Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2022 Edition)

Since we have a pretty good flavor discussion going, I would like to ask everyone to throw out flavor ideas in general that they would like to see for upcoming products.

If all goes well, we hope to be restocked on most flavors of our flavored powder products in January and February and then will launch some new flavors in Focus XT.

Throughout 2023, if all goes well, we have quite a few flavored powder products that we hope to release between SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction. The goal with each new product release will be able to offer it in 2 to 3 flavors to start and we may add additional flavors if the demand grows for the products.

People are also welcome to give me product ideas that they'd like to see us come out with.

Here are some flavors in general that I'm thinking of using in certain thing:
  • Blue Raspberry (Sour)
  • Black Cherry Limeade
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Blackberry Mojito (Sour)
  • Grape Bubblegum
  • Grape Limeade
  • Jawbreaker
  • Key Lime Pie
  • Lemon Lime (Tart/Sour)
  • Peach Rings/Sour Peach Candy
  • Pina Colada
  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Rocket Pop
  • Snow Cone
  • Sour Green Apple
  • Strawberry Mint Tea
  • Tiger's Blood (typically watermelon, strawberry, hint of coconut)
  • Watermelon
  • Watermelon Lime
I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting right off. But I would love to hear everyone's input in general on what they think of some of these flavors and any other suggestions as well.
 
The blackberry mojito, sweet or sour, sounds great.

The strawberry mint tea also sounds really refreshing, like it could be surprisingly good - that one is a really interesting wild card I would love to try some day.

I enjoy sour lime, but also love key lime pie, so whether that was made sweet or sour I’m sure it would be awesome. Bang actually really nailed the sweet version of that flavor.
 
sns8778 said:
I love sour flavors and a sour watermelon would be possible in some of the upcoming flavored powders next year. I know we have plans for sour peach flavors and also sour blue raspberry flavors. For watermelon, we have plans for basic watermelon and watermelon lime.

With Focus XT, since we do plan on a Watermelon &/or Watermelon Lime, I doubt we would do a Sour Watermelon in that, but when we release the other ones, I'll tell everyone a trick of how to make it sour themselves if that's what they prefer.
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I don’t want to steal your trick, but I know vitamin C is pretty good for making things sour. Get some bulk powder and throw it in anything. Citrulline malate is pretty for this as well. I think citric acid would probably be the most efficient, but I haven’t tried that yet.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
I don’t want to steal your trick, but I know vitamin C is pretty good for making things sour. Get some bulk powder and throw it in anything. Citrulline malate is pretty for this as well. I think citric acid would probably be the most efficient, but I haven’t tried that yet.
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If you buy lemon juice at the grocery, a little squeeze of that works terrific.
 
I have been taking a coriander extract standardized for linalool and it has been very effective for relaxing, reducing stress and sleep. I would like to see more options with this ingredient. Either a stand alone product or part of a more comprehensive formula for relaxing.
 
determination said:
I have been taking a coriander extract standardized for linalool and it has been very effective for relaxing, reducing stress and sleep. I would like to see more options with this ingredient. Either a stand alone product or part of a more comprehensive formula for relaxing.
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I was researching linalool and it is very funny that it is found in high amounts in Gelato weed, which is my fiances and my favorite.
 
determination said:
I have been taking a coriander extract standardized for linalool and it has been very effective for relaxing, reducing stress and sleep. I would like to see more options with this ingredient. Either a stand alone product or part of a more comprehensive formula for relaxing.
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Similarly, Silexan lavender oil would be a solid addition to the SNS line

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sns8778 said:
Since we have a pretty good flavor discussion going, I would like to ask everyone to throw out flavor ideas in general that they would like to see for upcoming products.

If all goes well, we hope to be restocked on most flavors of our flavored powder products in January and February and then will launch some new flavors in Focus XT.

Throughout 2023, if all goes well, we have quite a few flavored powder products that we hope to release between SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction. The goal with each new product release will be able to offer it in 2 to 3 flavors to start and we may add additional flavors if the demand grows for the products.

