Picked up some XPG, question
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sns8778
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Yes, the product is still getting into your skin.
Shake well before applying and spread a thin layer, don't try to run in too thoroughly - trying to really rub it in is part of what can cause it to seem like its turning into flakes or clumps.
Every ingredient is different and has different properties and with XPG the carriers are adjusted accordingly.
Dustin07
Legend
I didn't think of that. or maybe too much in one area? I only use one pump of any TD to any part of skin real estate. so one pump to left upper arm/shoulder trap, one pump to left, one pump to each foot, etc. if for some reason I need 5 pumps I'll either split my dose in half over the day, or at least wait 5-10 minutes before adding the other pump if I'm out of dry real estate.
lanky
Active member
i ran a month of ursa gel . i found that if i pump the gel directly on my body then rub it in works the best, if i try and rub it around in my hand before application to my body it clumps up like dried glue and is useless. the fragrance of this product is nice but i did not care for the mildly tacky skin feel. i only took it a month so i did not notice any effect for fat loss or endurance, ursa need a minimum of 2-3 months to see any significant results so be sure to buy a few bottles...i needed around2-3 months while taking PA's prototype UR Spray to get a noticeable effect
J-Test
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last time I ran Ursa I got results quick; I was using 3mL minimum per day. I don’t like the skin flaky thing either but I’ll take the trade off if means I can be more cost effective.
sns8778
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I've never heard of anyone rubbing it around in their hand before application, but I would never suggest that with any topical. It's best to either pump the 1 ml onto the skin or unto the fingertips and apply directly to the skin.
When applied correctly, I can't tell its on my skin within 5 minutes of applying it but I suppose everyone's different.
I think its an ingredient that different people respond differently to in the sense that some people say it takes awhile to really start to see results and others see results kick in pretty quickly.
Dustin07
Legend
sounds about right. I won't put my socks on until my feet are dry to the touch and it's not much more time than like brushing teeth, putting on deodorant etc. (I have a very specific order of operations from 4:45am till 5:15am. LOL)
sns8778
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I'm the same way - whether its applying it to tops of feet or inside of arms, I apply it and by the time I brush my teeth and put on deodorant and take my morning supplements, its dried and I'm ready to put socks or shirt on.
J-Test
New member
Yep - I discovered that the Ursa Gel goes on best for me immediately after a hot shower. It goes right into the skin with zero flaking. Otherwise, if I lightly rub there's some flaking depending on application area. I just put some on at the office and it's flake city. I'll go through these two bottles and make an assessment from there.
Funny enough - immediately after showing using the Suppress-C, that flakes as opposed to the Ursa right after a hot shower.
Keep Pressin,
BillD
Active member
Which is better for fat loss?
J-Test
New member
URSA recomps well.. I’ve kept off 12 pounds since mid December and I hit 255 twice on flat bench back on the 9th weighing 208-210, two shoulder surgeries, I’m stronger on pull than push. Oral Ursa is trash. topicals better.
Also you gotta eat decent, can’t wild out eating entire pizzas and **** like that. URSA for the win.
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BillD
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I’m on the fence between Supress c or the Ursa. Looking mainly fat loss. Never used either. Would running Suppress C and ECA stack be better than Ursa? Figure it would counter act the cortisol spike from the eca.
J-Test
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Never used ECA. Current xpg stack: Ursa Gel, Suppress C, Alpha Gel. Using a couple other topicals from one of their competitors.
Dustin07
Legend
My favorite.
baldwanus
Well-known member
The best option would be to just grab both
If I had to pick one specifically for fat loss, I'd probably go with Ursa.
BillD
Active member
The best option would be to just grab both
If I had to pick one specifically for fat loss, I'd probably go with Ursa.
Does it take weeks to notice anything like some say?
baldwanus
Well-known member
For me personally; With Ursa, using 3mL applied once a day a couple hours pre, I can feel myself being generally 'warmer' and sweating more, more or less right away. More vascular after a couple weeks, endurance boost probably takes ~3/4 weeks before I start noticing anything. Gets better with longer use. Ran it for about ~7 months straight last year haha.
With Supress-C, there isn't necessarily a whole lot to actually feel... but I can say that I notice my sleep is much deeper/less waking up fairly quick using it. 2mL a couple hours pre-sleep is my sweet spot.
sns8778
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I love the stack of Suppress-C and Ursa-Gel.
If choosing between them, one person may wind up liking one better and another person the other.
