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Kleen - Project 50: Under Construction

180mcg of K2 year round. Take it with your daily Vitamin D3. You will go through more D3 using K2. NOW makes a nifty 180mcg/5,000iu K2/D3 combo pill at a decent price if you shop around sales.



Those people sound like people who won’t make any kind of progress, at least not what they’d be capable of with some consistency of effort.

Whatever people want to think, you’re always getting better or worse - time waits for no man!
Great quote! Thanks on the K2, I got 100mg caps so will do 200 and then reup with the now stuff after I run through what I have now. I already have D3 so no issues there.
You are a wealth of quotes.
We might have to put you in charge of a power lifting version of a 'quote a day' desk top calendar.
Some kind of quote calendar eh!
 
11/23/22 Upper Body Vertical Focus Upper body - All high rep work except for single arm lat pulldown

Elliptical 5 minute
- quick pace, got HR up to 145 by end of 2nd minute.
Gymnastic Ring I-T-Y circuit - 3 rounds of until the got very challenging.

DB Arnold Press - 65 degree - 10x20, 15x20, 25x20 - felt great but wanted something more stable to push harder

Iron Tech Iso-lateral Shoulder Press - 25per side x RPE8 x5 sets - last 3 I did mechanical drop set by leaning back a little turning into a little bit of an incline chest press

Iron Tech Iso-lateral Lat Pulldown - 50lbs x RPE8-9 x5 sets - reps were in the 8-10 range here, dictated by left side which was surprisingly comparable in strength to my right.

Floor DB Squeeze Press - 15 x RPE8-9 x 4 sets - Was really squeezing DB's together hard to get the best pec contreaction I could. I know I will be sore tomorrow of the next day. CHEST PUMP WAS INSANE!

DB Side Raise - 10x20 x3, 10x15 x1 -
Delts were jammed full of blood!

Super Set
DB Curls 15x20, 17.5x20, 17.5x20, 17.5x15 + 4 more for left side
- Biceps contraction in left side is improving. Put the additional 2.5lbs on the inside to make supination harder for the 17.5 sets. Last set I went to failure with left hand to stimulate more growth to catch up.
Iron Tech Triceps Ext - 50x RPE8-9 x 4 sets - Pushed harder at first with left hand on a few sets to increase overall volume and challenge for left side.
DB Overhead Extension Left Hand Only - 25x9 drop set to 10x14 - Just adding volume to get the guns back on the left side.

I tried some DB Floor Flies before the Squeeze press but the shoulder just wasn't ready for them. I think the squeeze press was the better tool for the job anyway after doing them.

The "I AM BLASTING!!!" pumps showed up today. I was already getting full body pump on the elliptical but I looked like I had ballooned by the end of the workout!

Here are my ending macros for tonight. Pretty good for a build day.
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I plan to try to squeeze in some GPP and or interval training before we eat dinner tomorrow. Give things a place to land. Also bumping TBol to 50mg the next couple of days for the same reason. Take advantage of the surplus!
 
If I don't make time to get on here tomorrow HAPPY THANKSGIVING AM FAMILY!!!!
 
You are a wealth of quotes.
We might have to put you in charge of a power lifting version of a 'quote a day' desk top calendar.

Better a powerlifter quote of the day calendar than a powerlifter model of the day calendar!!! That would be gross
 
Getting that protein in, nice work !
 
11/25/22 - Morning Weight 213 - Not too bad at all only up .6lbs. I will probably still have a bit of elevated eating today with leftovers and visiting family today.

I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving!

Going to get in a lower body session in after a meal and enough time to digest it. We sent most things home with family so other than sneaking some sweets in everything else will probably be on point. It was raining here all day yesterday so no chance to get in any GPP. Going to check to see if MA Research is running a Black Friday and pick up another bottle of cardarine to help keep lipids in check if so.
 
Mmm, elevated eating…

Your last one, was that at home?

What kind of DBs do you use for your squeeze presses?

I don’t feel my DB flys the way I should. I needed to focus on getting these down.
 
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Mmm, elevated eating…

Your last one, was that at home?

What kind of DBs do you use for your squeeze presses?

I don’t feel my DB flys the way I should. I needed to focus on getting these down.
It was at home but the ones I was using have a hexagonal shape so the flat side makes it easier to really push them together without sliding around. Also when doing them make sure you are elbows out and you press up trying to bring the elbow in as close as possible at the top. The contraction will be amazing.

