Classic Kleen - The Road To Competition Fall 2024

[gphagan1]

You definitely have good genetics, but as already stated it takes hard work to go from average gym in shape to competition level. You are obviously a great responder to Test and Mast as well, and sometimes that’s the hard part to explain to new guys, not everyone responds well to certain anabolics as others. That’s why I have my list of preferred anabolics, because they are what I respond the best to with the least sides. Since you turned on the switch after hiring your coach you have reached another level. Between the consistent training, eating properly, and being a great responder to Test and Mast you have had a perfect storm, where everything is already coming together with months left to go.
And Happy Birthday to Mrs. Kleen.

 

[akboom87]

Hell yeah that last photo is sick!! Hope you and the wife had a good fun day and some good food!

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Post it man.

You look awesome, and you have definitely worked hard and suffered for it.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

That is one hell of a 90 day transformation. Way to work Sir! Keep Killin it!

 

[MrKleen73]

You definitely have good genetics, but as already stated it takes hard work to go from average gym in shape to competition level. You are obviously a great responder to Test and Mast as well, and sometimes that’s the hard part to explain to new guys, not everyone responds well to certain anabolics as others. That’s why I have my list of preferred anabolics, because they are what I respond the best to with the least sides. Since you turned on the switch after hiring your coach you have reached another level. Between the consistent training, eating properly, and being a great responder to Test and Mast you have had a perfect storm, where everything is already coming together with months left to go.
And Happy Birthday to Mrs. Kleen.

Agreed, and thank you!

Hell yeah that last photo is sick!! Hope you and the wife had a good fun day and some good food!

I did my best to match macros there, and honestly probably ended up a little low for the day. We did have a great meal with the family though!

Post it man.

You look awesome, and you have definitely worked hard and suffered for it.

Thank You Sir!

That is one hell of a 90 day transformation. Way to work Sir! Keep Killin it!

Thank you!

Since I just took these earlier this morning in a fasted state, I thought I would put of an apples to apples shot of the transformation. So same pose, both fasted 3 months apart is more like this. The gyno / pseudo-gyno has gone down a lot. Size increases are obvious, and todays weight puts me up a solid 16lbs from my low during the cut.

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199.2 210.4

 

[gphagan1]

Yeah the gyno/pseudo gyno is not noticeable at all. And really you look like you added more weight than you have, but you’re still maintaining good definition. How are some of the injuries and aches and pains doing?

 

[Dustin07]

Thanks, and agreed. I don't mind if someone who knows what it takes knows. I just don't like it when it is dismissive. Also to be honest most people could not achieve my physique even on gear, and doing everything right. I don't have amazing genetics, but I definitely don't have average genetics either, and I have always tried to stay somewhat symmetrical. Just now I need to be symmetrical for a body builder which is a whole different animal but I am well on my way.
Facts, on all accounts.

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Shoulders & Triceps - Thursday, Dec 28, 2023 at 9:22pm

Seated Arnold Press (Dumbbell) - Went with this to free up my motion and avoid the catchy spot in the bottom with a more elbows in scapular plane of motion.
"11+1 partial,15+2 partials"
Set 1: 45 lbs x 11 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 2: 35 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

Standing Lateral Raise - Wycked Style
Set 1: 20 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 60 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 4: 15 lbs x 20 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - Last 2 were 3/4 partials

Incline DB Rear Delt Flyes
Set 1: 25 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 20 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 30 lbs x 18 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

Upright Row (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 40 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 25 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 4: 25 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - I dropped some weight on these but my shoulders were already thrashed so it was okay. I just slowed things down and made them really count.

Cross Cable Tricep Extension
Set 1: 50 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 50 lbs x 13 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 3: 40 lbs x 13 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - +2 reps

Triceps Dip Body Weight = 214-217 at time
Set 1: 15 reps
Set 2: 11 reps - Done super strict with a full stop and pause in bottom.

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Now to be fair to the people assuming gear, this is the change people around me have seen in the last 3 months. Also when looking at the comparison keep in mind, I have a fresh pump in the 2nd one. I would guess my body weight was around 214-217 at the time of the pics considering I woke up at 211.2 lbs.

9/30/23 - 199.2 Fasted
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To around 214-217 in this pics tonight fed and pumped after shoulders and triceps session.
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Like I said, there has been a change in how I am holding the weight, size and thickness. I am responding to the last increase like a friggin newbie! I can't wait to see myself at 5% or lower, especially if we push for another 4 weeks which I believe is the plan. The combo of muscle memory, and gear is a beautiful thing. I love that I am still lean enough to see the veins in my obliques too!

The vascularity and definition at the higher weight is still mind blowing, the heavier you is looking leaner. You remind me of Branch Warren in the second pic, that dude is/was a beast in his hay day.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah the gyno/pseudo gyno is not noticeable at all. And really you look like you added more weight than you have, but you’re still maintaining good definition. How are some of the injuries and aches and pains doing?

Thanks, and I agree. I have added more muscle, well not muscle but lbm than the total gain reflects for sure. My lower back is doing okay now, but my right labrum, and trap are aggravated the last 2 days. Definitely the labrum here, not the spine issue. I mentioned earlier that I accidentally hit full failure on chest press this week instead of the RPE9 RP RPE9, RP RPE9 set up I had moved to for safety. It was early morning and I read the original exercise note and just started working and forgot to adjust it. I will ice it later, then hit some ibuprofen throughout the day tomorrow where I am less likely blunting growth. I may adjust my arm session today to give that area some rest, we will see if anything aggravates it.

