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To Infinity.... and Beyond!

Squats
10 x bar
8 x 95, 135
3 x 185, 225, 255, 275, 300
1 x 320
5 x 275

Fronts
3 x 155, 175, 195

Good mornings
10 x 155
8 x 175, 195

Leg press
15 x +180
10 x +270
8 x +360





Notes
Weight 195
Last week 270 x 3 and 300 x singles so this is definitely a linear improvement there. Felt awesome. Spaciness gone by the time I got to the gym. Aggression and arrogance were high. Felt good!!

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oh I wasn't tired the first time I tried it on Sunday. energy level was good. just was spacy, it was a weird mental state.
Today I only took a half scoop of prewo instead of a normal heaping scoop and I don't think I even needed that lol. I was sweating like a pig and the workout felt awesome
 
Sounds like a positive to me! Congrats on moving up in weight!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds like a positive to me! Congrats on moving up in weight!
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Thanks man, it was a GREAT session. even in my warm up sets I pondered putting off putting my belt on (I usually put it on around 225-245lbs to start stretching the leather a little) and wondered if I'd attempt a PR today lol. Had a killer glute pump half way through the squats which always cracks me up 😅

When I got home from Mexico between sunburns and everything else I had a lot of dry skin and my nipples were super itchy, been applying lotion and have that fixed but since this is my first time running legit TDs I still maintain some level of ignorant paranoia in my head and I am wondering if I should be using that PCT I posted above, any thoughts? I also have Steves E-Inhibit product coming Thursday that probably made more sense on the dermacrine than it does now that I'm using Ultra Hard but... I guess I just don't know what I dont know until I find out. a lot of this stuff I don't even know what questions to ask to be honest!

everything is just bigger right now. pecs are bigger, legs are thicker, ass is thicker, arms are noticeably thicker. I'm loving this "bulk". I really need to try to keep my belt loop at the third hole even if I let myself go over 200lbs. but I haven't given up on strength gains yet despite sorta wishing I was a tiny bit leaner.
 
I've also had a stiff neck for about a week now. I figured that and my very tight forward delts were due to changing grip on the squats and moving the bar down. my delts have loosened up just fine, no issues there. neck is still very stiff and sore, but did not hinder me on squats today and i slept through the night so I didn't have to pick up my head to toss and turn on the pillow like I had been the past week lol
 
I would not use Inhibit E while also using Ultra Hard, unless you are finding any nipple sensitivity from the Dermacrine. UltraHard not only does not to convert to estrogen, it competes with it/antagonizes the estrogen receptor. You want estrogen as high as comfortable when size/strength is the goal. When cutting you want it on the lower side of a healthy range.
 
Just do a couple fasting days in a row then get back in your slight surplus.
 
Hyde said:
I would not use Inhibit E while also using Ultra Hard, unless you are finding any nipple sensitivity from the Dermacrine. UltraHard not only does not to convert to estrogen, it competes with it/antagonizes the estrogen receptor. You want estrogen as high as comfortable when size/strength is the goal. When cutting you want it on the lower side of a healthy range.
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if I ask you the same question a thousand different ways I promise you I am listening and processing and eventually I'll understand better lol.

as far as sensitivity goes, I'd say no. a titty twister wouldn't hurt any more than usual but that dry skin I had was a pain in the ass and had me paranoid. that seems to be gone with lotion and bringing back fishoil into my routine. But you know me, when I'm toying with new supplements I'm hyperaware of any way my body reacts to it and I'm also hyperaware of PERCEIVED reactions so I gotta cut through the **** and figure out what's real.

So unless my nipples are sensitive to the touch, save the inhibit e for maybe on a cut.
What about that otc pct that people seem to like. I know you said the compounds I'm playing with are fairly safe, especially saved for preWO, any downside or upside to me utilizing the pct after a month or so?

MrKleen73 said:
Just do a couple fasting days in a row then get back in your slight surplus.
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I should have fasted yesterday but had planned to lift. half way through the day I opted to take a rest day as my body was just trashed. glad I did as today was great session but it throws the week out of whack. I might fast Friday then as my wife and I are meeting friends at Ocean Shores for some crab festival so a 24hr fast would fit in nicely before the weekend break.
 
