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Another log (prioritizing strength)

Hyde said:
I think your buddy’s plan would work fine too; the orals and time to start them are purely preference. I don’t think 50/50 drol/win is going to be stronger than 75/25 drol/dbol, just a tad drier & less bp but while less absolute 1RM power.

I don’t even like orals daily 3 weeks out anymore, let alone 4. But you claim to do well on them so my suggestions are just based around your feedback and initial inclination. I have never used Winny for fear of the tendon remodeling. Plenty of guys have, usually added like that when they don’t want to raise the Drol higher but want more mg. Or if they’re just taking everything under the sun last minute, which is silly to me.
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Ya I also agree it's silly to just slam **** all willy nilly. I do want to be a little aggressive with this but I dont wanna be foolish or flush money or basically do dumb **** without a big reward. Il start with test, il add some drol and then we can worry bout the rest when it matters.

Yall know me, I gotta over think everything before I do anything lol
 
I think my other hold up with Winny is that allegedly Stanozolol seems to be the absolute hardest oral on HDL, worse than Superdrol or anything.

I have to take that with salt as a bodybuilder blasting AIs and primo/mast to be hard as nails at comp will have lower estro than a powerlifter using more test in an offseason this cycle, but I would probably take 100mg Mast Prop last 10 days vs adding Winny to my wet oral personally if I just wanted more fast neurology with a drying effect.
 
Hyde said:
I think my other hold up with Winny is that allegedly Stanozolol seems to be the absolute hardest oral on HDL, worse than Superdrol or anything.

I have to take that with salt as a bodybuilder blasting AIs and primo/mast to be hard as nails at comp will have lower estro than a powerlifter using more test in an offseason this cycle, but I would probably take 100mg Mast Prop last 10 days vs adding Winny to my wet oral personally if I just wanted more fast neurology with a drying effect.
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I have a bottle of mast prop and test prop mixed, I could use that at the end if needed or just order a mast prop this weekend. Putting my order in tomorrow night
 
Smont said:
I have a bottle of mast prop and test prop mixed, I could use that at the end if needed or just order a mast prop this weekend. Putting my order in tomorrow night
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Based on that, I’d just run test & drol as mentioned and add a cc of that prop mix the last 10 days. Definitely healthier, saves you money, will probably translate to similar net effect in peak power.
 
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Nothing was remotely close to failure, maybe with the exception of my 3rd set of chins. But basically I wanted to hit the gym and get some blood flowing.

I also fooled around on the double end bag for 2 rounds and threw on the gloves and "hit" the bag for 3 rounds. I basically danced around the bag throwing patty cake punches. Combos with no pop at all. I occasionally popped off a hard straight right or 2 in the final 10 seconds of the rounds or when someone walked by so I didn't look lazy lol
 
Soooooo......... the competition is going on still but the strongman gym bailed. They have a new owner and this is a Memorial event for a guy that we all knew and this gym owner who didn't even know the guy personally thinks his gym should hold the Memorial event so he will not let his guys participate. The deadlift is now the main focus for the event, but there will be a few other things and I'm still pushing him to do the bench. 😶 the deadlift is a love/hate,hate,hate relationship with me. I always get hurt training for it. Soooooo. Gonna still do it but I will not take any chances with heavy singles or doubles.

I can do squat and trap bar variations on deads for my heavy work and keep the traditional deads a little on the lighter side. Il probably eliminate the negative portion of the reps on heavier deadlifts as well.

The goal is still to get strong as possible and put some mass on. And I'm still shooting for a 380-405 bench if I think it's in the cards

Now I can make my alterations
 
Smont said:
Soooooo......... the competition is going on still but the strongman gym bailed. They have a new owner and this is a Memorial event for a guy that we all knew and this gym owner who didn't even know the guy personally thinks his gym should hold the Memorial event so he will not let his guys participate. The deadlift is now the main focus for the event, but there will be a few other things and I'm still pushing him to do the bench. the deadlift is a love/hate,hate,hate relationship with me. I always get hurt training for it. Soooooo. Gonna still do it but I will not take any chances with heavy singles or doubles.

I can do squat and trap bar variations on deads for my heavy work and keep the traditional deads a little on the lighter side. Il probably eliminate the negative portion of the reps on heavier deadlifts as well.

