SkRaw85
Legend
Hope you got his number. No homo.
Hyde’s Strength Odyssey
- Thread starter Hyde
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Hope you got his number. No homo.
Rocket3015
Legend
tyga tyga
Legend
Kind people still exist! That’s awesome man. Sounds like everything is firing on all cylinders!
Hyde
Legend
Yeah that’s actually how we met up, met him last week on a Wednesday. He could incline 275 for a couple reps so I knew he was a real one
. We’re going to train again Wednesday and see if we can link our training up since he normally follows a Westside split too.His best meet lifts are 716 in wraps, 424, and 677 at 220, and he’s benched 475 & squat 750 in the gym. He told me his anabolic stack when he squat the 716 was 210 test & 140 NPP per week, split into daily shots, with some Proviron
Rocket3015
Legend
Sounds like you two can help to motivate one another !!Yeah that’s actually how we met up, met him last week on a Wednesday. He could incline 275 for a couple reps so I knew he was a real one. We’re going to train again Wednesday and see if we can link our training up since he normally follows a Westside split too.
His best meet lifts are 716 in wraps, 424, and 677 at 220, and he’s benched 475 & squat 750 in the gym. He told me his anabolic stack when he squat the 716 was 210 test & 140 NPP per week, split into daily shots, with some Proviron
Hyde
Legend
That’s awesome! Good job. It gets a little easier the more you do it, and if you can get even one day off food completely each week it really helps to continue leaning out.
I’m really hoping. He basically suggested it, and I have been wanting a training partner again since my son was born & I had to stop training with my wife.
Hyde
Legend
1/9/23
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
One-leg Deadlift
Bird Dogs
Side Plank
Squat, Duffalo bar
55 2x5
105x5
145,195,235,285,335x3
375 3x3, 1x7
Hacksquat (much harder one)
90,180,270x10
Lying Leg Curl
90x12
115x8
100 2x8
Elbow Flexion stretching
I expected a great leg day after plenty of carbs last night, but it just wasn’t there today. For how strong & explosive I felt on speed bench yesterday, I don’t think I could have did a 2ft box jump this morning. Moving like cold molasses even while sweaty, knees were dry & popping, everything just felt heavy. I planned to do 3x5 with 405 but scaled it to 5x3 at 375, and swapped frontsquats to sumo hacks for my achey knees (which still hurt, believe me!).
I think now that I’m leaner than last cruise, I’m not aromatizing as much and probably can’t tolerate as much masteron. 180/120 is just not working right now. 120/100/100 test/NPP/mast was too wet, so I need to find some kind of balance.
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
One-leg Deadlift
Bird Dogs
Side Plank
Squat, Duffalo bar
55 2x5
105x5
145,195,235,285,335x3
375 3x3, 1x7
Hacksquat (much harder one)
90,180,270x10
Lying Leg Curl
90x12
115x8
100 2x8
Elbow Flexion stretching
I expected a great leg day after plenty of carbs last night, but it just wasn’t there today. For how strong & explosive I felt on speed bench yesterday, I don’t think I could have did a 2ft box jump this morning. Moving like cold molasses even while sweaty, knees were dry & popping, everything just felt heavy. I planned to do 3x5 with 405 but scaled it to 5x3 at 375, and swapped frontsquats to sumo hacks for my achey knees (which still hurt, believe me!).
I think now that I’m leaner than last cruise, I’m not aromatizing as much and probably can’t tolerate as much masteron. 180/120 is just not working right now. 120/100/100 test/NPP/mast was too wet, so I need to find some kind of balance.
MrKleen73
Legend
Maybe just a little less NPP and see how it treats you, or like @Rocket3015 said 50mg of Deca Nandrolone a week?
Hyde
Legend
Yeah I am going to give it a day but am thinking I will likely add the deca and trim the test/mast next week. It’s a revolving thing. I’m not really in a hurry to jump on a big blast so I just want my cruise to support good training recovery for now.
Rocket3015
Legend
I'm pretty sure you are smart enough to figure it out!
Dustin07
Legend
always a pleasant surprise. it's about the only way I measure my fatness anymore lol.
