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Dustin07 said:
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there aren't any, that's the point and what I said.



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I can't tell if you're a troll or naive. inflation under 3% YoY is always the goal. under 2% is better. 2.3% is great. But this last quote from you tells me you're more likely just a garbage pail troll if you clearly don't understand inflation numbers.
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Trump confused trade deficit with tariffs. In the case of Canada, which has a significantly smaller population, it has a trade deficit of something around 60B, which is not much when you consider the population of Canada is nearly 10x less than that of the US.

The actually truth is that Canadians spend more per capita on US goods than the US spends on Canadian goods. If anything, setting the record straight would be Canada imposing tariffs to match the per capita rate of that of the US.

But that isn't how it works.
 
TheViking said:
Oh, what are the timelines for the other government organizations? Or is it only DOGE? DOGE was established in January 2025 and is set to end in 2026. Musk was in charge — who’s leading it now? Sounds like mumbo jumbo.

Source?

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, headline inflation on all items is up 2.3% between April 2024 and April 2025.
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Should see the speculation on Peter Thiel taking over
 
TheViking said:
Oh, what are the timelines for the other government organizations? Or is it only DOGE? DOGE was established in January 2025 and is set to end in 2026. Musk was in charge — who’s leading it now? Sounds like mumbo jumbo.

Source?

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, headline inflation on all items is up 2.3% between April 2024 and April 2025.
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You are spewing nothing but lies. Get a life!
 
Jiigzz said:
Trump confused trade deficit with tariffs. In the case of Canada, which has a significantly smaller population, it has a trade deficit of something around 60B, which is not much when you consider the population of Canada is nearly 10x less than that of the US.

The actually truth is that Canadians spend more per capita on US goods than the US spends on Canadian goods. If anything, setting the record straight would be Canada imposing tariffs to match the per capita rate of that of the US.

But that isn't how it works.
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Canada is welcome to do that, as are the States. it has nothing to do with per capita spending though. Intelligent nations would utilize protectionist measures like tariffs mostly for industries with the greatest value in crisis or war time, such as pharma, manufacturing, and agriculture. The invisible hand and free trade are great ideas to create a windfall for both the buying and selling countries, but allowing such a thing to completely devestate those industries which a country depends on during crisis would be a mistake.
 
this must be due to Trump chickening out on Tariffs and removing them. oh wait...

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ax1 said:
Its all at the expense out of all our pockets though, it is a tax on the American people so hard to cheer more government theft of our own money.
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I don't agree, I think thats largely fear mongering although I don't think either of us can be certain until probably end of this year. We had a lot of new Trump tariffs during the first admin and our inflation was so low we touched on deflation at one point.

Everything has to work together for anything to work. oil prices are down, but gas prices are mediocre depending on where you are, like here in WA we bounce between the top 1-3 highest gas in the nation because we have so many taxes tacked onto a gallon of fuel now. Interest rates need to come down too.

I think it's too early to say but I truly do not believe Tariffs will have a negative effect. Just one small example: importers will easily move their products to countries that don't have massive Tariffs in effect (I have seen a LOT of business move directly from China to Mexico, where the quality is better and it can be delivered by truck in a week, rather than boat in 4-8 weeks), and countries like China who have massive tariffs applied will have to lower prices to offset the tariffs if they want to keep the business.

The other thing to think about is the fact that these tariffs are a lot smaller than we realize. Apple for instance had a gross margin of 58.28% in Q1 2025. the tariff isn't on the retail price, but on their lower landed cost before they mark up the product.
 
Dustin07 said:
Canada is welcome to do that, as are the States. it has nothing to do with per capita spending though. Intelligent nations would utilize protectionist measures like tariffs mostly for industries with the greatest value in crisis or war time, such as pharma, manufacturing, and agriculture. The invisible hand and free trade are great ideas to create a windfall for both the buying and selling countries, but allowing such a thing to completely devestate those industries which a country depends on during crisis would be a mistake.
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Thank God sports aren't political!

