Preworkout Thread 2022

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I just got back into preworkouts last year after about four years off hardcore type workouts. Through the years, I always drank Amino Energy by ON because I like the green coffee extract caffeine but it's really overpriced so pretty dumb.

So this year, After my initial research, I I was ready to jump into something gnarly. I reluctantly decided to buy Blackstone Labs Dust Reloaded because I used to use a lot of there products (Totally naive about the felonious activity behind the scenes).. Long story short, I end up in the bathroom at LA Fitness taking a **** and painting the wall with puke at the same time. I was not familiar with Yohimbine before reading this thread 😅😅

Anyway, went to Reddit to find something decent and ran into a bizarre society of teenagers that idolize a certain Derek (I was not privy to this cult at the time). This group of people are convinced that GM's products are top tier , no ifs ands or butts !! Well, I definitely will not be funding that company any longer.

Right now, I am using the rest of my GM supplemented with some glutamine and other stuff but I look forward to looking into all the suggested pres that y'all suggested!! Also, I recently started Apex Alchemy's Triton and Muscle Gelz Fire PWO. I can keep you updated if you are interested as I have no experience with topical products. Also trying Apex's Ursa Major. Would love to bath in all apex products daily so DM me if you got a hookup !! 👀👀👀
 
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I don’t see a new version without DMHA anywhere? It is buried in there after the geranium extract. But agreed it’s less in your face than the OG but quite euphoric for my workout
Don’t remember which site I was on but they had a version without the geranium extract or dmha. Maybe they still had the V3 label up.

Still haven’t tried the alpha lion but did take the Animal Primal a second time and have to say it was just as good as the first. Energy and focus were perfect and really pleasant. Great pumps again as well even with less volume. Much better than the label would lead on to
 
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what is it you find intriguing about this profile?
Mostly the higher dosed Eria J and the Katt citrate? Not come across that compound before... And guess was pleasantly surprised they didn't just use a form of yohimbe for the stim and call it a day, lol
 
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Mostly the higher dosed Eria J and the Katt citrate? Not come across that compound before... And guess was pleasantly surprised they didn't just use a form of yohimbe for the stim and call it a day, lol
Flame by Dark Labs has 500mg eria J in it. Have you tried that before? It’s a good one I use it at only 3/4 scoop though.
 

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Mostly the higher dosed Eria J and the Katt citrate? Not come across that compound before... And guess was pleasantly surprised they didn't just use a form of yohimbe for the stim and call it a day, lol
The Kaff Citrate is just caffeine citrate, 50% active caffeine.
 
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Flame by Dark Labs has 500mg eria J in it. Have you tried that before? It’s a good one I use it at only 3/4 scoop though.
I've not, no. Profile looks good until the end and they ruin it (like most companies) by adding alpha Y in there
The Kaff Citrate is just caffeine citrate, 50% active caffeine.
Ooooh, Kaff... Thought that was Katt #oldeyes 🧐 gotcha
 
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I've not, no. Profile looks good until the end and they ruin it (like most companies) by adding alpha Y in there
Ooooh, Kaff... Thought that was Katt #oldeyes 🧐 gotcha
Yeah, I am like you I do not like any AY and Y in my products. That said I can tolerate a very small dose of it like 1mg or below like what’s in 3/4 scoop of Flame.
 
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Yeah alpha Y messes me up. Rarely had a good time the next xeveral hours after taking some heavy on it. I have 2 tubs of Perfomrix SST I got cheap and man I hate thinking of using them but I also hate to waste anything. Looking at it though doesn't appear to be alpha Y? I don't know but I don't like it. Can't recall some of the other past supplements I used that I also did not like.

Currently my heavy hitting favorites are Zeus, Cracked gold and will cycle in Herolean but that one I just got and used once. I know more a fat burner but works as a pre. Taste is spicy awful and really hits. I also have Double IMpact I had a while but so strong and stomach hates it so rarely use.
 
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Yeah alpha Y messes me up. Rarely had a good time the next xeveral hours after taking some heavy on it. I have 2 tubs of Perfomrix SST I got cheap and man I hate thinking of using them but I also hate to waste anything. Looking at it though doesn't appear to be alpha Y? I don't know but I don't like it. Can't recall some of the other past supplements I used that I also did not like.

Currently my heavy hitting favorites are Zeus, Cracked gold and will cycle in Herolean but that one I just got and used once. I know more a fat burner but works as a pre. Taste is spicy awful and really hits. I also have Double IMpact I had a while but so strong and stomach hates it so rarely use.
Which Zeus? I see a lot of posters on here talk about how good it is so I thought about giving it a try.
 