Rocket3015
Legend
Nice work Slim !
Hyde
Legend
I took 50mg DHEA last night (a long with my 1iu GH) and today my knees and joints feel much less dry, way better, so I’m certain it’s just an estrogen discrepancy. While I know nandrolone will greatly increase aromatization and fix that, I think I can get away without the extra joint padding based on this if I tweak test/mast.
I think next week I’m going to switch to 210/100. I’m hoping with that and some spot dosing of DHEA & Preg I’ll get things feeling good!
Definitely shows you the truth! I do get some variation depending on PEDs and the water retention they can cause as well on cycles, but between the mirror and the belt you really have all the answers you’ll ever need.
Hyde
Legend
Good to hear on the joints feeling better. That is always a plus and that extra test should help in more ways than one.
Yeah per mg it’s going to help a bit more than masteron. Looking to be cruising at 300-320mg for now (previously 250 tops pre surgery) since I’m essentially out of health recovery from last meet and don’t really need to increase my size or start a prep for anything serious right now.
I just want to train consistently and get stronger overall!
MrKleen73
Legend
I need to order some masteron myself for when I start to cruise but I am going to just lower test to about 120 until I get my bloodwork done to make sure it looks good for the Dr at my physical then will start my cruise after that and just check about 2 months into cruising with private lab bloodwork.
RegisterJr
Legend
A fixed elbow and now jacked and tan. Very nice.
SkRaw85
Legend
A little bit of dhea and preg seems to go a long ways
Hyde
Legend
1/11/23
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
Band Warmups
CG Floorpress
45 2x5
135,185,225x3
255,275,295,315x1 PR
330 MISS, needed help midway up
Mid Grip 2-Board Bench
vs 40 chain
135,225x10
245x7,8,6+1 assisted
Chin-ups
5,9,8,8
DB Rolling Ext
20x15
30 3x15
ss w/ Hammercurls (tempo)
20 4x10
DB Rear Delt Flyes
20 2x20
ss w/ Band Tri Pressdown
2x50
Military Press
45x10
Trained this morning with the 220 guy who scraped my arm; we agreed doing Max Effort together would probably be best way for us to start rebuilding (he just had his first child 6 months ago, so new dad life). I have never maxed Floorpress with a true closegrip (touching smooth) because I haven’t been able to use that grip in several years, so anything was a PR.
He also likes to stay at a very fast pace on the heavy work, which may not be the best for maximal numbers, but I think will overall translate to getting more accessory work done.
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
Band Warmups
CG Floorpress
45 2x5
135,185,225x3
255,275,295,315x1 PR
330 MISS, needed help midway up
Mid Grip 2-Board Bench
vs 40 chain
135,225x10
245x7,8,6+1 assisted
Chin-ups
5,9,8,8
DB Rolling Ext
20x15
30 3x15
ss w/ Hammercurls (tempo)
20 4x10
DB Rear Delt Flyes
20 2x20
ss w/ Band Tri Pressdown
2x50
Military Press
45x10
Trained this morning with the 220 guy who scraped my arm; we agreed doing Max Effort together would probably be best way for us to start rebuilding (he just had his first child 6 months ago, so new dad life). I have never maxed Floorpress with a true closegrip (touching smooth) because I haven’t been able to use that grip in several years, so anything was a PR.
He also likes to stay at a very fast pace on the heavy work, which may not be the best for maximal numbers, but I think will overall translate to getting more accessory work done.
Rocket3015
Legend
It sounds like the new training partner has made lifting a little more exciting for you!
Hyde
Legend
I don’t like not having total control of my programming, but I also understand the more I can share or even hand over control to someone stronger the more likely I am to improve qualities my own training has neglected in various capacities.
Well Louie always says that in his conjugate method, the Max Effort work should only represent about 20% of the volume - 80% should be your primary builder and following accessories, so you don’t want to spend forever on it. When HerderDude went to train for a day at Westside, he told me he was amazed how quickly the guys worked up to their top single - 20-30 minutes. I try to think about that a lot. When I trained at Matt Wenning’s gym it was probably 30-40 but we had a bigger rotation of guys, at least 6.