The good news is I can schedule an ART session after the New Year and get some of these little nagging areas under control.

The vascularity and definition at the higher weight is still mind blowing, the heavier you is looking leaner. You remind me of Branch Warren in the second pic, that dude is/was a beast in his hay day.

Thanks for compliment, I was a big fan of his powerhouse look.

Just had a big meal gonna go take a nap then get up take my pre-workout and get ready to go to the gym.

 

[Hyde]

Those photos of the same pose/lighting really show the absolute changes very well - looking like a bodybuilder I’d say!

 

[sammpedd88]

The apple bottom jeans. Don't forget the boots with the fur.

And remember when squatting get low low low low

Or you could always go with the baggy sweat pants and the reeboks with the straps.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

Or you could always go with the baggy sweat pants and the reeboks with the straps.

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[MrKleen73]

Those photos of the same pose/lighting really show the absolute changes very well - looking like a bodybuilder I’d say!

Thanks, yeah, things are getting serious!

Or you could always go with the baggy sweat pants and the reeboks with the straps.

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LMAO! I forgot about that scene it has been so long since I saw it.

This was Friday's session that carried over to yesterday.

Back & Hamstrings - Friday, Dec 29, 2023 at 2:10pm

Seated Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 65 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 80 lbs x 15 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 90 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 4: 70 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe - Increased 5lbs on all sets.

Replaced Rack Pulls with 2 sets of GHR to failure, and modified back and erectors shrugs on Arsenal Low Row Machine.

Glute Ham Raise - Failed on following rep on both
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 9 reps

Arsenal Wide grip Pronated Chest Supported Row
Set 1: 70 lbs x 10 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 70 lbs x 10 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 80 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe

Single Arm Cable Row - Replaced DB Row to aid with tight trap
Set 1: 50 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - Failed on following rep
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe

Arsenal Bilateral Lat Pulldown - Replaced Pull Over which can trigger issues once my labrum is already aggravated.
Set 1: 45 lbs x 11 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 45 lbs x 4 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 45 lbs x 2 @ 10 rpe

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Yesterday's Arm Session

Arms - Saturday, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:34pm

SA Triceps Rope Extension +10lbs on all sets but the last it was down 10lbs
Set 1: 50 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 50 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 4: 20 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) - Failed on following rep for all sets.
Set 1: 12 lbs x 18 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - Increased weight
Set 2: 10 lbs x 16 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 3: 10 lbs x 16 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

EZ Bar Skullcrusher
Set 1: 65 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 2: 55 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 55 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe - Pushing so much harder on SA Rope Triceps had me toasted for these. Had tolower weight slightly.

Diamond Push Up - Total reps have been pretty consistent here. Great finisher!!!
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 8 reps
Set 3: 6 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl
Set 1: 25 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 30 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe - +5lbs
Set 3: 35 lbs x 6 @ 10 rpe [Failure] +10lbs - missed 2 reps.

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
Set 1: 45 lbs x 12 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 45 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 45 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe - These were downright painful with the pump and burn. Need to go to 50 next time.


Heading to the gym now to get my last cardio session of the week... Well, I guess make that year in.

Going to my cousin's house on the bay tonight. Should be lots of fireworks and fun to be had. Looking forward to enjoying the time with family and some good fireworks.

I hope everyone has a Happy and Safe New Year's Eve, and a great year ahead of you!

 

[akboom87]

Thanks, yeah, things are getting serious!
LOL
LMAO! I forgot about that scene it has been so long since I saw it.

This was Friday's session that carried over to yesterday.

Back & Hamstrings - Friday, Dec 29, 2023 at 2:10pm

Seated Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 65 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 80 lbs x 15 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 90 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 4: 70 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe - Increased 5lbs on all sets.

Replaced Rack Pulls with 2 sets of GHR to failure, and modified back and erectors shrugs on Arsenal Low Row Machine.

Glute Ham Raise - Failed on following rep on both
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 9 reps

Arsenal Wide grip Pronated Chest Supported Row
Set 1: 70 lbs x 10 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 70 lbs x 10 @ 8 rpe
Set 3: 80 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe

Single Arm Cable Row - Replaced DB Row to aid with tight trap
Set 1: 50 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - Failed on following rep
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe

Arsenal Bilateral Lat Pulldown - Replaced Pull Over which can trigger issues once my labrum is already aggravated.
Set 1: 45 lbs x 11 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 45 lbs x 4 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 45 lbs x 2 @ 10 rpe

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Yesterday's Arm Session

Arms - Saturday, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:34pm

SA Triceps Rope Extension +10lbs on all sets but the last it was down 10lbs
Set 1: 50 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 50 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 4: 20 lbs x 20 @ 7.5 rpe

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) - Failed on following rep for all sets.
Set 1: 12 lbs x 18 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - Increased weight
Set 2: 10 lbs x 16 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 3: 10 lbs x 16 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

EZ Bar Skullcrusher
Set 1: 65 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 2: 55 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 55 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe - Pushing so much harder on SA Rope Triceps had me toasted for these. Had tolower weight slightly.

