Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

[Brianmc83]

Thanks Steve. How are we looking on focus xt return?

 

[Johnanthab178]

You mentioned something about restocks, will SNS “Dynamine” ever back in stock? Man I miss using that stuff on my late night workouts

 

[sns8778]

You mentioned something about restocks, will SNS “Dynamine” ever back in stock? Man I miss using that stuff on my late night workouts

Honestly, it didn't sell well at all for us.

Eria Jarensis caps, Alpha Yohimbine caps, and SYN-30 all outsell it bigtime.

And, a lot of people that liked Dynamine for pre-workout purposes buy VasoForce Rush because its a complete pre-workout and has Dynamine and Teacrine both in it.

I'm open to doing another small run if enough people were interested though.

 

[sns8778]

Thanks Steve. How are we looking on focus xt return?

I don't have an exact ETA but I'm hoping sometimes in November for at least some flavors.

Once we start getting it back in, we will have some exciting things coming up related to it.

 

[Johnanthab178]

Honestly, it didn't sell well at all for us.

Eria Jarensis caps, Alpha Yohimbine caps, and SYN-30 all outsell it bigtime.

And, a lot of people that liked Dynamine for pre-workout purposes buy VasoForce Rush because its a complete pre-workout and has Dynamine and Teacrine both in it.

I'm open to doing another small run if enough people were interested though.

Il check those out for sure, thanks!

 

[sns8778]

Il check those out for sure, thanks!

Here's a link to VasoForce Rush. It's a great product and is a great pre-workout and a lot of people, including me, will take a capsule or two for energy a lot of days as needed.

VasoForce Rush - 100 Capsules | Serious Nutrition Solutions

Fast Acting, Long Lasting Energy; Clinical Strength Nitric Oxide Booster; 7 High End Active Ingredients - VASO6, Agmatine, S7, Dynamine, TeaCrine, Caffeine, and more.

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[N2ofusion]

Honestly, it didn't sell well at all for us.

Eria Jarensis caps, Alpha Yohimbine caps, and SYN-30 all outsell it bigtime.

And, a lot of people that liked Dynamine for pre-workout purposes buy VasoForce Rush because its a complete pre-workout and has Dynamine and Teacrine both in it.

I'm open to doing another small run if enough people were interested though.

That’s usually my conclusion on solo Dynamine, also. I feel it’s usually a better value inside another product.

Could also add it to an Energized Aminos as a special flavor? I think the shorter half life is great as a post workout

 

[sns8778]

That’s usually my conclusion on solo Dynamine, also. I feel it’s usually a better value inside another product.

Could also add it to an Energized Aminos as a special flavor? I think the shorter half life is great as a post workout

We use it in Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore from Muscle Addiction.

It wouldn't be a good fit in Energized Aminos because people like that as it is and its meant to be a smooth feel good type energy. Dynamine fits the purpose of a more prompt type energy. Plus, we really can't add anything else to Energized Aminos and meet the price point we need for it to sell at.

 

[sns8778]

For everyone following along, I wanted to go ahead and officially reveal something about the new Growth Factor XT.

Growth Factor XT, which was teased in the Pepti-Plex thread and eligible as a product giveaway to people ordering certain stacks and multi-packs, will be launched within the next 2 weeks.

It is a great formula and the feedback has been very good on it so far.

Something else exciting about it that I wanted to let everyone know is that it will contain a new ingredient from NNB Nutrition and Growth Factor XT will be the product that it will launch in; and I'm very happy to have that opportunity with NNB.

For anyone not familiar with NNB, they are the company that has the patents for MitoBurn, CaloriBurn, GlucoVantage, RhodioPrime, and more. So its super exciting to get the opportunity to launch an ingredient in a product for them and to be the first company/product that will be using it.

 

[N2ofusion]

We use it in Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore from Muscle Addiction.

It wouldn't be a good fit in Energized Aminos because people like that as it is and its meant to be a smooth feel good type energy. Dynamine fits the purpose of a more prompt type energy. Plus, we really can't add anything else to Energized Aminos and meet the price point we need for it to sell at.

Fair points, thank you.

 

[sns8778]

Fair points, thank you.

You're welcome. I'm always appreciated of ideas and always glad to explain the reasoning behind decisions if they aren't ones that we can implement.

 

[SweetLou321]

I am sure this has been asked before but I did not see it in this thread, any chance of offering a Yohimbe extract similar to the SA2-A that was offered by PES in the past?

 

[sns8778]

I am sure this has been asked before but I did not see it in this thread, any chance of offering a Yohimbe extract similar to the SA2-A that was offered by PES in the past?