I think Ursa-Gel is more of what I'd consider for recomp and Suppress-C I would consider for fat loss, relaxation, etc.
They make an excellent stack because they're both great products but work differently.
If choosing between them, one person may wind up liking one better and another person the other.
I think Ursa-Gel is more of what I'd consider for recomp and Suppress-C I would consider for fat loss, relaxation, etc.
They make an excellent stack because they're both great products but work differently.
J-Test
New member
What’s your dosage and timing? I’ve been doing 2-3 pumps within the first 3 days of TRT shot then 4 pumps on and after day 4
BillD
Active member
Is it normal for the Ursa to flake? Not a big deal but just wanna make sure it’s actually getting absorbed.
BigGame84
Well-known member
Yes, normal. It's still absorbed. Just means you probably applied too much or rubbed too hard.
BillD
Active member
1 pump and literally starts to flake immediately. Gel actually feels rough.
BigGame84
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Who did you order from?
BillD
Active member
Dps
BigGame84
Well-known member
I've ordered Ursa recently from DPS and no issues with the carrier.
BillD
Active member
I don’t doubt that it’s legit I was just curious about the flaking and absorbing correctly.
BigGame84
Well-known member
Most of the XPG gels don't do much of anything when you shake them.
J-Test
New member
yeah, I think that particular batch from DPS must be flake-prone. I find immediately after shower it doesn’t flake. There’s a film but not flakey to where I feel it’s a waste. Another workaround I found is to get hot water and apply it to the area I’m going to apply, dry it off, and then apply XPG Ursa. Goes on as if I took a shower.
Interested to see if future batches are similar or if I just got a “have to shower first” batch
Dustin07
Legend
at times I throw it in to counter the effects of something else. for instance on long runs of ultrahard, or even a short stint of dermacrine i got minor gyno symptoms. I apply 2-3 pumps of alpha gel and within a few days my chest looks normal again.
I like that this product absorbs so well that I can put a pump on each foot, 5 minutes later put on my socks and I get the benefits of the product. Today I applied 2 pumps to my shoulders, the only product i'm currently on is
XPG Alpha Gel
SNS Optimize T
Anabolic Effect
so I'm enjoying the alpha gel more heavily since I'm not sharing skin real estate with another transdermal. one pump on each foot before bed always works well for me too.
sns8778
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I don't know what you mean by flaking, but if you're asking if its normal for there to be some residue from it, it's possible.
All XPG products use the Avant Labs carriers and are customized to the exact product/ingredient(s) for maximum absorption.
Thanks. And you are correct, there are no issues with the carrier on any batch.
It's ironic, I use Ursa-Gel consistently and I have never been able to replicate this issue. I have opened so many bottles trying to when this thread was originally posted, I'm not exaggerating that I probably have a 2 year supply I've opened and haven't been able to replicate it a single time.
I don't doubt that people do experience this, but it's definitely not common - and I think it is likely related to the product changing temperature in transit. All XPG products are stored in a climate controlled warehouse before shipping and I know DPS has a climate controlled warehouse, but no one can control the temperature of any product/ingredient in transit.
There is no issue with any batch of Ursa Gel.
I went into detail above in this post - as to number of bottles checked and not being able to replicate, as well as my thoughts on if anything, it could be related more to temperature changes in transit.
I don't ever apply any topical after showering bc I can't - and I've never had any issues with it. There may be a white residue, but that does not mean the product is not absorbing.
People want a super high dose per ml - that's what people have with Ursa-Gel. But as with anything, you push the dosing threshold to the highest point possible, there may be some residue from it.
There is 70 mg per ml/7 grams per bottle of Sodium Ursolate. Even IF let's say 5 mg. per ml was lost (which it isn't), you still have by far the most cost effective Sodium Ursolate product on the market by far.
sns8778
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100 ml per bottle
7 grams Sodium Ursolate per bottle
All Xtreme Performance Gels products use the Avant Labs carriers, which have long been considered by many people, especially those that remember Avant, to be the gold standard of topical carriers.
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70 mg. Sodium Ursolate per ml
100 ml per bottle
7 grams Sodium Ursolate per bottle
All Xtreme Performance Gels products use the Avant Labs carriers, which have long been considered by many people, especially those that remember Avant, to be the gold standard of topical carriers.
XPG does not use a one carrier fits all approach – the carrier is customized for each individual product/ingredient set to ensure maximum absorption.