The goal is still to get strong as possible and put some mass on. And I'm still shooting for a 380-405 bench if I think it's in the cards

Now I can make my alterations
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You could ask the gym owner to do a Trapbar/Frame deadlift event? Just an idea
 
Hyde said:
You could ask the gym owner to do a Trapbar/Frame deadlift event? Just an idea
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That would be a good idea….tell the owner about being injured numerous times on traditional deadlifts and see if he will add in the Trapbar. I do hope they add bench, because from what you have benched in the past, I really believe you could get 405.
 
gphagan1 said:
That would be a good idea….tell the owner about being injured numerous times on traditional deadlifts and see if he will add in the Trapbar. I do hope they add bench, because from what you have benched in the past, I really believe you could get 405.
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It is an event at some local strongman shows; fairly safe and people always love maxing out a pull.
 
I'm gonna see the guy monday and talk it out with him. He asked me to help with it as anyway so I'm sure I can sway him to do something I want 😁.
 
Smont said:
What was the designer called alpha 1, was it m1a? I'm drawing a blank
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Yep. Got my first 1,600 total on that stuff. Pretty legit, like if you dried M1T or Dbol out. Not as intense so you can run it a little longer easier.
 
Smont said:
Cycle is gonna be a bit aggressive in my ramp up but peeking @850mg

I'm also going to use mots-c and some carderine I think as well, telmisartan and cailis

TRESTOLONE- Yall know I hate on it, but I want some pop out of 1 pin a week so I'm thinking about 150mg TRESTOLONE- D every sunday weeks 1-8. Why trest d on a short cycle? Well the 1 shot a week part and it should peek right around the comp so it's a win/win if I can avoide sides and on 150 I should be ok.

Weeks 4-6 anadrol 50mg/day
Weeks 7-8 anadrol 100mg a day.

It's more unhealthy then my normal approach but the timeframe and total dose I think is GTG.

I really hate pinning lately for some reason
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Omfg I’m probably more excited than you that you’re going trest!!!!!

Subbed for sure
 
Smont said:
What was the designer called alpha 1, was it m1a? I'm drawing a blank
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M1A is potent, and for me sides didn’t hit as hard as M1T, but still usually only ran it for 3 - 4 weeks then the indigestion, lethargy, and high blood pressure would hit and end up bailing out. But it will definitely increase strength quick, maybe use the last 3-4 weeks.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Annnnnd finally caught up lol. Looks like heading a different direction
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I didn't have enough time to figure that all out and I didn't wanna use AA either. But I will revisit trestolone and anadrol in the future. I been saying the last 2 years I was going to get a little aggressive as I'm approaching 40 and I turn 40 in march. I've still only ran 1 aggressive cycle since and it was by far my biggest gains in recent years, I also feel like while I didn't hold that size, it made it so I hold more muscle then previous between cycles.

The game plan now is 600-750 test

After a few weeks add one of the orals and then stack the orals at the end and il probably blast some test prop mast prop combo at the end as well
 
gphagan1 said:
M1A is potent, and for me sides didn’t hit as hard as M1T, but still usually only ran it for 3 - 4 weeks then the indigestion, lethargy, and high blood pressure would hit and end up bailing out. But it will definitely increase strength quick, maybe use the last 3-4 weeks.
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Yeah exactly same for me - I only meant that I could tolerate it for about twice as long as M1T M1A is no joke.
 
I hate to lay out the details because when I do it ahead of time I feel like I jinx myself lol.

I modified the program a little for tomorrow and will make more adjustments but I'm getting 4-5 workouts a week regardless and I plan to bench and deadlift 2x week. I do have a gameplan for safely deadlifting with good form and no negative rep portion on my heavy stuff. I'm basically just going to not do things that compromise my lower back outside of the actual pull.

Anywho, tomorrow's outline for the day.

Wake up and pin 250 test, drink a shake with about 75gm protein and 100gm of carbs.

30min later take 100mcg des and a mild stim pre/intra drink on my way out the door.

Bench
Deadlift
Ohp
Chins
35° CGB

After that il do a few tri-set of side db raise/bent over db row and pushups

And il be stretching and doing bodyweight walking lunges as a cool down type thing. I need to stretch more!

