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Building Back Up

GreenMachineX said:
Weight: 223

Workout:

Deadlift Top Set 4x345 (rir 1 or 2)
Standing BB Press 3x8x115
Assisted Neutral Grip Pullup 6, 4, 5 x BW-50
Dips 8xBW-50, 8xBW
Db Lateral Raise 3x10x10's
BB Shrugs 8x135, 6x155
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Today's Workout:

Deadlift Top Set 1x395
Standing BB Press 3 x 6, 6, 9 x 125
Assisted Neutral Grip Pullup 8 x BW-50, 2x4xBW-25
Dips 2 x 8 x BW
BB Shrugs 8x135, 2 x 6 x 155
DB Lateral Raise 10x10's, 2 x 8 x 12's

Notes: Could've definitely pulled 405 or 415 on DL, maybe next time. The last set of standing press was an AMRAP, maybe could've got 10 though. Next week either bump weight, or add a set.

Otherwise, wife was diagnosed with covid today. She's not too sick. Terrible timing though. We're supposed to go out of town to Dollywood on Saturday. Unsure what we'll do now.
 
adult a.d.d. maybe?
a lot of what you describe sounds like stress too. Unless there is an underlying medical issue, maybe seeking some new healthy habits (sounds stupid cause obviously we already try that) could help with the "going to bed" routine for better sleep. Some of what you describe sounds incredibly close to my two buddies who finally got some a.d.d. meds and feel like it changed their lives for the better.
 
Dustin07 said:
adult a.d.d. maybe?
a lot of what you describe sounds like stress too. Unless there is an underlying medical issue, maybe seeking some new healthy habits (sounds stupid cause obviously we already try that) could help with the "going to bed" routine for better sleep. Some of what you describe sounds incredibly close to my two buddies who finally got some a.d.d. meds and feel like it changed their lives for the better.
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I guess some of what I'm describing could be stress, but my life is easy. I've had periods over the last 6 years way more stressful and was far more resilient. Would you talk to those 2 buddies and present my symptoms and such, and see if they can relate? Or have them create accounts here! 😆
Also, my wife worked around mental health facilities for a few years and learned a couple things...she's saying to not rule out schizophrenia or a similar thing 😄 😜 😅

Going to test out extra niacin today. Already took an extra 25mg on top of the usual 50mg with breakfast. Next 25mg will be about 5pm.
 
Good pulling! Sorry to hear about the wife. Zinc 2-4x a day, and NAC if you have it.

Pepcid & Zyrtec twice a day (so 20mg each, total/day) has been shown in PubMed to greatly reduce risk of hospitalization, likely due to helping prevent cytokine storms.
 
Hyde said:
Good pulling! Sorry to hear about the wife. Zinc 2-4x a day, and NAC if you have it.

Pepcid & Zyrtec twice a day (so 20mg each, total/day) has been shown in PubMed to greatly reduce risk of hospitalization, likely due to helping prevent cytokine storms.
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Thanks. Yeah, I have all that except zyrtec. I was also going to start her on quercetin
 
5 broken hours sleep again.

I did the same protocol as last week when I slept fairly well after my workout and couldn't repeat the results. Pharmaceutical intervention might be on the docket next.

Also relooking at my diet. I cut out veggies a few months ago due to bizarre side effects, but with covid in our home, that may be an issue. Although, I don't really know if acute intake of antioxidants and such matters, or if what's been done over the past few months, or years, matters more. Likely the latter matters more, but it's time to add them back in because I don't know that cutting them out helped a ton either.
 
Hyde said:
Good pulling! Sorry to hear about the wife. Zinc 2-4x a day, and NAC if you have it.

Pepcid & Zyrtec twice a day (so 20mg each, total/day) has been shown in PubMed to greatly reduce risk of hospitalization, likely due to helping prevent cytokine storms.
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Also, should I start taking pepcid as a prevention?
 