I think the reason that you never saw that again was that it wasn't an actual branded ingredient, as much as the SA2-A was just their tm version of a form of Yohimbine that no one could agree on what it actually was.

I never really looked into it, but I'll be glad to.

On their label, it was identified as Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A).

The product itself had a proprietary blend of Olive Leaf, Bacopa, Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A), and Higenamine.

At the time, a lot of people felt that it was actually Alpha Yohimbine/Rauwolscine and that it felt a little different from being mixed with Higenamine.

Cooper stated that:
SA2A is a wider spectrum extract. It lasts longer than Rauwolscine and has a stronger stim effect. Rauwolscine has a shorter halflife and a milder stim effect. Both are minimally anxiogenic, but Rauwolscine is preferred if dosing later in the day

We make an Alpha Yohimbine product that a lot of people really like and when we used to make Higenamine before the FDA added that to their advisory list, a lot of people that used 1 cap of our Higenamine and 1 cap of Alpha Yohimbine said that it did feel just like theirs had. That's why I never looked much further into it because that seemed to confirm what a lot of people thought back then - that it was the Higenamine/Alpha Yohimbine combination moreso than it being a different type of Yohimbine.

I'll be glad to do some further checking though. I think I've only ever been asked about it a time or two.

Here's a link to the Alpha Yohimbine product:

Alpha Yohimbine - 90 caps | Serious Nutrition Solutions

SNS Alpha Yohimbine contains Rauwolscine, a potent type of plant alkaloid that has become very popular in many energy and weight loss products because of its potential energy and fat loss benefits. SNS Alpha Yohimbine provides you this all-star ingredient at a great price that allows for...

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[N2ofusion]

I think the reason that you never saw that again was that it wasn't an actual branded ingredient, as much as the SA2-A was just their tm version of a form of Yohimbine that no one could agree on what it actually was.

I never really looked into it, but I'll be glad to.

On their label, it was identified as Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A).

The product itself had a proprietary blend of Olive Leaf, Bacopa, Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A), and Higenamine.

At the time, a lot of people felt that it was actually Alpha Yohimbine/Rauwolscine and that it felt a little different from being mixed with Higenamine.

Cooper stated that:
SA2A is a wider spectrum extract. It lasts longer than Rauwolscine and has a stronger stim effect. Rauwolscine has a shorter halflife and a milder stim effect. Both are minimally anxiogenic, but Rauwolscine is preferred if dosing later in the day

We make an Alpha Yohimbine product that a lot of people really like and when we used to make Higenamine before the FDA added that to their advisory list, a lot of people that used 1 cap of our Higenamine and 1 cap of Alpha Yohimbine said that it did feel just like theirs had. That's why I never looked much further into it because that seemed to confirm what a lot of people thought back then - that it was the Higenamine/Alpha Yohimbine combination moreso than it being a different type of Yohimbine.

I'll be glad to do some further checking though. I think I've only ever been asked about it a time or two.

Here's a link to the Alpha Yohimbine product:

Alpha Yohimbine - 90 caps | Serious Nutrition Solutions

SNS Alpha Yohimbine contains Rauwolscine, a potent type of plant alkaloid that has become very popular in many energy and weight loss products because of its potential energy and fat loss benefits. SNS Alpha Yohimbine provides you this all-star ingredient at a great price that allows for...

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Yeah, I still remember it fondly. Just enough for solid stimulation but somehow not much anxiety.

Steve, ever considered a powder version of Thermagize XT? You always have a few tricks up your sleeve, I think one or two more “feel good” ingredients could get it right there.

 

[sns8778]

Yeah, I still remember it fondly. Just enough for solid stimulation but somehow not much anxiety.

Steve, ever considered a powder version of Thermagize XT? You always have a few tricks up your sleeve, I think one or two more “feel good” ingredients could get it right there.

I have thought about it, but the truth is that powdered products like that don't traditionally sell well at all for brands.

So its kind of one of those things I want to do, but have to keep myself in check and make sure its s smart business decision type of things.

Thermagize XT doesn't get a lot of talk on here, mainly because V1 was so strong some couldn't handle it, but the current version is extremely popular for us overall and the people that try it love it. I am thinking about changing a couple things about it though but haven't decided 100% yet.

 

[SweetLou321]

I think the reason that you never saw that again was that it wasn't an actual branded ingredient, as much as the SA2-A was just their tm version of a form of Yohimbine that no one could agree on what it actually was.

I never really looked into it, but I'll be glad to.

On their label, it was identified as Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A).

The product itself had a proprietary blend of Olive Leaf, Bacopa, Pausinystalia Yohimbe (Bark) Extract (SA2-A), and Higenamine.