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haha yeah I'm bad dude. the last week I've been like my wife just lathering that **** up everywhere. I used to get a horribly itchy back in the winter but this new shower my wife had made has three jets that shoot out the wall onto your mid section, and one higher one for the hair. those three just sit there and dry out my chest and nipples I think.
 
Dustin07 said:
haha yeah I'm bad dude. the last week I've been like my wife just lathering that **** up everywhere. I used to get a horribly itchy back in the winter but this new shower my wife had made has three jets that shoot out the wall onto your mid section, and one higher one for the hair. those three just sit there and dry out my chest and nipples I think.
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Oh yeah I understand, fortunately I haven’t had the problem in the winter. I did however back in the day get bad nosebleeds but once I discovered a humidifier in the room I sleep has not been an issue. I just need it to get warm and sunny I’ve got so pale this winter when I go to the gym it’s bad 😂
 
akboom87 said:
Oh yeah I understand, fortunately I haven’t had the problem in the winter. I did however back in the day get bad nosebleeds but once I discovered a humidifier in the room I sleep has not been an issue. I just need it to get warm and sunny I’ve got so pale this winter when I go to the gym it’s bad 😂
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maybe a spray tan? 😅😅
whats funny is as soon as I run out of fishoil my skin dries out and yet it always takes me 4-6 weeks to remember to get more lol. always runs out around January too lol


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Dustin07 said:
maybe a spray tan? 😅😅
whats funny is as soon as I run out of fishoil my skin dries out and yet it always takes me 4-6 weeks to remember to get more lol. always runs out around January too lol


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Lol think I’ll pass on the spray tan. The good thing is everyone else is just as pale so it doesn’t stick out 🤣
 
275 X 5 is a very respectable squat !!
 
You could do a bottle of something like CEL Clomaplex if you just feel better about it, but I wouldn’t use an actual SERM. A research chem SERM is very affordable, probably even cheaper, but that’s not the point - the point is not exposing yourself to drugs unnecessarily. Like Clomid has some ocular toxicity risks, and Tamoxifen increases blood clotting, and so on. They are not safer than not using when they are simply not needed.
 
9:10 am 4 1/2 pumps (rx is 4-5 pumps and it took a couple blank pumps to prime the pummper so first pump I'm counting as a 1/2 )
9:50 am, spacey sensation again lol. like a weird brain fog but not at all tired. it's not a negative feeling but I wouldn't be able to go to sleep right now if I needed to. should go lifting around 11am.

it's almost like a nicotine buzz, and my sore neck which has been stiff for a week now, seems less stiff/sore at the moment.
 
Dustin07 said:
9:10 am 4 1/2 pumps (rx is 4-5 pumps and it took a couple blank pumps to prime the pummper so first pump I'm counting as a 1/2 )
9:50 am, spacey sensation again lol. like a weird brain fog but not at all tired. it's not a negative feeling but I wouldn't be able to go to sleep right now if I needed to. should go lifting around 11am.

it's almost like a nicotine buzz, and my sore neck which has been stiff for a week now, seems less stiff/sore at the moment.
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Okay so it sounds like you are getting the normal energy and slight euphoric-aggression that can come from it. I know a contradictory term there eh. If that is the case then it is expected just the wording had me thinking you felt damn near stoned and useless at the gym originally.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay so it sounds like you are getting the normal energy and slight euphoric-aggression that can come from it. I know a contradictory term there eh. If that is the case then it is expected just the wording had me thinking you felt damn near stoned and useless at the gym originally.
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hmm yeah it's a fully body high that I feel in my limbs but definitely doesn't sack my energy. almost go time at the gym we'll see how this session goes! I'm pumped. also I feel like I'm getting a thermo reaction from this stuff lol. I sweat like a pig yesterday.
 
OHP
10 x 95
5 x 115
3 x 135, 145, 155, 165

Bench
10 x 95, 135
5 x 185, 205
1 x 225, 250, 275
10 x 225 (PR baby!)

Incline
10 x bar, 95, 135, 155
5 x 185
10 x 135


Notes
Woke up at 193
Finally hit my 225 x 10
On rep 9 I think I audibly may have yelled NO FUCKER! To the barbell, the tenth was an absolute five minute grind but I wasn't gonna fail a third ten rep attempt at 225.
 