Xtreme Performance Gels shares Avant Labs dedication to both science and quality.
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BillD
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Had me absolutely drenched all day. 2 ml dosage. Definitely getting absorbed and I think I agree with the temperature explanation…now that it’s been in my house for few days it’s not doing it anywhere near as much.
baldwanus
Well-known member
I'll preface this by saying I intentionally rubbed this in a little bit harder than I normally do to get this, but I'm assuming this is what others mean by 'flaking'... kinda little white balls that form up. But again, this is from me really 'rubbing' down, as opposed to just kind of gently spreading it out over the skin.
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sns8778
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Thanks, and yeah, I absolutely agree.
I've been able to replicate that like what you posted there, but like you said, it was by really rubbing it in, versus applying it gently, which is the way its supposed to be.
I think some people think of it as having to rub it into the skin so good in order to make it penetrate, when that's not the case at all. Penetrating the skin is the carriers job, it just needs to be applied gently over the skin.
In day to day life, I always tell people with topicals - you want to rub them on your skin, not try to rub them thru your skin.
I think what @BillD was asking about is likely a temperature change in transit thing, which I'm glad to see that after it's been at his house at room temperature that it isn't doing as much and that he can feel it working.
Chaimiasy
Member
That’s funny you say that about Supress C , nothing much to feel. I didn’t get anything from it unfortunately. I can’t even say it helped my sleep cause nothing changed in that matter. Which is why passed in buying it again this round and went with AET50 instead. Idk what it is but I am not having luck with XPG sns products. PEA relief is good stuff, CeL api and Epi I felt nice off of i like them both . 7oxo some decent ok results. But Mitoburn and PAXT , Suppress C, XPG Carnitine did absolutely nothing for me. And dude my diet and training is on point I meal prep 20 meals a week appx and eat super healthy train 5 days a week. I’m just being honest. I have 2 more bottles of Paxt which I plan on running hopefully the result ls are better
it’s why I been hesitant on buying any more sns product especially the more pricier ones. I have had better results with EvoMuse and I’m a fan of iron legion as well.
sns8778
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Interesting that you go out of your way to bump a thread that hadn't been replied in since Feb. just to put down products.
The most basic rule on Anabolic Minds is that you do not go into a company sub-forum and promote another company, nor do you say anything negative about another company.
Company sub-forums are for discussion of that company’s products and not to promote other brands or their products and aren’t to be used by companies to put down other brands or their products.
Sponsoring companies on here might not see eye to eye on everything and that's okay, but rarely, if ever, go into one another's sub-forums trying to create drama or post negative things about one another's products.
In this case, you bumped an old thread in the Xtreme Performance Gels sub-forum to put down SNS and XPG and to promote 2 other companies.
The irony of this post is that the active ingredient in Suppress-C, AET-50, and Iron Legion Invictus are the same.
If you like the ingredient, its brand or carrier preference as to whose you want to buy - all 3 are great products if you like the ingredient itself. But if you don't like the ingredient, then it isn't going to matter.
His post stated:
With Suppress-C, there isn't necessarily a whole lot to actually feel... but I can say that I notice my sleep is much deeper/less waking up fairly quick using it. 2mL a couple hours pre-sleep is my sweet spot.
^^^ His post was correct. A lot of people do say that the ingredient helps them sleep better and the ingredient is good for immune system health. I don't think any of the companies that make it claim that you are going to feel it at all, that's just something that a lot of people do feel from using it.
You've made statements in a lot of threads about not liking ingredients if you can't feel them working or can't feel them working fast enough. Just last week, you made some negative comments towards sponsor brands for being honest with people over how long it takes supplements to work - which I honestly don't understand, because I'd much rather a brand be honest with me about how long it takes something to work before I even buy the first bottle than lead me to think I'd get something off the first bottle when they know I may not. Brands being honest up front allows consumers to decide whether they should try those products for themselves or not.
With B-Androstenetriol, it takes more than a month for some people to notice the sleep benefits no matter what brand they use because it takes some people longer than that to notice it from the ingredient itself. If a customer used Invictus for a month or two and then switched to Suppress-C and then put down Invictus and said it didn't work and Suppress-C worked better, I would tell them myself the same thing - that the ingredient is the ingredient and its the same in both, and that the reason they're seeing better results was likely because they'd been on the ingredient itself long enough to start seeing that benefit.