If my energy is high I will do 20min light cardio after that.

Post workout chicken and rice

Next meal 100mcg des with another high carb meal and then meal 3 and 4 and 5 with berberine.

I've played around with the igfs lately and while I dont think the rapid gains i made were actually gains, i was able to fill out about 5 lbs in 3 days and 8lbs over 8 days without changing my total calories. So its water and carbs but it also looks good and is a performance boost when I'm loaded up like that at the gym.

Now somewhere around day 6-8 it stopped looking good. But the first 3 -5 days were looking great. So I'm gonna use that on my high days to hopefully keep me full and maybe even a little bloated for some extra leverage.

I did this previously on trt, so on cycle, especially on anadrol, I have to assume il be able to load up a little more, or a lot more. I'm basically using my igf like slin (kinda but not really) and I'm also hoping somewhere down the road all that leads to new growth.

And I'm fairly confident it will. Even if it's just because of the better workouts and nothing to do with the igf pathways. But I think both will contribute over time, like a long time lol.
 
More then anything here. My game plan is to just work really fuking hard and be consistent in the gym and with the eating while increasing my gear load over time and that in my opinion is a big portion of what is required to get your physique and strength goals moving in the right direction and hard work rarely fails me as long as I dont get sloppy
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
So 200mcg of des 4 to 5 days a week? Is that 1 bottle a week? Roughly?
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Ya and il be adding 100mcg lr3 every morning as long as I have enough. 200-300mcg a day. I've never seen the results on 40-50mcg like the internet use to tell us. Vigorous steve is actually where I got thinking of this. He was saying 200mcg was the minimum, even with increlex 100mcg wasn't enough
 
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All this equipment and space and no1 showed up to train with me :( lol.
No1 wants to work and no 1 wants to put in work.
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Half way done and it's a great workout. I like pulling deads with no negative, feels much safer
 

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Smont said:
All this equipment and space and no1 showed up to train with me :( lol.
No1 wants to work and no 1 wants to put in work.
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Half way done and it's a great workout. I like pulling deads with no negative, feels much safer
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Looks like you got the place to yourself. No waiting for equipment
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
Looks like you got the place to yourself. No waiting for equipment
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Ya I got the key so its possible to always get the place to myself, unfortunately my biggest free time block of my day is the busiest time here usually. The alternative is 530am workouts or 730pm workouts
 
Done, about 2hrs total. I did lots of warm ups that are not listed. 2-4 warm up sets before the main lifts and some rotar cuff stuffInvalid Link Removed

Still using very sub maximal weights but these weights will be a fast steady climb week to week. Going by the numbers I had to get a 370 bench, for me to get a 405 I need to get my 8 rep sets around 300lbs and my 4 rep sets around 345.

I did 335 for a double a week before my 370 so I'd like to see 365 for a double a week or 2 out.


Deadlift I'm not going crazy. I'm gonna just stick to the progression and hope for a easy 500, I've pulled 508 but I'm not looking for a pr here unless the weights start flying up week to week
 
Gear order is placed and I kept it super simple. I grabbed 3 test e 300's. 1 test prop 100 just so I can ramp up quicker with this short cycle, and 100 count of anadrol 50mg
 
I scarfed mine down too fast but I made a extra plate for the photo Invalid Link Removedmeal 2 was just chicken and rice and meal 3 was chicken, rice vegetables.

Meal 1 was a shake but I forgot the igf des needed to be mixed and I forgot that. Soooooo. I'm gonna use the igf starting a few weeks in anyways. I was thinking about it last night. I'm already adding gear and food. Il save that one for later, il save the mots-c for after the cycle too because I dont want 7 variables
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
Is the Mots-c more a metabolic enhancer? I’m not familiar w it
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Please dont let my fancy words make you think I know what I'm taking about because I dont know much about the stuff. I looked at the risks, the rewards and a few medical papers and I'm still not 100% or even 50% understanding on the topic.

Mots-c is a peptide made from our mitochondria or mitochondrial DNA cells idk if theres even a difference between the 2 things I just said lol. It seems to upregulate into muscle after exercise and plays a role in glucose metabolism. Its supposed to improve metabolic function while adding mass ( I'm gonna guess that study was done on castrated rats or senior citizens and not athletes or bodybuilders or gym rats 😁🙄)
Reduces myostatin (lots of things do, it's not a myostatin inhibitor).
I saw some say it boosts lh and fsh, raises testosterone and improves the reproductive system.