GreenMachineX said:
5 broken hours sleep again.

I did the same protocol as last week when I slept fairly well after my workout and couldn't repeat the results. Pharmaceutical intervention might be on the docket next.
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Maybe see if the wife would be up for a trip to pound town before lights out? hormonal response from sex is sleep-positive. worth a try?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Also, should I start taking pepcid as a prevention?
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Only if you have COVID, that is to help stop your lungs from reacting to the virus and filling up with water if I remember correctly.
 
Blood Pressure: 123/71
Heart Rate: 59

This is after terrible sleep and being up since 3:45am for no reason. My first BP reading was 129/78 but I've read the first one should be thrown out, but even taking the average of the 2 isn't a bad BP. I don't understand it.

Reducing niacin intake as that has not panned out like I thought it was going to. Eating 4 cage free eggs today, scrambled, and no more at lunch. Next workout day, I'll eat an extra 3 at lunch. Just need to get back to what I know worked a few weeks ago. Might need to go back to hardboiled cage free eggs if this doesn't pan out, but it should.
 
Unless you have ivermectin, there’s nothing you should take preventatively (maybe up zinc and quercetin like you said).

You need the Zyrtec with the Pepcid to get the synergy, but they are early treatment, not prevention. ~10mg Ivermectin is prophylactic in many countries like India with access and high transmission rates.

If you get it, Pepcid and Zyrtec are your OTC support besides NAC, and Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, or Telmisartan are the pharmaceutical interventions proven to work in various PubMed that the US government has tried mercilessly to suppress. Especially the former 2; Telmisartan is too prolific to sweep under the rug here (and more profitable for pharma).
 
Hyde said:
Unless you have ivermectin, there’s nothing you should take preventatively (maybe up zinc and quercetin like you said).

You need the Zyrtec with the Pepcid to get the synergy, but they are early treatment, not prevention. ~10mg Ivermectin is prophylactic in many countries like India with access and high transmission rates.

If you get it, Pepcid and Zyrtec are your OTC support besides NAC, and Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, or Telmisartan are the pharmaceutical interventions proven to work in various PubMed that the US government has tried mercilessly to suppress. Especially the former 2; Telmisartan is too prolific to sweep under the rug here (and more profitable for pharma).
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I was prescribed telmisartan and have plenty. If I get it I could start that back up. What do you mean by prolific? I used ivermectin last time about the 8th day.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Lol that was it?
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Yeah an antiseptic from the inside out! I kid I kid... It doesn't make you less sick it just makes you care less that you are.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Lol that was it?
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I tested positive on a trip to AZ in Mar 2021 with my boy (boys trip). at that point people were getting tickets for 'Knowingly' flying sick so my wife wanted me to test before I came home. 2hrs later positive.

At the worst of it, I took 2 ibuprofen (half of a serving) (did this I think 3 days)
with a gatorade every morning along with vit c, d, ecinacea, and elderberry syrup.
I then had my normal coffee, pulled out the laptop and worked out of arizona for 10 days. at lunch my boy and I did a jog. Every evening we watched the full predator / alien onslaught of movies with bourbon (me, not him) and dinner. I golfed I think 3 times because the 'rules' were gray, I paid for my tee time digitally, interacted with nobody, walked straight to tee box #1 and got my game in. I did lose sense of taste for 24hrs so I switched to cheaper bourbon until it came back the next day. loss of smell was gone about a week.

My symptoms might have been more mild than other people, or I was just too pissed off to admit I was sick. experiences may vary, lol. I forced myself to be very active and "live" my vacation to the best of my ability for better or worse lol. i still say I haven't been sick since 2019....
 
GreenMachineX said:
I was prescribed telmisartan and have plenty. If I get it I could start that back up. What do you mean by prolific? I used ivermectin last time about the 8th day.
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They took 80mg twice a day (160 total daily) in hospitalized patients and they all were sent home several days faster.