And since I'm using Iron Legion's product as an example here, I'll tag @delsolrob, the owner of Iron Legion because I think if it was reversed, he would say the same thing.
As for your other comments, I'm going to keep my replies brief because I know the real reason for you doing this is because you don't like me, you've shown that under several different screen names. In spite of that, I've tried to help you just like I do everyone else that posts on here or that messages me. But it always goes the same - you'll start off saying a couple positive things about the products and then work your way into bashing on them.
7-OXO/7-Keto:
This is a great fat loss ingredient and has a lot of clinical studies. It is one of the more popular fat loss ingredients in bodybuilding circles and most people feel that a topical version delivers the best results. XPG FL7 was us bringing back the original FL7 by Avant Labs because it was super popular here and a lot of people asked us for it.
Almost anyone familiar with this ingredient is going to tell you that its an ingredient that you probably won't feel, but an ingredient that delivers great results in most people with realistic expectations.
You can find posts here on AM about the original Avant FL7 going back over 15 years and how much people like it.
MitoBurn:
You put down MitoBurn as an SNS product - MitoBurn is a clinically researched branded ingredient from NNB Nutrition.
SNS uses it in several products and the MitoBurn XT product delivers it at a 500 mg. dose at at great price for people that want to use the ingredient.
As with any ingredient, some people will respond better to things than others.
You're acting like we made something ourselves and it didn't work - we released MitoBurn XT because of a huge demand for MitoBurn, which is the most popular fat loss ingredient in the world right now.
Phosphatidic Acid XT:
You put this one down every chance you get. That's okay, bc there's a 9 page thread with a ton of feedback and several separate reviews here on AM of people enjoying it.
Maybe you don't respond to it, maybe you had unrealistic expectations from it, maybe you just like putting down our products - or a combination of those. No one here says more than me that different things work differently for different people, but the overall feedback on it speaks for itself:
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XPG L-Carnitine Gel:
This is one that most people can tell a noticeable difference with. There is a lot of feedback on it on here from all sorts of different people - natural trainers, people on TRT, even guys on anabolics that have talked about how it compares to injectable carnitine.
Again, maybe you're someone that doesn't respond to it, or maybe its about expectations, or maybe you used it differently, or maybe its that you just like putting down our products. But for people interested in real feedback, they can find it here:
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You insulting the pricing is not even worth replying to because we're known for providing top quality formulas at the best prices. You may not want to spend x amount on a supplement or may dislike a certain price range of supplements and that's fine, but making it out like we overprice anything is comical because we have formulas priced at 39.99, 49.99, and 59.99 that you would have to buy 3 or 4 separate products at the same prices to equal the ingredients used in those formulas.
That's something that most people appreciate about us is that we offer great products at great prices.
In one thread, you were talking about paying 89.99 for a single ingredient Muscletech product and then in the same thread making snide comments towards a product of ours that is 59.99 at full retail before any discounts that has 9 ingredients that have been clinically researched including 6 licensed branded ingredients.
You've come on here and insulted me for helping people on a forum that I've helped people on for over 15 years and insulted people that liked the products - when that didn't go your way, you deleted your posts and changed your screen name.
Then you came back on and tried to make it more believable by saying a few positive things about the products before going into bashing them - and for the most part, I just ignore it.
I have no interest in arguing with you and I don't need to argue with you. I rarely ever post anything that is opinion, I post facts and science and facts and science are what they are - facts and science.
Anabolic Minds is supposed to be a place for people that enjoy supplements and enjoy the science to be able to come and learn and help one another and to ask questions. It's not a place where people should be insulted or put down for asking questions, like you did the person last week that was a new member posting his first thread. Stuff like that causes this place to lose members and could discourage people from even trying to learn about supplements, training, and nutrition - there's too much negativity in the world as it is and many people turn to working out and learning as an escape from it.
Dustin07
Legend
Been using Supress-C now for about a week roughly and I think I'm seeing the impact already. For one thing, sleep seems to have improved again drastically. For another, it seems like after cutting roughly 17lbs, 11 in the last 8 weeks or so (and 20 total), I had stalled quite a bit. Suddenly in the last few days it's been laddering down a few more lbs (rather than zig zagging up and down). As of right now I have no reason to think this product isn't making a pretty valuable contribution.