Elevated Eating = Scrambled eggs and left over turkey with Smoked Jalapeno White Gravy for breakfast = YUM!!!!

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Thanks, trying to get my order in now. Darn thing has an old password and I can't get it to send me the password reset link for some reason. UGH!!!
 
Thanks, trying to get my order in now. Darn thing has an old password and I can't get it to send me the password reset link for some reason. UGH!!!
I gave up and used a different email. Ordered!!!!
 
I have had that same problem with there site in the passed !
It's okay though we found a way!

I didn't end up training yesterday. After eating I went to watch something with the wife and she got a call that one of her Auntie's who had been in the hospital took a bad turn and they were going to pull the plug once they could get a priest there to give her her last rights. She took it pretty hard so I decided it was not the time for me to abandon her to go work out.

On a different subject Thursday I decided to try my delt again for my .3ml NPP shot. The PIP was brutal again, not right after but yesterday I was wincing in pain any time I activated my medial delts. So now I know the delt is just off limits for me. This mornings shot went into my upper quad. It is such a big shot compared to the others at 2.4ml but typically no PIP. If things stay good this next week as far as having no sides, I will bump NPP to 300mg a week.

I am officially back on tracking calories tomorrow although I haven't been very bad at all. I did pretty well yesterday multiple "clean meals" but had 2 cookies during the day and a bowl of ice cream with spicy honey on it after dinner.

I just had a nice and easily digested meal and am finishing my coffee then plan to head out to the garage and get some squatting in. After that I am going to go visit my cousin and we may have a glass or two of wine and a good meal. Since I am not going to be in charge of the food and don't feel the need to prep a meal I am just going to enjoy whatever we end up doing while visiting.
 
I can fit up to .3 ml comfortably sub q belly fat if that helps. But I guess it doesn’t really help as you’re raising the NPP dose lol.
 
It is a hard time of the year to keep the nutrition in check............. Just Enjoy!!
 
It is a hard time of the year to keep the nutrition in check............. Just Enjoy!!

You can enjoy your family time, and you can still pursue your physique goals, but not if you just eat like it’s a free for all - that’s how you went to Vegas for 1 week on your feet and still gained 8lbs!
 
You can enjoy your family time, and you can still pursue your physique goals, but not if you just eat like it’s a free for all - that’s how you went to Vegas for 1 week on your feet and still gained 8lbs!

But I Love Food !! ♥
 
Happy squatting!
Oh how I wished it worked out that way.
I can fit up to .3 ml comfortably sub q belly fat if that helps. But I guess it doesn’t really help as you’re raising the NPP dose lol.
I may try this, PIP is pretty severe in my quad today, wondering if the gear might have crashed or was mixed with something painful. Would make sense as to why the guy gave it to me as well. If I can run Sub-Q I will try that before giving up on the NPP. No use in running something that limits how much I can work the muscle.
It is a hard time of the year to keep the nutrition in check............. Just Enjoy!!
Although this sounds fun I have to keep watch.
You can enjoy your family time, and you can still pursue your physique goals, but not if you just eat like it’s a free for all - that’s how you went to Vegas for 1 week on your feet and still gained 8lbs!
Exactly this, I don't need extra weight that isn't muscle mass for my goals. Not looking for leverage for lifts.
But I Love Food !! ♥
Me too! Also to be fair you are in a much better spot to mess up a couple times without too much to clean up. I am still trying to do that initial clean up. So I need to spend more time focusing on the goal to get there than you need to maintain it.

Yesterday ended up being a rough one. I went through my warm ups and got feeling good for my squats. Then on the 5th set everything went to hell.

Walked 1 mile with chains
Elliptical - 5 minutes

SSB Squats - 155x15, 165x15, 175x15, 185x15, 195x13 - right side of lower back tweaked on the 13th rep pretty bad.
Put the weight up immediately. It sucked because I wasn't even straining to get the 195 up at all. Just tweaked on me. My right foot had been hurting just a little and I think it probably had me tracking differently without realizing it.

2 mile walk - Felt like maybe I could walk it off so I went outside to try to walk it off and just fill the area with blood for a bit. I walked 2 miles and it felt like it was loosening up. Came in and sat down told the wife about what happened and then tried to get up off the couch and that is when the pain came roaring back in. I was supposed to cook dinner so I ended up ordering Chicken Fajitas from a local Mexican place and sitting on a heating pad most of the night.

