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Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2022 Edition)

Just a thought - let's have some fun with this thread.

Since I have a lot of new products that we're getting ready to launch and I want ideas and suggestions and for this thread to grow, I'll release one new product after I get 12 more participation posts about new product ideas and suggestions or when this thread hits 5 pages :)

I will give it a shot. Its an oldie from back in the day, don't know if it was any good. But Anabolic Xtreme Invalid Link Removed an enhanced absorbtion product with Bioperine in it
 
something to upregulate androgen receptors. Like forskolin and LCLT and maybe some other ingredients along those lines?
 
I’d love an eye support product because 1) we all look at screens all day and having a year long product to support eye health would be great and 2) many eye support ingredients double as cognitive supporters (Lutein for example) therefore it would bundle quite well with Focus XT

30mg Saffron
20mg Lutein
4mg Astaxanthin
4mg Zeazanthin

I didn’t mention Bilberry because I think you said the supplier charges quite a bit? Can’t recall the details
 
This may have been discussed before, ever thought of doing a protein powder? There’s obviously plenty out there, but it’d be an easy thing that everyone already uses that would have sales just due to the brand loyalty I’d think.
 
Forskolin and mitoburn mix sounds cool.

you'll be able to create that stack and at great dosages :)
SNS hinted it "Forskolin XT set to launch featuring ForsLean 95% :)"

combine that with SNS mitoburn 500mg - 60caps .would be a nice stack

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This may have been discussed before, ever thought of doing a protein powder? There’s obviously plenty out there, but it’d be an easy thing that everyone already uses that would have sales just due to the brand loyalty I’d think.

yeah i think he has touched on this before.

honestly i agree that all one time stop shop for SNS would be awesome .. but protein is just so hard to do and SNS always likes to price it decent compared to others and just wouldn't work out

esp with the price increases now, i think its better to just stay out if you dont have it in line up .. already becoming hard enough to restock some of the stuff so cant imagine on protein.

great idea though .. i was only getting EAA & protein from other co and after EAA was released by SNS only protein was being sourced by diff companies
 
Ya these would be sweet. I like Senactiv a lot, but I haven't ever used it outside of formulas fwiw.

I find myself in front of screens more often right now as well with work so eye support could be cool. Bundle with Focus XT to try and hit some of that gaming market.

Senactiv is pretty awesome , ive never done solo too .. just in Vasoforce and i do love the 50mg dose.

As for eye formula - i think he has plan on it , i researched lutein alot along with watching some seminars and i love the ingrident as well, its in focusXT as well.
 
I still haven't tried a PA product (other than a period of pounding soy lecithin) so I'm decently excited to give it a shot once SNS drops some.

I'm looking forward to you trying it and hearing your feedback on it.
 
More mTor? Hmb? Leucine? Some Astragin for absorption enhancing.

Leucine isn't really a good mix for a capsule product just bc it requires such a high dosage to become effective.
That's why we make Leucine in a powder form (which I think a lot of people don't even realize).
 
I will give it a shot. Its an oldie from back in the day, don't know if it was any good. But Anabolic Xtreme Invalid Link Removed an enhanced absorbtion product with Bioperine in it

We have been asked a few times and will probably do an absorption enhancer at some point. I have the formula designed, its just not at the top of the priority list right now. One of the decisions on that is whether to include DHB/Naringin - it's a great absorption enhancer but can also increase the potencies of some medications which may make it not so ideal for some people. (I mentioned that bc that ingredient was in the link you posted)
 
something to upregulate androgen receptors. Like forskolin and LCLT and maybe some other ingredients along those lines?

Forskolin XT will be released soon and will feature Forslean 95% :)
 
I’d love an eye support product because 1) we all look at screens all day and having a year long product to support eye health would be great and 2) many eye support ingredients double as cognitive supporters (Lutein for example) therefore it would bundle quite well with Focus XT

30mg Saffron
20mg Lutein
4mg Astaxanthin
4mg Zeazanthin

I didn’t mention Bilberry because I think you said the supplier charges quite a bit? Can’t recall the details

I have a very very comprehensive formula put together for a vision product. It has everything you mentioned plus a lot more.

It will have Bilberry in it. I like Bilberry a lot as an ingredient. I think, if I recall correctly, the price conversation we were having on Bilberry was on a specific branded type and their price was just insane compared to the same thing as a generic. I'm all about branded ingredients when it makes sense but in the case of Bilberry, it didn't to me.

