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Training log revamp ROUND 3 lol

I also don't wanna just start hammering a bunch of new stuff into the picture so I won't be adding any supplements outside of increasing certain things I'm already taking. Now after I get bloodwork if I have significantly elevated cortisol or whatever markers are linked to that IL add stuff. Aet 50 is something I've been looking at too
 
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Doesn't look like much but it's 2 apples, 1/2 cup pineapple chunk, 10oz frozen mix, 2ish cups of kale, a small drumstick and breast
That was actually pretty easy to get down, 590cal and 42gm protein with a lot of micronutrients
 
So I apologize for being so scattered all over the place right now but I had some extra time on my hands today and I been researching random stuff. I wanna preface this by saying that my question is not being asked for myself, I have no intention on experimenting with this, it's all just thoughts and research based.

What made me think of this is I feel kinda hypo from time to time since I Bern feeling crappy but I've checked my meter a few times and I'm not.

So it got me thinking, if Mk677 is notorious for jacking up peoples blood sugar, would it be beneficial for ppl who regularly go hypo from a medical condition?

Like maybe someone with crohns disease or whatever? Can't find the right medical studies to come to a educated guess of a conclusion
 
So I apologize for being so scattered all over the place right now but I had some extra time on my hands today and I been researching random stuff. I wanna preface this by saying that my question is not being asked for myself, I have no intention on experimenting with this, it's all just thoughts and research based.

What made me think of this is I feel kinda hypo from time to time since I Bern feeling crappy but I've checked my meter a few times and I'm not.

So it got me thinking, if Mk677 is notorious for jacking up peoples blood sugar, would it be beneficial for ppl who regularly go hypo from a medical condition?

Like maybe someone with crohns disease or whatever? Can't find the right medical studies to come to a educated guess of a conclusion
Interesting question. One that probably has not been studied but I will say this. MK677 raises blood glucose almost always. So if some were to take it that has a condition that makes them go hypoglycemic, it literally only has the possibility of helping. It will either help or do nothing. It definitely won’t make it worse as I can’t see anything that would indicate that.
 
Interesting question. One that probably has not been studied but I will say this. MK677 raises blood glucose almost always. So if some were to take it that has a condition that makes them go hypoglycemic, it literally only has the possibility of helping. It will either help or do nothing. It definitely won’t make it worse as I can’t see anything that would indicate that.
I was thinking the same, I can't see anything that would indicate the possibility of a negative outcome
 
Damn bro yea it's gonna have to be shakes till you get a Dr's appointment and bloodwork. Hopefully your doctor won't be one of the old school guys and just blame everything on the gear and your edibles. Oh ****...when was the last time you ate one? I've done most every hard drug with enjoyment but have only smoked weed maybe 5 times in my whole life. 3 day crystal meth run...no problem..1 hit of weed instant paranoia hiding in my closet
 
Damn bro yea it's gonna have to be shakes till you get a Dr's appointment and bloodwork. Hopefully your doctor won't be one of the old school guys and just blame everything on the gear and your edibles. Oh ****...when was the last time you ate one? I've done most every hard drug with enjoyment but have only smoked weed maybe 5 times in my whole life. 3 day crystal meth run...no problem..1 hit of weed instant paranoia hiding in my closet
No edibles in at least a week, there's definitely no link between that. I've used thc on and off for years. I don't smoke it, only eat it in smallish amounts. 10-20mg tops. I also wouldn't even mention gear use unless it's a dr. I know understands how it works. But I'm ruling out gear because I'm not on gear, just trt, 150mg test e. Cycle has been over for 3 months
 
Not sure of all your symptoms, but I know nausea, loss of appetite, and energy. You may want to see a Gastroenterologist, just in case it’s something to do with your digestive track. I was experiencing similar symptoms it seemed out of nowhere, and my Doctor suggested a Gastroenterologist to get checked out, because I started getting gradually worse. With me I had a gastric ulcer that had caused a lot of inflammation, and basically just got into my system basically making me sick as a dog. I do believe in my case that some of the orals I had taken over the previous years may have been part of the issue. One thing for sure, it is hard to accomplish much of anything when you’re nauseous.
 