This morning it is still very tender. I have to brace before I do anything to avoid pain and I had a hard time getting my shoes on. I am waiting for the feed store to open here in a few minutes then going to get some horse liniment to slather the area in. Hoping it will loosen things up enough for me to see if I can squeeze out some leg curls and extensions at the gym then sit in a massage chair. If not I am going to toss in an impromptu arm and shoulder session. Get my beach muscle on.

I think I am going to have to go back to resetting my hips during my warm up and probably add in some banded hip thrusts to make sure both glutes are firing well before I get under a bar regardless of how light I am working. Also going to limit reps to 10 for a bit so I am not getting myself tired with all the high rep sets. Also going to start doing the McGill Big 3 more often see if I can't get this right glute squared away.

Anyway, wish me luck that this thing clears up quickly.
 
Oh how I wished it worked out that way.
I may try this, PIP is pretty severe in my quad today, wondering if the gear might have crashed or was mixed with something painful. Would make sense as to why the guy gave it to me as well. If I can run Sub-Q I will try that before giving up on the NPP. No use in running something that limits how much I can work the muscle.
Although this sounds fun I have to keep watch.
Exactly this, I don't need extra weight that isn't muscle mass for my goals. Not looking for leverage for lifts.
Me too! Also to be fair you are in a much better spot to mess up a couple times without too much to clean up. I am still trying to do that initial clean up. So I need to spend more time focusing on the goal to get there than you need to maintain it.

Yesterday ended up being a rough one. I went through my warm ups and got feeling good for my squats. Then on the 5th set everything went to hell.

Walked 1 mile with chains
Elliptical - 5 minutes

SSB Squats - 155x15, 165x15, 175x15, 185x15, 195x13 - right side of lower back tweaked on the 13th rep pretty bad.
Put the weight up immediately. It sucked because I wasn't even straining to get the 195 up at all. Just tweaked on me. My right foot had been hurting just a little and I think it probably had me tracking differently without realizing it.

2 mile walk - Felt like maybe I could walk it off so I went outside to try to walk it off and just fill the area with blood for a bit. I walked 2 miles and it felt like it was loosening up. Came in and sat down told the wife about what happened and then tried to get up off the couch and that is when the pain came roaring back in. I was supposed to cook dinner so I ended up ordering Chicken Fajitas from a local Mexican place and sitting on a heating pad most of the night.

This morning it is still very tender. I have to brace before I do anything to avoid pain and I had a hard time getting my shoes on. I am waiting for the feed store to open here in a few minutes then going to get some horse liniment to slather the area in. Hoping it will loosen things up enough for me to see if I can squeeze out some leg curls and extensions at the gym then sit in a massage chair. If not I am going to toss in an impromptu arm and shoulder session. Get my beach muscle on.

I think I am going to have to go back to resetting my hips during my warm up and probably add in some banded hip thrusts to make sure both glutes are firing well before I get under a bar regardless of how light I am working. Also going to limit reps to 10 for a bit so I am not getting myself tired with all the high rep sets. Also going to start doing the McGill Big 3 more often see if I can't get this right glute squared away.

Anyway, wish me luck that this thing clears up quickly.
I hope everything clears up quickly for you 🙏
 
I hope everything clears up quickly for you 🙏
Thanks @BOSSMAN, after trekking to the feed store I have decided that trying to do any leg work today would be foolish. If things feel a little better later I may try to do a little machine supported upper body work but more than likely today will be a rest and recover day.
 
Thanks @BOSSMAN, after trekking to the feed store I have decided that trying to do any leg work today would be foolish. If things feel a little better later I may try to do a little machine supported upper body work but more than likely today will be a rest and recover day.
My vote is R&R, tomorrow is the beginning of a new week new beginning. Dont beat yourself up
 
My vote is R&R, tomorrow is the beginning of a new week new beginning. Dont beat yourself up
Coming from the hardest working man on the forum I will take that advice!
 
I’m sorry this happened!

I’m going to guess you did too many reps on a movement that demands YOU maintain a perfect brace to avoid low back injury. Based on your injury history.

15s is a lot for anyone, and it’s not one focused top challenge set either - it’s a LOT of sets of 15 you were doing. Who could possibly maintain concentration & optimal core contraction for so long? It’s just begging for you to drop your guard. I have done this, at least, FWIW.

