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How u going to run it
The dissapearing man
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Mikereyn513
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Start with 10iu in the morning and go from there maybe up it to 15 then 20.
Smont
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I jave a power rack, adjustable bench, 500lbs in plates, pull up bar, 2 cable systems that are rated for moderate weights 250lbs max amd some random dumbells. A total gym from the 90's, a windsprint bike, eliptical and treadmill
But many days im training down there i pull the plug early.
Even at a pf ppl are watching so i work harder. Sad but true. I perform my best under pressure when it comes to lifting or wrestling/boxing. Whem trainimg completely solo i get lazy
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Update. 207, i thought i was getting a bit too fat but the bloat from my 6k cheat with 800 carbs setteled 
and its fine.
Im thinking i can at least get to 220 with my abs in tact somewhatInvalid Link Removed
Only 1 side is being flexed, i was trying to only flex my 1 side trap and delt but my mind muscle connection aint that Sophisticated yet lol
and its fine.Im thinking i can at least get to 220 with my abs in tact somewhatInvalid Link Removed
Only 1 side is being flexed, i was trying to only flex my 1 side trap and delt but my mind muscle connection aint that Sophisticated yet lol
Segansational
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Looking solid. No bloat apparent from the pics here!
Smont
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Was very bloated and 214 yesterday lol, lost like 7lbs of bloat overnight!
gphagan1
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Yeah, you can definitely see you flexed the left side….looking solid, delts are starting to look like cannon balls.Update. 207, i thought i was getting a bit too fat but the bloat from my 6k cheat with 800 carbs setteled
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Only 1 side is being flexed, i was trying to only flex my 1 side trap and delt but my mind muscle connection aint that Sophisticated yet lol
Smont
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Thanks for the feedback guys, im cheating a bit more then planned so when i go overboard and drink a half gallon of milk with multiple pbjs after my 800gm carb high day lol, i look a bit sloppy the next day but it melted right back off.
I think this is the most gear ive used in my 30's and im starting to look like i use to and im kinda eating like i use too. Very regimented but 2 or 3 big extra meals every week. Honestly, its making me wanna take more and eat more
Hyde
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No, don’t just take more - that is the fallacy, if some is good more must be better.
Take more when this stops doing what you need it to.
Every time you raise the mg, you draw the blast closer to an end/increase odds of negatives that begin to work against your goals. You know the general idea: weight stalls, add some food. Composition worsens, up the drugs. Sides are too high/body is fighting back, cut losses and drop to cruise phase.
Smont
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Ooooo
So you know i should.
No no i'm maxed out on dosage till i stall out and then im gonna do a very short cruise on test only and see what sticks. As always i'm gonna auto regulate and play it by ear but for now thats the plan. If my knees and my lower back weren't so jacked up id throw a oral in at the end but im already getting crippling back pumps here and there. Im stretching and hyperextinding and crunching in between sets today to keep myself able to finish the workout. Rep range is like 8-30 so anything around the low back or glutes pumps the low back up brutal
So take more? Lol, You're not telling me anything I don't already know. But, but, someone said take more i think.....
So you know i should.
No no i'm maxed out on dosage till i stall out and then im gonna do a very short cruise on test only and see what sticks. As always i'm gonna auto regulate and play it by ear but for now thats the plan. If my knees and my lower back weren't so jacked up id throw a oral in at the end but im already getting crippling back pumps here and there. Im stretching and hyperextinding and crunching in between sets today to keep myself able to finish the workout. Rep range is like 8-30 so anything around the low back or glutes pumps the low back up brutal
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Heres a horrible cycle someome just asked me what i think of lol. No its not a member here, if it was i wouldnt share.
But dude has ran 1 cycle and guess what it was...... 500 test and 50mg dbol kickstart. He srarted at 155 and finished at 180 and kinda fat. But all he sees is 25lbs
So for his seccond cycle he thinks he shoul run the same but higher, 1000 test, 50 dbol a day, but add 500 tren and 50 anadrol a day.
Cycle #2 (100% positive hes gonna start it yesterday too)
1000 test/week
500 tren/week
350 dbol/week
350 anadrol/week.
2200mg seccond cycle on 180lb skinnyfat guy. Unfortunately this cycle is gonna transform him even with his lack of food and training and his future is sealed un 2+ grams with tren and orals on every cycle.