Not sure of all your symptoms, but I know nausea, loss of appetite, and energy. You may want to see a Gastroenterologist, just in case it’s something to do with your digestive track. I was experiencing similar symptoms it seemed out of nowhere, and my Doctor suggested a Gastroenterologist to get checked out, because I started getting gradually worse. With me I had a gastric ulcer that had caused a lot of inflammation, and basically just got into my system basically making me sick as a dog. I do believe in my case that some of the orals I had taken over the previous years may have been part of the issue. One thing for sure, it is hard to accomplish much of anything when you’re nauseous.
That sounds reasonable, were you nauseous all the time or only at night? Im only feeling nauseous at night most of the time, although the loss of appetite seems to be spreading into the day alongside a little bit more nausea.

Just so everyone knows I am planning a Dr. Appointment and bloodwork and whatever else, just bouncing ideas around in the meantime.

2am and wide awake again by the way
 
I also just had the most bugged out dream/nightmare I've had in a long time.

Check this **** out.

I was hanging out with friends and I brought my girlfriend, which she hates my friends in real life.

There's a younger girl there that won't stop flirting with me and she keeps trying to massage me while I'm sitting with my girl.

Now this younger girl turns into a kinda midget or something, shrinks down and starts looking younger and turns kinda crazy like the movie where the woman looks like a young girl and is crazy and tries to kill the wife and kids of a family and that's kinda the direction this went.

She started pooping up everywhere following me, I eventually punted the little bitch like a football and me and my girl escaped and all the sudden my kids where there.

I sent my girl and kids out of the building while I tried to lock the crazy chick in one of the rooms.

As I exit the building I walk into a dark stairwell and my girl and kids are not there but her purse is there, then she shows up and I say where are the kids? She said I sent them to the car. I'm like why would you leave them!? We start walking and in one of the rooms we walk by one of my cats is sitting there. My girl says hi to the cat like it's normal our cat is in some random building and I wake up wondering where my other cat is.

Best I can remember it but it was fukin creepy. I haven't had a nightmare in as long as I can remember
 
I also just had the most bugged out dream/nightmare I've had in a long time.

Check this **** out.

I was hanging out with friends and I brought my girlfriend, which she hates my friends in real life.

There's a younger girl there that won't stop flirting with me and she keeps trying to massage me while I'm sitting with my girl.

Now this younger girl turns into a kinda midget or something, shrinks down and starts looking younger and turns kinda crazy like the movie where the woman looks like a young girl and is crazy and tries to kill the wife and kids of a family and that's kinda the direction this went.

She started pooping up everywhere following me, I eventually punted the little bitch like a football and me and my girl escaped and all the sudden my kids where there.

I sent my girl and kids out of the building while I tried to lock the crazy chick in one of the rooms.

As I exit the building I walk into a dark stairwell and my girl and kids are not there but her purse is there, then she shows up and I say where are the kids? She said I sent them to the car. I'm like why would you leave them!? We start walking and in one of the rooms we walk by one of my cats is sitting there. My girl says hi to the cat like it's normal our cat is in some random building and I wake up wondering where my other cat is.

Best I can remember it but it was fukin creepy. I haven't had a nightmare in as long as I can remember
Sounds like a decent mystery thriller/horror movie, with an erotic flavor.
 
I also just had the most bugged out dream/nightmare I've had in a long time.

Check this **** out.

I was hanging out with friends and I brought my girlfriend, which she hates my friends in real life.

There's a younger girl there that won't stop flirting with me and she keeps trying to massage me while I'm sitting with my girl.

Now this younger girl turns into a kinda midget or something, shrinks down and starts looking younger and turns kinda crazy like the movie where the woman looks like a young girl and is crazy and tries to kill the wife and kids of a family and that's kinda the direction this went.

She started pooping up everywhere following me, I eventually punted the little bitch like a football and me and my girl escaped and all the sudden my kids where there.

I sent my girl and kids out of the building while I tried to lock the crazy chick in one of the rooms.

As I exit the building I walk into a dark stairwell and my girl and kids are not there but her purse is there, then she shows up and I say where are the kids? She said I sent them to the car. I'm like why would you leave them!? We start walking and in one of the rooms we walk by one of my cats is sitting there. My girl says hi to the cat like it's normal our cat is in some random building and I wake up wondering where my other cat is.