People are also welcome to give me product ideas that they'd like to see us come out with.

Here are some flavors in general that I'm thinking of using in certain thing:
  • Blue Raspberry (Sour)
  • Black Cherry Limeade
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Blackberry Mojito (Sour)
  • Grape Bubblegum
  • Grape Limeade
  • Jawbreaker
  • Key Lime Pie
  • Lemon Lime (Tart/Sour)
  • Peach Rings/Sour Peach Candy
  • Pina Colada
  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Rocket Pop
  • Snow Cone
  • Sour Green Apple
  • Strawberry Mint Tea
  • Tiger's Blood (typically watermelon, strawberry, hint of coconut)
  • Watermelon
  • Watermelon Lime
I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting right off. But I would love to hear everyone's input in general on what they think of some of these flavors and any other suggestions as well.
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All of them sound great except for Pink Grapefruit, not sure how that would sell.
 
determination said:
I have been taking a coriander extract standardized for linalool and it has been very effective for relaxing, reducing stress and sleep. I would like to see more options with this ingredient. Either a stand alone product or part of a more comprehensive formula for relaxing.
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I would be open to it if enough people were interested. It's one that I'm familiar with but that we've never been asked for.
 
aaronuconn said:
Similarly, Silexan lavender oil would be a solid addition to the SNS line

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The reason that you don't see this offered by many brands is that its a liquid so it would require being in a softgel and that limits what else a company could use with it or what formulas it could be included in.
 
Hyde said:
The blackberry mojito, sweet or sour, sounds great.

The strawberry mint tea also sounds really refreshing, like it could be surprisingly good - that one is a really interesting wild card I would love to try some day.

I enjoy sour lime, but also love key lime pie, so whether that was made sweet or sour I’m sure it would be awesome. Bang actually really nailed the sweet version of that flavor.
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I love Blackberry Mojito flavor and I love it with sour mixed in.

One of my favorite sweet treats is Kona Ice and my favorite flavor is Blackberry Mojito and have them put sour on top of it haha.

The upcoming Sleep Assist XT, we had already done flavor samples of it at one cm but we had to change up cm's on flavored powders, and at the original place, the Strawberry Mint Tea was fantastic so I'm hoping that we'll be able to get it tasting as good at the place we're going to be using to run it. We're waiting on flavor samples for it now.

I love Key Lime Pie flavor. Bang did a good job for people that want the sweet version of it but I prefer the sour/tart. I was so excited when Bang did that flavor but after trying it, I can't drink but so many of them without getting tired of it.

Since you mentioned Key Lime Pie, I'll go ahead and confirm that we have a flavored product coming out in Q1 that will be Key Lime Pie flavor but its definitely on the more tart side.
 
rodefeeh said:
All of them sound great except for Pink Grapefruit, not sure how that would sell.
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It's hard to say, but overall its a popular flavor as far as the flavor itself; just haven't seen it used in many supplements.

We did flavor samples of Energized Aminos in a Pink Grapefruit flavor and I loved it.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
I don’t want to steal your trick, but I know vitamin C is pretty good for making things sour. Get some bulk powder and throw it in anything. Citrulline malate is pretty for this as well. I think citric acid would probably be the most efficient, but I haven’t tried that yet.
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Those were the tricks, so not worries at all.

Straight citric acid is tricky to get right so I definitely would suggest Citrulline Malate or Vitamin C Powder.
 
Tunaking14 said:
Pina Colada for sure!
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Thanks. I like Pina Colada flavor too.

We're doing a high stim pre under CEL and that's a flavor that I'm really hoping to get right for that product.
 
Just a thought here, a ton of ideas have been proposed. Would be interested to hear what you're most excited/likely to bring forward @sns8778. Additionally, maybe you put up a poll to get top choices to decide what to move forward with first?
 
Off the top of my head, these sound great. I still have some labels from the old pina colada Focus XT in the black bottles to eventually send in lol that flavor was great.