Update- 205-210 im going back and forth so i gotta add some food again but with the holidays im sure i will cheat so im not adding a meal or cals till after the newyear. I need to up my water and add some cardio too (so definately need more food, probably up to 4k average, but not yet) beating the log book consistantly, did legs 2x this week already with a ham focus and quad focus day. My left knee looks normal again and right is only swollen a little. Idk if i said it but i need miniscus tears repaired so as long as im not putting them under stress in the vournable spots i should be ok for now. Cant do surgery till february. Training is great other then the sketchy knees and lower back pumps
Havnt taken any new photos since last time but im looking about the same. But pretty much daily the past few weeks ive had ppl complement me or ask if im on steroids so either way i must by changing fast.
Guess i got nothing else, im kinda in a blur lately with work/gym/kids and christmas. Im also dealing with these minor injuries that are screwing up some of my workload per day and im going through it with my girl, i think i had enough and its time for her to make some dramatic changes or move out. She wakes up in a bad mood 7 days a week, constantly complains that shes over worked and under appreciated and she works at home on the computer and has a 12 hour window to clock in and do her 8 hr shift. Shes ocd with cleaning sometimes so sh does do a lot around the house but its normal contributions. Shes just super bipolar and i think 20 years is my limit.
In the midst of all that i think thats why training is good, i keep using the gym as a excuse not to be around her so im putting more work in at the gym
But dude has ran 1 cycle and guess what it was...... 500 test and 50mg dbol kickstart. He srarted at 155 and finished at 180 and kinda fat. But all he sees is 25lbs
So for his seccond cycle he thinks he shoul run the same but higher, 1000 test, 50 dbol a day, but add 500 tren and 50 anadrol a day.
Cycle #2 (100% positive hes gonna start it yesterday too)
1000 test/week
500 tren/week
350 dbol/week
350 anadrol/week.
2200mg seccond cycle on 180lb skinnyfat guy. Unfortunately this cycle is gonna transform him even with his lack of food and training and his future is sealed un 2+ grams with tren and orals on every cycle.
Update- 205-210 im going back and forth so i gotta add some food again but with the holidays im sure i will cheat so im not adding a meal or cals till after the newyear. I need to up my water and add some cardio too (so definately need more food, probably up to 4k average, but not yet) beating the log book consistantly, did legs 2x this week already with a ham focus and quad focus day. My left knee looks normal again and right is only swollen a little. Idk if i said it but i need miniscus tears repaired so as long as im not putting them under stress in the vournable spots i should be ok for now. Cant do surgery till february. Training is great other then the sketchy knees and lower back pumps
Havnt taken any new photos since last time but im looking about the same. But pretty much daily the past few weeks ive had ppl complement me or ask if im on steroids so either way i must by changing fast.
Guess i got nothing else, im kinda in a blur lately with work/gym/kids and christmas. Im also dealing with these minor injuries that are screwing up some of my workload per day and im going through it with my girl, i think i had enough and its time for her to make some dramatic changes or move out. She wakes up in a bad mood 7 days a week, constantly complains that shes over worked and under appreciated and she works at home on the computer and has a 12 hour window to clock in and do her 8 hr shift. Shes ocd with cleaning sometimes so sh does do a lot around the house but its normal contributions. Shes just super bipolar and i think 20 years is my limit.
In the midst of all that i think thats why training is good, i keep using the gym as a excuse not to be around her so im putting more work in at the gym
Smont
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I think i "could" run that cycle and be fine emotionally, at least reasonably, but thats because i dont really "feel" gear.
This dude is absolutely going to have issues with that tho. I told him if your dead set on a big blast then do 500 test and 150 tren and save 50mg anadrol for the last 4 weeks.
This way he already knows what 500 test does, now he can see what 150 tren does and at the end can play around. I actually told him hes kinda on his own here. I get that im not huge, but im like dude, i got 30lbs weight on you at a Significantly lower level of body fat. I probably have 50 total lbs of mass more then you. Why do you think yiu need double my current dose or 4x my previous cycles doses. I cant help you much
MrKleen73
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Maybe send hims some of the safer use videos or something so he can get an idea of how to plan a cycle better. Other than that he is just going to have to learn the hard way.
Coach just bumped me up to 3900 and some change, this will be the first time I have eaten this many calories for any consistent time frame. Man it is a lot of food eating clean but I will make it happen!
Hyde
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I had bloods this morning, so immediately after I popped a single Anadrol 50 just for today, my heavy bench day. I thought I was a big shot for bringing my weekly total over a gram with that single tab. I’ve been using steroids for 12 years and I’m growing strong right now on 500 primo, 180 test, 140 Tren, 175 Trest.