I'm sure many of these things are exaggerated, but from my point of view with the little reading I've done is that it seems to make all our bodily functions work better. All its benefits are directly related to health and the fitness lifestyle.
 
Now how much is the question, will it even be noticeable? Idk, but if I take it while I'm on 1000mg of test and anadrol my results may be skewed 😁 its definitely not going to outwork my steroids on physique and strength so it's best saved for my trt or cut
 
You will always be a little stronger a little heavier, everything else being even. Especially if you want to chase 405, you’re going to appreciate the extra leverage. I had to get to 270, and was 273 the morning of with some ramen bloat.

I was doing a couple sets of triples with 340 and doubles with 360 prior to hitting it, to back up your metrics for where you will likely need to be to make the leap. 380 was FAST before it and 405 took everything I had.
 
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Smont said:
I scarfed mine down too fast but I made a extra plate for the photo Invalid Link Removedmeal 2 was just chicken and rice and meal 3 was chicken, rice vegetables.

Meal 1 was a shake but I forgot the igf des needed to be mixed and I forgot that. Soooooo. I'm gonna use the igf starting a few weeks in anyways. I was thinking about it last night. I'm already adding gear and food. Il save that one for later, il save the mots-c for after the cycle too because I dont want 7 variables
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Looks like nice clean healthy eatting!
 
Hyde said:
You will always be a little stronger a little heavier, everything else being even. Especially if you want to chase 405, you’re going to appreciate the extra leverage. I had to get to 270, and was 273 the morning of with some ramen bloat.

I was doing a couple sets of triples with 340 and doubles with 360 prior to hitting it, to back up your metrics for where you will likely need to be to make the leap. 380 was FAST before it and 405 took everything I had.
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Ya, I'm not very confident il get 405 in this short of a time but I figured my best chance is to gain weight and shoot for the stars. Worst case scenario I still get myself some kind of pr. Even 380 would be a victory. I'm gonna keep telling myself 405 tho for motivation
 
So is bench & deadlift always on the same day? And is your bench always off of blocks?

Solid looking gym set up. Is that the same facility as your boxing place, or different?
 
Segansational said:
So is bench & deadlift always on the same day? And is your bench always off of blocks?

Solid looking gym set up. Is that the same facility as your boxing place, or different?
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It dosent always fall on the same day buy most days it will. I'm trying to stick with a full body style but leave out enough stuff that I can train 2 days in a row sometimes.

Like sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. I might leave out deadlifts and shoulders Thursday so I can do some volume for them friday, kinda like how I did last week with chins, cgb and arms. Another time I might do extra legs and then not deadlift the next day. Or skip bench for a deadlift and lower body focused day. It seems confusing but I have a good outline to follow that makes sure I follow the log book and %'s each week to incrementally improve.


The board press or sometimes I stick a 16oz water bottle in my shirt instead. No it's not a regular thing for me at all, I hardly ever use that. But I have some pain in my left shoulder that I c as n eliminate with a 1-2in lift to remove that last part of the ROM. So giving that a break while still being able to hit .y numbers will give me a better shot at getting rid of that pain. I'm also doing lots of mobility stuff for shoulders so we will see what happens. I do make sure I can do full rom on warm ups to stretch it under load as long as it dont hurt
 
I feel like with only 8 weeks I need to get in as many bench and deadlift days as possible without being counterproductive
 
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For some reason we bought too many pork products so I'm trying to use some of it up. Plus I had the day off and nothing to do so I wanted something more creative then pork chops and white rice, which is probably what I'm doing for dinner and then I'm on to chicken breasts and ground beef for a few days.
 
I am gonna have to ween off of breads in favor of white rice and some fruit or il be too bloated on high days
 
Carb powders bout to come back on board

Sorry yall I'm planning the week on paper and here kinda at the same time lol. Most of this is all irrelevant
 
Your creative food porn looked delicious….as far as a quality carb, I like Karbolyn around and during workouts, when keeping carbs up.
 
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