Best I can remember it but it was fukin creepy. I haven't had a nightmare in as long as I can remember
Yea bro yiu need to see a gastroenterology doc. When I was bulking years ago I use to have a big meal right before bed cottage cheese on chicken or beef. I remember my grandma always telling me you're going to have bad dreams eating like that. Also nick trigili has talked about his digestive issues for the last few months and it sounds a lot like yours. He posted a pic of his "diet" face and he looked like he'd been on a sick one for a week. But him and his gastro are trying to figure out his stomach problems
 
Yea bro yiu need to see a gastroenterology doc. When I was bulking years ago I use to have a big meal right before bed cottage cheese on chicken or beef. I remember my grandma always telling me you're going to have bad dreams eating like that. Also nick trigili has talked about his digestive issues for the last few months and it sounds a lot like yours. He posted a pic of his "diet" face and he looked like he'd been on a sick one for a week. But him and his gastro are trying to figure out his stomach problems
I'm gonna look into everything, I just sent a email asking the union hall where all my insurance cards are. I have my hours in and my insurance should be activated butvthey haven't sent me nothing still.

but...... im not buying the eating before bed nightmare stuff tho, my aunt says stuff like that, i think its just old wise tales lol. I almost always eat my last meal right before I go to bed. Done it that way for years except when on a strict cut. The whole time I was working that crazy job shift I was falling asleep on the couch eating dinner sometimes lol. If it was for real I'd be having night terrors and **** lol
 
Maybe 10 yards lol. It was very cartoon like the way she flew head over heels. I was just telling my girlfriend about the dream and that part keeps making me Crack up lol

Yeah that made me chuckle. Gotta hand it to those wacky dreams man
 
My normal dreams are much different. I'm one of those ppl that is a shitty sleeper but I can nod off for 5min and have a full dream, but there usually good dreams, I know I'm dreaming and have total control over them. Like say there's a cup I want on the other side of the room, IL put my hand up and the cup will come flying over to me.

This was a definite nightmare and I thought it was real
 
I'm gonna look into everything, I just sent a email asking the union hall where all my insurance cards are. I have my hours in and my insurance should be activated butvthey haven't sent me nothing still.

but...... im not buying the eating before bed nightmare stuff tho, my aunt says stuff like that, i think its just old wise tales lol. I almost always eat my last meal right before I go to bed. Done it that way for years except when on a strict cut. The whole time I was working that crazy job shift I was falling asleep on the couch eating dinner sometimes lol. If it was for real I'd be having night terrors and **** lol
I agree totally an old wives tale I've always eaten before bed I do it now I have too because I train in the evening
 
I agree totally an old wives tale I've always eaten before bed I do it now I have too because I train in the evening
That's the reason I did it for all these years. There's lots of times I can only Work out whether it be boxing or lifting 5-7 or 6-8pm and by the time I get home I only would have like a hour or 2 to shower eat and go to bed.

I'm force feeding myself today just to see if I can keep it down. Picking things that sound appetizing to try to make it better. Rice with kielbasa and eggs for breakfast. Not a particularly large portion and it was rough to finish. My girl made a big thing of not spicy turkey and beef chili so I'm eating that witj rice right now and it's going OK I guess.

Hopefully I can get to the gym this afternoon. Stepped on the scale this morning and was 199lbs so I'm back in lady boy territory lol
 
That sounds reasonable, were you nauseous all the time or only at night? Im only feeling nauseous at night most of the time, although the loss of appetite seems to be spreading into the day alongside a little bit more nausea.

Just so everyone knows I am planning a Dr. Appointment and bloodwork and whatever else, just bouncing ideas around in the meantime.

2am and wide awake again by the way
It started mainly at night and in the evenings, but eventually it got to where it was most of the time. I’m sure I had waited too long before going to the Doctor and that made it worse.
 
Just to throwing out some possibilities, but from what I’ve read on this forum aren’t you normally a pretty physically active blue collar type guy? And recently just took a break from work? I have no scientific reasoning behind this but maybe that change has screwed with your appetite some how.
 