Everyone wants to believe the drugs are the sole answer. Nobody wants to hear you need to force food when you aren’t hungry, endure being ravenous, or train so hard sometimes your body is shaking.
He’s screwed.
Everyone wants to believe the drugs are the sole answer. Nobody wants to hear you need to force food when you aren’t hungry, endure being ravenous, or train so hard sometimes your body is shaking.
He’s screwed.
Smont
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You ever talk to someone and know that every word is wasted.... thats this guy. Safe use means nothing to him.
3900 clean is a lot of food for sure if your still on a low fat macro set up!
MrKleen73
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Luckily he added some fats, I am up 32.7g to 90g of fats by adding in some almond butter, and another 30g of avocado a day. So that is a good thing but still not TONS of fat. So what about 310 calories of the additional 760 calories are from fat.
Hyde
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Also, in regards to your old lady, I think you need to consider what is worth putting up with for you, and what really needs changed.
My wife historically has never been a morning person. She is just a crabass most of the time when she wakes until she gets training or working. We used to get into fights all the time going to training, to the point that even though we trained together before my son (which generally was fun and went well) we drove separately to the same gym at basically the same time. Now, I always train until right up to when I need to be home to work, to make sure I am not home when she is rushing around trying to get out the door with my son.
I mention this because it’s something I’ve always known about her, it’s just how she is, and it’s something I accepted long ago as one of her personality flaws. I know she can often be a dragon, so I try to work around that because she is worth it to me overall.
But if there is new behavior, that you need to address, you are responsible for outlining some kind of actionable plan for her that will get her right in your eyes - you can’t bitch & not offer a solution. “This is what you are doing, and this is what I need you to do.” And have a good reason, and come at it from the perspective of wanting to work together so you both can be happier and closer.
Also, there was period for several months fairly recently where my wife had to shoulder a ton of workload for her job while someone was out injured. It really negatively impacted her, and she was always more stressed, feeling underappreciated by work, and it did hurt our family life. I had to do a lot more parenting solo. Lots of overtime, more responsibility, harder days in general. I knew I just had to tough it out with her, because it wasn’t something she had a choice in to keep her job. We got through it and she is much happier now that the work situation was relieved. Things are back to normal. If you want to stay with your woman, understand there may be times you have to be a rock for her in the storm. And it’s not glamorous, heroic or something you’ll be thanked for at the time - it’s you taking lumps and enduring the shitshow that you are only signed up for by virtue of your relationship.
Just some bro chat for another perspective.
My wife historically has never been a morning person. She is just a crabass most of the time when she wakes until she gets training or working. We used to get into fights all the time going to training, to the point that even though we trained together before my son (which generally was fun and went well) we drove separately to the same gym at basically the same time. Now, I always train until right up to when I need to be home to work, to make sure I am not home when she is rushing around trying to get out the door with my son.
I mention this because it’s something I’ve always known about her, it’s just how she is, and it’s something I accepted long ago as one of her personality flaws. I know she can often be a dragon, so I try to work around that because she is worth it to me overall.
But if there is new behavior, that you need to address, you are responsible for outlining some kind of actionable plan for her that will get her right in your eyes - you can’t bitch & not offer a solution. “This is what you are doing, and this is what I need you to do.” And have a good reason, and come at it from the perspective of wanting to work together so you both can be happier and closer.
Also, there was period for several months fairly recently where my wife had to shoulder a ton of workload for her job while someone was out injured. It really negatively impacted her, and she was always more stressed, feeling underappreciated by work, and it did hurt our family life. I had to do a lot more parenting solo. Lots of overtime, more responsibility, harder days in general. I knew I just had to tough it out with her, because it wasn’t something she had a choice in to keep her job. We got through it and she is much happier now that the work situation was relieved. Things are back to normal. If you want to stay with your woman, understand there may be times you have to be a rock for her in the storm. And it’s not glamorous, heroic or something you’ll be thanked for at the time - it’s you taking lumps and enduring the shitshow that you are only signed up for by virtue of your relationship.
Just some bro chat for another perspective.
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Im at the point Where I don't even care about her feelings anymore, I prefer she leaves. I'm not willing to put 1 oz of effort into her again untill ive seen months of her trying which will never happen. In the past five years she's done ZERO for our relationship or improve herself as a person.
I'm 100% not in love with her anymore. I love her, like i love all my family members. But i'm not in love with her at all anymore
Smont
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To further that. If she cheated on me tomorrow, ( Which is literally zero percent chance of happening i'm just talking theoretically here) I'd smile and be happy because it would be the reason i need to throw her out for real.