Joshlm69
Well-known member
Sounds amazing but how do you have enough real estate for another TD! I'm already using 4 pumps of L-Cartinine & 4 pumps of 7OXO and im practically covered where I dont have any hair
Dustin07
Legend
morning dose right now is just gear cream to the shoulders, supress-c to the feet. by the time I'm preWO, it's been 5-6hrs so adding a little carnitine to the delts, inner biceps etc hasn't been an issue. 6hrs later I'm home, ready to shower etc and can start the process over. I'm saving my alpha gel for another couple weeks until my gear cream cycle ends. Especially now since the Supress-C seems to give me the same sleep improvement.
I have thrown in alpha gel a couple times in the last month when my nipples felt a little warm/itchy for a couple days but aside fromt that I'm stocking up for later. I am thinking about ordering some XPG Pump Gel for when my carnitine runs out though so I can compare them.
SBH
Well-known member
I keep a spray bottle of 91% alcohol on hand for solubility issues. Just spray the area and it goes back into solution and absorbs very well.
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sns8778
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There's a lot of feedback on Ursa-Gel that would disagree with your statement about it not working.
You've been here for a long time according to your join date, so you probably remember Par and Avant and them explaining things like this many times over the years.
Par is the head scientific advisor for XPG and XPG uses the Avant Labs carrier.
Simply put - Ursa-Gel is very highly dosed - 70 mg. per ml.
When you go that high of a dose per ml on some things, especially when it has the properties of Sodium Ursolate, there may be sticking together under certain circumstances. There are fixes that can be done, but the only way to absolutely avoid it would be to lower the dosage of the product per ml.
Think about it like this - if you were to lose even 20% per ml (which you wouldn't), its still 10% more per ml and less expensive per ml than other brands.
There are 2 situations in which this is going to happen more commonly:
- When people rub it on too hard. That's why we say - rub it on, not rub it in. You cannot physically rub something through your skin. That is the job of the penetration enhancers in the carrier. An important note here is also that you cannot see something go through your skin - you cannot see on a molecular level; if something is white, there may be a white residue. We cannot make something that's white not be white - especially without diluting it.
- When it gets hot/cold in transit or storage conditions. For example, you do what I did, and put it on the bathroom counter by a vent. There's an easy fix to that: You fill a coffee cup up with warm water to the neckline of the bottle (not over the cap) and then you submerge the bottle for 30 seconds. Take it out, shake it. Repeat again. I've never heard of a situation where someone did this correctly that it didn't fix it.
If people really want us to lower the dosage of the product to avoid this, we can. It's better margin for us by doing so - we're simply trying to offer consumers the best value for their money by dosing it highly.
And there's absolutely nothing we can do to make an individual not rub it on so hard except tell people not to, and nothing we can do to keep it from getting it hot/cold after it leaves our warehouse.
Ursa-Gel is by far the best value for an Ursolic Acid td, and like I said above, even if you lost 20%, it would still be the best value and best dose Ursolic Acid td available. Sometimes I feel like we'd be better off not to try so hard to offer people the best value.
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sns8778
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^^^ It's truly a simple and easy fix and by far the best value for a td Ursolic Acid.
But we realize anyway that td is nowhere near as convenient as capsules for most people, which is why we we came out with a phytosomal Ursolic Acid supplement. Like a td, it solves the oral bioavailability and rapid elimination issues with Ursolic Acid, just through a different delivery mechanism that allows for the convenience of oral use.
There has been so much interest in Ursa-Bolic from general health and longevity consumers, that we are going to be doing the same exact product under a different line for the health and longevity aspects of it. The natural anabolic and recomposition aspects make some feel that it is only a bodybuilding supplement, when the reality is that it has tremendous overall health and longevity benefits.
Here is a link to the write up on Ursa-Bolic: https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/ursa-bolic/
But we realize anyway that td is nowhere near as convenient as capsules for most people, which is why we we came out with a phytosomal Ursolic Acid supplement. Like a td, it solves the oral bioavailability and rapid elimination issues with Ursolic Acid, just through a different delivery mechanism that allows for the convenience of oral use.
There has been so much interest in Ursa-Bolic from general health and longevity consumers, that we are going to be doing the same exact product under a different line for the health and longevity aspects of it. The natural anabolic and recomposition aspects make some feel that it is only a bodybuilding supplement, when the reality is that it has tremendous overall health and longevity benefits.
Here is a link to the write up on Ursa-Bolic: https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/ursa-bolic/
alexoc949
Active member
Thanks for the informative reply. I guess I just grew frustrated with it but I’ll take your advice and see how it goes.
And yeah, super great value