Just to throwing out some possibilities, but from what I’ve read on this forum aren’t you normally a pretty physically active blue collar type guy? And recently just took a break from work? I have no scientific reasoning behind this but maybe that change has screwed with your appetite some how.
Hello Mr Green, before I respond I have to say I'm watching a movie with my niece right now and the main characters are being chased by agent Green lol.

Ok. So ya that's pretty true but and I definitely at first thought it was part of it but thinking back it started the last week of this job I was doing. I'm still working but not as much, I cut back from like 60 hrs to 30 hours doing some less demanding work. That's kinda how it always is for me tho. I go balls to the wall till I start to burn out and then take a step back. Then do it all over again. Not the best way to live a normal life I'm sure lol. I'm sure that me being less active is making me less hungry but most of this lost appetite is because I'm kinda nauseous feeling all the time.

IL be cranking out 10 hour days the rest of this week so we will se if anything changes. Hopefully I can get in and get a check up and some bloodwork in the next few days.

The more I think about it, this is kinda how I use ti feel when I was drinking a lot. Like a mild permanent hangover.

Enough to feel kinda crappy but not enough to stop life.

I will say this tho, the downtime could be making it worse because I'm the type of person that always feels the need to be doing something, but when I'm not doing anything and the more I'm not doing anything the more I don't feel like doing anything if that makes sense
 
I have managed to get all my meals in so far today, meal 4 coming up and I'm still hungry enough to make myself eat.

This feeling is whatvi imagine ppl fell like on oral steroids. I'm not on anything and I don't really get the sides ppl talk about l, but I feel like this feels like what ppl talk about with orals making them Is lethargic and nauseous and loss of appetite.

That's why I'm kinda relating it to a mild hangover. .

Makes me wonder if I'm having some liver issues popping up from abusing things in my late 20s-early 30s
 
Have your doc check you for h. pylori bacteria in your upper digestive tract. My wife had something similar and it progressed to a point she dropped down to 86lbs from a pretty fit 128. It is a bacteria in your lower intestines that can sometimes end up in your upper intestines and or stomach which can not handle it, and tends to get worse. If so it was a 6 week round of antibiotics fixed the problem.

Also it does sound a lot like the way you feel when your liver says time to get off the orals but since you aren't on any then it could be liver related in some other way. Obviously blood work will help figure that one out.
 
Have your doc check you for h. pylori bacteria in your upper digestive tract. My wife had something similar and it progressed to a point she dropped down to 86lbs from a pretty fit 128. It is a bacteria in your lower intestines that can sometimes end up in your upper intestines and or stomach which can not handle it, and tends to get worse. If so it was a 6 week round of antibiotics fixed the problem.

Also it does sound a lot like the way you feel when your liver says time to get off the orals but since you aren't on any then it could be liver related in some other way. Obviously blood work will help figure that one out.
My wife also had some big issues from h pylori as well. Took years for her stomach and intestinal lining to heal up and get back to eating normal foods.
 
Have your doc check you for h. pylori bacteria in your upper digestive tract. My wife had something similar and it progressed to a point she dropped down to 86lbs from a pretty fit 128. It is a bacteria in your lower intestines that can sometimes end up in your upper intestines and or stomach which can not handle it, and tends to get worse. If so it was a 6 week round of antibiotics fixed the problem.

Also it does sound a lot like the way you feel when your liver says time to get off the orals but since you aren't on any then it could be liver related in some other way. Obviously blood work will help figure that one out.
Ya I think at this point we exhausted all the guesses. I just gotta get a appointment and basically say test everything lol. I wrote down like 6 different things mentioned here along with whatvi think and I'm basically gonna ask the doctor do any of these sound like a possibility and see what he says
 
Have your doc check you for h. pylori bacteria in your upper digestive tract. My wife had something similar and it progressed to a point she dropped down to 86lbs from a pretty fit 128. It is a bacteria in your lower intestines that can sometimes end up in your upper intestines and or stomach which can not handle it, and tends to get worse. If so it was a 6 week round of antibiotics fixed the problem.