Smont
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Sorry I read your post in bits and pieces, None of this out of the is blue. It's all been going on for over twenty years. She's been an absolute looney tone from the day I met her and i've done a really good job at tolerating her for a long time. But there is literally 0 on my part that I am willing to change. It's all her and I almost don't want her to change. I just want her to go. This isn't a lets fix our relationship type of thing, the relationship has been over for years.... shes ben toxic for at least 18 of the 20 years ive known her
Smont
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@Hyde I know your trying to help, sorry if i sound like a sour s-mont today. I think getting rid of her is gonna make my life significantly better. But only if once we split up, she can act like a normal person and not be a loony tune then too. Because even when we're not together, She has a way of keeping herself involved in my life. Now the kids are 15-17, my daughter goes to college next year, my son has 2 more years then college and i gpt a 10year plan that I'm capable of doing by myself and the way she is. I have a feeling even if we stay together. I'll still be financially doing that 10 year plan by myself and just be suffering mentally the whole time.
Hyde
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We aren’t there like your local friends & family are - if THEY all feel that way, that is a strong indicator you’re not off the mark with your assessment.
But you need to really grok the fact that if it’s going to end, you will have to be the one with the courage and drive to break it off. She sounds very comfortable in her toxic place, and you generally have to throw them out kicking & screaming when they are like that. She will not play fair and may use every tool at her disposal to try to keep you.
I would definitely say that if he feels that way, this is the truth. He is going to be as bad for her as she is for him if nobody is interested in doing the work. And I’m not saying that negatively - work for the sake of it is just pounding sand, a fat waste of time for everyone. There has to be more positive that offsets negatives from a relationship, or it’s a net loss.
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This last part above describes her. Comfortable in her toxic plsce and will use everything against me while im trying to end it. Shes one of those ppl that will keep trying to shift the goalpost in every conversation too. Just keep changing the story just enough for her to never feel like shes wrong.
Smont
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Oooooo, i did have some interesting stuff to share i forgot about.
Ive been about 90% consistant with 2-3sprays of nad + and 40mg telmasartan daily use. You would think with all the stuff going on in my life and around my house I'd be easier to snap, but i've been very good at home about keeping my cool and not letting things get to me. Now it is something that I'm being very mindful of because I know that I'm on cycle. And I'm using more than I normally would. So just in case, I wanted to be extra mindful of my personality. I really feel like either nad+ or telmasartan are a mild anti depressant or mild anti anxiety. So of course I did some research and there is some evidence on those things. Has anyone else experience that would either of these?
Ive been about 90% consistant with 2-3sprays of nad + and 40mg telmasartan daily use. You would think with all the stuff going on in my life and around my house I'd be easier to snap, but i've been very good at home about keeping my cool and not letting things get to me. Now it is something that I'm being very mindful of because I know that I'm on cycle. And I'm using more than I normally would. So just in case, I wanted to be extra mindful of my personality. I really feel like either nad+ or telmasartan are a mild anti depressant or mild anti anxiety. So of course I did some research and there is some evidence on those things. Has anyone else experience that would either of these?
Hyde
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Started 80mg telmisartan 14 days ago, day before this blast. Definitely been feeling good about keeping cool overall, talked about it in my log.
Could be primo, could be Trest, could be mindfulness - but the Telly is in there at same time so I can’t rule it out certainly.
Smont
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Good to here, you got some potent Variables in there and this is definately usefull feeback. I asked a few ppl about this last night and it was 50/50. Im definately taking notes
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HMMM... maybe there is something to that. Looking back I do feel like I got a little more control of my edginess correlating around the time that I increased my Telmisartan from 40-80mg a day. I am not sure if it truly had anything to do with it, but looking back after you mention this it correlates. However could have just been a coincidence but I had been on the 600 for a few weeks by that time so I feel like I was already used to that dose.
Smont
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Arm day!
This is the first time in a while i have a actual arm day in my program.
Im thinking i just do 1 heavy ish move for bi's and tri like superset hammer curls and cgb for 5x5 and then just high rep pump supersets. All my other workouts are pretty locked in but my arms are not a weak point and seem to always grow Proportionally so I don't think I need to put too much effort into plqnning this one.
This is the first time in a while i have a actual arm day in my program.