A lot of people overlook it but Focus XT does have Lutein in it. And as far as I know, we were the first company to include Lutein in a nootropic - I remember when we first included it, a lot of people were confused as to why we did and asking us why.
 
A carnitine powder supplement would be interesting. Maybe each scoop having 500mg ALCAR, 500mg LCLT, 500mg PLCAR

I thought about something like that in a capsule form - where 2 capsules would equal 500 mg. each of 3 different types of carnitine. But PLCAR is a nightmare to work with from a manufacturing side bc it is so sticky. Some manufacturers won't even run PLCAR at all and the ones that will normally require very high MOQ's to do so; and I don't think a product with PLCAR in it will sell but so well - I say that based off of when we used to offer one, it was one of those products that people talked about but didn't actually by. It's one of the few products I can say that we lost a good amount of money on bc we probably sold more of it below cost or gave more away than we actually sold of it.

We will be doing a Carnitine based fat burning powder hopefully by the end of the year that I'm excited for. It will be a cool product and have some neat flavors :)
 
Oh, and stand-alone Senactiv. And stand-alone NeuroFactor

I thought about a stand alone Senactiv for a long time but the interest in it as a single just hasn't seemed to be there. I'd love to do that one if enough people were interested.

Neurofactor isn't a possibility; at least not as Neurofactor. They have an exclusive now on that name and if you didn't already make one before they did that, you can't call it Neurofactor. The ingredient is still available to companies but the branded name can't be used.
 
This may have been discussed before, ever thought of doing a protein powder? There’s obviously plenty out there, but it’d be an easy thing that everyone already uses that would have sales just due to the brand loyalty I’d think.

I appreciate the suggestion but now's not a good time to even consider a protein powder bc protein prices are through the roof.

I would love to be able to offer one but the supply chain prices on protein will have to stabilize first. And also, we need to expand our distribution network a little before it would probably be a very good idea for us.
 
Just a thought - let's have some fun with this thread.

Since I have a lot of new products that we're getting ready to launch and I want ideas and suggestions and for this thread to grow, I'll release one new product after I get 12 more participation posts about new product ideas and suggestions or when this thread hits 5 pages :)
Though I’ve mentioned this is the nootropics thread a while back.

A D/L-serine product with a 2:1 ratio of D to L serine.

Galantamine 4mg capsules as a nootropic or sleep product - I believe this is compliant if it is from snowdrop flower? Could be wrong.

holarrhena antidysenterica - standardized to conessine, and could be a wakefulness promoting nootropic.

Clausenamide - touted as “herbal piracetam,” though I have to brush up on this one.
 
Ya these would be sweet. I like Senactiv a lot, but I haven't ever used it outside of formulas fwiw.

I find myself in front of screens more often right now as well with work so eye support could be cool. Bundle with Focus XT to try and hit some of that gaming market.

I like Senactiv a lot too. I remember that we were one of the first companies to really use it when we included it in Anabolic Effect when it was still called ActiGin before they renamed it. I'd love to do a single ingredient one if there's enough interest.

Definitely plan on doing an eye support product. I'm hoping Q1 of next year.

I agree that it would make a great stack with Focus XT for the gaming market (Focus XT already has Lutein in it too). I think that Focus XT is the best gaming specific nootropic available, we just don't have the marketing that a lot of the big names do.
 
@sns8778 , we were talking about a Dynamine/Teacrine product a while back. Was this being made in to a product?

Yes, I think we'll still do one. It's on my list, just a few things in front of it, but definitely still interested.
 
Forskolin and mitoburn mix sounds cool.

That would be a great stack. We just launched MitoBurn XT not long ago and we're getting ready to launch Forskolin XT shortly :)
 
I don't follow as closely on the boards anymore so I apologize for not going back through so it may have been mentioned, but it is so hot right now that I can't help but wish SNS had an electrolyte product.

Nothing at all to apologize for. I always appreciate your insight and suggestions.

Yes, we are going to do a hydration product. I had been planning one for over a year but was wanting to do something different with the label and its just never turned out how I wanted it to bc I wanted it to be fun and graphically intense and just couldn't get it the way I wanted. So I've kind of given up on that and will be launching one with the Focus XT style labels - but I'm not giving up on my label ideas bc they'll be a lot of fun if can ever get them right lol.
 