Dustin07 said:
OHP
10 x 95
5 x 115
3 x 135, 145, 155, 165

Bench
10 x 95, 135
5 x 185, 205
1 x 225, 250, 275
10 x 225 (PR baby!)

Incline
10 x bar, 95, 135, 155
5 x 185
10 x 135


Notes
Woke up at 193
Finally hit my 225 x 10
On rep 9 I think I audibly may have yelled NO FUCKER! To the barbell, the tenth was an absolute five minute grind but I wasn't gonna fail a third ten rep attempt at 225.
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Love those Reps !!

When I sweat like a pig it makes me think I gave it a good effort !!
 
Rocket3015 said:
Love those Reps !!

When I sweat like a pig it makes me think I gave it a good effort !!
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thank you!!! hitting 225 x 10 was just this HUGE milestone in my head that I've wanted for so many years. I'm on cloud nine right now! I just always have had this feeling that 225 x 10 is something, you know?
 
Dustin07 said:
thank you!!! hitting 225 x 10 was just this HUGE milestone in my head that I've wanted for so many years. I'm on cloud nine right now! I just always have had this feeling that 225 x 10 is something, you know?
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It is something to be proud of!
 
Dude, I got excited for you as soon as I saw that in your log with how much you have been focusing on it. Congrats on making that milestone!!! Now it is time to make a new goal or I should say move on to the one you already had planned next.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Congrats on making that milestone!!! Now it is time to make a new goal or I should say move on to the one you already had planned next.
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haha bingo! (and thank you!)
told Ian my lifting buddy now that I have it I might come in and start working heavy singles in that 275lb+ range so I can practice "heavy" the way I have practiced "reps". maybe hit like 5 singles for 275, then 5 at 280 etc. See how my body responds and find the best happy medium stimulus there without over taxing the cns.

that 275 I had today went up just fine, no real issues and was more of a paused rep but I don't think I had 290 in me, that's why I pulled back to 225.
 
Dustin07 said:
haha bingo! (and thank you!)
told Ian my lifting buddy now that I have it I might come in and start working heavy singles in that 275lb+ range so I can practice "heavy" the way I have practiced "reps". maybe hit like 5 singles for 275, then 5 at 280 etc. See how my body responds and find the best happy medium stimulus there without over taxing the cns.
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Sounds like a plan!
 
FWIW, some people I think get a slight energy rush from andros.

Also, I always rock 3 pumps with Icon products, more than that is just too much volume. And I always do post-shower, so post-WO.
 
Segansational said:
FWIW, some people I think get a slight energy rush from andros.

Also, I always rock 3 pumps with Icon products, more than that is just too much volume. And I always do post-shower, so post-WO.
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Can you explain what you mean by too much volume to me? I agree I think I am getting the rush and aggression from it but my shower time is either 5am or 6-7pm and gym is in the middle so I'm not sure I'd even be able to sleep if I took it in the evening.
 
Congrats on the PR and squats are looking really good. Just got caught up and sorry to here about your dog.
 
Dustin07 said:
9:10 am 4 1/2 pumps (rx is 4-5 pumps and it took a couple blank pumps to prime the pummper so first pump I'm counting as a 1/2 )
9:50 am, spacey sensation again lol. like a weird brain fog but not at all tired. it's not a negative feeling but I wouldn't be able to go to sleep right now if I needed to. should go lifting around 11am.

it's almost like a nicotine buzz, and my sore neck which has been stiff for a week now, seems less stiff/sore at the moment.
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Did you give up the Zynn pouches? I have no clue if this could be legit or not but I wonder if a cutting that out cold Turkey and then adding this in is possible causing the euphoria?

Hell yes on the PR too!!
 
Very Happy For You !!
 
Dustin07 said:
Can you explain what you mean by too much volume to me? I agree I think I am getting the rush and aggression from it but my shower time is either 5am or 6-7pm and gym is in the middle so I'm not sure I'd even be able to sleep if I took it in the evening.
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4 pumps is just too much lotion for my body size-wise. 3 pumps is just right, let's me hit chest/traps/delts and then legs/inner thighs/back of knees.
 
Segansational said:
4 pumps is just too much lotion for my body size-wise. 3 pumps is just right, let's me hit chest/traps/delts and then legs/inner thighs/back of knees.
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Between tops of feet, shoulders, clavicle area, inner thighs, and inside of forearms, you should be able to get it all on, right?
 
akboom87 said:
Did you give up the Zynn pouches? I have no clue if this could be legit or not but I wonder if a cutting that out cold Turkey and then adding this in is possible causing the euphoria?