Grape bubblegum
Peach rings
Pina colada
 
sns8778 said:
I love Key Lime Pie flavor. Bang did a good job for people that want the sweet version of it but I prefer the sour/tart. I was so excited when Bang did that flavor but after trying it, I can't drink but so many of them without getting tired of it.

Since you mentioned Key Lime Pie, I'll go ahead and confirm that we have a flavored product coming out in Q1 that will be Key Lime Pie flavor but its definitely on the more tart side.
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I totally know what you mean about Bang’s sweet version. I am a big sweets guy, but it still is a flavor you can only do so much of; a sour version makes more sense for most supplements that you intend for routine use IMHO. It’s way easy for me to drink lemon every other day at 5:30am preWO than peach, for example.

Is the CEL high-stim pre going to have Y in it? Not sure if you’re ready to leak any info, so no pressure. Just wondering!
 
Segansational said:
Just a thought here, a ton of ideas have been proposed. Would be interested to hear what you're most excited/likely to bring forward @sns8778. Additionally, maybe you put up a poll to get top choices to decide what to move forward with first?
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Thank you.

We have a lot of cool things coming out in 2023 if all goes well, and I think that after some of them, we'll have pretty much every major category in sports nutrition and general health and wellness (condition specific) covered.

I think a poll to see what people would be most looking forward to would be a cool idea, but it wouldn't really work in terms of making decisions off of it as to what to move forward on first because there are so many things involved with coming out with new products. If a company is just going to pick one product from a list or wait to start another product until after that one is out, that type of things work, but if planning on bringing out multiple things and they're in the works at the same time, its almost impossible to say which one will be first because there can be so many things that factor into it - raw material availability, branded ingredient agreements, flavor sampling, lead times on flavors, etc.

I thought about doing a post or a thread or starting the 2023 version of this thread off by talking about what things are in the works and are pretty much definite, what things are maybe's, etc.

The reason that I hadn't already is one of the same reason's that I've been coming on here and posting less and that's that I feel like I get constantly beat to death for ETA's and I'm tired of people making hurtful and hateful remarks over out of stocks. I think that a lot of people overlook that ETA stands for ESTIMATED time of arrival and that estimated is the key word there.

I may try to do a post or thread in the next few days and just specifically say that I'm not going to answer any questions about ETA's on them other than what quarter of next year I would estimate that they would be out.
 
Hyde said:
I totally know what you mean about Bang’s sweet version. I am a big sweets guy, but it still is a flavor you can only do so much of; a sour version makes more sense for most supplements that you intend for routine use IMHO. It’s way easy for me to drink lemon every other day at 5:30am preWO than peach, for example.

Is the CEL high-stim pre going to have Y in it? Not sure if you’re ready to leak any info, so no pressure. Just wondering!
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I absolutely agree - I love sweets but I have a hard time drinking something overly sweet in the same flavor every day.

We do have a peach flavor planned in one or more products but it will be more like a sour peach rings flavor. I'm leaning toward that flavor for a new flavor of Caffeine Free Focus XT bc the flavor samples were fantastic.

I'm leaning toward the CEL high stim having Alpha Yohimbine in it but not regular Yohimbine.

Market wide, most of the best selling compliant stimulant based pre's have Yohimbine or Alpha Yohimbine in them and I think that most people that think they don't like Alpha Yohimbine have never tried legit Alpha Yohimbine and like it once they've tried ours.

What are your thoughts?
 
Brianmc83 said:
I vote for no Y in the CEL high stim but looking forward to hearing more about this
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We will not have Yohimbine in it but most likely will have Alpha Yohimbine in it.

Most of the popular compliant high stim pre's have either Yohimbine or Alpha Yohimbine in them, and I've found that most people that think they don't like Alpha Yohimbine have never tried legit Alpha Yohimbine and love ours when they try it.

As for the product itself, it will be a high stim pre-workout that will provide great pumps but the primary focus will be on it being a fast acting, long lasting high energy pre-workout.