SkRaw85
Legend
Seems like a fine line, the faster you get to a new heavy single the more energy you have, but perhaps more chance of being cold and provoking an injury.
Dustin07
Legend
man it sure its a fine line. I'm guilty of too many warm up sets often, at which point I risk gassing myself before I go for the heavy singles.
Hyde
Legend
Yeah you have to frame the context too. We’re just getting back into things so the lower our baseline, better chance to progress later. Better to just work hard for now. But when you are actually attempting to break relevant PRs or getting to the end of a prep, you should take the time you need to execute to your fullest ability.
Hyde
Legend
1/13/23
BW 232.2
6 min walk
Back Extension
25 2x20
Single Leg Deadlift
Side Plank
Conventional, 2” blocks powerbar
45,135,225,315,365x3
+belt
415,465x3
515x2
+straps
465x5
Snatchgrip 3” Blockpulls
335 3x8
BB Rows
245 2x12
BB GM, beltless
45x15
135 2x15, 1x20
One-Arm DB Row
50,80,105x6
+straps & belt
120x20
GHR
3x15
Suitcase Carry
53x1 short trip
65x1 long trip
And it barely took 2 hours & 45 minutes too…
BW 232.2
6 min walk
Back Extension
25 2x20
Single Leg Deadlift
Side Plank
Conventional, 2” blocks powerbar
45,135,225,315,365x3
+belt
415,465x3
515x2
+straps
465x5
Snatchgrip 3” Blockpulls
335 3x8
BB Rows
245 2x12
BB GM, beltless
45x15
135 2x15, 1x20
One-Arm DB Row
50,80,105x6
+straps & belt
120x20
GHR
3x15
Suitcase Carry
53x1 short trip
65x1 long trip
And it barely took 2 hours & 45 minutes too…
gphagan1
Legend
A lot of weight moved in that 2 hrs. & 45 min.
Rocket3015
Legend
An almost 3 hour workout might kill an old man like me. Nice Job !!
Rocket3015
Legend
How many grams of protein do you shoot for a day ?
Dustin07
Legend
Snatch grip is coincidentally Trump's favorite variation as well.1/13/23
BW 232.2
6 min walk
Back Extension
25 2x20
Single Leg Deadlift
Side Plank
Conventional, 2” blocks powerbar
45,135,225,315,365x3
+belt
415,465x3
515x2
+straps
465x5
Snatchgrip 3” Blockpulls
335 3x8
BB Rows
245 2x12
BB GM, beltless
45x15
135 2x15, 1x20
One-Arm DB Row
50,80,105x6
+straps & belt
120x20
GHR
3x15
Suitcase Carry
53x1 short trip
65x1 long trip
And it barely took 2 hours & 45 minutes too…
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Too political ?
Segansational
Well-known member
Happy birthday to the little guy!!
Hyde
Legend
Thanks guys; had a great big party with all our family coming in from out of town yesterday for him. Really great getting everyone together.
Bodyweight in a deficit, 200+ on maintenance, in a surplus it doesn’t matter because needs because comically low when cals & carbs are elevated.
Although if I am eating in a smaller window for the day and at a deficit I generally can only practically consume so much protein. It’s not as useful to jam 230g of protein into only 5-6 hours for example over, say, 160.
lol I see what you did there!
Bodyweight in a deficit, 200+ on maintenance, in a surplus it doesn’t matter because needs because comically low when cals & carbs are elevated.
Although if I am eating in a smaller window for the day and at a deficit I generally can only practically consume so much protein. It’s not as useful to jam 230g of protein into only 5-6 hours for example over, say, 160.
Snatch grip is coincidentally Trump's favorite variation as well.
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Too political ?
lol I see what you did there!
Hyde
Legend
1/15/23
BW 231.0
6 min walk
Rope Cable Facepulls ss w/ Tri Ext
27.5 2x25/each
Strictpress
45 2x10
65,85x10
105 2-3x10
Incline Bench
45 2x10
65x10
95,115,135,155 2x10 each
DB Lateral Dropset
25x30 -> 15x20
Grabbed this one at the commercial gym last night after a big family party for my son, THEN another bday party for his daycare provider’s son. So it was late & I was hungry and spent, but it was great to begin loading strictpress & incline bench again after so long.