Also it does sound a lot like the way you feel when your liver says time to get off the orals but since you aren't on any then it could be liver related in some other way. Obviously blood work will help figure that one out.
My wife also had some big issues from h pylori as well. Took years for her stomach and intestinal lining to heal up and get back to eating normal foods.
I'm really hoping this isint it 😆 🤣 😪
 
I was thinking the same, I can't see anything that would indicate the possibility of a negative outcome
I reallyneed to buy a blood glucose monitor because right now I’m on absolutely zero carbs a day (I’m doing a “not a single carb” January). But I also have mk. So it would be interesting to see the effects mk has on blood glucose but with zero exogenous carbs. But also I really don’t want it to still has a big effect and kick me out of ketosis lol 😂
I'm really just hoping that I'm stressed out and depressed and the solution is I just gotta suck it up 😆
if they hit ya with the anxiety depression and try and give you meds, stay away from Lexapro. From experience stuff blows you up like TREST minus the muscle gains
 
I reallyneed to buy a blood glucose monitor because right now I’m on absolutely zero carbs a day (I’m doing a “not a single carb” January). But I also have mk. So it would be interesting to see the effects mk has on blood glucose but with zero exogenous carbs. But also I really don’t want it to still has a big effect and kick me out of ketosis lol 😂

if they hit ya with the anxiety depression and try and give you meds, stay away from Lexapro. From experience stuff blows you up like TREST minus the muscle gains
I don't do those type of medicine, I refuse to take any anxiety or depression medications
 
Whatever the cause is, I hope you get it sorted out quickly!

Finally got caught up on the thread. I've been crazy busy these last few weeks so I've just been lurking and trying to catch back up on all the logs and meme threads. Hopefully life will ease up a bit in the coming weeks so I can pay more attention!

I'm still stayin strong in the gym though, I'll post something in one of my threads if I can later today with more info on all that.

I knew your break wouldn't last long Smont! :D:D
 
I know those things save some people's lives, they also ruin some ppls lives and can have worse sides then the initial problem to begin with. I just have some strong personal beliefs on some things and I very well might be foolish or wrong for it but I'm stubborn as **** sometimes and those are a hard pass for me
 
I know those things save some people's lives, they also ruin some ppls lives and can have worse sides then the initial problem to begin with. I just have some strong personal beliefs on some things and I very well might be foolish or wrong for it but I'm stubborn as **** sometimes and those are a hard pass for me
No you are right. They are awful with the exception of maybe bupropion.
 
I know those things save some people's lives, they also ruin some ppls lives and can have worse sides then the initial problem to begin with. I just have some strong personal beliefs on some things and I very well might be foolish or wrong for it but I'm stubborn as **** sometimes and those are a hard pass for me
Totally understandable. My wife got semi-addicted to them for a while. We had to pull alll of them away except for one at night before bed because she got to anxious about not falling asleep to fall asleep and the lack of sleep was worse than her taking one. So I ended up being the one who kept them and handed them out for the first 6 months after they made that change.
 
No you are right. They are awful with the exception of maybe bupropion.
A lot of it stems from my mom trying to put me on Ritalin as a kid, lasted a few days and I said **** this. Told me dad I don't like it and he trashed it. Then as a teenager I saw my older cousin started taking anxiety and depression meds and it made him act like a emotionless zombie and he seemed to never remember conversations we would have. I also heard a few ppl talk about weird sexual side effects. Basically just way more negative then positive in my book. I'd rather be stressed out and mildly depressed then feel like a emotionless zombie or not want sex or not feel like myself. I like who I am, a little seasonal depression I can handle and I'm sure I can learn to control my anxiety better
 
A lot of it stems from my mom trying to put me on Ritalin as a kid, lasted a few days and I said **** this. Told me dad I don't like it and he trashed it. Then as a teenager I saw my older cousin started taking anxiety and depression meds and it made him act like a emotionless zombie and he seemed to never remember conversations we would have. I also heard a few ppl talk about weird sexual side effects. Basically just way more negative then positive in my book. I'd rather be stressed out and mildly depressed then feel like a emotionless zombie or not want sex or not feel like myself. I like who I am, a little seasonal depression I can handle and I'm sure I can learn to control my anxiety better
I took ritalin one time as a teenager, cause my friend had some; the three of us who were hanging out each took one.

