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Building Back Up

yeah man the past few months it seems like things have been picking up some really positive momentum for you.
Yessir! There's still something going on; the PEM developed a little more as the day went on, but very light and tolerable still. Staying on target.

Also, I feel like my training plan and diet is finely tuned for me and I really can't wait to get back into gaining. It's been a while since I've had high hopes and positive expectations.
 
Squat 3 x 8 x 225
Neutral Grip Pullup 4 x 3/3/3/3 x BW, 10 x BW-112
One Arm DB Row 2 x 10 x 40
Seated Hamstring Curl 2 x 8 x 60
Cable Pull-Aparts 3 x 8 x 40
Incline DB Curl 3 x 8 x 25's
Neutral Grip Pullup 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1
Squat 3 x 8 x 225
Facepulls 3 x 10 x 16.5
Seated Hamstring Curls 3 x 8 x 60
Neutral Grip Cable Row 8x77, 3 x 8/8/8 x 88
Incline DB Curl 3 x 9/9/8 x 25's
Cable Pull-Aparts 12x34, 10x46

Squat after pullups is much better. Same weight and reps for Squat as last week but felt *cleaner*. Going to start doing the Hamstring curls 1 leg at a time because the left leg once to give up on every rep (the one I had ACL repair on).
 
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Going to start doing the Hamstring curls 1 leg at a time because the left leg once to give up on every rep (the one I had ACL repair on).

yeah I have to really focus on the left side (same, torn acl) to make it fully engage in squats and deads. at one point, I realized I was practically doing 1 legged squats cause my left leg while there and seemingly engaged, wasn't really doing anything except balancing me lol. took me a while to realize my right leg was doing all the work and i needed to mentally really focus on more left leg engagement.
 
yeah I have to really focus on the left side (same, torn acl) to make it fully engage in squats and deads. at one point, I realized I was practically doing 1 legged squats cause my left leg while there and seemingly engaged, wasn't really doing anything except balancing me lol. took me a while to realize my right leg was doing all the work and i needed to mentally really focus on more left leg engagement.
Oh yeah....I know exactly what you're saying. Pretty sure that's how I've jacked up my left shoulder too.
 
Weight: 218.4

Slept well again. Still using lunesta, but I guess it really was only about caloric intake the whole time. I don't understand it though; something happened just the past couple years to kick it off.
 
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Lol yeah, but I only had half actually...didn't gorge like I used to. It's interesting though...those massive food cravings to gorge are significantly lower and my sense of satiety is improving.
Yeah, I've been dieting the past 8 weeks and tracking cals and over time it just gets easier to make the right choices/intuitively know what fits, and not feeling as starved.

I just bumped up about 500 cals to keep at maintenance and I'm having a hard time hitting it!
yeah man the past few months it seems like things have been picking up some really positive momentum for you.
^ this, seems like everything is clicking for you. Glad to see it!
 
Figured I'd post a typical weekday of food intake...

Breakfast
2 or 3 scrambled eggs
2oz People's Choice Beef Jerky
1 cup oats
1 apple

Lunch
~6oz grilled chicken thighs
1 pouch Uncle Ben's Long Grain and Wild Ready Rice
150g blackberries

Dinner
~6oz grilled chicken thighs
1.5 servings Annie's Organic Mac and Cheese
150g canned pumpkin
120g 1% Cottage cheese
170g fat free plain Greek yogurt

No veggies yet, but plan on it soon.
 
Lol yeah, but I only had half actually...didn't gorge like I used to. It's interesting though...those massive food cravings to gorge are significantly lower and my sense of satiety is improving.

isn't that wild? I will still overindulge from time to time on a drink, but yeah I'm with you. I used to be able to kill a whole container of ice cream in my 20s. now days it's like 3 bites is enough. I couldn't even finish this monster cheeseburger I had saturday.

Figured I'd post a typical weekday of food intake...