I want to make 3 important distinctions though so that people don't get the wrong ideas:
1) Compliance - the product will only use compliant active ingredients.
2) Clean Energy - the product will focus on clean energy and precise combinations of active ingredients for the best results. It will not be a kitchen sink approach that some companies use just throwing in stims on top of more stims.
3) Responsible & Sane Dosing - the product will be very strong BUT you will never see a product from us that does some of the crazy and outlandish caffeine dosing that you see in some products. The caffeine content will be what I consider high and there will be some very unique caffeine sources in it, but it won't be one of the crazy 600/700 mg. caffeine type things.

I just had a thought and it may be something I consider, in that if we do two flavors, I may do 2 flavors with Alpha Yohimbine and 1 flavor without Alpha Yohimbine for the people that don't want it in there.
 
sns8778 said:
I absolutely agree - I love sweets but I have a hard time drinking something overly sweet in the same flavor every day.

We do have a peach flavor planned in one or more products but it will be more like a sour peach rings flavor. I'm leaning toward that flavor for a new flavor of Caffeine Free Focus XT bc the flavor samples were fantastic.

I'm leaning toward the CEL high stim having Alpha Yohimbine in it but not regular Yohimbine.

Market wide, most of the best selling compliant stimulant based pre's have Yohimbine or Alpha Yohimbine in them and I think that most people that think they don't like Alpha Yohimbine have never tried legit Alpha Yohimbine and like it once they've tried ours.

What are your thoughts?
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Well, C4 Ultimate does well in sales. I’m not sure what else is using it that sells hot, not that that’s a high-stim preWO per se. Most high stim pres I’m aware of with it are not compliant types.

I know I absolutely cannot use even 1mg AY and train productively, any amount of any Y variation is too much (including SNS A-Y). I’m not going to tell you don’t make it just because I can’t use it, but I do think a lot of people skip a lot of pres now that use any Y variants.

I used half a scoop of Vicious Labs Juice Daddy this morning, and I think that was a great high-stim formula (RIP). Something focusing primarily on stimulant, raising choline, nootropic to a lesser extent - ingredients that demand the mind to be present & be able to dig in deep. So there needs to be a euphoric component ideally, not so much a body stimulation (which is how Y feels, and why it’s useful for sexual function).

I almost feel like Y belongs more in a variant of a pump-focused product, or moderate stim, due to the bloodflow component.
 
Hyde said:
Well, C4 Ultimate does well in sales. I’m not sure what else is using it that sells hot, not that that’s a high-stim preWO per se. Most high stim pres I’m aware of with it are not compliant types.

I know I absolutely cannot use even 1mg AY and train productively, any amount of any Y variation is too much (including SNS A-Y). I’m not going to tell you don’t make it just because I can’t use it, but I do think a lot of people skip a lot of pres now that use any Y variants.

I used half a scoop of Vicious Labs Juice Daddy this morning, and I think that was a great high-stim formula (RIP). Something focusing primarily on stimulant, raising choline, nootropic to a lesser extent - ingredients that demand the mind to be present & be able to dig in deep. So there needs to be a euphoric component ideally, not so much a body stimulation (which is how Y feels, and why it’s useful for sexual function).

I almost feel like Y belongs more in a variant of a pump-focused product, or moderate stim, due to the bloodflow component.
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I had thought about if we do use Alpha Yohimbine in the product that we may do one flavor it without it and that way people that don't want it in there have an option.

Super Swole powder will be back out either before or around the same time as the high stim one and will be a great option for people that want to a stimulant free option.

And then I'm thinking of doing more of a premium regular type pre-workout under SNS, CEL, or both that likely wouldn't have any type of Yohimbine in there for people to choose from as well.
 
Hyde said:
Well, C4 Ultimate does well in sales. I’m not sure what else is using it that sells hot, not that that’s a high-stim preWO per se. Most high stim pres I’m aware of with it are not compliant types.

I know I absolutely cannot use even 1mg AY and train productively, any amount of any Y variation is too much (including SNS A-Y). I’m not going to tell you don’t make it just because I can’t use it, but I do think a lot of people skip a lot of pres now that use any Y variants.