Though I’ve mentioned this is the nootropics thread a while back.

A D/L-serine product with a 2:1 ratio of D to L serine.

Galantamine 4mg capsules as a nootropic or sleep product - I believe this is compliant if it is from snowdrop flower? Could be wrong.

holarrhena antidysenterica - standardized to conessine, and could be a wakefulness promoting nootropic.

Clausenamide - touted as “herbal piracetam,” though I have to brush up on this one.

Thank you for the suggestions. You've given me something to read up on too.

I thought about a Galantamine and we may do one at some point. I have a cool formula for a lucid dreaming product that I may include it in as well.

The Serine idea and the other two, I'll look into those. I had never thought about those before so I'm curious.
 
I thought about a stand alone Senactiv for a long time but the interest in it as a single just hasn't seemed to be there. I'd love to do that one if enough people were interested.

Neurofactor isn't a possibility; at least not as Neurofactor. They have an exclusive now on that name and if you didn't already make one before they did that, you can't call it Neurofactor. The ingredient is still available to companies but the branded name can't be used.

I’d like to experiment with Senactiv at 100mg a day. I sometimes get that in a combination of products, just not consistently.

That’s funny about NeuroFactor. I was wondering why I kept seeing products with 100mg of coffee fruit extract or something along those lines instead of just stating NeuroFactor. I wasn’t sure what was going on
 
I appreciate the suggestion but now's not a good time to even consider a protein powder bc protein prices are through the roof.

I would love to be able to offer one but the supply chain prices on protein will have to stabilize first. And also, we need to expand our distribution network a little before it would probably be a very good idea for us.

I didn’t think about the whole testing aspect of it. I guess most companies have their formulas down so just have to increase cost as they see them, where as you’d have to foot the bill on the premium price while experimenting?
 
Thank you. I hope that you'll enjoy it.

I want to point out too that even though Mediator 50P Phosphatidic Acid is the highlight ingredient, there is going to be more to Phosphatidic Acid XT than just that - there will be an additional 4 ingredients in it as well. (Can't say what they are before the formula release; but they'll be a nice plus).

That sounds fantastic. I'll order a couple bottles to give it a good shot when it drops. Maybe it can join my SNS staples (Optimize T, Vaso6, Glycophase).
 
I didn’t think about the whole testing aspect of it. I guess most companies have their formulas down so just have to increase cost as they see them, where as you’d have to foot the bill on the premium price while experimenting?

I'm confused. Did you mean to quote a different post to reply that to? You had quoted the one about protein costs and the cost increase with protein doesn't have anything to do with testing; its due to raw material price increases. And its not a good idea to launch a product during a time where prices are thru the roof on a particular ingredient - and especially a protein bc even in normal times they're hard to make money on unless you do most of your sales direct to consumer.
 
I've always preferred fat burner powders instead of pills. A lower stim fat burner/feel good/focus- type product - the possibilities are endless IMO- could have TTA, mitoburn, paradoxine, HICA, etc- something kind of "feel good" and be an energy/fat burner- Something between a mix of Focus XT and the old Alphamine by PES- I know you said you prefer taking pills but almost everyone I know loves powders as you can easily adjust the dosage/serving size.
 
I'm confused. Did you mean to quote a different post to reply that to? You had quoted the one about protein costs and the cost increase with protein doesn't have anything to do with testing; its due to raw material price increases. And its not a good idea to launch a product during a time where prices are thru the roof on a particular ingredient - and especially a protein bc even in normal times they're hard to make money on unless you do most of your sales direct to consumer.

No I just must be stupid. I get that it’s the raw material price that is outrageous now, but I figured with the increased price you’d be spending more in the early development when trying to nail down the flavor.

Compared to an encapsulated product you wouldn’t need to waste as much product during development since the flavor doesn’t matter. There’s a reason I don’t work in the nutrition market lol
 
I thought about a stand alone Senactiv for a long time but the interest in it as a single just hasn't seemed to be there. I'd love to do that one if enough people were interested.

Neurofactor isn't a possibility; at least not as Neurofactor. They have an exclusive now on that name and if you didn't already make one before they did that, you can't call it Neurofactor. The ingredient is still available to companies but the branded name can't be used.
I thought they just changed the name from NeuroFactor to CognatiQ..?
 