Overhead there is still some pretty bad compensatory body positioning at the bottom (left scap stays more tucked to make up for insufficient flexion in the rack position) but I don’t know how much better things will get and nothing hurts so
BW 231.0
6 min walk
Rope Cable Facepulls ss w/ Tri Ext
27.5 2x25/each
Strictpress
45 2x10
65,85x10
105 2-3x10
Incline Bench
45 2x10
65x10
95,115,135,155 2x10 each
DB Lateral Dropset
25x30 -> 15x20
Grabbed this one at the commercial gym last night after a big family party for my son, THEN another bday party for his daycare provider’s son. So it was late & I was hungry and spent, but it was great to begin loading strictpress & incline bench again after so long.
Overhead there is still some pretty bad compensatory body positioning at the bottom (left scap stays more tucked to make up for insufficient flexion in the rack position) but I don’t know how much better things will get and nothing hurts so
Hyde
Legend
1/16/23
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
alt w/ Beltsquat
90 2x20
Pulldowns
40,80,120,160x10
Squat, Duffalo bar
55x5
+minibands
55,145,235,285x3
325 7x3 short rests
375x3
+belt
425x3
14” Boxsquat, Giant Cambered bar, beltless
85,175x5
265 3x5
Reverse Hyper
270x15
315 2x12
360x12
Lying Leg Raise w/ Curl-Up
2x20
Squats were feeling much better than last week & moving well. Giant Camber bar is really tough on boxsquats - it wants to swing and tip you over when you try to come forward off the box. Reverse Hyper is getting stronger and also feeling better!
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
alt w/ Beltsquat
90 2x20
Pulldowns
40,80,120,160x10
Squat, Duffalo bar
55x5
+minibands
55,145,235,285x3
325 7x3 short rests
375x3
+belt
425x3
14” Boxsquat, Giant Cambered bar, beltless
85,175x5
265 3x5
Reverse Hyper
270x15
315 2x12
360x12
Lying Leg Raise w/ Curl-Up
2x20
Squats were feeling much better than last week & moving well. Giant Camber bar is really tough on boxsquats - it wants to swing and tip you over when you try to come forward off the box. Reverse Hyper is getting stronger and also feeling better!
SkRaw85
Legend
Happy belated!
SkRaw85
Legend
Snatch grip is coincidentally Trump's favorite variation as well.
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Too political ?
It’s all locker room talk.
Dustin07
Legend
I recall Layne Norton doing his doctorate thesis on protein synthesis and concluding that 4hr intervals coupled with Leucine was the most effective input at I think 40g on average. That's always been on my mind, but when you're trying to get 200g+ in via an 8hr window what are your thoughts on just pounding a 2 serving shaker of protein after dinner to get those last extra 40-60g in? lately I've been using powdered peanut butter + choco protein after dinner to get an extra serving in.
Of course in my opinion Layne is always very practical as well, I don't recall him condoning waking up every 4hrs for protein and I seem to recall him being opposed to fasted cardio, etc.
Your locker room sounds better than mine. TBH I generally want to throw on dark glasses and go full Ray Charles in mine.
MrKleen73
Legend
Exercise increases protein synthesis for 24-48 hours, so you are still getting PS stimulated. On top of that you are still increasing nitrogen retention so while not timing protein for optimal PS you are still going to get what you need. I have definitely put on muscle while dropping body fat using the 16/8 feeding window, it allows 3 of the 4 waking opportunities for synthesis if you eat protein at fast breaking, protein at mid point, and protein at the end of the fast. So not missing out on too much there. If really stressed a 5-10g amino dose mid fast can be added, but I really don't see the need myself. I used to do it and didn't see any noticeable fall off on progress when I stopped.
However on my Build days I will often go to a 4-5 meal a day plan and start eating earlier, then fast longer the following day. Nothing wrong with doing this if you don't mind the circadian rhythm being a little off so that sometimes you get hungry due to ghrelin release a little earlier on the following fasting day. I have gotten to the point I know the ghrelin spike is only temporary and that intense hunger fades in 15-30 minutes. Something that doesn't bother me too much when it happens and doesn't happen to often with me since i am so used to fasting now.