Something I have had to reckon with is that I must do bracing drills EVERY time I intend to squat or pull. And I MUST maintain that brace throughout the lifts, every single rep. So if I am too fatigued to do all the volume via the main lift, I have to find other exercises to get the muscle work in that are easier to stay safe (Legpress, sled dragging, etc).

You must get the inflammation out. Take some ibuprofen and rest today besides a couple very brief walks. Then do frequent little daily walks (sounds like your job alone will be more than sufficient just getting in/out of the building) & begin McGill Big 3 as you can when you can without pain.

Probably avoid hamstring work for a week, because they will tighten up after and pull on the low back. Walking and maybe very light backwards sled dragging if you do anything.
 
Thanks @Hyde I will follow your recommendations here.

I had a feeling the higher reps more than likely had a heavy hand in this. I think I will drop reps for squats and pick up volume elsewhere like you mentioned. It was actually going pretty good for me before my surgery getting in 5 sets of 5 on squat day then getting in a higher volume workout on my 2nd session of the week at the gym. Legs were improving quickly then too.
 
Wishing you a quick recovery (Sounds Like A Get Well Card)
 
Sorry to hear about the set back Kleen. I do recommend the McGill exercises based on Hyde's advice. Seems to be helpful so far, although I haven't really tested myself on anything too heavy.
 
Wishing you a quick recovery (Sounds Like A Get Well Card)
Pretty much what is needed! :)
Sorry to hear about the set back Kleen. I do recommend the McGill exercises based on Hyde's advice. Seems to be helpful so far, although I haven't really tested myself on anything too heavy.
Thanks!

Definitely showing some improvement this morning. Still painful to do some things but nowhere near as debilitating as the last two days. I will be walking for lunch today, other than that I don't have a workout planned. Just taking my ibuprofen doses and trying to get blood in the area by getting up regularly to walk around.

11/28/22 Morning Weight 221.2 - and looking like a house! Everything is thicker, not so much my waistline though. I ate a lot of the left over ham in sandwiches yesterday trying to get rid of it. So fat, carbs and sodium were all a little high yesterday. I did not do any tracking because how can you even guess how much fat is in the last bits of fatty ham from a ham shank. Today we are back on full on Build and Burn Days with it being a burn day of course. Although I expect to see a pretty decent drop in weight the next day or two I also feel like I grew a little bit over the holiday weekend while running the TBol at 50m a day.

Also a little surprised that my thighs are a little bit sore from the squats. So even though it was cut short I got in enough work to stimulate some growth.

I did my last physical therapy session this morning too. Good to be done with that finally.
 
Got in a 45 minute walk during lunch, feel pretty good. My legs are so full and pumped right now I felt like I was walking around my adductors. Thighs are looking meaty right now pumped just from walking. Gotta love it.

I am breaking my fast here shortly, after I go help one of our partners with an issue I will have some protein and some spicy peanuts. Houston is on a water boil warning as one of the sections of the water cleaning plant had a power failure. So food options are pretty limited right now.
 
I don't normally do OMAD, I will typically have at least 2 meals and often 3. I normally do 16/8 fasting Lean Gains style. Sometimes I extend the fast to a 20/4 style. I am not usually that worried about 1g/lb when fasting in the 20/4 style. The hormonal set up is so optimum you don't lose any muscle mass during the fasting period. When it comes to cutting weight the data shows that fasting provides superior muscle retention over calorie restriction with 3-5 meals spread throughout the day. So it really just depends on the goal. Everything has a time and place. When trying to lean up I will take muscle and nitrogen retention over more frequent MPS stimulation considering over the time that style of dieting in a deficit is still going to result in less muscle retained. Now when bulking and trying to grow muscle I definitely believe stimulating MPS frequently is more beneficial to muscle gains. The data shows this as well.

Often on my build and burn days I do eat all day for the build days then fast for up to 20 hours on the burn days. This way I can get the best of both worlds which tends to provide some nice recomposition.
Question on this style of eating...would basically eating at 10am and 5pm be good enough for benefits? I get hungry between 10 to 11 and could hold off for dinner until 5, so I'm not hungry before bed...
 
Question on this style of eating...would basically eating at 10am and 5pm be good enough for benefits? I get hungry between 10 to 11 and could hold off for dinner until 5, so I'm not hungry before bed...
Sure a typical Lean Gains style 16/8 fast for that window would be 10AM-6PM which would fit fine. You might find it easier on your stomach to have 3 meals during that feeding window too.
 
