MrKleen73
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@Mikereyn513 I don't think my peak doses will be as high as your first week doses. 
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gphagan1
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Glad you’re back man…..yeah we were getting a little worried. Hyde destroyed it at his competition, setting PRs in the process. And Kleen started his new prep log, leading up to when he competes next year. There’s already some good stuff in his log. But we were wondering, and was ready to send out search and rescue. I definitely want to see your run with that Test, Mast, EQ cycle.
Hyde
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@Mikereyn513 I don't think my peak doses will be as high as your first week doses.
You say that now, but a year is a long time for your coach to get in your ear
MrKleen73
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Yeah good point! I mean I ain't skeered as long as done correctly with the right compounds. When the competitive mind takes over risk tolerance takes a big jump almost automatically.You say that now, but a year is a long time for your coach to get in your ear
Mikereyn513
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Hell yea bro. That's badass. So for now it'll be 250 test 150 eq M/w/fr...the mast will be the same schedule but it'll be 200/100 / 100 will follow this schedule until the end of November before titrating upI squat 645lbs in knee sleeves at comp. So that was the big thing in my life
How are you going to break your shots up over this week? You’re going to be growing, right? Any food manipulations yet?
Mikereyn513
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No food manipulation just yet. Still getting 300 grams protein in. 6 meals with 8oz meat at each one. I weigh the whatever I'm going to eat after it's cooked, except for breakfast which is a cup of liquid egg whites ( 28 grams protein) and 3 large whole eggs ( 18 grams protein). Gonna monitor these next 2 weeks to get an idea of what my base calories are at now. I still have abs, no love handles, and vascularity still through my quads and hams. So there's room to push it
Mikereyn513
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Also will be ordering lantus this week
Smont
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Half ass update. After a couple shots of gear and not doing any boxing the last 2 weeks I was back up to 200lbs so I'm doing some clean up. 1 day of meat and vegetables had me drop 5 lbs so IL probably spend this week on low carbs and calories during the day and getting the bulk of my carbs post workout. IL get back to 188-190by the end of the week and continue on my way.
Some numbers I did this week (not 1 workout)
Flat bench - 275×3×3 back off 205×AMRAP unfortunately I didn't write the number down but I think 22 reps. Pressing stress is very far down compared to this time last year but I'm hoping to hit 405 next year. Current best 370 comp, 375 gym.
OHP - 135×3×3 backoff 95×17
Weighted chins - bw ×16, +25×6×4
Deadlifts - 325×3×3
Everything is pretty easy still but I don't wanna jump the gun. I'm just gonna follow the progression patterns I layer out.
I've also been doing barbell curls which I haven't done in years. 75×5×5
30 rep sets with side laterals with fairly heavy weight 30's
Heavy incline db Flys 60's for sets of 15
And some machines and cables. I didn't hit legs this week so today I'm gonna do 3 leg exercises, 2 back and 2 bicep exercises and back to my regular routine.
This week.
Monday - jump rope, foot work/mobility stuff, heavy bag work.
Tuesday - flat bench and ohp push day with forearm and grip work after.
Wednesday - same as Monday
Thursday - squats and deadlifts pull day
Friday - rest. If I missed a workout it gets made up on Friday.
Saturday - push day at a planet fitness, massage chair and tanning like a Bougie Bitch.
Sunday - pull day witj some legs mixed in.
Some numbers I did this week (not 1 workout)
Flat bench - 275×3×3 back off 205×AMRAP unfortunately I didn't write the number down but I think 22 reps. Pressing stress is very far down compared to this time last year but I'm hoping to hit 405 next year. Current best 370 comp, 375 gym.
OHP - 135×3×3 backoff 95×17
Weighted chins - bw ×16, +25×6×4
Deadlifts - 325×3×3
Everything is pretty easy still but I don't wanna jump the gun. I'm just gonna follow the progression patterns I layer out.
I've also been doing barbell curls which I haven't done in years. 75×5×5
30 rep sets with side laterals with fairly heavy weight 30's
Heavy incline db Flys 60's for sets of 15
And some machines and cables. I didn't hit legs this week so today I'm gonna do 3 leg exercises, 2 back and 2 bicep exercises and back to my regular routine.
This week.
Monday - jump rope, foot work/mobility stuff, heavy bag work.
Tuesday - flat bench and ohp push day with forearm and grip work after.
Wednesday - same as Monday
Thursday - squats and deadlifts pull day
Friday - rest. If I missed a workout it gets made up on Friday.
Saturday - push day at a planet fitness, massage chair and tanning like a Bougie Bitch.
Sunday - pull day witj some legs mixed in.
gphagan1
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Are you going to enter another bench comp. as you get closer to 405?