Diamond Push Up - Total reps have been pretty consistent here. Great finisher!!!
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 8 reps
Set 3: 6 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl
Set 1: 25 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 30 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe - +5lbs
Set 3: 35 lbs x 6 @ 10 rpe [Failure] +10lbs - missed 2 reps.

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
Set 1: 45 lbs x 12 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 45 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 45 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe - These were downright painful with the pump and burn. Need to go to 50 next time.


Heading to the gym now to get my last cardio session of the week... Well, I guess make that year in.

Going to my cousin's house on the bay tonight. Should be lots of fireworks and fun to be had. Looking forward to enjoying the time with family and some good fireworks.

I hope everyone has a Happy and Safe New Year's Eve, and a great year ahead of you!

Looks like some awesome arm pumps! Good sessions. Happy new year man! Have a good evening!!

 

[gphagan1]

Happy New Years brother, I hope you and your family have an awesome 2024, and you’re able to bring home a win or wins.

 

[Dustin07]

2024, rise and grind!

 

[MrKleen73]

Looks like some awesome arm pumps! Good sessions. Happy new year man! Have a good evening!!

Thanks Man, Happy New Year!

Happy New Years brother, I hope you and your family have an awesome 2024, and you’re able to bring home a win or wins.

Happy New Year to you too! Thanks for the well wishes!

2024, rise and grind!

Yes Sir, about to head to the gym for my first session of the year. Chest, Biceps and gonna just knock out cardio while there so I don't have to go back later.

 

[Dustin07]

Thanks Man, Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you too! Thanks for the well wishes!
Yes Sir, about to head to the gym for my first session of the year. Chest, Biceps and gonna just knock out cardio while there so I don't have to go back later.

That's exactly what I just did and finished with walking a little 9 hole golf course for 67 minutes of cardio to start the month

 

[MrKleen73]

Chest & Biceps - Monday, Jan 01, 2024 at 4:37pm

Incline Chest Press (Machine)
Set 1: 115 lbs x 7 @ 10 rpe
Set 1 RP1: 115 lbs x 3 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 1 RP2: 115 lbs x 2 @ 9.5 rpe
Down Set: 100 lbs x 7 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2 RP1: 100 lbs x 2 @ 10 rpe
Set 2 RP2: 100 lbs x 2 @ 10 rpe

Iso-Lateral Chest Press (Machine)
Set 1: 90 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 75 lbs x 7 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 65 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 4: 50 lbs x 3 @ 10 rpe [Drop]
Set 5: 25 lbs x 5 @ 10 rpe [Drop]

Bench Press (Cable)
Set 1: 70 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 70 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

Chest Fly (Machine)
Set 1: 65 lbs x 21 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 65 lbs x 21 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 70 lbs x 21 @ 10 rpe - Went up on last set. This machine feels heavier than the one at the other gym.

Spider Curl (Dumbbell) - Done single arm due to set up limitations.
Set 1: 25 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 25 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe

Bicep Curl (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 15 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 15 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 15 lbs x 14 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

Great pump, and got told I was looking huge by someone who had not seen me recently.

Okay, have to shove more food in my mouth now. LOL

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

Always nice to hear from someone who knows you but hasn’t seen you in a while. Those comments feel the best. Much better than “have you lost weight?” When in a bulk. Lmao!
Pretty soon people will be asking if you have to turn sideways to fit through doors

 

[MrKleen73]

Pretty soon people will be asking if you have to turn sideways to fit through doors

No doubt, just keep adding weight without any caloric increase. I was 212.4 this morning. My body doesn't want to let go of any of this food. It's like, NOPE, this is all MINE!!!!

Still waiting on my feedback from Saturday's check in. Starting to feel like maybe coach has too many clients to keep up with at this point. I can see he hasn't even seen my check in yet. I am going to get up earlier on Saturdays to make sure I get it to him by 8:00-8:30AM. See if I can't get in the first wave of check ins. I am sure some of this has to do with the holiday too. It would just benefit me greatly to be able to buy my food for the week, and have it prepped on Sunday.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

No doubt, just keep adding weight without any caloric increase. I was 212.4 this morning. My body doesn't want to let go of any of this food. It's like, NOPE, this is all MINE!!!!

Still waiting on my feedback from Saturday's check in. Starting to feel like maybe coach has too many clients to keep up with at this point. I can see he hasn't even seen my check in yet. I am going to get up earlier on Saturdays to make sure I get it to him by 8:00-8:30AM. See if I can't get in the first wave of check ins. I am sure some of this has to do with the holiday too. It would just benefit me greatly to be able to buy my food for the week, and have it prepped on Sunday.

You are up at least 10 QUALITY POUNDS. Way to work man! I see your point w your check in not showing a “read receipt”. That was Sat, it’s now Tues. but it is/was the holidays. But 100% agree if food list is to be modified it’s nice to ration and prep on weekend. Hopefully just a 1 time thing. Keep coming at us w those good numbers!

 

[Hyde]

I would always buy on time & eat like the week previously and just adjust from there whenever you get any changes.