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Have you all seen the sale for Merica Labz F Bomb? Worth the price 40 servings and a shaker for $100?
 
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Have you all seen the sale for Merica Labz F Bomb? Worth the price 40 servings and a shaker for $100?
I don’t need to even read the label to tell you that I could make something that would slap a lot harder for half the price:

Caffeine tabs
Ephedrine
Pregnenolone
Huperzine A
AlphaGPC
B12 & B6, or a complex
Taurine
Iodized salt/sodium
Nitrate product or Agmatine
Citruline or Cit Mal (malate offers lactic acid buffering that pure citruline doesn’t)

I realize there’s a big convenience factor in a tub of preWO, but at what point are you just wasting money? I would take that extra dollar per serving and spend it on something more tangible, like cluster dextrin intraWO.
 
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Tried alpha lion supreme. Pretty good energy and pumps. It’s a good pre and flavor is great. Honestly I still have better focus and pumps with the Animal Primal. I prefer it’s energy and feel more
 
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Tried alpha lion supreme. Pretty good energy and pumps. It’s a good pre and flavor is great. Honestly I still have better focus and pumps with the Animal Primal. I prefer it’s energy and feel more
Just took a loot at Primal's ingredients. So you're saying that 3DPUMP-Breakthrough is legit? I haven't had anything with this in it.
 
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Just took a loot at Primal's ingredients. So you're saying that 3DPUMP-Breakthrough is legit? I haven't had anything with this in it.
I seem to respond really well to it. It doesn’t seem like anything crazy other than the Amla Fruit extract component of it which looks interesting but other than that it’s glycerol and citrulline which I do respond well too. I do get pumps pretty easily regardless but I had a very noticeable difference in pumps during my workout and how long they lasted after.

I don’t think primal will be for total stim junkies looking for massive doses of stimulants or exotic stims. I will say it’s the perfect amount of energy for me but the focus has been on point every time I’ve tried. I much prefer a solid energy and focus combination than just being cracked out of my mind and crashing hard after
 

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Just took a loot at Primal's ingredients. So you're saying that 3DPUMP-Breakthrough is legit? I haven't had anything with this in it.
3Dpump-breakthrough gets solid reviews. I have it in Performax Vasomax and honestly, it's good but I've had better. Simply put. I suspect larger doses of citrulline and/or glycerol will out-perform 3Dp-B.
 

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Flame by Dark Labs has 500mg eria J in it. Have you tried that before? It’s a good one I use it at only 3/4 scoop though.
I liked flame but still feel crack was the best pre they made. Never got a chance to try dark energy though.
 
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Honestly I didn’t get all the hype with Dark Energy. It worked for sure, but had a nasty crash I’ve never gotten on any 1,3 product before. Guess I’m jaded from the glory days of pres
 
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I liked flame but still feel crack was the best pre they made. Never got a chance to try dark energy though.
I haven’t tried The OG Crack, but Crack Gold is superior to Dark Energy for sure. So I would think you would still like Crack better then Dark Energy.
 

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I liked flame but still feel crack was the best pre they made. Never got a chance to try dark energy though.
I don't think Dark Energy was a Dark Labs product. I think some people assume it's the same company as Crack, Flame, etc.
 
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I don't think Dark Energy was a Dark Labs product. I think some people assume it's the same company as Crack, Flame, etc.
This is true. Dark Energy was magnitude life sciences I believe
 

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Tried alpha lion supreme. Pretty good energy and pumps. It’s a good pre and flavor is great. Honestly I still have better focus and pumps with the Animal Primal. I prefer it’s energy and feel more
I’ve been wanting to try Primal. I have similar preference in pre-workouts.
 
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I did t realize they update mesomorph again and took out the DMHA. That was the last version I tried and it was good
They have not taken it out. The last one's we got here direct from HT still have 2-amino as do all their burners.
 

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Hope that’s a joke! 4 mg of Alpha Y and plenty of reviews to back it up.
I must have been half asleep when I read his original post. I could have sworn he wanted one with Alpha Y in it. Damn! My bad! I’ve went through two tubs of this stuff in the past three years. The first time I tolerated it very well. The second time which was a few months ago I didn’t tolerate it as well.
 
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Mailbox time, picked these up at the post office yesterday!

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Thank you too @ZOO for helping an overseas brother out!

Had my first serving today before my Push workout and it did not dissappoint! The pump and focus was very very good. It made even me look good!

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I stacked it with 1/2 serving of PES Prolific, tomorrow ill try it with 1/2 serving of SNS VasoForce Rush.