Hearing about the electrolyte label reminded me of the Olympus Lifestyle rebrand for a minute … lol - We would happily support your graphic design endeavors. You’ve never been one to offer great products and then water them down later.

What’s the benefits of solo Senactiv? I always feel with that and astragin it’s a better deal to just find a good EAA product with those already included. Is senactiv substantially different than Astragin or is it just semantics?
 
I thought they just changed the name from NeuroFactor to CognatiQ..?

They did basically rename it but the reason I explained is why they renamed it.

A lot of companies got upset about the way they went about that; I understood both sides and ultimately they're in business to make money. It just leads to a lot of consumer confusion.
 
No I just must be stupid. I get that it’s the raw material price that is outrageous now, but I figured with the increased price you’d be spending more in the early development when trying to nail down the flavor.

Compared to an encapsulated product you wouldn’t need to waste as much product during development since the flavor doesn’t matter. There’s a reason I don’t work in the nutrition market lol

Not stupid at all - I'm always glad to answer questions and explain things. You don't work in the industry so not knowing about things like that doesn't make you stupid at all.

The price of the raw materials is pretty trivial when you're talking about trying to nail down a flavor sample because you're only doing that on a small amount so that doesn't really factor into it very much.
 
Hearing about the electrolyte label reminded me of the Olympus Lifestyle rebrand for a minute … lol - We would happily support your graphic design endeavors. You’ve never been one to offer great products and then water them down later.

What’s the benefits of solo Senactiv? I always feel with that and astragin it’s a better deal to just find a good EAA product with those already included. Is senactiv substantially different than Astragin or is it just semantics?

The idea I had for the electrolyte product isn't anything like they were doing with OL. My idea originated from a particular sport that a friend of mines kids are very active in and we were discussing it a couple years back and their youngest daughter was probably 10 or 11 at the time and me and her were joking and throwing around some funny ideas and the idea for the label was born. I had tried a couple of different graphic artists that are good, but being a good graphic artist and being good at image creation like that are two different worlds.

If anyone reading happens to be good at stuff like that, feel free to contact me. I would still love to go with that type label idea bc it would be a lot of fun.

Senactiv is completely different than AstraGin. They accidentally confused a lot of people in the beginning by naming it ActiGin which lead people to believing it was more similar to AstraGin than it is. That's why they changed it to Senactiv.

AstraGin is for absorption enhancement.

Here is an excerpt that I wrote on Senactiv (ActiGin) awhile ago and there's been more research on it since then:


ActiGin® (also known as Senactiv®) is a natural patented proprietary sports nutraceutical complex comprised of highly fractionated Panax notoginseng and Rosa roxburghii and created using pharmaceutical grade extraction and processing technology and designed to be a 3 in 1 performance aid focusing on – Energy, Endurance, & Recovery.

ActiGin® is the result of more than 10 years of research. At the time of this writing, ActiGin® is backed by one in-vivo and five human clinical trials and the number of studies on this awesome ingredient continues to increase. ActiGin® has been clinically shown to increase endurance, VO2 Max, muscular energy (ATP production), and reduce inflammation in muscles.

Studies indicate that ActiGin’s effects on improving endurance/stamina, energy, and recovery time in high intensity exercises may be due to its ability to preserve insulin receptors and glucose transporters on muscle membranes during intensive exercises to ensure a continuous supply of blood glucose into the muscle. Glucose is the fuel for muscle during intense exercise. Depletion of glucose had detrimental effects on the muscles ability to contract and work properly. There are senescent (deteriorating) cells in all human tissues including short lived endothelial cells (lifespan < 2 weeks) in blood vessels and tissues. ActiGin® substantially reduced senescent cell population (mostly endothelial progenitor cells) of exercising skeletal muscle. Also, high intensity exercise acutely decreases satellite cell numbers due to increased demand on the nucleus for muscle regeneration and ActiGin® completely attenuated acute satellite cell depletion. These findings suggest that ActiGin® effectively facilitates senescent cell clearance in contracting muscles and helps maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance.