 
Dustin07 said:
Canada is welcome to do that, as are the States. it has nothing to do with per capita spending though. Intelligent nations would utilize protectionist measures like tariffs mostly for industries with the greatest value in crisis or war time, such as pharma, manufacturing, and agriculture. The invisible hand and free trade are great ideas to create a windfall for both the buying and selling countries, but allowing such a thing to completely devestate those industries which a country depends on during crisis would be a mistake.
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Dustin07 said:
this must be due to Trump chickening out on Tariffs and removing them. oh wait...

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That's your own country paying the tariffs lol.

So basically your corporations are having to spend more to import.
 
Dustin07 said:
Canada is welcome to do that, as are the States. it has nothing to do with per capita spending though. Intelligent nations would utilize protectionist measures like tariffs mostly for industries with the greatest value in crisis or war time, such as pharma, manufacturing, and agriculture. The invisible hand and free trade are great ideas to create a windfall for both the buying and selling countries, but allowing such a thing to completely devestate those industries which a country depends on during crisis would be a mistake.
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Dustin07 said:
I don't agree, I think thats largely fear mongering although I don't think either of us can be certain until probably end of this year. We had a lot of new Trump tariffs during the first admin and our inflation was so low we touched on deflation at one point.

Everything has to work together for anything to work. oil prices are down, but gas prices are mediocre depending on where you are, like here in WA we bounce between the top 1-3 highest gas in the nation because we have so many taxes tacked onto a gallon of fuel now. Interest rates need to come down too.

I think it's too early to say but I truly do not believe Tariffs will have a negative effect. Just one small example: importers will easily move their products to countries that don't have massive Tariffs in effect (I have seen a LOT of business move directly from China to Mexico, where the quality is better and it can be delivered by truck in a week, rather than boat in 4-8 weeks), and countries like China who have massive tariffs applied will have to lower prices to offset the tariffs if they want to keep the business.

The other thing to think about is the fact that these tariffs are a lot smaller than we realize. Apple for instance had a gross margin of 58.28% in Q1 2025. the tariff isn't on the retail price, but on their lower landed cost before they mark up the product.
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Tariffs are a tax on the country that imports. That's not fear mongering, that's just reality. The tax isn't applied in the exporter, the intention is to discourage importers from using those nations. The problem is, China controls manufacturing. If they use Mexico as a backdoor, that's just to bypass higher tariffs, but isn't actually discouraging the importation of Chinese products, you're just adding a proxy into the mix.

Think about this: let's say I usually sell tomatoes to John for $1 each, but then the govt announces that they will apply a 50c tariff on top of every tomato John purchases. I still sell the tomato for $1, but as soon as it hits John's hand, he now needs to front up $1.50 in order to receive it. At this point he could look to buy locally, but they charge $2, so it still makes more sense to buy from me even though it now costs him more, but there is now more incentive for him to buy locally.

If I want to minimize my risk of losing John as buyer, I could sell my tomatoes to Suzy for $1 with the intention of her selling to John. There's still a mark up, let's say Suzy charges 10c for this service, and a smaller tariff of 20c, it's now $1.30 instead of the original $1.50, so there's more incentive for John to continue to buy my product, even though it now comes from Suzy.
 
Jiigzz said:
Tariffs are a tax on the country that imports. That's not fear mongering, that's just reality. The tax isn't applied in the exporter, the intention is to discourage importers from using those nations. The problem is, China controls manufacturing. If they use Mexico as a backdoor, that's just to bypass higher tariffs, but isn't actually discouraging the importation of Chinese products, you're just adding a proxy into the mix.

Think about this: let's say I usually sell tomatoes to John for $1 each, but then the govt announces that they will apply a 50c tariff on top of every tomato John purchases. I still sell the tomato for $1, but as soon as it hits John's hand, he now needs to front up $1.50 in order to receive it. At this point he could look to buy locally, but they charge $2, so it still makes more sense to buy from me even though it now costs him more, but there is now more incentive for him to buy locally.

If I want to minimize my risk of losing John as buyer, I could sell my tomatoes to Suzy for $1 with the intention of her selling to John. There's still a mark up, let's say Suzy charges 10c for this service, and a smaller tariff of 20c, it's now $1.30 instead of the original $1.50, so there's more incentive for John to continue to buy my product, even though it now comes from Suzy.
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It’s all anti-free markets, government centralized planning is toxic and inhumane, they have no business telling us who and where we want to do business with and buy products.
 