At the time, a lot of people felt that it was actually Alpha Yohimbine/Rauwolscine and that it felt a little different from being mixed with Higenamine.

Cooper stated that:
SA2A is a wider spectrum extract. It lasts longer than Rauwolscine and has a stronger stim effect. Rauwolscine has a shorter halflife and a milder stim effect. Both are minimally anxiogenic, but Rauwolscine is preferred if dosing later in the day

We make an Alpha Yohimbine product that a lot of people really like and when we used to make Higenamine before the FDA added that to their advisory list, a lot of people that used 1 cap of our Higenamine and 1 cap of Alpha Yohimbine said that it did feel just like theirs had. That's why I never looked much further into it because that seemed to confirm what a lot of people thought back then - that it was the Higenamine/Alpha Yohimbine combination moreso than it being a different type of Yohimbine.

I'll be glad to do some further checking though. I think I've only ever been asked about it a time or two.

Here's a link to the Alpha Yohimbine product:

Alpha Yohimbine - 90 caps | Serious Nutrition Solutions

SNS Alpha Yohimbine contains Rauwolscine, a potent type of plant alkaloid that has become very popular in many energy and weight loss products because of its potential energy and fat loss benefits. SNS Alpha Yohimbine provides you this all-star ingredient at a great price that allows for...

seriousnutritionsolutions.com

Thanks for the detailed reply. I will try your product in the meantime. I usually do not do well with yohimbe based products, but really loved theirs and felt great on it. So I am happy to try your lower dosed alpha-yohimbine in this case.

 

[sns8778]

Thanks for the detailed reply. I will try your product in the meantime. I usually do not do well with yohimbe based products, but really loved theirs and felt great on it. So I am happy to try your lower dosed alpha-yohimbine in this case.

Let me know how you like it if you try it.

I can't take Yohimbine HCI myself but I like Alpha Yohimbine.

 

[N2ofusion]

I have thought about it, but the truth is that powdered products like that don't traditionally sell well at all for brands.

So its kind of one of those things I want to do, but have to keep myself in check and make sure its s smart business decision type of things.

Thermagize XT doesn't get a lot of talk on here, mainly because V1 was so strong some couldn't handle it, but the current version is extremely popular for us overall and the people that try it love it. I am thinking about changing a couple things about it though but haven't decided 100% yet.

Interesting to hear after everyone missing Alphamine and Jack3d, but if it was my capital, I’d be diligent too.

What would you change? It’s gotta be close to a full capsule already at those doses. I also wouldn’t mind an ultra hardcore black-label type version.

^^just thinking aloud about what else I’d likely buy if there were suddenly all these options.

 

[Beau]

I am out of the norm ... I would buy everything as a powder.

 

[jgraves31]

I am out of the norm ... I would buy everything as a powder.

I enjoy powders as well.

 

[Darkhorse192]

Have you seen this ingredient called sodium caprate used to enhance the bioavailability of berberine? Legit ? Fraud?

 

[rob112]

I don't have an exact ETA but I'm hoping sometimes in November for at least some flavors.

Once we start getting it back in, we will have some exciting things coming up related to it.

I just went to DPS for this and didn’t even see it on the site. Happy I searched this out. Really curious about the related products as well. You guys always do top notch stuff

 

[sns8778]

Interesting to hear after everyone missing Alphamine and Jack3d, but if it was my capital, I’d be diligent too.

What would you change? It’s gotta be close to a full capsule already at those doses. I also wouldn’t mind an ultra hardcore black-label type version.

^^just thinking aloud about what else I’d likely buy if there were suddenly all these options.

It's funny that you asked for an ultra hardcore version of Thermagize XT because the first version we did of it was too strong for a lot of people and it made a lot of people too scared to try the new version which is still strong, but not as strong as the original.

You are correct in that its maxed out capsule space wise - any changes to it would involve changing out a couple of ingredients for other ones.

I've thought about removing the TeaCrine and Dynamine and replacing it with enXtra and synephrine - synephrine gets overlooked here on AM a lot but SYN-30 is a great seller for us and people love it; and the ingredient has some really good fat burning data on it. I also thought about adding a small dose of KannaEase to it to help make it a smoother feel.

 

[sns8778]

Have you seen this ingredient called sodium caprate used to enhance the bioavailability of berberine? Legit ? Fraud?

It may help increase the bioavailability of regular berberine a little; I honestly haven't looked into it very deeply because GlucoVantage has such better absorption and bioavailability to begin with.