Breakfast
2 or 3 scrambled eggs
2oz People's Choice Beef Jerky
1 cup oats
1 apple

Lunch
~6oz grilled chicken thighs
1 pouch Uncle Ben's Long Grain and Wild Ready Rice
150g blackberries

Dinner
~6oz grilled chicken thighs
1.5 servings Annie's Organic Mac and Cheese
150g canned pumpkin
120g 1% Cottage cheese
170g fat free plain Greek yogurt

No veggies yet, but plan on it soon.

looks like we are running very similar macros right now. slightly different approach on carbs ( I still go mostly with rice) but very very similar layout.
 
isn't that wild? I will still overindulge from time to time on a drink, but yeah I'm with you. I used to be able to kill a whole container of ice cream in my 20s. now days it's like 3 bites is enough. I couldn't even finish this monster cheeseburger I had saturday.



looks like we are running very similar macros right now. slightly different approach on carbs ( I still go mostly with rice) but very very similar layout.
For years I did keto/low carb, and now realize that killed the gains, but now I'm really enjoying the lower fat and higher carb and fruit diet. It really helps the cravings. Are you eating rice all day?
 
I have a large serving of rice every morning with either ground turkey, or eggs, or ground beef.
Then I try to have another serving of rice (easiest) or oatmeal if I forget my rice, around 9-10am if I have a lunch time lift session. Or I'll throw it down around 2pm if I am lifting after work.

I typically don't stress over carbs at dinner time at all, just protein and fiber (veggies). But I will let myself snack on lower fat chips (my favorite sin) in the evening if I'm not trying to cut.


I agree with you. I am not a fan of the keto lifestyle, but ironically have fallen in love with fasting.
 
oh if I have a big lifting session tomorrow, (like heavy bench or heavy deads) I do try to incorporate more carbs at night as well. for average lifting sessions it seems like breakfast carbs are good. but when seeking PR's or knowing I'm going into a real grinder session, carbing up the night before seems to help.
 
Weight: 218.0

Macros
2,466 kcal
194g pro
61g fat
284g carb

8.8k steps.

May not hit the goal of 216 this week, but 2 more days to at least get under last week's low of 217.4.
 
I have a large serving of rice every morning with either ground turkey, or eggs, or ground beef.
Then I try to have another serving of rice (easiest) or oatmeal if I forget my rice, around 9-10am if I have a lunch time lift session. Or I'll throw it down around 2pm if I am lifting after work.

I typically don't stress over carbs at dinner time at all, just protein and fiber (veggies). But I will let myself snack on lower fat chips (my favorite sin) in the evening if I'm not trying to cut.


I agree with you. I am not a fan of the keto lifestyle, but ironically have fallen in love with fasting.
So how many carbs are you eating per day now that you are back to gaining? It would seem kind the amount of carbs in those 2 meals is massive lol
 
So how many carbs are you eating per day now that you are back to gaining? It would seem kind the amount of carbs in those 2 meals is massive lol

It seems like it but when you break it down I'm probably not really eating more than 200g to 250g total on a given day. My normal eating to satiety is likely under 2500 calories on any given day so it's the extra cheats, protein shakes etc (and fats unfortunately) that probably push me over. I think I average at least 100-150g of carbs by 9-10am on most lifting days. But the amount of carbs I have after I haven't been tracking lately, it can often be very little to maybe like 50-60 depending on how much I dig into the bag of chips or the tortillas lol
 
Seated DB OHP 4 x 8/8/8/7 x 70's
Dips 4 x 10/10/10/8 x BW
Iso-Lateral CG Incline Press 2 x 8/8 x 81 😆
Upright Row 3 x 8/8/8 x 40
DB Lateral Raise 2 x 10 x 5's 😆
One Arm Rope Pressdown 4 x 8/6/6/6 x 22

Even dropping to 40 lb for the Upright Row, the left shoulder is higher then the right. Calling the chiro today. Otherwise, feeling the deficit, but not a huge deal.
Seated DB OHP 4 x 8 x 70's
Dips 4 x 8 x BW
Upright Row 3 x 8 x 40
DB Lateral Raise 2 x 10 x 5's
Iso-Lateral CG Incline Press 3 x 8 x 101
One Arm Rope Pressdown 4 x 8 x 16.5

Lateral delts are finally working. It's been a long time since I felt any Lateral delt work in the right place. Pretty sure I've just been working the supraspinatus most of the time 😆
 
Weight: 218.0

Macros
2,466 kcal
194g pro
61g fat
284g carb

8.8k steps.

