covid era chip shortages!
And as Ross Perot famously said - "you make more money making computer chips than potato chips"
The important thing is that we reshore critical manufacturing like drugs, chips, and heavy industry we would need here both for economy/jobs and for a national emergency like global war. Never forget the covid era chip shortages!
And as Ross Perot famously said - "you make more money making computer chips than potato chips"
Jiigzz
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Global markets around the world tumble in that same period. See the attached image - Aussie stock exchange didn't drop due to Biden, the global economy was tanked.
The difference is, now we can literally pinpoint Trump as being the reason they tumbled this year.
I mean, denying that is literally ignoring what is in front of you.
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Jiigzz
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Ah, that's cool. One model of Hyundai.
Dustin07
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you ignored my entire post, or simply didn't understand it.
GreenMachineX
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Exactly why I hit the “ignore button”.
ax1
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While Trump did chaos alot of chaos and uncertainty going around like a little dictator trying to run the economy and slapping taxes on everybody without congressional approval, the stock markets have been on a roar and we are just touching the 200MA on the S&P 500.
I think we are going to hit all time highs soon.....and I do think a recession is possible down the road just dont know when, but not before one last roar imo.
We are in a "V" shaped recovery.
Jiigzz
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Didn't ignore anything - you compared two different situations.
The global economy tanked 2-3 years ago. Not Bidens fault that it did, it was crap everywhere.
The global economy tanked this year as a direct result of Trump.
It was bad under Biden, but if people were complaining about things being expensive under Biden, how exactly do tariffs fix that for you?
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Jiigzz
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Never pass the opportunity to kick a liberal globalist/marxist when they are down... the more rage the better
Ain't noone raging here
I think the only one who has been getting personal is you Tunaking14
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Just the beginning Nancy boy!
Renew1
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Wow. Scrolling back through this thread with “ignore” activated sure looks different
Yep!
SBH
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I had to get rid of bidenbotboi too
sammpedd88
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Jiigzz
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If it works, then that's a good thing. I think under it all, trying to bring back manufacturing to the states, for your own sake, is a good move. But I do question whether tanking the global economy was the right way to do it lol
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ax1
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What they are doing is catering to one segment of society since they have the bigger voices and hurting another who have been silence since they have been working all along and now going to hurt middle class and even small time businesses that both import and export to create the illusion that government is helping people. Its not fair, and its anti-free market to big brother engineer the economy and work force.
Also, there is alot of hypocrisy, if the tariffs were to force manufacturing back in the USA and make everything "Made in USA" why in the blue heck would the tariffs be negotiable and then celabrate "we made a deal" all nonesense.
Plus all the loopholes and favors being put in to the "bigs" its all corrupted and the little sheep need to forever slave themselves for someone to put food on the table.
I am so sick of of all it, big government needs to go to hell.
ax1
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All your doing is taking away the power away from the consumer and private businesses away to the power of authoritarian government to decide what is free trade or not. I’d rather keep that to the people rather than Big Daddy and screwing one group businesses to appease the other. That’s not fair.
Allow the free markets here to decide where the manufacturing should take place, that invigorates competition, lowers costs even if international production. Government engineering the types of jobs we must have or punishing consumers with the choices they make is immoral.
ax1
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I would also argue, maybe they should pay them 25 cents an hour, or 5 cents an hour.... that would be better for American businesses and lower cost of goods for consumers, which = lowering the cost of life for us instead of living the past, but government wants to keep people down like sheep and slave labor themselves to death and make it harder to pull yourself out of the rat hole. Speaking from personal experience and my bias that I value freedom and liberty more than anything especially "security provided by government."
BamBam54
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C'mon. THINK a little bit. You can't cite "free market" principles competing against countries that have no free market at all. That is ridiculous. And THAT is "not fair" either. Actually worse....
In your logic, ALL of the manufacturing in America would leave for China and in an emergency (anyone remember Covid???) we would have no products AT ALL. NOTHING. Imagine even worse such as a war, if our adversary was our sole supply of all our life essentials??