When I did IF I was constantly popping spicy peanuts. It was my go-to snack for years.
 
Sure a typical Lean Gains style 16/8 fast for that window would be 10AM-6PM which would fit fine. You might find it easier on your stomach to have 3 meals during that feeding window too.

it's borderline insanity how much science there is in metabolic conditioning. Cutting, pyramiding, refeeding, reverse dieting, IF. and there is more, and they all get notoriety because at some point each one has proven to be successful. I just saw a guy post today on a "fitness over 40 group" (which is more like "since you're over 40 it's ok to be fat and lazy and lift pink dumbbells here on out" ) that there is no "hack for your metabolism, so go ahead and enjoy your leftovers".

I was like what a flaming pile of dogshit. I didn't even really learn about reverse dieting until this year, started a couple months ago, and my weight is basically staying deadnuts on, or even dropping slightly with my calories being UP like 400+ per day (and I'll keep adding).

the metabolism and hormonal response to food types, timing, etc is just mind blowing. so many successful approaches.
 
Sure a typical Lean Gains style 16/8 fast for that window would be 10AM-6PM which would fit fine. You might find it easier on your stomach to have 3 meals during that feeding window too.
Well, the 2 meals in a day would be to save calories and eat more at dinner. Pretty much every day at dinner, I have a bottomless pit where I just want to keep eating (almost) regardless of what I've eaten the rest of the day, unless I've truly gorged at lunch.
 
Well, the 2 meals in a day would be to save calories and eat more at dinner. Pretty much every day at dinner, I have a bottomless pit where I just want to keep eating (almost) regardless of what I've eaten the rest of the day, unless I've truly gorged at lunch.

Bottomless Pit # 2 Checking In !!
 
11/28/22 Burn Day - Walked 45 minutes at lunch.

Nutrition
- Protein is obviously a little low but calories are in the right range for my goal yesterday. I meant to make myself a shake with the peanuts and forgot to go get some bottled water since we had to boil the tap water yesterday. By the time I got home I had my big meal and forgot to bring my protein up. I will make up for it today since it is a Build day.

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When I did IF I was constantly popping spicy peanuts. It was my go-to snack for years.
They are an easy way to get some calories and healthy fats in without abusing your stomach.
it's borderline insanity how much science there is in metabolic conditioning. Cutting, pyramiding, refeeding, reverse dieting, IF. and there is more, and they all get notoriety because at some point each one has proven to be successful. I just saw a guy post today on a "fitness over 40 group" (which is more like "since you're over 40 it's ok to be fat and lazy and lift pink dumbbells here on out" ) that there is no "hack for your metabolism, so go ahead and enjoy your leftovers".

I was like what a flaming pile of dogshit. I didn't even really learn about reverse dieting until this year, started a couple months ago, and my weight is basically staying deadnuts on, or even dropping slightly with my calories being UP like 400+ per day (and I'll keep adding).

the metabolism and hormonal response to food types, timing, etc is just mind blowing. so many successful approaches.
I agree, I remember all the backlash and people dogging on me when I first got into IF and started posting regarding it. No one wants to accept new info that goes against things they follow dogmatically.

There are so many ways to do this that work and the trick is finding what works for you which isn't always the same thing.

Crazy on the over 40 group being that way. The ones I have been in tend to have people pushing the envelope. Wanting to be better than the 20-30 something counterparts.
Well, the 2 meals in a day would be to save calories and eat more at dinner. Pretty much every day at dinner, I have a bottomless pit where I just want to keep eating (almost) regardless of what I've eaten the rest of the day, unless I've truly gorged at lunch.
Makes sense, however keep in mind if you have goals to lean up or anything you will still want to count your calories that last meal. It is really easy to go over if you are just eating to enjoy it and have nutrient dense foods. Also another thing is when eating a big meal like that you don't want a ton of fiber or hard to digest stuff or you might suffer from GERD / indigestion and heartburn in the evenings.
Bottomless Pit # 2 Checking In !!
I am in this group on occasion. You bring me the wrong type of food and I can just go to town.
 