May not hit the goal of 216 this week, but 2 more days to at least get under last week's low of 217.4.
Yeah, those cheats can wreck progress if your body isn't somewhat rundown and begging for nutrition. I would recommend not doing them at least for the first month of a weightloss attempt. If you are going to do them then lower your daily intake to keep the calories pretty much the same. So you normally eat 2500 but have a 4000 calorie day due to a cheat meal then you need to drop about 1500 calories from the week on other days to actually make the intended progress. So cut down by another 200 cals a day or just don't do a cheat meal weekly and you will see that you stay on your progress timeline.
 
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Good news!

Weight: 216.8

Weight still down and still have today and Saturday to get to my 216 target.

Yesterday Macros
2,398 kcal
198g pro
69g fat
243g cho

16k steps.

Slept really good last night also.
 
Good stuff!
 
Weight: 217.4

Rack Pull 4 x 5/5/5/4 x 335
Leg Press 3 x 8/8/10 x 340
Mid-Row Machine 12x165, 10x185, 8x205, 8x145
Shrug Machine 15x90, 3 x 10/10/9 x 140
Cable Pull-Aparts 3 x 12 x 34
Hammer Curls 3 x 10/10/8 x 25's

In some ways, the Rack Pull feels harder than a regular deadlift...guessing from my weaker hamstrings, and no Leg drive to gain momentum. But, I finally feel like I got a perfect program for me...all exercises feel *right* if that makes sense.

Down 1.6 pounds from this time last week. Right on target.
Weight: 216.8

Rack Pull 4 x 4 x 275
Leg Press 15x180, 12x270, 2 x 8 x 360
Mid-Row Machine 12x165, 10x185, 2 x 8 x 205
Cable Pull-Aparts 8 x 54, 10x46, 9x46
Shrug Machine 3 x 10/10/10 x 140
Hammer Curls 3 x 10/10/7 x 25's

Hamstrings still very sore from Hamstring curls on Tuesday, so lightened the load on Rack pulls, and felt weak anyway after starting so it turned out just right. Actually, everything was still sore from Tuesday lol pushed through anyway.
 
Weight: 216.2

Yesterday Macros
2,675 kcal
192g pro
95g fat
258g CHO

14.5k steps.

.2 pounds away from the goal this week, so I still lost 1.4 pounds from last week's lowest weight even with 2 cheat meals in there. Going by the maths @MrKleen73 laid out earlier, that would mean either the cheat meals weren't as damaging as I thought, or my TDEE is a little higher then and the calculators are saying and may further explain why I feel like trash with kcal in the 2300-2500 range. Maybe that's a 1000 kcal deficit which is pretty extreme, isn't it?

Either way, I'm psyched. 1 cheat meal tonight, but don't plan to go too crazy so I can keep the results coming.
 
Weight: 216.2

Yesterday Macros
2,675 kcal
192g pro
95g fat
258g CHO

14.5k steps.

.2 pounds away from the goal this week, so I still lost 1.4 pounds from last week's lowest weight even with 2 cheat meals in there. Going by the maths @MrKleen73 laid out earlier, that would mean either the cheat meals weren't as damaging as I thought, or my TDEE is a little higher then and the calculators are saying and may further explain why I feel like trash with kcal in the 2300-2500 range. Maybe that's a 1000 kcal deficit which is pretty extreme, isn't it?

Either way, I'm psyched. 1 cheat meal tonight, but don't plan to go too crazy so I can keep the results coming.
Yes, a 1000kCal deficit is enough to make you feel exhausted, weak and starving most of the time if not fasting. It's really the largest daily deficit most would recommend going by the 2lbs per week target. It was definitely brutal on me. However like you my estimated maintenance may be low, especially with me on a blast.

I don't know how lean you are at 216, but I wouldn't be surprised at all for it to be over 3200, even 3500 if you are decently active and train hard 3-4 times a week.
 
Yes, a 1000kCal deficit is enough to make you feel exhausted, weak and starving most of the time if not fasting. It's really the largest daily deficit most would recommend going by the 2lbs per week target. It was definitely brutal on me. However like you my estimated maintenance may be low, especially with me on a blast.