I mean I appreciate your conundrum, just saying that in the absence of revised direction I would keep doing what was status quo. Very rarely will there be a dietary change so drastic you’d waste any actual meat. I would never waste it, just adjust elsewhere until the meat is gone, unless you are 3 weeks from a show.

 

[Dustin07]

My wife is also really good about judging how much extra meat we may have by the time it reaches expiration, and throwing it in the freezer. I don't really worry about wasting produce because I will give extra to the chickens, (honestly we rarely have any food waste at all) but I absolutely hate wasting meat. I don't like animal protein (or the animal itself) going to waste. But like I said, sometimes it cracks me up when my wife pulls out a brisket I had smoked months ago from the freezer. This weekend she pulled out a freezer ziplock of soup she had made like 2 months ago and it was fantastic

 

[MrKleen73]

You are up at least 10 QUALITY POUNDS. Way to work man! I see your point w your check in not showing a “read receipt”. That was Sat, it’s now Tues. but it is/was the holidays. But 100% agree if food list is to be modified it’s nice to ration and prep on weekend. Hopefully just a 1 time thing. Keep coming at us w those good numbers!

Definitely not a one time thing. He just took on a slew of clients after the last 2 shows he and his competitors did. So things have been going a bit slower the last 3-4 weeks.

I would always buy on time & eat like the week previously and just adjust from there whenever you get any changes.

I mean I appreciate your conundrum, just saying that in the absence of revised direction I would keep doing what was status quo. Very rarely will there be a dietary change so drastic you’d waste any actual meat. I would never waste it, just adjust elsewhere until the meat is gone, unless you are 3 weeks from a show.

That is exactly what I have been doing the last few weeks while waiting for the changes. Certain things appear to be staples, and we just increase the carb load for the most part. Plus, I haven't needed a change the last 3 weeks, my scale weight continues to climb on the current calories. The only thing I really expect a change on is gear if anything because I am not leaning out as I think he expected. Just getting bigger and bigger around the same body fat I have been since my Anniversary trip.

My wife is also really good about judging how much extra meat we may have by the time it reaches expiration, and throwing it in the freezer. I don't really worry about wasting produce because I will give extra to the chickens, (honestly we rarely have any food waste at all) but I absolutely hate wasting meat. I don't like animal protein (or the animal itself) going to waste. But like I said, sometimes it cracks me up when my wife pulls out a brisket I had smoked months ago from the freezer. This weekend she pulled out a freezer ziplock of soup she had made like 2 months ago and it was fantastic

Yeah, remembering to freeze some of it is key if you make a lot. It's good when someone has the forethought to do that.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

Definitely not a one time thing. He just took on a slew of clients after the last 2 shows he and his competitors did. So things have been going a bit slower the last 3-4 weeks.
That is exactly what I have been doing the last few weeks while waiting for the changes. Certain things appear to be staples, and we just increase the carb load for the most part. Plus, I haven't needed a change the last 3 weeks, my scale weight continues to climb on the current calories. The only thing I really expect a change on is gear if anything because I am not leaning out as I think he expected. Just getting bigger and bigger around the same body fat I have been since my Anniversary trip.
Yeah, remembering to freeze some of it is key if you make a lot. It's good when someone has the forethought to do that.

I hope he is still focused on you and not just Lamborghinis and butlers (got to work that one in twice today lol )

 

[MrKleen73]

I hope he is still focused on you and not just Lamborghinis and butlers (got to work that one in twice today lol )

Great news, this was just a misunderstanding. I posted my check in on time by a couple minutes, but then I asked him a couple questions after that. So when he looked at the time stamp he saw that it said 12:30PM and thought it was a late check in which he does not respond to. So we made an arrangement, basically I will get them in a little earlier, which I normally do, and if I ever cut the line close, I won't ask questions after until I get my first response from him so he doesn't think it came in late. I can totally respect that, I mean if my complaint is my time, then I totally get his rule about check ins being on time, or not read at all, and expect him to hold me to that. So chalking it up to a misunderstanding. He told me if I ever put one in and don't get an answer that day, or the next morning at the latest to just ping him. Anyway, I am happy to have that resolved. This was the 2nd week this happened so I was a little concerned but we got it all worked out.

Unfortunately, I am not feeling very well today. Had a bad case of glub glub, that is what the wife and I call it when our stomachs are f'ed up, and pushing everything out the back door. It's the noise / feeling your gut has when sick like that. I have no appetite, and can't get whole food down right now. Luckily, I went and got some new protein powder, and some carb powder so going to have liquid calories the rest of the day. I have been pretty tired the last 2-3 days, wondering if I have been fighting this off for a little bit or something. I have taken long naps the last 3 days. Basically, today has been a wash for me. No lifting or cardio today. Hoping to feel better in the morning when I get up for the gym. Will just move my leg day to tomorrow and then add time to my other cardio sessions to get me caught back up on cardio for the week too.

I definitely won't be 212 when I wake up tomorrow... UGH...

 

[akboom87]

Great news, this was just a misunderstanding. I posted my check in on time by a couple minutes, but then I asked him a couple questions after that. So when he looked at the time stamp he saw that it said 12:30PM and thought it was a late check in which he does not respond to. So we made an arrangement, basically I will get them in a little earlier, which I normally do, and if I ever cut the line close, I won't ask questions after until I get my first response from him so he doesn't think it came in late. I can totally respect that, I mean if my complaint is my time, then I totally get his rule about check ins being on time, or not read at all, and expect him to hold me to that. So chalking it up to a misunderstanding. He told me if I ever put one in and don't get an answer that day, or the next morning at the latest to just ping him. Anyway, I am happy to have that resolved. This was the 2nd week this happened so I was a little concerned but we got it all worked out.