You would give away the entire US industrial infrastructure for a cheap fidget spinner??? We would be a slave to China.
SURELY you must see this?!??!??! Or..... is that your secret plan? Hmmmmmm????
ax1
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So what you want is to abolish free market decision making here in the USA, and effectively everywhere by punishing businesses and consumers from making their own decisions in exchange of big government communism making those decisions for you, and making it harder for smaller businesses to thrive so people work in coal mines instead, Ill pass.C'mon. THINK a little bit. You can't cite "free market" principles competing against countries that have no free market at all. That is ridiculous. And THAT is "not fair" either. Actually worse....
In your logic, ALL of the manufacturing in America would leave for China and in an emergency (anyone remember Covid???) we would have no products AT ALL. NOTHING. Imagine even worse such as a war, if our adversary was our sole supply of all our life essentials??
You would give away the entire US industrial infrastructure for a cheap fidget spinner??? We would be a slave to China.
SURELY you must see this?!??!??! Or..... is that your secret plan? Hmmmmmm????
Covid products? Like what, masks? LMFAO
The only reason we have adversaries is do to the failed big government corrupt military industrial complex foreign policies of Republicrats and Demicans, another reason both those parties must be abolished from power.
ax1
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If your truly worried about stuff such as pharmaceuticals you would re-invigorate products with policies on just that if thats your cup of tea and you like big government interventionism. First of all, big pharma runs Trump, we already saw that in 2020 so I have ZERO trust....but lets go along with that....abolish punishing productive behaviors, eliminate all income taxes and stop punishing people and businesses big and small from going out and earning an income. Get government completely out of health care, period. Zero government health care and insurance (we dont have insurance in America, its all managed care) policies including meds, get them the hell out completely....make it cheaper for big pharma to do business in America, abolish the minimum wage, abolish SS and Medicare tax which further punishes businesses from doing their thing......etc....open the border (while abolishing government socialism including Trump's authoritarian socialist policies,) be open to allowing cheap "illegal" labor working here in the states to ensure production costs are as low as possible, lowering the cost of life for Americans not needing as much dependency on higher wages while not punishing them for earning it in the first place.C'mon. THINK a little bit. You can't cite "free market" principles competing against countries that have no free market at all. That is ridiculous. And THAT is "not fair" either. Actually worse....
In your logic, ALL of the manufacturing in America would leave for China and in an emergency (anyone remember Covid???) we would have no products AT ALL. NOTHING. Imagine even worse such as a war, if our adversary was our sole supply of all our life essentials??
You would give away the entire US industrial infrastructure for a cheap fidget spinner??? We would be a slave to China.
SURELY you must see this?!??!??! Or..... is that your secret plan? Hmmmmmm????
I mean there is a completely different approach to things while minimizing big government terrorism on our people here.
Government should be so small you barely notice it.
BamBam54
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Products we needed during covid, like medicines and computer chips. Duh! All that Libertarian hemp party stuff is making you forget. LOL
Tariffs should be used to equalize and offset wage rates and employee benefits. THAT creates more of a free market and fair trade on a global scale. Small businesses reliant on selling foreign sh1t are selling out America. Sell American stuff and tariffs have no effect. Maybe do what is best for the country rather than what is best for yourself. Think big picture instead of short term personal satisfaction.
Another reason we have adversaries is because some nutbags are religious extremists or communists or psychopaths and maybe want to rule or destroy the world. The Taliban would happily rule you under Sharia law and could give a rats-ass about your free market ideas, while they force your wife at gunpoint to wear a burka. Hitler didn't try to take over the world (twice) to expand free market principles.