Makes sense, however keep in mind if you have goals to lean up or anything you will still want to count your calories that last meal. It is really easy to go over if you are just eating to enjoy it and have nutrient dense foods. Also another thing is when eating a big meal like that you don't want a ton of fiber or hard to digest stuff or you might suffer from GERD / indigestion and heartburn in the evenings.
Yeah, there's a couple meals on the weekends that we're just always going to go out for as a family, so getting to mitigate the damage there. A 1200 kcal meal at a restaurant just ruins my kcal intake for the day. But I hear ya. Thanks for the feedback.
 
Well, the 2 meals in a day would be to save calories and eat more at dinner. Pretty much every day at dinner, I have a bottomless pit where I just want to keep eating (almost) regardless of what I've eaten the rest of the day, unless I've truly gorged at lunch.

that's what second dinner is for dude. I always hit the kitchen on my way to bed 😂
 
11/29/22 Morning Weight 217.4 - As expected down a chunk from 221 and some change yesterday.

I got my Lipo Elite in yesterday and took 2 this morning. So far it is a really nice and enjoyable energy, no over stimmed feeling and I seem to be doing well with the level of theobromine in it. I will be taking this over the next 2 months to help get a little fat off of me.

This morning I did my NPP shot sub Q as @SkRaw85 suggested. Whew boy did it sting for a few minutes but we will see if it is better than IM later today or tomorrow when it has had time to permeate the area a little more.

I am going to get my lift in across the street in the gym at lunch. Just going to throw some volume at my upper body and stimulate some growth. Will get in a good feeding about an hour or so before so I am just shuttling in the nutrients. Should make for an impressive pump!
 
Yeah, there's a couple meals on the weekends that we're just always going to go out for as a family, so getting to mitigate the damage there. A 1200 kcal meal at a restaurant just ruins my kcal intake for the day. But I hear ya. Thanks for the feedback.
A 1200kcal meal out is like 1/3 of an appetizer. LMAO I actually do pretty well on most outings if paying attention. Chili's I always get the 10 sirloin from the guiltless gourmet section. It's actually pretty low in overall calories. You can even add some rice for carbs. There is almost always something you can find to get reasonable. However a lot of meals nowadays get into the 1500-2000 calories range easily. Lots of hidden fats and calories that just add up so fast. It still takes being careful.
 
11/29/22 Morning Weight 217.4 - As expected down a chunk from 221 and some change yesterday.

I got my Lipo Elite in yesterday and took 2 this morning. So far it is a really nice and enjoyable energy, no over stimmed feeling and I seem to be doing well with the level of theobromine in it. I will be taking this over the next 2 months to help get a little fat off of me.

This morning I did my NPP shot sub Q as @SkRaw85 suggested. Whew boy did it sting for a few minutes but we will see if it is better than IM later today or tomorrow when it has had time to permeate the area a little more.

I am going to get my lift in across the street in the gym at lunch. Just going to throw some volume at my upper body and stimulate some growth. Will get in a good feeding about an hour or so before so I am just shuttling in the nutrients. Should make for an impressive pump!
What brand is that lipo elite? I've been out of the stimulant fat burner game since alphamine (which I'm still convinced contained something illicit for that level of euphoria). Looking for something for my wife.
 
I agree, I remember all the backlash and people dogging on me when I first got into IF and started posting regarding it. No one wants to accept new info that goes against things they follow dogmatically.

For sure. Since I'm thinking of a cut before our big annual trip in Feb to Mexico the idea of attempting reverse dieting was daunting but I figured lets go for it and see what happens. my mind has been blown by the success of adding calories. counter intuitive to cutting.

In regards to your protein, I'm getting a ton of extra in from my first cup of coffee in the morning with collagen in it. This morning I also made a serving of the powdered peanut butter (like 2g fat per 8g protein). and I'm mixing muscle milk in with my second cup of coffee at work right now lol.
 
11/29/22 Morning Weight 217.4 - As expected down a chunk from 221 and some change yesterday.

I got my Lipo Elite in yesterday and took 2 this morning. So far it is a really nice and enjoyable energy, no over stimmed feeling and I seem to be doing well with the level of theobromine in it. I will be taking this over the next 2 months to help get a little fat off of me.

This morning I did my NPP shot sub Q as @SkRaw85 suggested. Whew boy did it sting for a few minutes but we will see if it is better than IM later today or tomorrow when it has had time to permeate the area a little more.