Unfortunately, I am not feeling very well today. Had a bad case of glub glub, that is what the wife and I call it when our stomachs are f'ed up, and pushing everything out the back door. It's the noise / feeling your gut has when sick like that. I have no appetite, and can't get whole food down right now. Luckily, I went and got some new protein powder, and some carb powder so going to have liquid calories the rest of the day. I have been pretty tired the last 2-3 days, wondering if I have been fighting this off for a little bit or something. I have taken long naps the last 3 days. Basically, today has been a wash for me. No lifting or cardio today. Hoping to feel better in the morning when I get up for the gym. Will just move my leg day to tomorrow and then add time to my other cardio sessions to get me caught back up on cardio for the week too.

I definitely won't be 212 when I wake up tomorrow... UGH...

Glad it was a simple miss understanding. Hopefully you will be on the mend quick! I know that crap I had took about a week to shake. Everyone seems to have something a little different around here at least.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

Great news, this was just a misunderstanding. I posted my check in on time by a couple minutes, but then I asked him a couple questions after that. So when he looked at the time stamp he saw that it said 12:30PM and thought it was a late check in which he does not respond to. So we made an arrangement, basically I will get them in a little earlier, which I normally do, and if I ever cut the line close, I won't ask questions after until I get my first response from him so he doesn't think it came in late. I can totally respect that, I mean if my complaint is my time, then I totally get his rule about check ins being on time, or not read at all, and expect him to hold me to that. So chalking it up to a misunderstanding. He told me if I ever put one in and don't get an answer that day, or the next morning at the latest to just ping him. Anyway, I am happy to have that resolved. This was the 2nd week this happened so I was a little concerned but we got it all worked out.

Unfortunately, I am not feeling very well today. Had a bad case of glub glub, that is what the wife and I call it when our stomachs are f'ed up, and pushing everything out the back door. It's the noise / feeling your gut has when sick like that. I have no appetite, and can't get whole food down right now. Luckily, I went and got some new protein powder, and some carb powder so going to have liquid calories the rest of the day. I have been pretty tired the last 2-3 days, wondering if I have been fighting this off for a little bit or something. I have taken long naps the last 3 days. Basically, today has been a wash for me. No lifting or cardio today. Hoping to feel better in the morning when I get up for the gym. Will just move my leg day to tomorrow and then add time to my other cardio sessions to get me caught back up on cardio for the week too.

I definitely won't be 212 when I wake up tomorrow... UGH...

Mix ups happen! Such is life.
Hope u r feeling better. Hate the bubble guts

 

[MrKleen73]

Glad it was a simple miss understanding. Hopefully you will be on the mend quick! I know that crap I had took about a week to shake. Everyone seems to have something a little different around here at least.

Yeah, stuff has been going around for sure.

Mix ups happen! Such is life.
Hope u r feeling better. Hate the bubble guts

Yep, no doubt, and a totally understandable one too. Thanks, and same here. Knocking back a protein shake right this moment. Then going to try to get down an Almond Butter & Jelly sandwich & some liquid carbs. Then repeat before bed, but adding a tbls of EVOO after. Gotta try to get it in somehow.

 

[Hyde]

Good luck with your Glub Glub!

 

[sammpedd88]

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[gphagan1]

Hope your Glub Glub gets better…..there’s a pretty bad stomach virus going on around here, hopefully you don’t have something like that.
Glad you got it worked out with your coach, because everything is working for you, and I know you don’t want anything to derail your progress.

 

[Dustin07]

glub glub cracked me up, I think everyone can relate to that lol

I hope it doesn't last long buddy!! post holiday stress is the perfect time for the immunity to show some chinks in the armor...

 

[MrKleen73]

Good luck with your Glub Glub!

Thanks! I think I feel a little better this morning, but hard to tell after a leg session.

Hope your Glub Glub gets better…..there’s a pretty bad stomach virus going on around here, hopefully you don’t have something like that.
Glad you got it worked out with your coach, because everything is working for you, and I know you don’t want anything to derail your progress.

Agreed, things are going well, and I definitely did not want to have to change things up all of the sudden. I am in a groove right now.

glub glub cracked me up, I think everyone can relate to that lol

I hope it doesn't last long buddy!! post holiday stress is the perfect time for the immunity to show some chinks in the armor...

Seems a bit better today. Still not much of an appetite, and stomach a little upset but not too bad. Better than yesterday so that is good.

So coach gave me an option for a show August 24th, and or Dec 7th. Dec 7th is the last opportunity to qualify for nationals. Going to discuss with him and the wife. Trying do decide if we should wait for December and try to put some extra size on with the 3 extra months or schedule to possibly do 2 shows to have 2 shots to make nationals.

I wasn't able to complete my session this morning. Had to take some longer breaks to keep nausea at bay, and didn't have time to get get through my hamstrings, so I chose not to start them. I don't really want to break them up like that. Instead, I will be doing RDL's, Leg curls and calves during lunch when I do my cardio.