Hell yes on the PR too!!
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thanks bro! nah, I don't think so, nicotine is just a habit that I picked up because I drive so much. sometimes as far as Canada to Oregon in a day, but always about 2 to 2.5hrs a day is my minimum normal commute. no withdrawal issues when I quit, just replace the habit with gum or sunflower seeds.

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4 pumps is just too much lotion for my body size-wise. 3 pumps is just right, let's me hit chest/traps/delts and then legs/inner thighs/back of knees.
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I found dermacrine and sustain alpha to both be a thicker gel that is easier to add more pumps, and the UH to be a bit more watery so I understand what you're saying here. I think my last dosage I did a pump to each side on traps, a pump to chest, and a pump to mid section. I'm trying to avoid getting any on my nipples cause they've been so damn dry lately.

MrKleen73 said:
Between tops of feet, shoulders, clavicle area, inner thighs, and inside of forearms, you should be able to get it all on, right?
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I *think* you're joking some? LOL I don't fully understand the delivery mechanisms but I know the bottles for the three items I've tried all highlight slightly different application areas... Sustain being lower/groinal area, and the dermacrine and UH both recommending higher traps areas? tops of feet and forearms... is that a thing? LOL
 
I've only used UH for a week now barely so its silly for me to have much feedback on it but I will say of those three products what I found was:

Sustain Alpha feels good, I just liked it. no issues.
Dermacrine, I noticed nothing at a half dose, needed the full dosage and I'm at the recommended weight cut off so I almost need the next level dosage. I gained weight on this (was warned I would ) and some of it is water weight
UH after only a week I feel like the excess dermacrine weight is already firming up nicely.

I'm also noticing in the morning my pecs are more rounded out and look good, body builder style. in the evenings and with dermacrine my right pec wasn't really as "full" looking in the lower half. it had me wanting to figure out a way to target it from a bb perspective like declines or something. I don't think it was "gyno" but since moving to UH I do like the shape of the pecs more. Also weight seems more stable. I don't have any desire to lose weight but some of the extra fluff I picked up in the last 2 months could tighten up.
 
All the areas I mentioned are areas of thin skin, and good for TD use. There is a higher density of a specific enzyme in the shoulders that helps convert dhea to androsterone instead of estrogen. Not sure it makes a huge difference with the ultra hard since it won't convert to estrogen.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Not sure it makes a huge difference with the ultra hard since it won't convert to estrogen.
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Since I'm still learning all of this stuff from you guys and a little baptismal by fire, here's my understanding:

dermacrine for bulk
UH for cut/maintenance, sorta. but not necessarily for a bulk

dermacrine definitely gave me the feel good vibes, but to use it in the quantity I'd like to I'm a little uncomfortable not using some sort of estrogen control next time because I am certain that my pecs have been firming up really well and really fast (and the nipple itching has been going away) since moving to UH.

What's the next TD compound i should play with? 😅

I'm thinking about early/mid april I'll be wrapping up 4 weeks of UH and I was going to take the recommended "equal amount of time off" from the product. Which means in May I could be looking at my next new cycle of something fun. Maybe something that promotes less bodyfat without sacrificing strength gains as we roll into summer?
 
also I'm supposed to get my snip around late April so I was sorta trying to time my strength cycles, 1rm attempts, rest/deload, and supplements around that.
 
So are you leaning more toward the dermacrine being the cause of the itchiness or the sunburn you got that you mentioned you thought it may have been from earlier? Honestly with just meeting the recommended dose of Dermacrine I would be surprised if it was causing any issue. Typically when people have those issues they are running it at higher doses like 1.5-2x unless they already have a lil gyno or something that is super sensitive. The tightening makes sense either way because the compound competes with estrogen for the receptor and has a higher affinity to it tan estro. So any water you may be holding will come right off. Even if you weren't running Dermacrine before starting the UH.
 
Warm up
DB curls, DB rows, DB RDLs

Power cleans
10 x 115
5 x 135, 155, 175
3 x 195, 215
1 x 225, 235

Deads
5 x 275
3 x 315, 345, 375, 400

RDL
3 x 10 x 225

Bb rows
3 x 10 x 135

Dude next to me was taking forever doing rack pull deads at 200lbs so when this rack opened up I decided to power clean 225.