Smont
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My gym is trying to get a full on PL meet in the spring. One of the mma guys is tight with monster energy drinks and there talking about sponsoring it. So I definitely would do that. But I think it's gonna take me all year or longer to add that extra 25lbs to the bar at 198lb class. If I go up to 220 I think I'd be able to pull off by fall. I was benching 315 for sets of 8-10 in March when I was on epistanevand weighing 218 and I noticed a few years back my pressing strength is pretty tightly tied to my bodyweight but my pulling strength sticks around better at lower weights
gphagan1
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Yeah the extra weight really does help on the bench, but man a 405 bench at 198 lbs would be an impressive feat. I’ve got this bench press calculator I like, of course it’s just close not perfect, but when you were benching 315x8-10, you were all over 400 to 410, so you’ve got it in you, but probably like you said maybe by next Winter. You could see what you’ve got at that meet in the Spring and hit another one at the end of next year. That’s cool if Monster ends up sponsoring it, that always draws more big names.
Hyde
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Yeah the extra weight really does help on the bench, but man a 405 bench at 198 lbs would be an impressive feat. I’ve got this bench press calculator I like, of course it’s just close not perfect, but when you were benching 315x8-10, you were all over 400 to 410, so you’ve got it in you, but probably like you said maybe by next Winter. You could see what you’ve got at that meet in the Spring and hit another one at the end of next year. That’s cool if Monster ends up sponsoring it, that always draws more big names.
Yeah the calculation that works for me says 315x10 is good for about a 418x1 effort. So if he has that much muscle power then it becomes about proper peaking & tuning his training to display that top end output. I’ve seen plenty of gym rats bench 315x10 but only max out around 365x1 because they have the muscle but don’t ever condition the nervous system.
When I just did 396 in comp I don’t think I hit more than like 305x8 tops in an AMRAP.
Smont
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When it comes to pressing, i have a lot of power/force production, but to be honest its luck of the draw. I dont really know proper bench form and im pretty bad at PL programing. I was always strong on the bench. I think i was in the 7th grade first time i benched 135 and i didint lift weights. I just did it in my uncles basement. I know in tge 7th and 8th grade i wrestled 119 or 125 so i was benching over my bodyweight from day 1. Ive made my own form adjustments to prevent or try to prevent injuries cus my sholders feel wonky and hurt from time to time. But id bet a few real lessons on technique would be huge for my progress. I had good results once with that brutal predator bench program or whatever it was so i used some stuff from that and traditional 3×5 and 5×5 stuff and throw in a AMRAP 1x week after a heavy set
Mikereyn513
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What type of compounds did you pin? Just curious
Smont
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Test, eq, lgd 4033.
Current doses are 450/450 teast and eq and im pinning 30mg lgd 4 x week on training days and 10mg oral lgd on off days with breakfast. No special reason why.
Test has definately not hit peak yet because im getting a little acne on my back, justv2 or 3 zits but that only seems to happen on the way up and the way back down.
So eq has definately not peaked either.
My buddy wants me to smash the peddle down next week if im only doing 10-12 weeks and he wants me to go hard with 6 weeks of a short ester and a oral. He has reasons that make sense but i probably will just add 20mg epistane alongside the lgd last 6.
This cycle is really just a mini recomp and gain strength back. Cruise january and february and start my summer cycle march april
Mikereyn513
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How's the injectable lgd going? Wouldn't mind taking that for a test drive. I've finally "kicked" pre workouts. Been over a week scince I stopped using AA's super shredder and had a wicked good leg session last night. Feels good just to have a pre workout meal and go train an hour later. The funny thing is my head actually feels more clear and I'm more focused without it than I was with it
Smont
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If you were gonna use lgd i would suggest 50mg a day. You have used a lot of anadrol so 30mg lgd is minium for you in my opinion. If i can save a bunch up il work something out with you in the spring if you want
Mikereyn513
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Sounds good bro
Mikereyn513
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What'd you guys think of the Olympia? Sucks about nick walker ( I don't think he would've had a shot but you never know especially at that level). Stoked that Jen dorie won bikini ( as you guys know curly haired fit girls are my thing *insert pic of my wife * lol)
manifesto
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I like Samson better than all them...dude looks like a legit super hero
Hyde
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I sat behind Nick at my booth a breakfast place last Thursday. His one leg was all bruised and swollen, but his other was jacked and peeled man. He is extremely muscular even by Olympian standards.
I am not a Derek Lundsford fan, I mean his physique, but in general the finalists in contention weren’t my cup of tea, besides Hadi. I also don’t consider myself a real bodybuilding fan, just a peanut gallery guy, so my opinion isn’t exactly valid
Mikereyn513
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Totally agree with you. Not a Lunsford fan at all. His back is insane I'll give him that but it his physique doesn't wow me like nick Samson or Jay back in the dayI sat behind Nick at my booth a breakfast place last Thursday. His one leg was all bruised and swollen, but his other was jacked and peeled man. He is extremely muscular even by Olympian standards.