 

[Dustin07]

So coach gave me an option for a show August 24th, and or Dec 7th. Dec 7th is the last opportunity to qualify for nationals. Going to discuss with him and the wife. Trying do decide if we should wait for December and try to put some extra size on with the 3 extra months or schedule to possibly do 2 shows to have 2 shots to make nationals.

would it be too taxing and expensive to do both? seems to me like both would be optimal and treat August like your warm-up

 

[Hyde]

would it be too taxing and expensive to do both? seems to me like both would be optimal and treat August like your warm-up

That’s the biggest consideration in my mind, do you want to foot the bill. I think doing more shows is better from the perspective of getting stage experience before nationals. I don’t think the extra 3 months of mass-gaining will make the difference in your placing considering your size already.

 

[MrKleen73]

would it be too taxing and expensive to do both? seems to me like both would be optimal and treat August like your warm-up

Well looking at them he is giving me 3 months in between so I would get a small recover, and rebuild window there. So, I don't think too taxing on me, taxing yes for sure but I think it is doable for sure.

Monetarily, I am willing to do up to 2 shows to try to qualify for nationals. Got a little money going off to the side for that purpose now. Preferably I can qualify at the first show and if things go really well there I may not do the 2nd show and hold off for nationals so I am not doing 2 peak weeks in a row. I believe nationals are the following week after the Dec 5th show. However, if I still need stage polishing then we will do it anyway.

That’s the biggest consideration in my mind, do you want to foot the bill. I think doing more shows is better from the perspective of getting stage experience before nationals. I don’t think the extra 3 months of mass-gaining will make the difference in your placing considering your size already.

This was my thought too. I won't lie and say the move to open doesn't make me want to get even bigger, but how much extra could I really grow in that time with how much I have already grown this year. I think you are likely correct that there would not be much of a noticeable difference. However the stage experience could do wonders for what I present at Nationals if I qualify. Jo is on board, and thinks it makes sense for me to do 2 attempts to qualify for nationals, and her support is enough for me.

So as of right now it is looking like this will be the show I will be doing first. Johnnie Jackson Classic 8/24/24 so 7 months and 3 weeks from now. Having a date in mind makes it even a little more real. Kind of curious how we will run the cycling. If there will be a cruise in the middle or will we go straight from mass gaining right into the prep cycle. I told him I am all in this year to make a serious run at it so I am curious how we will approach that. Going to ask him this week if he can give me a list of what compounds he thinks we will be using for the remainder of the year so I can put in an order to make sure I have everything ready. Plus my test is going fast, and I am going to need to re-up sooner than later, since I wasn't expecting to be pushing test this high as early as it got there. At 3.5ml's per week those 5ml bottles are going fast! I do still have 4 of them, and then 3 300/ml 10ml bottles of Test e but they will go quickly. So just want to get my ducks in a row.

 

[Dustin07]

Got a little money going off to the side for that purpose now. Preferably I can qualify at the first show and if things go really well there I may not do the 2nd show and hold off for nationals so I am not doing 2 peak weeks in a row. I believe nationals are the following week after the Dec 5th show. However, if I still need stage polishing then we will do it anyway.

The Johnnie Jackson is in PA? are both shows going to be long travel situations? I can see how that becomes financially more challenging if you're talking about flights and hotels for both. oh I see another listing at Ft Worth, that would save some $$

 

[MrKleen73]

The Johnnie Jackson is in PA? are both shows going to be long travel situations? I can see how that becomes financially more challenging if you're talking about flights and hotels for both. oh I see another listing at Ft Worth, that would save some $$

No, they might have one up there too, this one is in Ft. Worth Texas, close to Dallas so a 5ish hour drive. The second option is in Irving Tx, which is also just outside of Dallas. That is where the nationals will be too.

 

[Dustin07]

two shows in Texas helps!!
I have a buddy getting ready for the Emerald Classic out here. I looked at that like 10 years ago when I had the conditioning but walked away being natty cause I knew I'd never have the size and fullness lol

 

[MrKleen73]

two shows in Texas helps!!
I have a buddy getting ready for the Emerald Classic out here. I looked at that like 10 years ago when I had the conditioning but walked away being natty cause I knew I'd never have the size and fullness lol

Back then you would have been good for fitness but now fitness is where people go when they outgrow Classic bodybuilding but need some more work before going into the open BB. Some of those guys are monsters.

 

[Dustin07]

Back then you would have been good for fitness but now fitness is where people go when they outgrow Classic bodybuilding but need some more work before going into the open BB. Some of those guys are monsters.

yeah I had talked to a couple coaches back then and they liked my conditioning but they said for that show in particular as a natty lifter I didn't stand a chance even in physique class, so I hung it up and trained with my geared buddy while he got on stage. It worked well for us both, I stayed lean and got a bit stronger. His strength gains pushed me and my conditioning pushed him. He did a great job at his first show and finally this spring is getting ready to make another run at it. honestly I don't think he even did much outside of SARMS, but he was a few years younger than me and naturally kept some much better mass in his arms. with his nutritional discipline and hard work ethic in the gym, he has built a great frame.

 

[akboom87]

Sounds like a good plan and you got time! Makes it nice to the wife is on board and supportive of your goals, awesome deal.