I am going to get my lift in across the street in the gym at lunch. Just going to throw some volume at my upper body and stimulate some growth. Will get in a good feeding about an hour or so before so I am just shuttling in the nutrients. Should make for an impressive pump!

Dude I only got into this the past few weeks but I typically have lunch as early as 10:30-11am and if I can eat like half of it (the carbs at least) then run to the gym the workout is easily twice as great as an evening lift after work. Won't be able to sneak in lunch lifts all the time but when I can it's awesome.
 
What brand is that lipo elite? I've been out of the stimulant fat burner game since alphamine (which I'm still convinced contained something illicit for that level of euphoria). Looking for something for my wife.
CEL or Competitive Edge Labs Lipo Elite the profile on it looks great and you can't go wrong with CEL products.
For sure. Since I'm thinking of a cut before our big annual trip in Feb to Mexico the idea of attempting reverse dieting was daunting but I figured lets go for it and see what happens. my mind has been blown by the success of adding calories. counter intuitive to cutting.

In regards to your protein, I'm getting a ton of extra in from my first cup of coffee in the morning with collagen in it. This morning I also made a serving of the powdered peanut butter (like 2g fat per 8g protein). and I'm mixing muscle milk in with my second cup of coffee at work right now lol.
Yes, I plan to do a reverse cut to build up metabolism once I reach my goal for leanness.

I will have to try adding collagen to my coffee. I have never really enjoyed whey protein in my coffee or even oats. Something about the consistency it takes on when the heat hits it just doesn't really do anything for me. is there a trick you do to make it come out better? I alway feel like I am doing something wrong with the proats especially since everyone else seems to love them.
 
the collagen mixes in to the coffee like its not even there, I have flavorless stuff and it blends better than say creatine does in water. I've switched over to black coffee with my wife in the morning instead of my normal creamers so I can focus better on where my cals come from but for that first morning cup of black coffee the collagen peptides have blended great.


my wife started grabbing me the single serving muscle milks at costco for like $1ea by the case. it's 160 cals of almost all protein. I mixed about 1/3 of one into my coffee at work this morning and it's pretty good. I'll finish the rest later in the day and probably pound another at the gym lol.

at night, she introduced me to mixing like low fat or fat free greek yogurt with the powdered peanut butter for a dessert. it taste like CANDY. it's awesome, however no matter what type or how much I ingest if I have dairy I have an extra layer of softness all around my gut. I don't have any real gut issues from dairy, but the vanity aspect is frustrating to have a little yogurt at night and look fatter the next day... great source of extra protein for dessert though!
 
the collagen mixes in to the coffee like its not even there, I have flavorless stuff and it blends better than say creatine does in water. I've switched over to black coffee with my wife in the morning instead of my normal creamers so I can focus better on where my cals come from but for that first morning cup of black coffee the collagen peptides have blended great.


my wife started grabbing me the single serving muscle milks at costco for like $1ea by the case. it's 160 cals of almost all protein. I mixed about 1/3 of one into my coffee at work this morning and it's pretty good. I'll finish the rest later in the day and probably pound another at the gym lol.

at night, she introduced me to mixing like low fat or fat free greek yogurt with the powdered peanut butter for a dessert. it taste like CANDY. it's awesome, however no matter what type or how much I ingest if I have dairy I have an extra layer of softness all around my gut. I don't have any real gut issues from dairy, but the vanity aspect is frustrating to have a little yogurt at night and look fatter the next day... great source of extra protein for dessert though!
Sounds good, I will try adding 10-20 grams of collagen in my coffee and see how that goes. I imagine a premade one like those muscle milks might actually work out a bit better than using a powder. Maybe I just need to premix the whey then add to the coffee and see if that changes anything.

That does sound good. I often use Fage Plain Fat free greek yogurt as a substitute for sour cream, it is pretty awesome that way. Slather a baked potato in a serving of plain yogurt, or add it to some Chicken Tikka Masala. I might have to get some more PB2 and try the desert you mentioned. One I also like is eating a cup of cottage cheese with some splenda and cinnamon in it. That is a pretty good dessert type of way to finish out the day. I also tend to really soften up when I have milk or heavy dairy before bed. Not so much if earlier on in the day. I don't let it bother me now that I recognise why it is happening but on a day I want to look my best I would definitely forego that the night before.
 
oh man love me some cottage cheese. honestly I love all dairy products. probably my two choices of how to die would be under a pile of cheese or a beautiful woman.
 
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