Thankfully, your special breed of conspiracy driven Libtards are the ultra-wacky-fringe and have zero chance of holding any real political power or causing any real damage. Your rambling nonsense here is at least silly and harmless....
ax1
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So its up to you how people like me decide how to participate in the free market, your way or the high way, rather than people making decisions for themselves RROOFFLLLLLL
Taliban and Bin Laden were propped up, financed and trained by the US government to fight the Russians and shuttle tax payer funds into the Military Industrial Complex, then they were used to grow the world supply of opium for the black markets as well as big pharma, just one of many failed foreign policies backed by Republicrats and Demicans, but they dont want the sheep to know anything about that.
Tunaking14
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It was the only way to do it. Nobody else was willing to try anything and just let China do as they wish. It's now or never.
Tunaking14
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I agree with Bam here. Yes both sides of the gov't suck. But the Republicans suck less.
BamBam54
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We the People elect the government officials who set up the free market economy. And when other nations do not allow fair trade, our elected government officials must adjust the trade policies accordingly.
YOU decide how you want to participate as the carnival ride spins round and round. That's people making decisions for themselves. Get on board, or get the F_ off. But critical national moves to try and save the entire US economy after decades of shitty decisions are now based on more than your own personal self interest....
ax1
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Im on board with individual freedoms and liberties limited small government, not big government unconstitutional military industrial complex corporate socialist like Trump trying to run my life, so its an "F" for "Forgedabouddit"
Speaking of Trump, day by day he is becoming more of an azzhole,
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BamBam54
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This is even better, mooooooore Trumpism!!
If you don't want Trump tariffs, make the movie in America. Personal choice, the freedom to choose.
If you are some weirdo that can't live without foreign movies, make them overseas and just pay more for the movie. Personal choice, the freedom to choose.
And really... do you need movies all that much?? What a colossal waste of time. We have enough movies already made that you could watch non-stop movies for the rest of your life without any duplication. Such silliness....
ax1
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First off the greater majority of Hollywood is woke horeshit....and how is it freedom if I punished by the Government to want to consume a Korean movie? Or if Im a American business that wants to direct in a foreign country penalized for that as well? This is tyranny. And besides it being ridiculous that Id be a weirdo for loving foreign movies, being a "wierdo" is not unconstitutional and I dont want a dictator financially punishing me for my freedom of watching whatever the heck I want even if its "propaghanda"
kisaj
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Everyday is is showing that he isn't fully functioning. Not at a Biden level, but the dude is a lunatic and feels like he has tourettes just posting dumb **** for his cult to follow. Fucking sucks because I was hoping a vote for him was a good thing to get away from the Democrat BS. Guess we are fucked either way.
ax1
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Next time Democraps are in power, Trump left them the ability to pick random people off the streets without due process verifying in front of a legit court system they are who they say they are, and Democraps can abuse their power to pick up random MAGA people and throw them in Gitmo no questions asked.....and MAGA will take absolutely no personal responsibility for the disaster they set up, just like they had short term memory loss after the covid year Trump was in charge destroying our Country. Short term memory loss how Republicrats and Trump after his first term (started long before him) helped prop up the deep national security state that oppressed them after 1-6.
Im the guy fighting to protect THEIR freedoms and liberties from authoritarian governments, as I do for all Americans.
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Dustin07
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you guys would have to give me examples. he definitely has an abrasive personality, but I haven't seen any policies i've disagreed with yet. undoubtedly, the speed and severity of some things like the tariffs made me a bit nervous, but I also saw it as blood letting and that some bandaids needed to be ripped off.
I live in a heavily blue state where it's crazy that any business can be successful, every corner there is a new tax. city, county, state, all have their hands in your pockets. we just passed rent control and a bunch of other new taxes and laws that are crushing small biz and landlords. When it comes to censorship, I'm quickly reminded of Twitter pre - Elon, FB, etc where you couldn't even question the vaccine.