 

[Segansational]

Well looking at them he is giving me 3 months in between so I would get a small recover, and rebuild window there. So, I don't think too taxing on me, taxing yes for sure but I think it is doable for sure.

Monetarily, I am willing to do up to 2 shows to try to qualify for nationals. Got a little money going off to the side for that purpose now. Preferably I can qualify at the first show and if things go really well there I may not do the 2nd show and hold off for nationals so I am not doing 2 peak weeks in a row. I believe nationals are the following week after the Dec 5th show. However, if I still need stage polishing then we will do it anyway.

This was my thought too. I won't lie and say the move to open doesn't make me want to get even bigger, but how much extra could I really grow in that time with how much I have already grown this year. I think you are likely correct that there would not be much of a noticeable difference. However the stage experience could do wonders for what I present at Nationals if I qualify. Jo is on board, and thinks it makes sense for me to do 2 attempts to qualify for nationals, and her support is enough for me.

So as of right now it is looking like this will be the show I will be doing first. Johnnie Jackson Classic 8/24/24 so 7 months and 3 weeks from now. Having a date in mind makes it even a little more real. Kind of curious how we will run the cycling. If there will be a cruise in the middle or will we go straight from mass gaining right into the prep cycle. I told him I am all in this year to make a serious run at it so I am curious how we will approach that. Going to ask him this week if he can give me a list of what compounds he thinks we will be using for the remainder of the year so I can put in an order to make sure I have everything ready. Plus my test is going fast, and I am going to need to re-up sooner than later, since I wasn't expecting to be pushing test this high as early as it got there. At 3.5ml's per week those 5ml bottles are going fast! I do still have 4 of them, and then 3 300/ml 10ml bottles of Test e but they will go quickly. So just want to get my ducks in a row.

Awesome man, I'm stoked for you! And who knows, a show down around Dallas I might even be able to swing a trip there to root for ya!

 

[gphagan1]

Your plan makes a lot of sense, as far as if you win the first show either not doing the second or use it as a tuneup, and if you don’t win the first you have the second to fall back on to qualify. The biggest thing is your wife is all on board. With seven months to go you should really be in great condition at the rate you are going. It will be interesting to see how a top level coach approaches your gear and training. I’m sure he will probably have a short cruise in between two blasts, and that would give your body a chance to get primed again for the second blast going into the August show. I know having the actual shows in front of you now really has you pumped.

 

[MrKleen73]

Sounds like a good plan and you got time! Makes it nice to the wife is on board and supportive of your goals, awesome deal.

Definitely, I was completely open with her about what this was going to take and how big of a sacrifice it will be. I told her if she wasn't onboard with it then I simply would not do it. She is excited for me and really wants to see this competition go well. She remembers how frustrated I was when everything went awry for my first show. It was rough, on top of the bad peak week shrinking me and leaving me flat, I had massive home issues and was having to replace my flat roof by myself with the help of 2 13 year olds. So there was nothing but chaos the last several weeks leading up to the competition. It was just a really rough time.

Awesome man, I'm stoked for you! And who knows, a show down around Dallas I might even be able to swing a trip there to root for ya!

Man, that would be awesome!

Your plan makes a lot of sense, as far as if you win the first show either not doing the second or use it as a tuneup, and if you don’t win the first you have the second to fall back on to qualify. The biggest thing is your wife is all on board. With seven months to go you should really be in great condition at the rate you are going. It will be interesting to see how a top level coach approaches your gear and training. I’m sure he will probably have a short cruise in between two blasts, and that would give your body a chance to get primed again for the second blast going into the August show. I know having the actual shows in front of you now really has you pumped.

Oh yeah, it definitely adds to things. Last night I was just exhausted and things ended up to where I had to go to the gym to finish hamstrings and cardio when I got home. It took everything in me to get my ass back out the door and on the way to the gym not taking anything for energy because I didn't want to wreck my sleep. Knowing things were now even closer than before was a huge motivating factor in getting me moving. I opted to finish this week out with evening workouts. I don't want to burn the candle at both ends here by not getting to sleep until 11 and getting up at 3:30 to lift again. So, I slept in this morning which will make getting all meals in a little harder but I think it was the better option than exhausting myself and possibly having unproductive or less productive training the rest of the week.

I asked him to send me a list of compounds I would likely need for prep. Looks like the compounds in play will be
Sustanon, primo, mast p, winstrol, tren ace, halotestin, Adex, caber, nolva, and clenbuterol, then for orals, anadrol for early end of prep, and either anadrol or superdrol for peak week. I have plenty of SD so that won't be an issue.

I am curious why on the sustanon, I have heard over and over that it is not ideal for bodybuilding. Also, I have never even considered halo, I think I remembered seeing it was a big time aggression kind of thing. Going to have to look into it more now.

Legs - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2024 at 4:41am

Arsenal Belt Squat
Set 1: 180 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe [Failure] - +20lbs
Set 2: 160 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe [Failure]

Leg Press (Machine)
Set 1: 505 lbs x 12 @ 8 rpe - +10lbs
Set 2: 515 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe - +10lbs
Set 3: 525 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe - +10lbs

Walking Lunge (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 40 lbs x 8 @ 8.5 RPE
Set 2: 40 lbs x 8 @ 9.5 RPE

Romanian Deadlift
Set 1: 225 lbs x 10 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 225 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 225 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe - Finally got to use some real weight here, not crazy weight but enough to actually feel my upper back doing more work. Still had a very minor sensitivity towards the end of the sets as I fatigued but no pain, just a hey, be careful kind of feeling.