Might be a great warm up for deads if I keep it around 135 next time lol.

Three lifting days in a row breaks my protocol with rests but I'll have date night with my wife, a good meal, and fast until dinner tomorrow, play golf in the morning and head out to the ocean for the weekend so rest days till Monday!

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MrKleen73 said:
So are you leaning more toward the dermacrine being the cause of the itchiness or the sunburn you got that you mentioned you thought it may have been from earlier? Honestly with just meeting the recommended dose of Dermacrine I would be surprised if it was causing any issue. Typically when people have those issues they are running it at higher doses like 1.5-2x unless they already have a lil gyno or something that is super sensitive. The tightening makes sense either way because the compound competes with estrogen for the receptor and has a higher affinity to it tan estro. So any water you may be holding will come right off. Even if you weren't running Dermacrine before starting the UH.
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No idea to be honest. Sun filled vacation, the XPG absolve, dermacrine, and the itchiness all started around the same time, roughly. unfortunately I can't exactly recall which came first. Right now at 194lbs I've gained a legit 10lbs since Sept when I started reverse dieting, 5 of them since new years. now, that's not fast really. that's only 1-2lbs per month and while I'd love to believe it was 50/50 fat/muscle we all know it's probably heavier on the fat side, but this is the first time in over a decade I've seen my weight over 190 (I hit 198 sunday lol).

I haven't had any dermacrine since last week when I switched to UH and the itchiness has decreased substantially although I did still lotion up the nips last night before bed and this morning. but at peak itchiness it was waking me up in the middle of the night to scratch it

I always start cutting when I hit 187 ish and I usually cut down to 176 ish (I remember because when the scale said 177.6 I deemed it the most american weight LOLOLOL).

so I simply do not recognize the man in the mirror at the moment haha. even today at the gym I'm like who the **** is this guy. My shoulders, pecs, arms, everything is just so much bigger than I'm used to. Looks awesome when my shirt is on and my wife seems to like it 😅😅

also I'd never cheat on my wife but in the past few months it's crazy the looks and comments I'm getting from random women that am 100% not used to.
 
right now my back, legs knees, elbows, shoulders everything feels phenomenal. the only injury i'm nursing is a stiff neck I've had since last monday and a spot right under my clavicle where I circled on this picture that I strained when I did the 1rm deadlift at 465 a week or two ago. When I'm exerting heavily and take a deep breath it hurts, but if I push on it with my finger it doesn't hurt (LOL)

I have 3 rest days in front of me so hoping to just let this one heal on it's own like every other sore spot did. I have no idea how to prehab or rehab such an acute location.

slabbed on my UH today at 9:30 and did end up spreading it more on the biceps and arms just to find places to rub it all in. about a half hour later when that "spacieness" hit me it was more euphoric but I felt the euphoria in my biceps lol. I still think it's me reacting to it all. it's not unpleasant, just weird and lasts about a half hour. my focus, aggression, and commitment in the gym this week have been through the roof.

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I hope the rest leads to recovery !
 
Rocket3015 said:
I hope the rest leads to recovery !
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dude I'm so happy right now and I don't even know why 😅
running a manufacturing business in the middle of a recession, in the pnw where the weather has been dark and under 40F for 6 months. all I can figure is maybe I really do respond to the compounds in these TDs positively? we have had sun yesterday and today and my desire for 70s rock with the windows down has been through the roof. I feel like I'm 16 again cruising down the road lately 😅
 
Sounds legit, and yeah the women seem to respond to a thick bear of a guy pretty well. You have a lot of them who like the 165lb 6 pack look, but a lot more that like the I will wrestle a silverback to protect you kind of frame. Seem the ones who like that look are also a little more aggressive in nature so you get a lot of compliments.

I remember during my BB show prep I looked amazing with my shirt off. Like bad ass, but I was also like 183 @ 5ish% so in my shirt I just looked like I like to exercise. I got less looks in clothing then, but shocked people with my shirt off. When I finished the show and ate for a couple weeks and was at a relatively lean 192-195 the women all started complimenting me and telling me I looked better with the weight on.
 
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