I am not a Derek Lundsford fan, I mean his physique, but in general the finalists in contention weren’t my cup of tea, besides Hadi. I also don’t consider myself a real bodybuilding fan, just a peanut gallery guy, so my opinion isn’t exactly valid
Smont
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My buddy modified some stuff on my power days to make my warm up sets 50, 60, and 70% of my projected max lifts at the moment and then either 3×3 or 1×5 depending on a few variables but anyway heres todays workout. My buddy rests really long between sets snd im a catch my breath and go guy or maybe 2 min for a heavy set so i did some chins just to feel like i worked harder lolInvalid Link Removed
I screwed up and was looking at the deadlift number on one of my warm up sets so instead of bench 225×6 i did 235×8 before my sets of 3
Next time instead of 3x3 we will add 5lbs and do 1×5 then alternate i guess. I was supposed to do this yesterday so i probably will box tomorrow and then move some workouts around to get back on track. Had someone at the gym ask if i went back on so i guess thats good someone noticed lol
I screwed up and was looking at the deadlift number on one of my warm up sets so instead of bench 225×6 i did 235×8 before my sets of 3
Next time instead of 3x3 we will add 5lbs and do 1×5 then alternate i guess. I was supposed to do this yesterday so i probably will box tomorrow and then move some workouts around to get back on track. Had someone at the gym ask if i went back on so i guess thats good someone noticed lol
Smont
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I missed all of it. Who was top 3? I gotta go look it up. I cimpletely forgotI sat behind Nick at my booth a breakfast place last Thursday. His one leg was all bruised and swollen, but his other was jacked and peeled man. He is extremely muscular even by Olympian standards.
I am not a Derek Lundsford fan, I mean his physique, but in general the finalists in contention weren’t my cup of tea, besides Hadi. I also don’t consider myself a real bodybuilding fan, just a peanut gallery guy, so my opinion isn’t exactly valid
Smont
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Wanted some thoughts from you guys, i dont want to let this cycle go very long or get very hardcore because in march or april im gonna start my summer cycle and its gonna be a loooong one. But i also wanna capatilize a bit on strength and body composition.
What you guys think About me holding at 450-450 with test and eq and for the next 6 weeks i have enough on hand to run 100mg tren ace and 100mg mast prop and 20mg daily epistane. I would be eating at maint 5 days a week and on my power days id jam some extra calories in post workout.
You think thats enough of a add on to make some strength and body comp changes? It was actually my buddies suggestion to jack up the doses with short esters and make a hard push before cruising on a higher then normal test dose into my summer cycle. But he was talkinf 300/300 tren ace/mast prop and 50mg of anadrol.
I dont wanna go any higher then 100 tren because im gonna use it again seccond half of my summer cycle. The mast is at 100 because i dont pirticularly need it but my boy and honestly ive seen it too, matching mast to tren kinda handles the changes to estrogen that the tren causes. And i dont wanna use drol, dbol, sd or winni at this time and i got 90 epistane pills
What you guys think About me holding at 450-450 with test and eq and for the next 6 weeks i have enough on hand to run 100mg tren ace and 100mg mast prop and 20mg daily epistane. I would be eating at maint 5 days a week and on my power days id jam some extra calories in post workout.
You think thats enough of a add on to make some strength and body comp changes? It was actually my buddies suggestion to jack up the doses with short esters and make a hard push before cruising on a higher then normal test dose into my summer cycle. But he was talkinf 300/300 tren ace/mast prop and 50mg of anadrol.
I dont wanna go any higher then 100 tren because im gonna use it again seccond half of my summer cycle. The mast is at 100 because i dont pirticularly need it but my boy and honestly ive seen it too, matching mast to tren kinda handles the changes to estrogen that the tren causes. And i dont wanna use drol, dbol, sd or winni at this time and i got 90 epistane pills
Mikereyn513
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Was your OHP seated or standing?
Smont
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Standing strict press, little bit of leg drive on the last set. Seated with a back support i was doing 225x6 back in march. If i didint fall off track and start boxing more this probably would have been a good growth year for me once i put that strength into some volume sets.
Mikereyn513
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I like your cycle although I LOVE 300/300 tren/mast I wouldn't use it all if your gonna go full blown in the spring. Plus you should get pretty decent results from your original plan especially scince yiu haven't ran doses like that in a while. I don't even remember the last time you ran tren so you could get a lot out of 100mg on top of the epistane which you responded really well to during the bench comp
Smont
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Last time i used tren it was 70mg a week for 4 weeks and 140mg the 5th week and stopped.