However on my Build days I will often go to a 4-5 meal a day plan and start eating earlier, then fast longer the following day. Nothing wrong with doing this if you don't mind the circadian rhythm being a little off so that sometimes you get hungry due to ghrelin release a little earlier on the following fasting day. I have gotten to the point I know the ghrelin spike is only temporary and that intense hunger fades in 15-30 minutes. Something that doesn't bother me too much when it happens and doesn't happen to often with me since i am so used to fasting now.
Hyde
Legend
^This is my mindset.
I also don’t do IF every day. For instance, I do on Sunday because that workout is least important and also floats based on family things. Monday & Wednesday I am taking in nutrition by 5am and between hunger they generate and need for recovery from squat & bench, I usually will eat until 7pm at least. I also need to be ready for Thursday night, and I fast for that until probably 2-3pm that day.
Tuesdays I fast until a late dinner ideally to prep me for early Wednesday morning training.
Friday and Saturday are days I can generally potentially skip eating if I don’t have a good reason to. Or if I need the recovery, Friday I might eat low cal and 16/8 to get in protein to repair from Thursday night. Last 2 weeks training has been brutal.
Dustin07
Legend
It's been a blast tweaking the nutritional approach and experimenting with new things since you guys introduced me to IF from a strength perspective. After only a couple weeks of experimenting with IF, I now feel stronger going into a workout properly timed with IF than I do if I'm eating all day long the same amount of calories. the variation I have applied, which I think sorta matches what you guys are saying, is that I've been allowing 14/10 on days where I train midday (lunch hour type), and 16/8 on rest days.
If I can find more opportunities and really dial in the science my mind is still blown by the success of a single fasting day last friday. Yes, Saturday my bench was a tiny bit down, but I could see doing a full day fast Friday then hitting that same bench day on Sunday instead. Fasting is definitely leaning me out with incredibly minor strength / size loss and the eating is more focused, which I appreciate because I love a "food is fuel" approach 90% of the time.
If I can find more opportunities and really dial in the science my mind is still blown by the success of a single fasting day last friday. Yes, Saturday my bench was a tiny bit down, but I could see doing a full day fast Friday then hitting that same bench day on Sunday instead. Fasting is definitely leaning me out with incredibly minor strength / size loss and the eating is more focused, which I appreciate because I love a "food is fuel" approach 90% of the time.
Hyde
Legend
1/18/23
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
Band Pullaparts, Extensions, Dislocations
Lat Pulldown
100,140x12
160x8
Mid Grip Swissbar Bench
45x10
135x5
185,225x3
255,275,295,315,320x1
330 MISS
CG 2-Board Bench
vs 40 chain
225x10
255x8,7,5,5 short rests
Chin-ups
8,10,10,8
DB Bench
60x25
70x20
DB Rollback Extensions
30,40x20
50x14
Band Tri Extensions
4x25
ss w/ DB Rear Delt Flyes
30 3x12
320 isn’t a PR, but it’s definitely progress from 300ish a couple months back. It was also really strong so I was very confident in 330, but I didn’t have the strength to make the transition around the 2-board range where my triceps are beginning to really take over. Secondary bench exercise & chin-ups were both up from last week
Reverse Hyper
180 2x20
Band Pullaparts, Extensions, Dislocations
Lat Pulldown
100,140x12
160x8
Mid Grip Swissbar Bench
45x10
135x5
185,225x3
255,275,295,315,320x1
330 MISS
CG 2-Board Bench
vs 40 chain
225x10
255x8,7,5,5 short rests
Chin-ups
8,10,10,8
DB Bench
60x25
70x20
DB Rollback Extensions
30,40x20
50x14
Band Tri Extensions
4x25
ss w/ DB Rear Delt Flyes
30 3x12
320 isn’t a PR, but it’s definitely progress from 300ish a couple months back. It was also really strong so I was very confident in 330, but I didn’t have the strength to make the transition around the 2-board range where my triceps are beginning to really take over. Secondary bench exercise & chin-ups were both up from last week