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That's your own country paying the tariffs lol.
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since you don't know anything, and I have worked in manufacturing domestically as well as importing for 25 years, let me enlighten you. Two things are currently happening:

a. off shore manufacturers are moving business, in droves, to countries with better trade deals. Mexico is an industrial hotbed, one of the reasons I visit so often is to visit factories I work with. Many manufacturers have figured this out and moved Chinese business to Mexico for importing into the States. Apple has moved much of it's iphone business to India and Vietnam because of their favorable trade agreements.

b. the business that China is keeping is on a large scale being bought at reduced prices to offset tariff prices. if a product was $2 before with 25% tariffs ($2.50ea), Chinese factories are often cutting prices to USA buyers so you might see that same product now sell for $1 or $1.50 or whatever. This is because their competition at the higher prices is both domestic manufacturers and other foreign competitors.

c. inflation dropped. so no, we are not paying anything.
 
Dustin07 said:
since you don't know anything, and I have worked in manufacturing domestically as well as importing for 25 years, let me enlighten you. Two things are currently happening:

a. off shore manufacturers are moving business, in droves, to countries with better trade deals. Mexico is an industrial hotbed, one of the reasons I visit so often is to visit factories I work with. Many manufacturers have figured this out and moved Chinese business to Mexico for importing into the States. Apple has moved much of it's iphone business to India and Vietnam because of their favorable trade agreements.

b. the business that China is keeping is on a large scale being bought at reduced prices to offset tariff prices. if a product was $2 before with 25% tariffs ($2.50ea), Chinese factories are often cutting prices to USA buyers so you might see that same product now sell for $1 or $1.50 or whatever. This is because their competition at the higher prices is both domestic manufacturers and other foreign competitors.

c. inflation dropped. so no, we are not paying anything.
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Except you are - the revenue that the Govt is generating through tariffs is generated by importers paying those tariffs. Inflation dropping is great, but that doesn't mean that importers aren't fronting those costs. Amazon was in the process of raising prices and disclosing that those price increases were the result of tariffs, but Trump wasn't happy with that (fair enough).

China owns plenty of manufacturing plants in Mexico lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Except you are - the revenue that the Govt is generating through tariffs is generated by importers paying those tariffs. Inflation dropping is great, but that doesn't mean that importers aren't fronting those costs. Amazon was in the process of raising prices and disclosing that those price increases were the result of tariffs, but Trump wasn't happy with that (fair enough).

China owns plenty of manufacturing plants in Mexico lol
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It’s all one big great scam for the elites
 
Jiigzz said:
Except you are - the revenue that the Govt is generating through tariffs is generated by importers paying those tariffs. Inflation dropping is great, but that doesn't mean that importers aren't fronting those costs. Amazon was in the process of raising prices and disclosing that those price increases were the result of tariffs, but Trump wasn't happy with that (fair enough).
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you clearly misunderstood the entire post.

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China owns plenty of manufacturing plants in Mexico lol
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I know the owners of every factory I work with and the next time you are in mexicali or nogales touring the aerospace and automotive factories let me know who the owners are. Spoiler alert: most of them are actually American.
 
Dustin07 said:
since you don't know anything, and I have worked in manufacturing domestically as well as importing for 25 years, let me enlighten you. Two things are currently happening:

a. off shore manufacturers are moving business, in droves, to countries with better trade deals. Mexico is an industrial hotbed, one of the reasons I visit so often is to visit factories I work with. Many manufacturers have figured this out and moved Chinese business to Mexico for importing into the States. Apple has moved much of it's iphone business to India and Vietnam because of their favorable trade agreements.

b. the business that China is keeping is on a large scale being bought at reduced prices to offset tariff prices. if a product was $2 before with 25% tariffs ($2.50ea), Chinese factories are often cutting prices to USA buyers so you might see that same product now sell for $1 or $1.50 or whatever. This is because their competition at the higher prices is both domestic manufacturers and other foreign competitors.

c. inflation dropped. so no, we are not paying anything.
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The point of the tariffs is to boost American manufacturing and protect American jobs. The world already knows that Trump doesn't understand globalization, but I'm glad you do. As you point out, imports are very important to the U.S. market. That’s why it’s so hard for non-Americans to understand Trump's unilateral approach. Just watch out for fentanyl in your imported car parts.
 