I can still vividly remember that entire evening. I had the most clear, focused mind I've ever experienced in my life. Felt like I could have learned any subject with ease, felt like I could have solved any calculation or puzzle in a snap. We sat there having one of the deepest conversations I'd ever experienced in my youth, and then hours later we went to a beach in the middle of the night and swam out and climbed on some rocks. Easily could have drowned, but we had the time of our lives.

For me, ritalin had a HUGE effect, although admittedly it was just the one time, not a regular thing, so it can definitely make a difference for someone with a brain like the one I have (poor saps :ROFLMAO:).
 
I took ritalin one time as a teenager, cause my friend had some; the three of us who were hanging out each took one.

I can still vividly remember that entire evening. I had the most clear, focused mind I've ever experienced in my life. Felt like I could have learned any subject with ease, felt like I could have solved any calculation or puzzle in a snap. We sat there having one of the deepest conversations I'd ever experienced in my youth, and then hours later we went to a beach in the middle of the night and swam out and climbed on some rocks. Easily could have drowned, but we had the time of our lives.

For me, ritalin had a HUGE effect, although admittedly it was just the one time, not a regular thing, so it can definitely make a difference for someone with a brain like the one I have (poor saps :ROFLMAO:).
For me I was hyper focused. But I was so concentrated that I didn't want to didn't want to do anything. It would probably have been great to study or whatever. But I'm a high energy balls to the wall person and 1 little pill took that away from me. It made me feel like a zombie and that's not who I am. I remember telling my dad at the time it makes me feel like I'm not myself and I just didn't like it.
 
Funny enough, cocaine makes me hyper focused like that but instead of feeling like a zombie I wanna talk about everything and I'm excited to talk about stuff lol. I wish coke wasn't such a shitty drug because I feel like there's lots of positive effects it had for me. But anytime I ever did it the next day was a hangover from hell. I also only have used coke when drunk, never sober so I doubt the effects would be the same. I used Adderall like 3 or 4 times in my 20s and tlit had some positive effects. But it felt so close to cocaine that I knew it was probably not good to use it on a regular basis.

I'm glad I have the ability to try stuff without getting wrapped up in it. Except alcohol. I always overused it and that's why I choose not to touch it at all anymore outside of the alcohol that my exemestane is suspended in lol
 
I took ritalin one time as a teenager, cause my friend had some; the three of us who were hanging out each took one.

I can still vividly remember that entire evening. I had the most clear, focused mind I've ever experienced in my life. Felt like I could have learned any subject with ease, felt like I could have solved any calculation or puzzle in a snap. We sat there having one of the deepest conversations I'd ever experienced in my youth, and then hours later we went to a beach in the middle of the night and swam out and climbed on some rocks. Easily could have drowned, but we had the time of our lives.

For me, ritalin had a HUGE effect, although admittedly it was just the one time, not a regular thing, so it can definitely make a difference for someone with a brain like the one I have (poor saps :ROFLMAO:).
That's how I feel when I take Adderall. When rich piana came out with his nootropic product he said he designed it to make you feel like your on Adderall but without the obvious vasorestriction. I haven't tried it or any other ones. Have you bros? I heard phenibut was like that
 
A lot of it stems from my mom trying to put me on Ritalin as a kid, lasted a few days and I said **** this. Told me dad I don't like it and he trashed it. Then as a teenager I saw my older cousin started taking anxiety and depression meds and it made him act like a emotionless zombie and he seemed to never remember conversations we would have. I also heard a few ppl talk about weird sexual side effects. Basically just way more negative then positive in my book. I'd rather be stressed out and mildly depressed then feel like a emotionless zombie or not want sex or not feel like myself. I like who I am, a little seasonal depression I can handle and I'm sure I can learn to control my anxiety better
Dude my wife was prescribed all that weird **** back on the day and she said the number 1 reason she hated it was because it killed her sex drive. She use to say guys think chicks are crazy anyways so I'd rather be crazy and get laid then be a total zombie.lol. she was always saying funny off the wall stuff like that she said she learned it all in the marines because there was no way she learned to talk like that on the farms of Connecticut lol
 