I used half a scoop of Vicious Labs Juice Daddy this morning, and I think that was a great high-stim formula (RIP). Something focusing primarily on stimulant, raising choline, nootropic to a lesser extent - ingredients that demand the mind to be present & be able to dig in deep. So there needs to be a euphoric component ideally, not so much a body stimulation (which is how Y feels, and why it’s useful for sexual function).

I almost feel like Y belongs more in a variant of a pump-focused product, or moderate stim, due to the bloodflow component.
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That’s me man. 1g will literally make me nauseous
 
sns8778 said:
I had thought about if we do use Alpha Yohimbine in the product that we may do one flavor it without it and that way people that don't want it in there have an option.

Super Swole powder will be back out either before or around the same time as the high stim one and will be a great option for people that want to a stimulant free option.

And then I'm thinking of doing more of a premium regular type pre-workout under SNS, CEL, or both that likely wouldn't have any type of Yohimbine in there for people to choose from as well.
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If it’s not a huge risk to allocate a single flavor without it, I think that’s a very cool move - you’ll literally be able to see what really sells best. Just don’t pick a flavor like Black Licorice

If it doesn’t sell but the Y version does well, you could discontinue the y-free flavor/version after the first batch.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I tend to just avoid anything with Y or AY in it not because I think it is a bad ingredient but I would rather just add it in on my own as needed. I've avoided a few formulas due to this, but also admit I likely am not the target audience anyways.
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I’m the same way. I hate Y and can handle AY but don’t care to much for it often. I can add it when wanted.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I tend to just avoid anything with Y or AY in it not because I think it is a bad ingredient but I would rather just add it in on my own as needed. I've avoided a few formulas due to this, but also admit I likely am not the target audience anyways.
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Stopstalking2 said:
I’m the same way. I hate Y and can handle AY but don’t care to much for it often. I can add it when wanted.
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I think that we'll likely just start off with one flavor with it and one flavor without it.

It's one of those situations where what we get asked for here is completely different than what we get asked for outside of here sometimes.
 
Hyde said:
If it’s not a huge risk to allocate a single flavor without it, I think that’s a very cool move - you’ll literally be able to see what really sells best. Just don’t pick a flavor like Black Licorice

If it doesn’t sell but the Y version does well, you could discontinue the y-free flavor/version after the first batch.
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No Black Licorice? Okay, okay, red licorice? Haha.

The flavors I'm leaning toward for that project in general are the best 3 out of 5 of:
  • Grape Blue Raspberry
  • Pina Colada
  • Rainbow Unicorn
  • Sour Peach Rings
  • Jawbreaker
Out of those, I probably wouldn't do Pina Colada as the Alpha Yohimbine free one bc that's a flavor that some people love but some people hate anyway.
 
sns8778 said:
No Black Licorice? Okay, okay, red licorice? Haha.

The flavors I'm leaning toward for that project in general are the best 3 out of 5 of:
  • Grape Blue Raspberry
  • Pina Colada
  • Rainbow Unicorn
  • Sour Peach Rings
  • Jawbreaker
Out of those, I probably wouldn't do Pina Colada as the Alpha Yohimbine free one bc that's a flavor that some people love but some people hate anyway.
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Well, I was hoping for red licorice & sauerkraut, but I guess I’d settle. Can’t have everything perfect.

I’ll just add my own sauerkraut.
 
Longevity stack

Nmn -Nicotinamide mononucleotide 250 mg
NR -nicotinamide riboside 150mg
Apigenin 100mg
PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline quinone) 10mg
CoQ10 100mg
Pregnenolone 15mg
(AKBA) ...5-loxin 100mg
Ergothioneine 5mg
Piperlongumine 10mg
Fisetin 100mg
Pterostilbene 100mg
hyaluronic acid 100mg
lithium orotate 5mg
Boron 3mg
 
Resolve10 said:
You don’t have to mind me I know sometimes what I prefer isn’t what is best for the majority. I will definitely check it out when released anyways though.
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I appreciate that. I'm the same way in that sometimes what I would like myself may not be the best way to do it in terms of overall sales.