Since COVID is now generally less impacting, I personally would stick with a standard 80mg daily dose, once a day in the evening, if I developed COVID. If things were turning bad, only then I would go to the double dose. I’m not a doctor - I encourage you to search the PubMed on this before self-medicating!

Also, I am not advocating you give a drug she’s never used to your wife. I’m talking about you taking care of yourself with things you are prescribed.

Prolific as in Telmisartan is routinely prescribed in the US much more frequently than Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. Although Ivermectin is actually the best way to kick head lice, as an aside.
 
Hyde said:
They took 80mg twice a day (160 total daily) in hospitalized patients and they all were sent home several days faster.

Since COVID is now generally less impacting, I personally would stick with a standard 80mg daily dose, once a day in the evening, if I developed COVID. If things were turning bad, only then I would go to the double dose. I’m not a doctor - I encourage you to search the PubMed on this before self-medicating!

Also, I am not advocating you give a drug she’s never used to your wife. I’m talking about you taking care of yourself with things you are prescribed.

Prolific as in Telmisartan is routinely prescribed in the US much more frequently than Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. Although Ivermectin is actually the best way to kick head lice, as an aside.
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Gotcha. Well, I'm awake at 1am with heart pounding, kinda hot yet chilled inside... feels pretty similar to last time I had it so far. Might be getting back on telmisartan after all. Id probably only use 40mg though like last time. (But I get bizarre symptoms all the time so could still be something else since I don't have the achy feeling).

I won't be giving my wife this stuff. I think she's better equipped to handle all of it anyway. Not sure what I really believe on it, but she is vaccinated whereas I'm not. She's got a good supplement protocol overall and has great vitamin D levels.

Edit: was able to fall back asleep and got 6 hours total I think, 2 blocks of 3 hours each I believe. Best I've had in a week.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
I won't be giving my wife this stuff. I think she's better equipped to handle all of it anyway. Not sure what I really believe on it, but she is vaccinated whereas I'm not. She's got a good supplement protocol overall and has great vitamin D levels.

Edit: was able to fall back asleep and got 6 hours total I think, 2 blocks of 3 hours each I believe. Best I've had in a week.
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There's a small part of me when reading your symptoms that still thinks a lot of what ails you is somehow stress related and that you need to get angry to fight it. you can ignore that if you want, it's just an approach that has helped me through a lot of bullshit in life (COVID included).

My wife and I are not vaccinated either. we had an "exposure" in aug or sept of 21 (5-6 months+ after our real cases) and had to bail on a big group trip, largely because everyone was elderly so we figured we aren't taking the blame for that! lol. But, Sat morning we both felt a little winded on a walk, I sweated a little too easy, very mild stomach issues, but by that night after a few drinks it was all gone. I've been convinced that was our natural immunity fighting off a second round of the 'rona but I've never been tested other than when I needed to for travel. so it will be interesting to see how your body does. Again, unpopular opinion, but I believe fear is huge driver in our symptoms. the people in my office (13 of us got it at the same time) who went to bed were miserable for a week. the ones who maintained their normal life with some dayquil never got knocked off their feet....

Again though, I say all that with respect of other peoples opinions and the fact that symptoms can vary wildly, just my personal observations.
 
Dustin07 said:
There's a small part of me when reading your symptoms that still thinks a lot of what ails you is somehow stress related and that you need to get angry to fight it. you can ignore that if you want, it's just an approach that has helped me through a lot of bullshit in life (COVID included).

My wife and I are not vaccinated either. we had an "exposure" in aug or sept of 21 (5-6 months+ after our real cases) and had to bail on a big group trip, largely because everyone was elderly so we figured we aren't taking the blame for that! lol. But, Sat morning we both felt a little winded on a walk, I sweated a little too easy, very mild stomach issues, but by that night after a few drinks it was all gone. I've been convinced that was our natural immunity fighting off a second round of the 'rona but I've never been tested other than when I needed to for travel. so it will be interesting to see how your body does. Again, unpopular opinion, but I believe fear is huge driver in our symptoms. the people in my office (13 of us got it at the same time) who went to bed were miserable for a week. the ones who maintained their normal life with some dayquil never got knocked off their feet....