For example, 2 capsules of GlucoVantage XT equals 1,000 mg. per day of regular berberine and with better half life and without the stomach upset that many people experience with regular berberine at high doses.

 

[sns8778]

I just went to DPS for this and didn’t even see it on the site. Happy I searched this out. Really curious about the related products as well. You guys always do top notch stuff

Thank you.

Sometimes DPS hides product pages for products that have been out of stock just so as to not clutter up the brands page.

 

[lionking999]

I miss different colored caps. my supply is slowly turning to all white caps and I have to really pay attention to what I’m doing LOL

 

[timmy8888]

I miss different colored caps. my supply is slowly turning to all white caps and I have to really pay attention to what I’m doing LOL

Agree, had a few mishaps of pills getting mixed when they fell out of a pill organizer.

Not sure it's cost effective, @sns8778 would love to in the future get different colored pills or some sort of indication of what supplement I'm taking. Usually gone all day at work so if I were to carry my vitamins pre biotic supplements food etc... all in individual containers I would have to carry a back pack.

 

[Resolve10]

Agree, had a few mishaps of pills getting mixed when they fell out of a pill organizer.

Not sure it's cost effective, @sns8778 would love to in the future get different colored pills or some sort of indication of what supplement I'm taking. Usually gone all day at work so if I were to carry my vitamins pre biotic supplements food etc... all in individual containers I would have to carry a back pack.

It is a no-win situation because some people don't want the colors and then some do or don't care. I do miss my days of tons of fancy colored pills though (I don't care a ton either way fwiw).

 

[timmy8888]

Agree, had a few mishaps of pills getting mixed when they feel our of a pill organizer.

Not sure it's cost effective, @sns8778 would love to in the future get different colored pills or some sort of indication of what supplement I'm taking. Usually gone all day at work so carrying if i were to carry my vitamins pre biotic supplements food etc... all in individual containers I would have to carry a back pack.

It is a no-win situation because some people don't want the colors and then some do or don't care. I do miss my days of tons of fancy colored pills though (I don't care a ton either way fwiw).

Valid point, never thought about the consumer not wanting colored pills. Easy enough, just have to fumble my pill organizer less.

 

[Jeremyk1]

It is a no-win situation because some people don't want the colors and then some do or don't care. I do miss my days of tons of fancy colored pills though (I don't care a ton either way fwiw).

I’m pretty sure veggie caps don’t even come colored. They’re either clear or white. You need gel caps for colors. So if you want your product vegan friendly, you can’t have color.

 

[Resolve10]

I’m pretty sure veggie caps don’t even come colored. They’re either clear or white. You need gel caps for colors. So if you want your product vegan friendly, you can’t have color.

Ya that is why it is definitely lose lose haha. Someone will always be sad.

 

[sns8778]

I miss different colored caps. my supply is slowly turning to all white caps and I have to really pay attention to what I’m doing LOL

Agree, had a few mishaps of pills getting mixed when they fell out of a pill organizer.

Not sure it's cost effective, @sns8778 would love to in the future get different colored pills or some sort of indication of what supplement I'm taking. Usually gone all day at work so if I were to carry my vitamins pre biotic supplements food etc... all in individual containers I would have to carry a back pack.

As @Resolve10 and @Jeremyk1 mentioned above, its unfortunately a no win situation when it comes to colored capsules.

I much prefer colored capsules myself but more and more people now days try to avoid artificial colors.

Also, a lot of people want vegan friendly capsules and those don't come in colors.

The new thing now is people wanting titanium dioxide free capsules - titanium dioxide is what makes them white; so that leaves companies with with the option of clear capsules or an off white color bc titanium dioxide free 'white' capsules aren't really white, they're more of an off white color.

I understand that some people truly avoid artificial colors - but its irritating when some of the same people drinking flavored beverages that are loaded with artificial colors complain about the small amount in a capsule.

Just like the new titanium dioxide craze - people don't take the time to research for themselves and see that the study that showed that titanium dioxide may be bad for people was based on it being INHALED. And the main thing that most people consume the most titanium dioxide in per day is toothpaste.

Most people would be shocked at the amount of complaints that companies like us get over things like this.

It's like the upcoming protein - there's no pleasing everyone with that either bc artificial flavors and artificial sweeteners (sucralose and ace-k) simply taste the best and 99% of protein consumers want the best tasting product. But there are going to be some people that are going to complain that that's the route that we went - but with the first few flavors especially, its critical that we make them taste the absolute best possible.