Hell, I got put in FB jail a few years back for quoting the Christmas Story scene about the BB gun. because gun.
ax1
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He is literally rounding up civilians on the street and sending them overseas, without due process no American is protected. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in front of a legit judge (not some side court) and Jury, for our our protection or else if you eliminate due process nobody here is safe. He is also calling criticism of Israel as "anti-semetic" which violates the 1st Amendment principles regardless if your a citizen or not, and calls for imprisonment of flag burning....not talking about public property, or citations of arson, this is a real true direct attack on our freedoms of expression which is clear call for impeachment....no matter how disgusting the speech may be, if we dont protect all free speech we dont have a 1st Amendment and nobody is safe, its a dangerous path we are moving towards. I dont care if people are foreign, they have the right to say whatever the hell they want to say or think, if their speech isnt protected, neither is mine, neither is any of ours, and our Bill of Rights is a memo to the government that we are born with these rights and they can go fudge themselves.
"Equal and exact justice to ALL men" - Key word "all"...anybody here on our soil government cant just blindy declare just because they have a tattoo or say something that makes their butt hurt should be picked up locked up or sent overseas.
I can go on but trying to keep it short, but Ill also rant on some other issues quickly vvvv
He also supports the FBI, NSA, CIA, NSA, etc....Trump is deep state, he totally props up the unconstitutional national/international security state, wants to raise the Military Industrial Complex budget to over $1 trillion dollars instead of rolling it back, he has been bombing, or providing bombs, funding, training, intelligence which have caused the genocide of far to many innocent civilians making him a war criminal.
Trump is a socialist, will do absolutely nothing about abolishing Social Security and Medicare which hands over the power of the state to put a gun to our head and force us into their services.
Trump is not a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, he is very anti-2nd Amendment as much as he thinks or pretends he is not. If people want to own machine guns, attack choppers, battleships thats our business, Right to Bear All arms isnt limited to just guns.
Anyways I feel like Im in the minority on most issues here, that is ok, Im used to it, lol
I know lefties are crazy, but I dont support less crazy just because one is far more crazy than the other
ax1
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I live in NY they are horrible here.
kisaj
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I couldn't agree more with everything you said - especially your last sentence. Also, I live in CO and the democrats have completely destroyed a once safe and thriving city in Denver.He is literally rounding up civilians on the street and sending them overseas, without due process no American is protected. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in front of a legit judge (not some side court) and Jury, for our our protection or else if you eliminate due process nobody here is safe. He is also calling criticism of Israel as "anti-semetic" which violates the 1st Amendment principles regardless if your a citizen or not, and calls for imprisonment of flag burning....not talking about public property, or citations of arson, this is a real true direct attack on our freedoms of expression which is clear call for impeachment....no matter how disgusting the speech may be, if we dont protect all free speech we dont have a 1st Amendment and nobody is safe, its a dangerous path we are moving towards. I dont care if people are foreign, they have the right to say whatever the hell they want to say or think, if their speech isnt protected, neither is mine, neither is any of ours, and our Bill of Rights is a memo to the government that we are born with these rights and they can go fudge themselves.
"Equal and exact justice to ALL men" - Key word "all"...anybody here on our soil government cant just blindy declare just because they have a tattoo or say something that makes their butt hurt should be picked up locked up or sent overseas.
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I can go on but trying to keep it short, but Ill also rant on some other issues quickly vvvv
He also supports the FBI, NSA, CIA, NSA, etc....Trump is deep state, he totally props up the unconstitutional national/international security state, wants to raise the Military Industrial Complex budget to over $1 trillion dollars instead of rolling it back, he has been bombing, or providing bombs, funding, training, intelligence which have caused the genocide of far to many innocent civilians making him a war criminal.
Trump is a socialist, will do absolutely nothing about abolishing Social Security and Medicare which hands over the power of the state to put a gun to our head and force us into their services.
Trump is not a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, he is very anti-2nd Amendment as much as he thinks or pretends he is not. If people want to own machine guns, attack choppers, battleships thats our business, Right to Bear All arms isnt limited to just guns.
Anyways I feel like Im in the minority on most issues here, that is ok, Im used to it, lol
I know lefties are crazy, but I dont support less crazy just because one is far more crazy than the other