Again though, I say all that with respect of other peoples opinions and the fact that symptoms can vary wildly, just my personal observations.
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You might be right about the stress thing. I don't know, but there's not much I can do to lower stress any further right now. But what do you mean by get angry to fight it?

You may be into something with that exposure...I wonder if that's why I went through in the middle of the night last night with the mild chills/feeling hot, shaking, etc. I heard someone somewhere along the way say that we can have symptoms when we are re-exposed but that's only the immune system kicking in, not a reinfection.
 
GreenMachineX said:
You might be right about the stress thing. I don't know, but there's not much I can do to lower stress any further right now. But what do you mean by get angry to fight it?

You may be into something with that exposure...I wonder if that's why I went through in the middle of the night last night with the mild chills/feeling hot, shaking, etc. I heard someone somewhere along the way say that we can have symptoms when we are re-exposed but that's only the immune system kicking in, not a reinfection.
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yeah your symptoms are what triggered my memory on how my wife and I felt that weekend. I remember walking up the hill from the marina and feeling bizarrely winded and sweating, tying that together with unusual stomach issues (brief, not painful but runs) and I was certain at that point my body was fighting it, and did a very good job.

IDK, I'm not a doctor. we live and learn, adapt and adjust. When I developed panic attacks I tried to train myself to fight it. When I tested positive for 'rona I said **** if I am, and went running lol. to be honest, I'd love to take a week to sit at home in bed with cold medicine, movies and just have a sick day, but anytime I get sick, especially in this oddly politicized time we live in, I'm like no i'm fucking not, and I just.... get angry and fight it. tripling down on vitamins and exercise routines.

an old buddy of mine said when he got sick he'd put on all his clothes like a wrestler, take nyquil, wrap himself in a sub zero sleeping bag and sweat it out. miserable 12hrs but felt great the next day.
My dad always said anytime he felt sick, he made sure to hit the gym.
my last doctor said would not take an authoritative angle on that, but agreed "many people do these things and feel like they have great results". I think as a doc she couldn't tell me to exercise and ignore it but it she wouldn't advise me against it either.

life is hard but what doesn't kill you will inevitably make you stronger for sure. something about the mid-late 30s (maybe hormones IDK) really knocks a lot of men down, but then we are stronger than ever.
 
Dustin07 said:
yeah your symptoms are what triggered my memory on how my wife and I felt that weekend. I remember walking up the hill from the marina and feeling bizarrely winded and sweating, tying that together with unusual stomach issues (brief, not painful but runs) and I was certain at that point my body was fighting it, and did a very good job.

IDK, I'm not a doctor. we live and learn, adapt and adjust. When I developed panic attacks I tried to train myself to fight it. When I tested positive for 'rona I said **** if I am, and went running lol. to be honest, I'd love to take a week to sit at home in bed with cold medicine, movies and just have a sick day, but anytime I get sick, especially in this oddly politicized time we live in, I'm like no i'm fucking not, and I just.... get angry and fight it. tripling down on vitamins and exercise routines.

an old buddy of mine said when he got sick he'd put on all his clothes like a wrestler, take nyquil, wrap himself in a sub zero sleeping bag and sweat it out. miserable 12hrs but felt great the next day.
My dad always said anytime he felt sick, he made sure to hit the gym.
my last doctor said would not take an authoritative angle on that, but agreed "many people do these things and feel like they have great results". I think as a doc she couldn't tell me to exercise and ignore it but it she wouldn't advise me against it either.

life is hard but what doesn't kill you will inevitably make you stronger for sure. something about the mid-late 30s (maybe hormones IDK) really knocks a lot of men down, but then we are stronger than ever.
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Gotcha. One thing I won't be doing is hitting the gym if I'm sick 😆 I don't need one more reason to not sleep. But I'll keep my walks up as long as I can...except today since it's pouring.
 
also give yourself grace on bad days. it's always a balancing act to know when to force through and when to wait in the trenches for the rain to clear. I know you know that, but it's worth remembering sometimes.
 