I don't know how lean you are at 216, but I wouldn't be surprised at all for it to be over 3200, even 3500 if you are decently active and train hard 3-4 times a week.
I'm wondering if that's what is really going on then.
Theoretically is I didn't lose any muscle from the 8 pounds I've lost, then I'm about 22% BF now (some muscles actually look bigger and sleeves fit tighter). I'll continue with the current plan another week... roughly 2500 kcal with 1 cheat per week.
 
yeah 1k cals is a pretty large deficit for most people.
Someone who is 100lbs overweight might feel better with a 1k cal deficit because now they're making better food choices anyways etc, but for your avg person who's pretty consistent and hyper aware of what they're putting in their body like you are, 1k is steep.

(some muscles actually look bigger and sleeves fit tighter).

that's a great sign, recomping is a hell of a lot more fun then straight up cutting, looks like your lifting regiment must be working too then
 
yeah 1k cals is a pretty large deficit for most people.
Someone who is 100lbs overweight might feel better with a 1k cal deficit because now they're making better food choices anyways etc, but for your avg person who's pretty consistent and hyper aware of what they're putting in their body like you are, 1k is steep.



that's a great sign, recomping is a hell of a lot more fun then straight up cutting, looks like your lifting regiment must be working too then
Honestly, I think most people who are 1000lbs overweight are probably not eating quite as big of a surplus as you would think. It has just been going on forever. 10 years of a 500 calorie a day surplus really adds up.
 
yeah 1k cals is a pretty large deficit for most people.
Someone who is 100lbs overweight might feel better with a 1k cal deficit because now they're making better food choices anyways etc, but for your avg person who's pretty consistent and hyper aware of what they're putting in their body like you are, 1k is steep.


that's a great sign, recomping is a hell of a lot more fun then straight up cutting, looks like your lifting regiment must be working too then
Yeah, it's great, even my upper chest is filling out more. What doesn't seem to be growing or changing are my Lateral delts 😞
 
Yeah, it's great, even my upper chest is filling out more. What doesn't seem to be growing or changing are my Lateral delts 😞
Up the volume and frequency. You could probably do medial delts every time you trained if you really want them to grow. They recover fast!
 
idk man that's pretty heavy
Haha! It would be a very long time at a 500 calorie surplus. Let's go with 100lbs overweight instead.
 
Up the volume and frequency. You could probably do medial delts every time you trained if you really want them to grow. They recover fast!
Even in a deficit? At what point would be diminishing returns do you think? My medial delts are getting 8-10 direct sets per week, and then 8 sets of OHP per week.
 
Even in a deficit? At what point would be diminishing returns do you think? My medial delts are getting 8-10 direct sets per week, and then 8 sets of OHP per week.
How are your front delts? If they are good / good enough put all of those other sets to medial and or rear delts. You can push shoulders up into 20-30 sets a week.

As far as being in a deficit you want the stuff you want to grow to be getting the most attention to show the body what you want it to prioritize the most. If you really want them to come up back off a little on something that is developed enough or gets indirect work via other movements. So like Traps, those get done with rows, and Deadlifts. No need for direct trap training in a cut. Got big calves, 3 sets of shoulder raises to replace. Simple stuff.
 
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How are your front delts? If they are good / good enough put all of those other sets to medial delts. You can push shoulders up into 20-30 sets a week.
Eh, delts all around are lagging behind everything else. But I hear ya. I'll start increasing the delt work.
 
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All good input all around. Thanks gentz. I know I said it before, but i really feel like when I get back to gaining, the gains will start ripping.
 
Flat DB Press 4 x 8/8/6/6 x 90's
Standing OHP 4 x 10/9/8/8 x 105
Machine Delt Raise 4 x 8/8/8/9 x 50
Overhead Cable Extension 8 x 27.5, 2 x 8 x 22
CG Iso-Lateral Incline Press 2 x 8 x 81
Skullcrushers 2 x 8 x 50

Probably need to lighten the load on Flat db Press like I did ohp to get my reps back up. Otherwise, unremarkable. Keeping kcal tight now. Goal is to be 216 or less by Saturday.
Weight: 218.4

Flat DB Press 4 x 8/8/8/6 x 90's
Standing OHP 4 x 8/8/8/8 x 105
Machine Delt Raise 4 x 10/9/9/10 x 50
CG Iso-Lateral Incline Press 3 x 8/8/8 x 101
Skullcrushers 3 x 8/8/8 x 50
Db Lateral Raise 2 x 10 x 5's
 
I mean there’s only so much you can probably do in a deficit anyways. Delts are tough too, like they just don’t always pop and it feels like I have to be pretty lean to appreciate them (might be different for others).