Lying Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 50 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 60 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 70 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 4: 40 lbs x 20 @ 10 rpe - +5lbs on all sets but the last.

Standing Calf Raise
Set 1: 30 reps
Set 2: 30 reps
Set 3: 30 reps

Elliptical - 35 minutes - level 13-15 - HR 135-150BPM - 10 minutes added to make up for part of missed session.

Oh yeah, by the way, I have some PIP in my right outer quad, the gear definitely crystalized in there and OUCH! It hurt all day yesterday with every step I took, but today it is on top of some quad DOMS, and oh boy is it fun! Hurts like hell to even pick my foot up. I have been massaging it, and hope it resolves quickly.

 

[gphagan1]

As far as the Sustanon, he is probably thinking less pinning because of the long half life, and you will already be pinning quite a bit with the other compounds. And when he has you run Tren A, he will probably have you running Mast P with it, as those two are great together and Mast helps with estrogen. Superdrol would be great to finish with a few weeks before the show, because it will shuttle glycogen into the muscles and help give that full look without adding fat or bloating. As far as the Halo, besides aggression and strength boost, I’m not sure what else it would add. I’m sure Hyde can give you more answers on all of it, especially the Halo.

 

[Hyde]

As far as the Sustanon, he is probably thinking less pinning because of the long half life, and you will already be pinning quite a bit with the other compounds. And when he has you run Tren A, he will probably have you running Mast P with it, as those two are great together and Mast helps with estrogen. Superdrol would be great to finish with a few weeks before the show, because it will shuttle glycogen into the muscles and help give that full look without adding fat or bloating. As far as the Halo, besides aggression and strength boost, I’m not sure what else it would add. I’m sure Hyde can give you more answers on all of it, especially the Halo.

Halotestin is used by bodybuilders at the very end of prep to help keep strength in the gym up & your general drive going when you’re otherwise exhausted from being depleted. It definitely raises aggression, which that & the instant neurological supercharging is why powerlifters often use it at end of prep/during comp, pre-lift. Bodybuilders actually need to be more careful in the gym using it at end of prep - this and Tren Ace are largely how you hear of guys doing stupid things like repping 585 on squats 2 weeks out for lifetime PRs when they’re most vulnerable to injury.

The big advantage for bodybuilding, the #1 reason it’s really used, is because for an athlete who is absolutely peeled, Halo can condition the muscles with an extremely hard/dense/grainy look temporarily. Tren makes you dry & full, SD makes you stupid full, but Halo adds a level of cosmetic density beyond what just Mast, Winny, and Proviron can do.

 

[Hyde]

You need to test your Sustanon, Primo, and Halo btw. All of those get faked often. Sust is actually more complicated to brew so it’s easier to just put prop or enth in there, and the latter 2 are just expensive compounds.

Mast P sometimes gets faked with Test P I’ve seen, so test that too. If all those are good, trust your Anadrol & Tren.

 

[MrKleen73]

As far as the Sustanon, he is probably thinking less pinning because of the long half life, and you will already be pinning quite a bit with the other compounds. And when he has you run Tren A, he will probably have you running Mast P with it, as those two are great together and Mast helps with estrogen. Superdrol would be great to finish with a few weeks before the show, because it will shuttle glycogen into the muscles and help give that full look without adding fat or bloating. As far as the Halo, besides aggression and strength boost, I’m not sure what else it would add. I’m sure Hyde can give you more answers on all of it, especially the Halo.

That would make sense on the Sustanon. Everything else makes sense to me for sure.

Halotestin is used by bodybuilders at the very end of prep to help keep strength in the gym up & your general drive going when you’re otherwise exhausted from being depleted. It definitely raises aggression, which that & the instant neurological supercharging is why powerlifters often use it at end of prep/during comp, pre-lift. Bodybuilders actually need to be more careful in the gym using it at end of prep - this and Tren Ace are largely how you hear of guys doing stupid things like repping 585 on squats 2 weeks out for lifetime PRs when they’re most vulnerable to injury.

The big advantage for bodybuilding, the #1 reason it’s really used, is because for an athlete who is absolutely peeled, Halo can condition the muscles with an extremely hard/dense/grainy look temporarily. Tren makes you dry & full, SD makes you stupid full, but Halo adds a level of cosmetic density beyond what just Mast, Winny, and Proviron can do.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense regarding the halo. I will just have to watch aggression between that and the Tren Ace.

You need to test your Sustanon, Primo, and Halo btw. All of those get faked often. Sust is actually more complicated to brew so it’s easier to just put prop or enth in there, and the latter 2 are just expensive compounds.

Mast P sometimes gets faked with Test P I’ve seen, so test that too. If all those are good, trust your Anadrol & Tren.

Yeah, I will have to get some tests. Can you recommend somewhere to get the tests? Is it one test that changes color depending on what compound is in it, or is it that they look for the specific compound for each test kit?