You don’t have to hit the gym to do some jumping jacks, push-ups, bodyweight squats in a circuit - always remember that!
 
I may have figured something out. I believe the extra niacin was making the problem worse, not better, depleting the methyl pool causing undermethylation symptoms. I feel so much better today with reduced niacin (only 25mg in my multi), 4 scrambled cage free eggs, about 300mcg folinic acid, 500mcg b12. Hopefully I'll sleep well as a result.
 
8 hours sleep last night! I did wake up 3 times, but was able to easily fall back asleep and felt like I was sleeping hard. Minimal anxiety, minimal irritability, minimal OCD. The one problem with this protocol that I've noticed before when increasing methylation is constipation. Gotta figure that out. Otherwise, feels good.

Something else I learned about recently...ORAC value in food. I'll be concentrating more on this with my food choices.
 
Dustin07 said:
stronger coffee in the morning?
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Lol yeah and honestly the body adjusts. If it doesn’t, just adding some more fiber into the diet (ground flax seeds, certain fruits, oats, whole grains, beans, veggies, Metamucil, lots of options) can usually improve regularity.

Mct oil or higher dosed magnesium always flush me out if necessary. Milk of magnesia is usually way overkill.

Dulcolax can help ease the transition adjustment phase if those things don’t appeal to you.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Ha, yeah, what dose magnesium? I already get adequate fiber though.
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If you are constipated, then you can be consuming more. It’s not like some magic happens right at 30g daily

That being said, I agree magnesium is the easiest intervention compared to diet. Just 800mg of the cheapest mag supplement you can find will probably overload you within a few days. If you want laxative effects now, probably 1,200+ all at once.

The more you take, the more you will risk squirts instead of just motivating regularity.
 
Hyde said:
If you are constipated, then you can be consuming more. It’s not like some magic happens right at 30g daily

That being said, I agree magnesium is the easiest intervention compared to diet. Just 800mg of the cheapest mag supplement you can find will probably overload you within a few days. If you want laxative effects now, probably 1,200+ all at once.

The more you take, the more you will risk squirts instead of just motivating regularity.
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Taking a shitload of vitamin C cleans me out. Not comfortably though. Not terrible either. I haven’t needed it, I have a solid digestive system, but I’ve overdone it accidentally more than once.
 
I had tacos last night with extra hot habanero sauce and damn nearly pulled over on the highway on my way to work this morning. So you might try that, too.
 
Today's Workout:

BB Bench 8x185, 6x190, 6x195
Cable Row 3x8x100
Cable Upright Row 12x27.5, 12x32.5, 10x37.5
OH Triceps Extension 3 x 12, 10, 9 x 32.5
DB Curl 12x20's, 2x6x25's

Notes: attempting several things today to see how I sleep and fair tomorrow. No squats or Barbell rows in this workout. One thing that may be an issue is my body can't recover from so much CNS stimulation. My reasoning for this is my heart rate stays elevated for hours after a workout (it's 77 now, finished about an hour ago). Cable Rows weren't really heavy enough, but that's fine...still got a pump. Chest felt crampy, so I only did 3 sets. That last set RIR was 0-1, but likely zero so good enough. Need to increase resistance on Upright Row. Bis and tris RPE9. Should be a good test for heart rate recovery since this workout only took about 45 minutes.

Also ate 2 extra eggs after my workout, so that's 6 today. Hoping that theory pays off.

Slept kind of bad last night...got 3 hours straight, then woke up every hour for 4 more hours until 4am, then couldn't fall back asleep.
 