That's how I feel when I take Adderall. When rich piana came out with his nootropic product he said he designed it to make you feel like your on Adderall but without the obvious vasorestriction. I haven't tried it or any other ones. Have you bros? I heard phenibut was like that
Mike use to make a product called vicane or something like that before I was a rep and it was supposed to feel like a mild mix of vocoder and cocaine. Apparently it had great feedback but I think one of the ingredients either got banned or he couldn't source it anymore. He now has this stuff Invalid Link Removed
It's called aterall and it's supposed to be like Adderall, it's a nootropic blend, some mild Stimson and a modafinal analog but I never tried it.
He also makes mitradopa, now this stuff absolutely worked for me. I couldn’t even take a full serving tho because whatever kind of kratom is in it is potent as ****. When I was sent the samples it said serving size was 4-8 caps and once I got to 6 caps I got sick. But let me explain a little better. At 5-6 caps I felt really good and euphoric and very concentrated. But about 3 hours after taking it I felt sick and even threw up once.

So basically here's the deal, when Mike makes these kind of products they usually work and work really good. Good to the point I don't think anyone with prior drug issues should mess with it.

Now if you are capable (not you In particular, I'm making generalizations) but if your someone caple of using drug like compounds like kratom and similar things then these are awesome products but if not then stay away

I'm very supportive of MA and I try to take being a rep somewhat serious but at the end of the day I don't feel comfortable pushing a product like these on everyone and that's why you guys don't see me advertising as much as the other supplement reps.

I get paid 5% of sales and free products. And I don't want your money or whatever if it means the person is gonna end up relapsing or something. Hopefully Mike dont see this and fire me lol, but if he did I wouldn't care because I have morals. (And by the way I think Mike would agree with me, he's a good dude from what I can tell)

On a average month I bring in like $80 and get 3 free supplements usually from the research chem site. So my rep pay is valued at $230 a month if you count the supplements. That's less then 60 a week. I'm not complaining, I'd do it for just the supplement/chems but my point is 60 a week ain't worth someone getting fucked up
 
Mike use to make a product called vicane or something like that before I was a rep and it was supposed to feel like a mild mix of vocoder and cocaine. Apparently it had great feedback but I think one of the ingredients either got banned or he couldn't source it anymore. He now has this stuff Invalid Link Removed
It's called aterall and it's supposed to be like Adderall, it's a nootropic blend, some mild Stimson and a modafinal analog but I never tried it.
He also makes mitradopa, now this stuff absolutely worked for me. I couldn’t even take a full serving tho because whatever kind of kratom is in it is potent as ****. When I was sent the samples it said serving size was 4-8 caps and once I got to 6 caps I got sick. But let me explain a little better. At 5-6 caps I felt really good and euphoric and very concentrated. But about 3 hours after taking it I felt sick and even threw up once.

So basically here's the deal, when Mike makes these kind of products they usually work and work really good. Good to the point I don't think anyone with prior drug issues should mess with it.

Now if you are capable (not you In particular, I'm making generalizations) but if your someone caple of using drug like compounds like kratom and similar things then these are awesome products but if not then stay away

I'm very supportive of MA and I try to take being a rep somewhat serious but at the end of the day I don't feel comfortable pushing a product like these on everyone and that's why you guys don't see me advertising as much as the other supplement reps.

I get paid 5% of sales and free products. And I don't want your money or whatever if it means the person is gonna end up relapsing or something. Hopefully Mike dont see this and fire me lol, but if he did I wouldn't care because I have morals. (And by the way I think Mike would agree with me, he's a good dude from what I can tell)

On a average month I bring in like $80 and get 3 free supplements usually from the research chem site. So my rep pay is valued at $230 a month if you count the supplements. That's less then 60 a week. I'm not complaining, I'd do it for just the supplement/chems but my point is 60 a week ain't worth someone getting fucked up
I appreciate your honestly bro that's that's I think yiu and would/ do get along so well. We both have/ had the same substance abuse issues in our past and we share the same type of life goals and morals. I'll probably stay away from that stuff, Emily and i tried Kratom one time in Detroit and it did nothing for either of us. I'm still on methadone so I thought maybe that why I didn't feel anything. It's the one reason I'll probably be on it forever, I can't even get loaded on heroin anymore ( I've tried) so it's like it's not even worth going out and trying which has/ is keeping me clean that and the fact I actually have legit gear sources now and honestly this forum as well.
 