TheViking said:
As you point out, imports are very important to the U.S. market. That’s why it’s so hard for non-Americans to understand Trump's unilateral approach.
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Imports are definitely vital to all civilizations, Adam Smiths book Wealth of Nations from 1776 is as relevant today as it was 250 years ago. I'd love to recommend people read it, but its 1200 pages of econ and manufacturing that isn't going to interest most, with the added benefit of 18th century english and currency lol. But the invisible hand, trading your own regions specialty for another regions specialty is a great structure. the nuances we face on the global trade market today muddy the waters.

Indonesia, India and Malaysia for instance are also industrial contenders who offer incentives to companies to move their manufacturing facilities. There are tax allowances, deductions, etc and when local business/econ depts in Mexico courted me they'd go as far as to help you source real estate, local graduates who were qualified, business structuring, tax deals, etc. so it becomes financial advantageous for companies to move their manufacturing around quite a bit. We've developed a "globalized" trade market in which many small countries offer increasing benefits to build within their nation (hire their people) and then export back to the States while the states do not charge them an import tax/tariff and that same country which just offered a text books worth of incentives to move your manufacturing charges an arm and a leg in tariffs for the States to export anything back to them.

its basic business. under cut your competition. The tariffs are a backwards way of leveling the playing field.

That said I am still in favor of protectionist measures to ensure that crisis-event relevant industries are strong when needed, such as manufacturing, ag, and pharma. Not crafting policy in a way that encourages them to remain domestic weakens your ability to support yourself in war time or other times of catastrophe.
 
Dustin07 said:
Imports are definitely vital to all civilizations, Adam Smiths book Wealth of Nations from 1776 is as relevant today as it was 250 years ago. I'd love to recommend people read it, but its 1200 pages of econ and manufacturing that isn't going to interest most, with the added benefit of 18th century english and currency lol. But the invisible hand, trading your own regions specialty for another regions specialty is a great structure. the nuances we face on the global trade market today muddy the waters.

Indonesia, India and Malaysia for instance are also industrial contenders who offer incentives to companies to move their manufacturing facilities. There are tax allowances, deductions, etc and when local business/econ depts in Mexico courted me they'd go as far as to help you source real estate, local graduates who were qualified, business structuring, tax deals, etc. so it becomes financial advantageous for companies to move their manufacturing around quite a bit. We've developed a "globalized" trade market in which many small countries offer increasing benefits to build within their nation (hire their people) and then export back to the States while the states do not charge them an import tax/tariff and that same country which just offered a text books worth of incentives to move your manufacturing charges an arm and a leg in tariffs for the States to export anything back to them.

its basic business. under cut your competition. The tariffs are a backwards way of leveling the playing field.

That said I am still in favor of protectionist measures to ensure that crisis-event relevant industries are strong when needed, such as manufacturing, ag, and pharma. Not crafting policy in a way that encourages them to remain domestic weakens your ability to support yourself in war time or other times of catastrophe.
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I don't doubt your knowledge of the manufacturing field. But to stay on point: Trump's tariffs risk pushing global trade into a recession. In the end, it could make America an untrustworthy trade partner. I'm in Europe, and Europe is America's greatest trading partner, this goes both ways. Over the past 15 years or so, the growth of America's global trade has been strong. The result could be that America's trading partners start looking elsewhere. If America is aiming for protectionism, the rest of the world still favors free trade. Do you think it's beneficial for America to lose trade partners while also alienating them? To me, it seems like a very poor trade strategy.
 
There seems to be a clash between the two supposed best friends, Musk and Trump. Musk claims that Trump is involved in the investigation concerning the pedophile Epstein? Trump admits he asked Musk to leave DOGE. Was he fired? Add to that his latest sycophantic approach toward Putin, just wow! Trump's leadership is becoming more and more questionable. Trump now leads America's new comedy show, hilarious!
 
