Just working on getting the chemistry right. Every day I make another batch. The issue is trying to use really high levels of solvents to keep things in solution while also allowing for the gel to hold.
Yesterday I almost convinced myself to just make it a spray and F the gel. Would solve everything. But.....trying to spray on 8ml a day is ALOT of spraying.
Anyone ever use UR spray or whatever the name of the urolic acid spray was? 50 sprays a day.
I would also be worried about the spray nozzle clogging. Once its used the solution left on the nozzle will evap and leave crystals. After a week or 2 itll be a caked mess.
Anyways....
Everything is here. Just need to get the blend perfected before I start making 300 bottle batches. Nothing worse than making a giant drum of a topical only to see the carbomer not hold or something crash out.
Its been 10 years since we had Formeron. I dont want to release until its perfect.
Gonna work on it over the weekend.
Once I have it perfect Ill update and start talking about ingredients etc.
We are close though. ETA maybe 10 days.
I 100% agree. Even formeron wasn't perfect. Was gritty and not in solution 100$. Now...formestane is incredibly insoluble so basically no topical formestane was in solution completely. Even pure guiacol wouldn't hold it.Good luck. People will always rush you because they’re excited, but then complain if the product doesn’t stay in solution - take the time needed to get it right!
I 100% agree. Even formeron wasn't perfect. Was gritty and not in solution 100$. Now...formestane is incredibly insoluble so basically no topical formestane was in solution completely. Even pure guiacol wouldn't hold it.
This stuff looks good. The batch from today isn't perfect one of the ingredients isn't cooperating. But....its 99% clear.
Gonna try some other things tomorrow.
Either way I have 2 bottles I'm giving to people tonight. One from this forum.
Even if it's not perfect we'll still get to see how it works for the first week or so. And if I need to increase the ai etc.
How do you guys feel about scent?
The old Formeron had a light scent but I cant get the old scent. The stuff smells like strong chemicals, ethanol etc.
I can add a light scent. Drakkar Nior? AXE bodyspray 1999? Aqua Di Gio?
Lighter the scent the better IMO, but sounds like you need to cover up the chemical smell. Light vanilla is what I lean towards, which I think some of your other ones like exotherm might've been was good? IML's similarly too.How do you guys feel about scent?
The old Formeron had a light scent but I cant get the old scent. The stuff smells like strong chemicals, ethanol etc.
I can add a light scent. Drakkar Nior? AXE bodyspray 1999? Aqua Di Gio?
They make the scent.Aqcua di !!!! Let’s fucking gooooo
I have a tobacco/vanilla scent here that's pretty good smellingLighter the scent the better IMO, but sounds like you need to cover up the chemical smell. Light vanilla is what I lean towards, which I think some of your other ones like exotherm might've been was good? IML's similarly too.
Doesnt smell bad but does smell like strong chemicals as there are alot of solvents to keep things in solution.Honestly, as long as the smell isn't atrocious, provided that it works as advertised, it will sell. In other words, if it smells sort of chemically or a nice scent but not in an overpowering way, go for it. If it smells like Joy Behar after a sweaty day, but prior to a shower, go back and seek another scent.
I'm in.By the way the raws landed. Bottles and labels are en route.
Just working on making sure everything stay in solution once its gelled.
Either way 15-30 days max till launch.
Might be 15. If everything falls into place and there are no shipping hang ups etc.
30 if there are hang ups.
Either way........something wicked this way comes.
Depends on the solvents but in our case none of them are really harmful. I mean if you drank it every day for 10 years maybe but topically even long term the doses are so low it's basically inert. Ethanol for example. 4ml a day topically nothing. 40oz a day orally might he acutely dead.How safe are the solvents used in transdermals? Just curious if it's a issue being used for long periods of time...
How do you guys feel about scent?
The old Formeron had a light scent but I cant get the old scent. The stuff smells like strong chemicals, ethanol etc.
I can add a light scent. Drakkar Nior? AXE bodyspray 1999? Aqua Di Gio?
Can't it be both?I'm not taking it before I hit up a 1990s dance club. I'm just using it to control my estrogen.
We have liftoff.
Nice and clear, gelled perfectly. The haze is bubbles.
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Gonna add spermidine to yours. Smells like semen. I'll also add a bit of flour so you'll have white all over your body.Ahhhhh looks like semen!!!!
Gonna add spermidine to yours. Smells like semen. I'll also add a bit of flour so you'll have white all over your body.
Actually....im gonna do it for everyone
Someone from this forum lives near me. I gave him one of the samples.
Here is his 48 hour update-
"So after 48 hours of the first application on Saturday, my libido surged and I've had a dull ache in the testes all day yesterday and today. Sense of well being is definitely heightened and I had a great workout yesterday, with muscles still feeling pumped. I'm still applying 4ml in the morning, and another 4ml early evening after workout/steam room. "
Yes, 30 days. 240mlIs 8ml a day the standard dosage? How long will bottle last at that dose?
How old is the test subject, are they on TRT ?Someone from this forum lives near me. I gave him one of the samples.
Here is his 48 hour update-
"So after 48 hours of the first application on Saturday, my libido surged and I've had a dull ache in the testes all day yesterday and today. Sense of well being is definitely heightened and I had a great workout yesterday, with muscles still feeling pumped. I'm still applying 4ml in the morning, and another 4ml early evening after workout/steam room. "
Yes, 30 days. 240ml
Its alot of fluid yes but its hard to get this stuff into solution. And the better it stays in solution the more you will absorb.
So lots of gel, but the effects should be nothing short of amazing.
Ill bet this is the best non PH/DS anabolic on the market when its launched.
Ill ask detailsHow old is the test subject, are they on TRT ?
Honestly dont know. I know while your on it your test levels will be good but after I dont know.Will it require a serm PCT?
I think youll be impressed. I was really surprised when testing the solo materials.I’m thinking I’m going to try this one! Add it to my cruise to help keep me off full blast a while longer while still pushing training forward.
Honestly dont know. I know while your on it your test levels will be good but after I dont know.
Might be that levels get high enough to be suppressive but most likely with the AI it should be ok. Will have to see.
Will be amazing alongside any sarms or anything suppressive though because itll keep test up and estro down.
PLus will be anabolic on its own.
For those on TRT itll be magic.
I think youll be impressed. I was really surprised when testing the solo materials.
Some of the best effects ive seen since stopping aas.
That and some injectable l carnitine and Im as lean as ive been in 14 years.
Strength is really good.
Muscles are full.

Absolutely. There is dhea in it and an ai to prevent its conversion to estrogen. Great for a "test base".So it could act as a base with a sarm?
I'll try to get some stuff up over the weekend. Launch is not far away. Waiting on labels to arrive. Gonna start making it next week on tues.Can we get some ingredients possibly?
Oh just wait......You guys are in for something special.Let me find out BLR is back!
No it would be great with TRT because youll get more testosterone, SOme estrogen control and alot of anabolism.
I would approach this with some caution as we dont know if a SERM will prevent binding of the ecdysteroidsHow about for someone using enclomiphene?
Love the sound of this comboWill work great for this. You will get an increase in testosterone beyond what you are presently seeing. IN addition you will get some aromatase inhibition and a SH&%T ton of anabolism.
Could you give us a little taste of the ingredients in it? I know you mentioned it will have some dhea but that's all I know. Can't wait to see the final product!Will work great for this. You will get an increase in testosterone beyond what you are presently seeing. IN addition you will get some aromatase inhibition and a SH&%T ton of anabolism.