I saw the atteral stuff might try that and trigilis nootropic from old school labs, vintage bright, just because I am a fan of him and his channel. I've posted before of of ever hit it big id have vigorous Steve do my nutrition and drug protocols and trigili be my training coach
 
I appreciate your honestly bro that's that's I think yiu and would/ do get along so well. We both have/ had the same substance abuse issues in our past and we share the same type of life goals and morals. I'll probably stay away from that stuff, Emily and i tried Kratom one time in Detroit and it did nothing for either of us. I'm still on methadone so I thought maybe that why I didn't feel anything. It's the one reason I'll probably be on it forever, I can't even get loaded on heroin anymore ( I've tried) so it's like it's not even worth going out and trying which has/ is keeping me clean that and the fact I actually have legit gear sources now and honestly this forum as well.
I'm not really sure how methadone works but that could be why, I've never used those type drugs, I was mostly alcohol, but I would do coke if it was around and I didn't have to see my kids or family that day. Mushrooms were pretty cool but I didn't like how long it lasted and i didn't ppl to see me trippingso that was a no. I have a good friend that is constantly batting with pills, he will snort dope and straight fyntenl too. Scares the **** out of me. But he loves kratom too, the only problem is he can't control that either. He want from 1 serving a day to 1 whole bottle a day in a matter of weeks and it became a instant problem.

The crazy thing for me is I never felt like I wanted or needed drugs or alcohol. Even at my worst I didn't crave a drink ever. I didn't have to because it was involved with everything in my life. I would bartend at night and have 5-6 drinks during my shift, then after we shutdown the restaurant around 11 we went to a bar and drank till 2. Got up at 7 and went to work, after work we all went to the bar in town to play pool. On the nights I didn't bartend I played pool leagues in bars. I was just around it so often it felt normal like ordering a soda.

It's my personality that's most addictive, even now I'm what my Uncle likes to call a dry drunk or a clean addict It's like I always need something to be addicted to and it could be even something perceived as positive Like exercise in nutrition. But I also might end up at the casino for 3 days straight Playing cards and even though I usually do pretty good on the poker table it's not even really about the money, it's just the need to be wrapped up in something
 
I'm not really sure how methadone works but that could be why, I've never used those type drugs, I was mostly alcohol, but I would do coke if it was around and I didn't have to see my kids or family that day. Mushrooms were pretty cool but I didn't like how long it lasted and i didn't ppl to see me trippingso that was a no. I have a good friend that is constantly batting with pills, he will snort dope and straight fyntenl too. Scares the **** out of me. But he loves kratom too, the only problem is he can't control that either. He want from 1 serving a day to 1 whole bottle a day in a matter of weeks and it became a instant problem.

The crazy thing for me is I never felt like I wanted or needed drugs or alcohol. Even at my worst I didn't crave a drink ever. I didn't have to because it was involved with everything in my life. I would bartend at night and have 5-6 drinks during my shift, then after we shutdown the restaurant around 11 we went to a bar and drank till 2. Got up at 7 and went to work, after work we all went to the bar in town to play pool. On the nights I didn't bartend I played pool leagues in bars. I was just around it so often it felt normal like ordering a soda.

It's my personality that's most addictive, even now I'm what my Uncle likes to call a dry drunk or a clean addict It's like I always need something to be addicted to and it could be even something perceived as positive Like exercise in nutrition. But I also might end up at the casino for 3 days straight Playing cards and even though I usually do pretty good on the poker table it's not even really about the money, it's just the need to be wrapped up in something
Yea totally get that, your uncle is right it's like when we can't fix on drugs or in your case alcohol we gave to fix on something. Its like when I do something i have to go balls to the wall with it, I can't half ass anything it's not in my nature
 
Yea totally get that, your uncle is right it's like when we can't fix on drugs or in your case alcohol we gave to fix on something. Its like when I do something i have to go balls to the wall with it, I can't half ass anything it's not in my nature
Yep, at the same time it's also whi I have to be balls to the wall because the more I sit around and do nothing the more I want to do nothing. That might just be the adhd tho lol
 
Got a last min cancelation notice so Dr. Gonna see me in 10min. I don't know anything about this doctor in particular but it's better than nothing so at least it's a start
 
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