 

[sns8778]

Are you running an orchic extract product yet? Do you have thoughts on it other than bro science? I have used three different orchic products, two of which I think "produced" greater "results" than the third one. One that was just way too stupid expensive was pretty good but it was also like 6+ capsules a day which is sorta high when I was already stacking like 20 other caps a day lol

I quoted this from a different thread to carry it over here. @Dustin07

I've never had anyone ask us to do an orchic extract that I remember.

Text me or pm me the brands that you have liked and didn't like and I'll look into it. I'm open to doing something like that if enough people are interested.

As far as the number of capsules, you can figure that on average you can fit about 750 mg. of active in a size 00 capsule; so the total number of capsules for one we did would be determined by the dosage.

 

[Dustin07]

Text me or pm me the brands that you have liked and didn't like and I'll look into it. I'm open to doing something like that if enough people are interested.

PM'd you the 3 I have used with my thoughts/reviews on them-

 

[Brianmc83]

Just checking in on focus xt update? Sorry I know I asked a few times not trying to be a pain I just really miss it

 

[sns8778]

Just checking in on focus xt update? Sorry I know I asked a few times not trying to be a pain I just really miss it

I'm sorry but I don't have any other updates other than that several flavors are in the production process.

I'm doing the best that I can.

When something is in process, we don't necessarily get updates every step of the way; especially with a company like us that may have 40+ PO's in at any one time. For example, I got notified Friday that a new sku was shipping to us and I had no idea it was even close to done, but one of the things I really needed and thought was ahead of it was still probably several weeks away.

It's personally my most anticipated product to get back in stock as well.

For anyone that wants some of the clumped bottles that we have left, they're welcome to contact me.

 

[Dustin07]

For anyone that wants some of the clumped bottles that we have left, they're welcome to contact me.

aside from being a little challenging to scoop out, I found that they dissolved and tasted fantastic!

 

[lionking999]

still patiently waiting for trib aquatis (spelling?)

 

[lionking999]

also in for an orchic. I’d like to try it

 

[sns8778]

also in for an orchic. I’d like to try it

I think honestly for orchic, after looking at different ones available and seeing the huge price discrepancies, we likely will pass on that one. There's such extremes as Swanson's for 6.00 which no one can compete with all the way to Ancestral for around 50 bucks, and everything in between.

I think in general, people either go cheap and buy Swanson or go with the influencers and marketing and by Ancestral's; I'm not sure there is a market in between the two honestly.

 

[sns8778]

still patiently waiting for trib aquatis (spelling?)

The Tribulus Aquaticus product is in process.

In this industry, when a company is GMP and uses GMP contract manufacturing facilities, the average lead time for the first batch of something is at least 12 weeks. Sometimes it may be a little quicker, but not often.

We already had the process started for this while still trying to decide on a name for it.

As it stands right now, the label artwork is done but I'm still waiting to plug a name in bc I'm not 100% sure what name I want to go with on it - but it isn't holding up production time. I'll decide before I'll let it do that.

Naming suggestions have been all over the place - Prime XT, Primadrol, Primaldrol, Prima-Plex, and P-Plex (which was an old CEL name).

 

[Rich Tits]

Maslinic acid / Oleanolic acid to pair with ursolic acid.

 

[BigGame84]

Are we getting a CitraPeak product soon?

 

[sns8778]

Maslinic acid / Oleanolic acid to pair with ursolic acid.

I'm open to suggestions. I would be curious to hear your reasoning for those. I think I know where you're going with the idea, but curious if its what I'm thinking.

 

[sns8778]

Are we getting a CitraPeak product soon?

That's one that I honestly never get asked for.

It's doable because I have a great relationship with Prinova, but just never really considered it because we don't get asked for it.

 

[Dustin07]

@sns8778 can you (at like... iceberg / birds view glance) remind me of the difference in quality ashwagandha in regards to female/male libdo ? I thought you had said that they are not all the same and some are just basically complete bunk.

 

[alvin1]

NMN?

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 can you (at like... iceberg / birds view glance) remind me of the difference in quality ashwagandha in regards to female/male libdo ? I thought you had said that they are not all the same and some are just basically complete bunk.

Cliff notes: Don't buy generic Ashwagandha, stick to branded versions like Shoden, Sensoril, KSM-66. Even the Indian government put out an advisory that some generic forms contains parts of the plant that shouldn't be consumed.

Also, different constituents do different things.

 

[sns8778]

NMN?

The FDA issued a statement that NMN doesn't meet the legal definition of a dietary supplement.

GMP manufacturing facilities will not produce products with this ingredient in them anymore; and companies that continue to offer it run the risk of losing their credit card processors if caught.

 

[LucasBagoDoce]

@sns8778 how’s that tribulus aquaticus project going, Steve?