Smont
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I used winni for the bench comp but i used epistane in march this year, it makes me stupid strong, i was shocked actually because i didnt remeber it being that significant
Mikereyn513
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Me too scince nick was out. After pre judging I thought hadi was a lock based on condition alone. I think there's politics at play tho. I think the Mannion's are tired of having the title halfway across the world on top of the language barrier. Bad for business. We only see hadi or big ramy once a year which sucks because if that's hiw they think Dorian Yates would've never became "the shadow"
Mikereyn513
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Oh yea that's right I remember yiu using both but I specifically remember how impressed yiu were with the epistane
Smont
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Its weird, in some of the pics im looking at derrick looks rediculous but in others his upper body looks realy soft. Then il see anothet where hes carved out of stone. I really think pictures dont do any justice on stage
Mikereyn513
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Oh yea then 100 right now will be just fine
Mikereyn513
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That's what everyone was saying. Why is his front so soft? But his back and legs ( especially the side shots) no one can touch right now
Smont
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Super impressed. I will stack with drol or sd next comp
Ive used very little 19nors, espically tren. Ive used less tren then anything else. Mostly because the only bad sides iv got before were 19's. But im learning over time how to manage them properly
Mikereyn513
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If you have time big Paul does a pretty good breakdown and the video is only like 20 minutes. Unlike Jay cutler pod with milos or that God awful Dave Palumbo. I only watch him for Lee priest and king kamali is actually pretty good too
Mikereyn513
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Atleast your aware so yiu can prepare and have everything you need on hand
Hyde
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Yeah if you add 100 Tren A, 100 mast p, and 140 Epistane per week you’re definitely going to see some extra gains. That’s 340/wk of fast acting gear - you should see some obvious strength and size changes by week 3, building through all 6 weeks. Epistane always made me a lot stronger by weeks 4-6 on it.
That much EQ is going to take a while to clear out though, probably most of your 12 week cruise will have EQ on deck still. Might wanna pull it a week or two before test comes out if you want a lighter cruise/recovery phase.
That much EQ is going to take a while to clear out though, probably most of your 12 week cruise will have EQ on deck still. Might wanna pull it a week or two before test comes out if you want a lighter cruise/recovery phase.
Smont
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Its a possibility, i gotta be honest tho il probably run theq right up to the end and jusr stretch the cruise a little longer unless something looks off. I actually tried saturday to make a appt for bloods and i cant get in till december 18th so i either look into privite labs and quest or i gotta play the waiting game. But, taking them later in december would paint a better picture of what im doing to myself with the tren/mast/oral so maybe start those this weekend and 4 weeks into those i do the bloods
gphagan1
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Waiting and taking bloods later sounds like a good plan, because that will give you more of a realistic picture of how things look moving forward. On those low doses, you’ll probably feel pretty good and have some good gym aggression to push that strength. I believe you could get to 405 on bench a little quicker than you think with what you’ve done in the past. Just obviously be careful with injuries. That actually sounds like a good recomp cycle, they all three are good on their own in a recomp and strength but that synergy together with Test just makes it better. I wish my old joints didn’t have issues on Epistane, because it is such a good all purpose oral.
MrKleen73
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Right, that or hold off on TRT dose of test for a couple weeks and rely on what is left of the EQ to be your base for androgens, and estrogen production. That way your overall androgens drop faster for the recovery period so your lipids can possibly recover faster. Not my own knowledge just something I heard Broderick champion on one of the courses on his site.
Yeah, I think with the extra calories and girth he will probably blow past 405 with that and a little work on form as he mentioned he thought his needed tweaking.
Hyde
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He has to work his technique if he wants to go from 370 to 405. That’s almost 10% increase for an already advanced lifter (training age, past drug exposure, etc). Something radical needs to happen to get back to 370s THEN also add another 30+lbs. The drugs will not be radically higher, nor peak bodyweight/muscle size, so getting better at benching is the most feasible way. This is done with increased frequency as well as some technical review/instruction.
It took me 4 years and gaining 13lbs more peak bodyweight to go from 352 to 396. I never benched more than twice a week.
@Smont studies of powerlifters show increased strength benefits of increasing weekly bench frequency up to 4x a week, with 3x being the real money spot, if you can adjust total volume to make that recoverable. But you also need to have a decent technique, so if you can find someone great at benching to teach you or follow some videos that would be ideal.
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MrKleen73
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Yeah good point. I had it in my head his bench was bigger than that for some reason. I think just because I have always been impressed with his bench numbers for someone who isn't powerlifting.
Hyde
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Well it’s actually because of this that I think it’s really doable. Theoretically, the crappier his bench technique is now, the better - I have put 15lbs on people’s bench in one session who were making big mistakes, and 30lbs within a month, just from fixing dumb things with feet, hands, wrists, etc. I doubt Smont’s is as bad as he leads on, but if he can get even 10lbs more out of a better technique for him, that’s 10 less he has to add via size or actually getting stronger.
But if there’s any low-hanging fruit, we want to grab it!