TheViking said:
The point of the tariffs is to boost American manufacturing and protect American jobs. The world already knows that Trump doesn't understand globalization, but I'm glad you do. As you point out, imports are very important to the U.S. market. That’s why it’s so hard for non-Americans to understand Trump's unilateral approach. Just watch out for fentanyl in your imported car parts.
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Going to be winners and losers, but they are transitioning the power away from small businesses to the corporate elite and their slave workforce base because its an overall larger voter base.

Government centralized planning of the economy is straight out unconstitutional and unethical.

Trump is a thief. There is going to be long term intended and unintended consequences allowing the government to cast this much power into our lives, and yes, its not Trump, fudge just about ever one of them, they are all criminals.

Dont mind me, I am mad lol not blaming anyone in here just venting.

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Bunghole of the year goes to Elon Musk for not hiring me as his top personal policy advisor, I would have warned him....he was one of the sheeple believing Trump was for small government and really was going to cut the budget after what that dude pulled off his first term, but hopefully he is finally turning around, but he has ALOT of work to do.

I still like Trump personally though, this is just political, for some reason me respect Trump in other ways just his policies are all mostly horrible and anti-free markets, anti-capatalist and anti-freedom.
 
Time for Musk to throw all his capital into a new 3rd party (more preferably Independents) and we completely dismantle the false left right paradigm big government corporate duopoly.

The bad news is there is still too much about Musk that needs to change, I dont think he has let go of his ideology that government should be there to solve our problems but he is getting closer.
 
ax1 said:
It’s all one big great scam for the elites
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Yep lol
Dustin07 said:
you clearly misunderstood the entire post.



I know the owners of every factory I work with and the next time you are in mexicali or nogales touring the aerospace and automotive factories let me know who the owners are. Spoiler alert: most of them are actually American.
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Where did I specify aerospace or automotive. I never said all were, but it's also naive to think China doesn't own (or bankroll) the actual plan and employ locals to run factories. China owns farms in NZ that are run by locals, so you wouldn't even have a clue.

I have also said I don't believe the concept is a bad one - but ultimately the reason why manufacturing is in places like Mexico and China is because labour laws are pretty lax, and American labour is too expensive. Everyone I know is buying in truck loads from those places, and that means they aren't spending money domestically. I can see why Trump is doing what he is doing, but ultimately it is using govt power to impact how you spend your money. It's just whether or not you care.

So yes, tariffs in theory help level that playing field. The question is, are people happy to pay more to protect American business, or do they just care about saving a few bucks?

Temu and Shein, I believe, have been set up to cripple local businesses worldwide. The fact that I can buy something for a dollar with free shipping is wild. Ultimately, if you have an idea for a product and have it produced in China, you can expect that those manufacturing plants will take your idea and sell it cheaper.
 
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Jiigzz said:
The question is, are people happy to pay more to protect American business, or do they just care about saving a few bucks?
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On top of that, how long will Americans be happy with government telling them who and who they cant spend their money on/with and getting punished for making their own decisions of their own free thinking and will with their own money, or where to establish my own private business which is absolutely none of governments business to tell me how to make my own money.

Trump promotes government theivery with enforcement of the barrel of a government gun, he is an authoritarian dictator /story other than the fact that they all pretty much are the same pile of turd.
 
- “That was not a pleasant day for you."
A nice reply from Trump to Merz when speaking about D-Day in WWII, where 4,400 Allied soldiers lost their lives, 2,500 of them Americans.
Not a great way to pay respect to the fallen heroes who gave their lives to liberate Europe.
 
TheViking said:
Trump would probably have been sentenced to jail already if it weren’t for his presidency. Now the West is slowly standing aside, watching America turn from a democracy into an autocracy. Crazy!
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Pretty much every Repulsivkin and Democrap in Washington belongs in jail for more reasons than even I can come up with.
 
ax1 said:
Pretty much every Repulsivkin and Democrap in Washington belongs in jail for more reasons than even I can come up with.
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If you truly appreciate individual freedom, you should be cautious about covering it up with slogans like that. Trump is eroding human rights and undermining the rule of law, which ultimately affects the freedom of the people.
 
ax1 said:
Pretty much every Repulsivkin and Democrap in Washington belongs in jail for more reasons than even I can come up with.
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Just remember there are a few "Rs" who are Mises Caucus libertarians. I wouldn't clump them in there with the duopily.
 