Well, still had some difficulty sleeping. Took 25mg niacin about 11pm and that at least got me another couple hours. After that, 200mg theanine and 250mg lemon balm gave me another hour or so. It'll be interesting to see if I have PEM though later today. Hoping the extra eggs today did me well in that regard. Something weird I'm noticing...either high doses of theanine or lemon balm give me a sore throat, particularly tonsils. It's happened several times now without actually becoming sick, so I don't think it's covid finally showing its face. I think it'll be gone by the time I eat breakfast like usual.

On another note, diet has been tight all week, but kcal maybe a bit high. Can't weigh in though because that's in the area of the house my wife is quarantined in. I think when my kcal are low, my insomnia is worse, or more specifically when my liver glycogen is low. Just a theory so far but have increased fruit consumption to test.

Lastly, very glad I got 195 for 6 on bench. When I'm able to bench 225 for reps again, I'll finally feel like I'm "there" again. Where? I don't know, but better than here 😆
 
L-theanine never gave me a sore throat. I would only drop that or the balm and see what happens.

Or you could have just slept with your mouth more open and the air is more dry because it’s winter. Or…

I think you micromanage and analyze way too many things that don’t need explained or matter. I mean if the soar throat goes away, who cares? Isn’t that hour of rest you’re desperately hunting for more important than a tickly throat for a few hours? And did taking that niacin suddenly allow sleep, or just your placebo of now being able to better relax because you did something trivial that you have become overly-fixated on? Almost no supplement or drug only does one desirable thing. Or food. You want the milk, you have to get the cow & make it work. You are not smarter than your body regarding how it must operate.

It’s not bad that you notice things. I’m just pointing out that you don’t always need to find answers for problems that aren’t really a problem. I mean it’s great if you can improve your processes, but I’m just saying life & the body are dynamic and much is totally outside your control or understanding.

In Eastern philosophy, there’s generally more this idea that you will be much happier in life if you will stop spending so much energy trying to paddle your raft upstream instead of just going with the flow of the river.
 
I am not a happy camper. Tested positive for covid. 😠
So far, just headache, feel a little cold and achy, very light fever of 99.1 (my usual is 97), and my heart rate elevated to 80-90's. I don't have time for this. Guess I just gotta take the break and slow down the next week or whatever.

Edit: Fever 99.9 at 3pm. Headache isn't as intense.
 
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Hyde said:
They took 80mg twice a day (160 total daily) in hospitalized patients and they all were sent home several days faster.

Since COVID is now generally less impacting, I personally would stick with a standard 80mg daily dose, once a day in the evening, if I developed COVID. If things were turning bad, only then I would go to the double dose. I’m not a doctor - I encourage you to search the PubMed on this before self-medicating!

Also, I am not advocating you give a drug she’s never used to your wife. I’m talking about you taking care of yourself with things you are prescribed.

Prolific as in Telmisartan is routinely prescribed in the US much more frequently than Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin. Although Ivermectin is actually the best way to kick head lice, as an aside.
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Regarding the telmisartan, did those patients have normal blood pressure? Did it not take BP too low?

Edit: BP was 145/85, so took 40mg telmisartan anyway. Debating using Pepcid, but really, my symptoms are so mild it would be hard to believe I get any worse. My wife laughs at my covid experiences. She slept for 4 days, I mopped the whole house yesterday 😆
 
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GreenMachineX said:
Regarding the telmisartan, did those patients have normal blood pressure? Did it not take BP too low?

Edit: BP was 145/85, so took 40mg telmisartan anyway. Debating using Pepcid, but really, my symptoms are so mild it would be hard to believe I get any worse. My wife laughs at my covid experiences. She slept for 4 days, I mopped the whole house yesterday
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When I had the first strain of COVIS in March of 2020, it definitely jacked up my bp & pulse, and generally did in many. So it was probably a good compliment to those severe enough to be hospitalized despite the higher than normal dosage.
 
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