Also idk about them being super fast recoverers. I’ll preface this with I think muscle fiber type stuff is tough and we shouldn’t extrapolate too far due to me wondering how divergent individuals may be and the fact that after quite a bit of time training it I can train them quite frequently, but the medial delt probably is the least slow twitch of the delts. It also has moderate muscle damage potential based on lengths, but I’d have to go back and look at it again.

Pic for reference.

I’m not saying don’t do it, I think increasing the frequency probably would do the trick, just that maybe during a deficit it won’t be the best time for the potential improvements. You seem to be hitting your groove right now though so overall if it feels good when you add some in I’d go with what keeps you moving forward.
That's a cool chart, but I wasn't really talking so much about the fiber types as if I knock down 10% of my garage and have to repair it, then it is going to take a lot less time than if I knock down 10% of my house and have to repair it. It's just a lot less tissue to repair than most other body parts. If favoring with more volume while lowering volume somewhere else it make this a lot more doable. Of course like you said in a deficit he is probably not going to make a lot of huge changes. However if he wanted to try that would be the approach I would suggest.
 
Fiber type relates to how quickly a muscle recovers, slow twitch will recover from training faster than fast twitch.
@Resolve10 Just curious, do they actually recover faster somehow or do they just take on less damage during the training due to the fiber type?

From my experience, the fastest my medial delts ever responded was doing cell swelling sets of side raises at every single training session on top of what was done for direct shoulder training during the workout. Something I am about to start doing again once I bump calories a little more.
 
Great post @Resolve10, so just like with 99% of the stuff we do it is kind of a try it and see how your body responds thing. Since we are all plenty similar but also different enough for things to affect us all quite differently. The trick is finding the volume, intensity and frequency that works for each of us with each muscle group or even movement.
 
I think, and I’m probably droning on for too long, is that while some of that sounds counterintuitive it makes more sense if you think about it.

You get good results adding that extra work for your delts because those cell swelling sets probably are quite effective without huge systemic fatigue. Whereas with a large muscle group like quads you might have to implement some more intense levels of training that might cause more systemic fatigue.

Just some extra musings, hope that makes sense.
No, that is exactly what I was thinking. Far less systemic fatigue and in this case more metabolic factors driving hypertrophy than mechanical tension doing actual damage. I would say most cell swelling work in and of itself is probably pretty high stimulus to fatigue ratio.
 
Neutral Grip Pullup 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1
Squat 3 x 8 x 225
Facepulls 3 x 10 x 16.5
Seated Hamstring Curls 3 x 8 x 60
Neutral Grip Cable Row 8x77, 3 x 8/8/8 x 88
Incline DB Curl 3 x 9/9/8 x 25's
Cable Pull-Aparts 12x34, 10x46

Squat after pullups is much better. Same weight and reps for Squat as last week but felt *cleaner*. Going to start doing the Hamstring curls 1 leg at a time because the left leg once to give up on every rep (the one I had ACL repair on).
Straight Bar Pull Up 3, 2, 1, -3, -3
Squat 3 x 8/8/8 x 230
Natural Grip Cable Row 3 x 8/8/8 x 99
Single Leg Seated Hamstring Curl 3 x 10/8/8 x 30
Facepulls 3 x 12/12/12 x 16.5
Machine Shrug 12x90, 2 x 10 x 140
Hammer Curl 3 x 10/10/8 x 25's
Lat Pulldown (scapular retraction/depression) practice
 
I should've said in that last post I really need to work on my pull ups, straight bar in particular. But, that left shoulder just doesn't want to work correctly. 3rd appointment with chiro tomorrow. Unsure how much progress I'm making yet.

If anyone is familiar with wall angels, should the shoulder blades be pinned down and back and not move at all on the movement up? Or, is there a natural movement that's supposed to happen also?
 
I should've said in that last post I really need to work on my pull ups, straight bar in particular. But, that left shoulder just doesn't want to work correctly. 3rd appointment with chiro tomorrow. Unsure how much progress I'm making yet.

If anyone is familiar with wall angels, should the shoulder blades be pinned down and back and not move at all on the movement up? Or, is there a natural movement that's supposed to happen also?
I don't really think there is another way to do them. The retraction is required to get your forearms to touch the wall.
 
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