I'm leaning towards doing one flavor without it, but my only worry is that confusing people that don't understand all of the ingredients. But I'm going to try to think of a way to do it.
 
Onidracs said:
Longevity stack

Nmn -Nicotinamide mononucleotide 250 mg
NR -nicotinamide riboside 150mg
Apigenin 100mg
PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline quinone) 10mg
CoQ10 100mg
Pregnenolone 15mg
(AKBA) ...5-loxin 100mg
Ergothioneine 5mg
Piperlongumine 10mg
Fisetin 100mg
Pterostilbene 100mg
hyaluronic acid 100mg
lithium orotate 5mg
Boron 3mg
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I don't have time to type out a super long detailed reply at the moment, but I wanted to say thank you for posting that and also that it resembles a formula that I was working on last week. Like very very similar and I was second guessing myself on some things in it, so I appreciate you posting that.

I will say that I doubt we would do anything with NMN until the FDA clarifies their stance on it after them having recently warned companies about it and NR is a patented ingredient of Chromadex.

Thoughts on Spermidine and Astragaloside IV in a formula like that? I was debating on including one or both but Astragaloside IV is crazy expensive and I was considering just doing that as a standalone.

If you're really interested in products and formulas like this, you're welcome to pm me and I'll give you my email address.
 
sns8778 said:
I appreciate that. I'm the same way in that sometimes what I would like myself may not be the best way to do it in terms of overall sales.

I'm leaning towards doing one flavor without it, but my only worry is that confusing people that don't understand all of the ingredients. But I'm going to try to think of a way to do it.
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You could give it some kind of edgy moniker to imply extra potency. “Black label, overdrive, hardcore, amplified, blaze edition, flamin’ hot Cheetos, etc”
 
Flavor wise: the best single flavor I have ever had after decades of supplement usage is without a doubt hands down REDBERRY that ghost puts in their energy drink. It tastes EXACTLY like red sour patch kid (that’s what they advertise it as lol) but I mean exact exact. Flavor is delicious 🤤
 
Spermidine looks very promising too. It promotes autophagy. Caloric restriction mimetic. It may delay neurodegeneration. I'm surprised I left that one out. I'm not familiar with Astragaloside IV. Going to have to look into that one.
 
sns8778 said:
No Black Licorice? Okay, okay, red licorice? Haha.

The flavors I'm leaning toward for that project in general are the best 3 out of 5 of:
  • Grape Blue Raspberry
  • Pina Colada
  • Rainbow Unicorn
  • Sour Peach Rings
  • Jawbreaker
Out of those, I probably wouldn't do Pina Colada as the Alpha Yohimbine free one bc that's a flavor that some people love but some people hate anyway.
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Please no peach on the non I hate peach lol .. grape raspberry sounds bomb
 
Madevilz said:
Thoughts on paraxanthine? Seems to exclusive to Muscletech right now?
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The branded ingredient form of it is exclusive to Muscletech now and they've done a great job of building publicity and demand for it.

But a lot of people don't realize that that ingredient had been commercially available for companies to use for some time and not many had, which contributed to them doing the exclusivity deal.

And even before the branded version, Paraxanthine was available as a generic raw material.

Overall, it's just never been one that I've been that interested in.
 
Hyde said:
You could give it some kind of edgy moniker to imply extra potency. “Black label, overdrive, hardcore, amplified, blaze edition, flamin’ hot Cheetos, etc”
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Yeah, I thought about that but in this case, I wouldn't want the Alpha Yohimbine or Alpha Yohimbine versions to be considered as one being better than the other.

I had to laugh at the flaming cheetos haha.
 
SSJ4GOD said:
Flavor wise: the best single flavor I have ever had after decades of supplement usage is without a doubt hands down REDBERRY that ghost puts in their energy drink. It tastes EXACTLY like red sour patch kid (that’s what they advertise it as lol) but I mean exact exact. Flavor is delicious 🤤
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That is a good flavor but they actually license that with Sour Patch Kids; which is something that we are nowhere near the size to be able to do.

A sour berry is a possibility.
 
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