On that point, im a low/medium stim, high focus and high pump kinda guy. Do you have any other recommendations for a stim based PwO to stack with this? Prolific and VasoForce Rush will be my go to's. But its always fun to hear other suggestions.
 

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Mailbox time, picked these up at the post office yesterday!

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Thank you too @ZOO for helping an overseas brother out!

Had my first serving today before my Push workout and it did not dissappoint! The pump and focus was very very good. It made even me look good!

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I stacked it with 1/2 serving of PES Prolific, tomorrow ill try it with 1/2 serving of SNS VasoForce Rush.

On that point, im a low/medium stim, high focus and high pump kinda guy. Do you have any other recommendations for a stim based PwO to stack with this? Prolific and VasoForce Rush will be my go to's. But its always fun to hear other suggestions.
Sns Focus xt
 

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Yeah i use Focus-XT all the time, im just out right now. But as soon as SNS gets it back ill be back on it.
You can still get it here in the uk if you ever order from the uk.
while not big on AM I enjoy ghost legend and ghost gamer along with pump products.
 
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You can still get it here in the uk if you ever order from the uk.
while not big on AM I enjoy ghost legend and ghost gamer along with pump products.
Yeah before Brexit i ordered from the UK a lot, after its been less. But I see Predator still has it in stock.
Ghost Gamer is a favourite of mine as well!
 
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They have not taken it out. The last one's we got here direct from HT still have 2-amino as do all their burners.
correct the version I saw was the one in between the version with 1,3 and the current one with 2-amino
 

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The best I have tried lately is Alpha Lion SuperHuman, really good stim kick with great performance.

I'm also going through the discontinued Furious Formulations Goku Gains. Similar experience to SuperHuman but you have to add some Citrulline and Agmatine.

In the waiting are tubs of Redcon1 Total War, Nutrex Warrior and Vicious Labs Juice Daddy.
Nitrates with agmatine, but NEVER citrulline with agmatine. They work against each other, but a nitrate and agmatine combo is good. I love high dose citrulline without agmatine, though.
 
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Nitrates with agmatine, but NEVER citrulline with agmatine. They work against each other, but a nitrate and agmatine combo is good. I love high dose citrulline without agmatine, though.
I did not know this.
 
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Nitrates with agmatine, but NEVER citrulline with agmatine. They work against each other, but a nitrate and agmatine combo is good. I love high dose citrulline without agmatine, though.
Could you elaborate on that please?
 
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“Arginine (and by extension, citrulline) are inhibitory to some of the neurological effects of agmatine supplementation such as reducing opioid tolerance. The interaction between agmatine and arginine in regards to blood vessels (and 'the pump' for physical exercise) is not clear”


Many products combine Agmatine/Citrulline. I’ve always enjoyed the combo. There aren’t studies in humans combining the two ingredients versus each ingredient alone
 

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“Arginine (and by extension, citrulline) are inhibitory to some of the neurological effects of agmatine supplementation such as reducing opioid tolerance. The interaction between agmatine and arginine in regards to blood vessels (and 'the pump' for physical exercise) is not clear”


Many products combine Agmatine/Citrulline. I’ve always enjoyed the combo. There aren’t studies in humans combining the two ingredients versus each ingredient alone
I've enjoyed the combo as well. Currently, I use a couple of different pump products; VasoMax - citrulline, no agmatine, good pumps and Pump & Focus - citrulline with agmatine, great pumps.
 
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It’s tough to find great Preworkouts available to Canadians. Any suggestions from my fellow Canadians on options available here?

I should say I know I can order some of the US options but I’m not looking to pay close to $100 per tub after shipping and the exchange rate lol
 
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It’s tough to find great Preworkouts available to Canadians. Any suggestions from my fellow Canadians on options available here?

I should say I know I can order some of the US options but I’m not looking to pay close to $100 per tub after shipping and the exchange rate lol
Revolution Nutrition has a couple decent looking pre's and seem to always be running some kind of sales. Pretty sure they're based in Canada
 

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What is a good low stim pump formula? A guy I work with is looking for something low stim, big pumps.
 
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What is a good low stim pump formula? A guy I work with is looking for something low stim, big pumps.
he should checkout all out ultra - moderate stim, but he shouldn't feel jittery or crash. perfect timing for our Labor Day sale too ;)
 
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Ghost pump with a caffeine pill.
The formula doesn’t look super impressive, but I keep hearing grrreat things about this product too.

My goto is pes high volume, but thinking of trying the ghost pump
 

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