Im thinking i just do 1 heavy ish move for bi's and tri like superset hammer curls and cgb for 5x5 and then just high rep pump supersets. All my other workouts are pretty locked in but my arms are not a weak point and seem to always grow Proportionally so I don't think I need to put too much effort into plqnning this one.
MrKleen73
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Right, just make arm day a fun day and hit whatever angles you feel like hitting. Will make it a much more enjoyable session.Arm day!
This is the first time in a while i have a actual arm day in my program.
Im thinking i just do 1 heavy ish move for bi's and tri like superset hammer curls and cgb for 5x5 and then just high rep pump supersets. All my other workouts are pretty locked in but my arms are not a weak point and seem to always grow Proportionally so I don't think I need to put too much effort into plqnning this one.
gphagan1
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I’ve noticed that from Telmisartan as well, but never really thought a lot about it. I guess I assumed it had that effect on stress through helping blood pressure, but now it does make me believe it has a positive effect on its own besides the blood pressure benefits.
And as far as your girl goes, it sounds like you already figured out that she isn’t willing to change to help the relationship, and you seem to have confirmation from friends and family that are probably around you both to witness what you have gone through. It takes two to make a relationship work, and if one side is not willing to change or work on themselves, then they’ve made the choice for you. I have an ex-wife from my first marriage, divorced in 1993, and she still hasn’t changed. From what it sounds like moving on is the logical and eventually less stressful choice for you. I do hope it goes smoothly for you, and she doesn’t pull stunts like my Ex did.
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I was excited for arms but honestly, after my seccond superset it was boring as **** lol. Good pump tho.
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I thought i had a good pumped up pic but I put the blur feature on the background (planet fitness lol) and it fucked up the whole picture. It looks like it blurred my skin
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Got a good pic of a nasty bicep vein tho
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and i accidently snapped a pic while i was typing my sets in
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Figured my shoulders look big enough that it dont matter im sitting in fron of some 7lb lady weights at a pf lol!
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I thought i had a good pumped up pic but I put the blur feature on the background (planet fitness lol) and it fucked up the whole picture. It looks like it blurred my skin
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Got a good pic of a nasty bicep vein tho
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and i accidently snapped a pic while i was typing my sets in
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Figured my shoulders look big enough that it dont matter im sitting in fron of some 7lb lady weights at a pf lol!
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Ya, im doing back like 5x week lol. Not intentionally and it's not really five times a week but I'll explain.
One day I do hamstrings and all my rowing exercises. Another day I do quads and all my vertical pull downs and pull overs. Then any time im in the boxing gym I'm either doing 5 sets of weighted Pull ups or 5 sets of body weight pull ups as part of my warm ups.
Only the last set of each exercise is to failure or close to failure. I've been using rest pause style sets to squeeze out extra reps. Lots of slow controlled negatives too
One day I do hamstrings and all my rowing exercises. Another day I do quads and all my vertical pull downs and pull overs. Then any time im in the boxing gym I'm either doing 5 sets of weighted Pull ups or 5 sets of body weight pull ups as part of my warm ups.
Only the last set of each exercise is to failure or close to failure. I've been using rest pause style sets to squeeze out extra reps. Lots of slow controlled negatives too
MrKleen73
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Yep that and that androgen load you have going on will do it for sure!!! It's like an unplanned back specialization program.
MrKleen73
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I don't really like that term because really there is no junk volume. Maybe less optimal volume, but it all adds up. If it follows extremely hard work and just digs a bigger hole that's a negative but otherwise it is just adding to overall training volume.
Smont
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Il tell you something weird tho. I thought my strength would shoot up on this much and it hasnt at all, it almost feels Like everything is heavier all the time. Id like to think that just means its because im really focusing on my reps. Slow controlled negetive, good stretch and explode up but dont lock out. Lots of mental q's and it definately slows everytjing down and makes it harder. I havnt regularly been taking the epistane, i keep forgetting too. I think i'm just gonna start taking ten milligrams with every meal until the bottle runs out so i stop forgetting lol. J/k
Smont
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I mostly look at things like total volume per week so i definately agree with you
gphagan1
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That was a good arm workout, and looks like you got a good pump.
MrKleen73
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I would be willing to bet that is exactly what it is. Also 50-60mg of epi would be insane... I can't imagine the back, shin, and calf pumps though!
Yeah, I think a lot of people senstationalize things like that to make their programs sound a lot better. Now I do feel like if you aren't pushing hard enough and are just going in doing your sets and leaving that is definitely sub-optimal but that is not junk volume so much as insufficient intensity during your volume.