Tongkat and Prolactin

[panico.pt]

I've been taking KSM-66 solo at just one 600mg cap a day and blood test showed Testosterone levels go from low normal to the high normal range. As a guy in his late 50s I was quite pleased. I've recently ordered a bottle of Tongkat Ali XT but I'm not sure if I want to stack or run it solo for a while. Admittedly I'm curious as to what kind of boost is possible by stacking the two.

I'm currently stacking both, unfortunately in Portugal we don't have access to SNS products but I'm stacking tongkat with Ksm66 and I've done it with shoden too. In my case, I take tongkat during the day with meals and ksm66 before bed. Especially in terms of libido, it was very noticeable for me, especially in the first few days. And just for the record 47 springs here, but I'm new.

 

[sns8778]

I'm currently stacking both, unfortunately in Portugal we don't have access to SNS products but I'm stacking tongkat with Ksm66 and I've done it with shoden too. In my case, I take tongkat during the day with meals and ksm66 before bed. Especially in terms of libido, it was very noticeable for me, especially in the first few days. And just for the record 47 springs here, but I'm new.

We have several regular customers in Portugal that we ship to on a regular basis.

I think Unreal Supps in the UK may ship there and they carry a lot of SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & Xtreme Performance Gels products. I’m not 100% sure they do, but I think so. They’re super nice so I’m sure they’d be glad to reply if you email them thru their site.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

I'm currently stacking both, unfortunately in Portugal we don't have access to SNS products but I'm stacking tongkat with Ksm66 and I've done it with shoden too. In my case, I take tongkat during the day with meals and ksm66 before bed. Especially in terms of libido, it was very noticeable for me, especially in the first few days. And just for the record 47 springs here, but I'm new.

I like the idea of Tongkat Ali during the day and KSM at night.

 

[sns8778]

I like the idea of Tongkat Ali during the day and KSM at night.

I think that's a good layout.

We have several quite a few people doing Tongkat Ali XT or Optimize-T during the day and our KSM-66 at night.

 

[DR.D]

It's interesting that you are seeing estrogen sides from TA, especially as the one you are taking is an extract for eurycomanone, which has shown anti-estrogen capability. The 10% they sell is being reported to be "crashing" estro in people, so not sure what may be happening.

I got itchy, painful nips with Tongkat on 2 different occasions. I was taking 200mg/d of LJ-100 extract for less than a week when it started. The pain was worse than any side-effects I've ever gotten on any other gear of any kind, ever, by a long shot. The point being that this affect on the nipple is a well-known, predictable side-effect in some cases, so you'd be in error to discount Progressive's report as some mysterious anomaly.

Also, it's not estrogenic per say, at least not as it related to nipples. I used 40mg/d Tamoxifen (a well-established ERa antagonist, as I'm sure you are aware) for 2 weeks and that should have done the trick, if the problem were estrogenic. However, it didn't help at all, not even a little bit.

The problem is prolactin related. I say it's prolactemic because I was only able to clear it up when I finally started using low-dose Pergolide, a dopaminergic agonist, which yielded a distinct resolution of the inflammation (and subsequent pain) on both occasions.

 

[Dustin07]

Anecdotally I've seen a lot of people say they developed gyno from tongkat. It can definitely raise prolactin in certain individuals.

I am literally sitting in the hospital waiting for a mammogram (believe it or not) due to developing a small pea sized lump last November after using two test boosters back to back that both contained tongkat Ali. Itchy and overly sensitive nipples for a few days and a lump developed within a week. I ran tamox but didn't go away although sensitivity has pretty much gone. Doctor needs to check it isn't a tumor so here I am...

I got itchy, painful nips with Tongkat on 2 different occasions. I was taking 200mg/d of LJ-100 extract for less than a week when it started.

That's crazy. I developed the itch pretty bad from Feb - June and I associated that with dermacrine and ultra hard. 2 days after dosing XPG Alpha Gel (tongkat) it was gone and never came back.

 

[sns8778]

That's crazy. I developed the itch pretty bad from Feb - June and I associated that with dermacrine and ultra hard. 2 days after dosing XPG Alpha Gel (tongkat) it was gone and never came back.

This is an older thread, and the subject matter wouldn't apply to the type of Tongkat used in Alpha Gel.

Issues like that are a lot more common with the fly by night brands that use who knows what type of raw materials, and some people say that they had this experience with LJ100. The issue there is that there are a lot of brands that claim to use LJ100 that don't really use LJ100 and are lying about it.

That's why I emphasize to people a lot of times to quality is so important - in brands and in raw materials.