TheViking said:
If you truly appreciate individual freedom, you should be cautious about covering it up with slogans like that. Trump is eroding human rights and undermining the rule of law, which ultimately affects the freedom of the people.
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Nah, just rounding up illegals and criminals who broke federal law...
 
Anabolic66 said:
Nah, just rounding up illegals and criminals who broke federal law...
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And all of a sudden, America has riots within its borders, like the beginning of a modern take on the Civil War. The army stands ready to confront its own population. This is what dictators like Trump do, divide and conquer.
 
TheViking said:
And all of a sudden, America has riots within its borders, like the beginning of a modern take on the Civil War. The army stands ready to confront its own population. This is what dictators like Trump do, divide and conquer.
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So dumb!

It's NOT "all of a sudden".

These scumbags have been rioting to try and get their way since exploiting the George Floyd protests in 2020. Before that they rioted all through the first Trump administration over hurt feels. Heck, anti-government hippie riots go back to the 1960's!!

These antifa, BLM, transgender, hamas-loving anarchists riot to try and take down the system for their wacked-out socialist Marxist agenda. And now we finally have an administration that doesn't tolerate violent stupidity and will put-down the orchestrated unlawful rioting.... hard.

Go ahead... FAFO 😆😀😆
 
TheViking said:
And all of a sudden, America has riots within its borders, like the beginning of a modern take on the Civil War. The army stands ready to confront its own population. This is what dictators like Trump do, divide and conquer.
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You are so clueless it hurts. Times would be worse under a Harris administration. Freedoms? Where are you from again? I’m sure you supported the Covid lockdowns and your loss of freedoms…..
 
BamBam54 said:
So dumb!

It's NOT "all of a sudden".

These scumbags have been rioting to try and get their way since exploiting the George Floyd protests in 2020. Before that they rioted all through the first Trump administration over hurt feels. Heck, anti-government hippie riots go back to the 1960's!!

These antifa, BLM, transgender, hamas-loving anarchists riot to try and take down the system for their wacked-out socialist Marxist agenda. And now we finally have an administration that doesn't tolerate violent stupidity and will put-down the orchestrated unlawful rioting.... hard.

Go ahead... FAFO 😆😀😆
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Do all Trump worshippers read from the same script? I swear you all post the exact same 😂 not a single original thought.
 
Jiigzz said:
Do all Trump worshippers read from the same script? I swear you all post the exact same 😂 not a single original thought.
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Funny as I was going to say the same about guys like you with Trump derangement syndrome. I mean you and Viking may as well be brothers as you spew the same nonsense. Neither of you live in America yet you think you are experts on our freedoms while you live under a much more tyrannical gov't! I hate Trump's big, beautiful bill, and hate the left and rights unwavering support of Israel. However, I fully support this lesser of two evils. Harris was a joke and would have turned us into a third world shithole. I fully support deporting all these criminal scum and taking these coward ass protestors off the streets. Those protesters are the lowest form of scum like most of the liberals in California.
 
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Funny as I was going to say the same about guys like you with Trump derangement syndrome. I mean you and Viking may as well be brothers as you spew the same nonsense. Neither of you live in America yet you think you are experts on our freedoms while you live under a much more tyrannical gov't! I hate Trump's big, beautiful bill, and hate the left and rights unwavering support of Israel. However, I fully support this lesser of two evils. Harris was a joke and would have turned us into a third world shithole. I fully support deporting all these criminal scum and taking these coward ass protestors off the streets. Those protesters are the lowest form of scum like most of the liberals in California.
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A much more tyrannical govt? 😂 Whose country is currently deploying marines to handle a few rioters? 😂😂😂😂
 
Kid-grooming libturdz, like 500 insurrections in 2 yrs, the cult of confusion, perversion, kid-rape, etc.
In power for 12 of last 16 yrs. Open borders, cartels, traffickers, violent crime. Clinton deported 12 million, Obozo the bathhouse guzzler deported 6 million. But now its loony libturd theatre because its TDS/Trump. Hilarious and confused (pregnant men) kid groomers...
 
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