Study Highlights include:
  • Increased endurance time (time to exhaustion) by 20% (improve VO2 Max).
  • Increase energy (ATP production) but raising the pace-making Citrate synthase enzyme in the first step of the citric acid cycle by 42%.
  • Speed recovery by reducing inflammation in muscles as evidenced by the reduction of inflammatory biomarkers (TBARS (24%), MDA (44%), Interleukin 6 (IL-6) (35%), and Creatine kinase (CK) (69%)).
  • Eliminate senescent (deteriorating) muscle cells through macrophage phagocytosis (macrophage phagocytosis involves cells that protect the body by ingesting harmful particles and dead or dying cells). Specifically decreasing SA-B-gal and collagenase, reverse apoptotic DNA fragmentation and leukocyte infiltration, and increase iNOS and IL-6 mRNA expression in the quadriceps after 60 minutes of cycling at 70% VO2 max.
  • Effectively facilitating senescent (deteriorating) cell clearance in contracting muscles and helping maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance.
In short, ActiGin® is designed to help you train harder, longer, and recover more effectively.
 
They did basically rename it but the reason I explained is why they renamed it.

A lot of companies got upset about the way they went about that; I understood both sides and ultimately they're in business to make money. It just leads to a lot of consumer confusion.
So you would have to put it under the name of CognatiQ which is essentially the same ingredient right?
 
I’d love a well dosed adaptogen powder with plenty of mushrooms with chocolate and vanilla flavour I can mix into my coffee
 
Not stupid at all - I'm always glad to answer questions and explain things. You don't work in the industry so not knowing about things like that doesn't make you stupid at all.

The price of the raw materials is pretty trivial when you're talking about trying to nail down a flavor sample because you're only doing that on a small amount so that doesn't really factor into it very much.
I see now, not sure what I was thinking.. I suppose you're not making pallets of tubs when flavor testing are you? Lol if so then you have bigger problems.
 
I’d love a well dosed adaptogen powder with plenty of mushrooms with chocolate and vanilla flavour I can mix into my coffee
Yes I've been thinking of trying out various mushroom blends myself. I personally would prefer caps, but it may end up being too many? I've had some before I tried mixing in coffee but since I only like coffee black it didn't pair well. When I'm not cutting however, I do like to have a latte so that may work out better.
 
Yes I've been thinking of trying out various mushroom blends myself. I personally would prefer caps, but it may end up being too many? I've had some before I tried mixing in coffee but since I only like coffee black it didn't pair well. When I'm not cutting however, I do like to have a latte so that may work out better.
Flavoured correctly it’s like a treat. A company I won’t name out of respect to this thread has done a great job and I’m using there’s but would gladly switch to SNS if it came out with one
 
I think we've talked about this before. But a capped Focus-XT product would be something id be down for! I always enjoy great tasting products. But I find that its very convenient to have it in caps. Also easier to dose correctly and according to how much of the ingredients ive already gotten from pre workouts etc earlier in the day.

Currently im trying out one with this formula:

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Yes I've been thinking of trying out various mushroom blends myself. I personally would prefer caps, but it may end up being too many? I've had some before I tried mixing in coffee but since I only like coffee black it didn't pair well. When I'm not cutting however, I do like to have a latte so that may work out better.

A mushroom blend using the fruiting body could mean less dosage needed, therefore requiring less cap space
 
So you would have to put it under the name of CognatiQ which is essentially the same ingredient right?

Could either put it under the CognatiQ name or just generic name.

On my end, I don't dislike the ingredient but I'm also not overly excited about it either. Imo the benefit of a brand using Neurofactor is/was more about the name recognition of having Neurofactor in the product; and without being able to use the name, that appeal is gone. Ingredient wise, there are just a lot of other ingredients in the nootropic family that I prefer personally.

We may use it in something but if so, I definitely view it as a supporting ingredient more than an all-star one if that makes sense.
 
I’d love a well dosed adaptogen powder with plenty of mushrooms with chocolate and vanilla flavour I can mix into my coffee

If all goes well, you'll be very happy by the end of the year or Q1 of next year because we have both a mushroom capsule and powder product in the works :)
 
I see now, not sure what I was thinking.. I suppose you're not making pallets of tubs when flavor testing are you? Lol if so then you have bigger problems.

Flavor testing is normally done on a pretty small scale. A lot of times, it takes a lot of attempts to get right.

For non-protein related products, I'm pretty good with flavors and knowing what ingredients taste like separately and combined and what goes best with certain flavors or just isn't possible with certain flavors.

With proteins, the big companies that do the manufacturing can be together decent to good flavor samples pretty easily most of the time.
 
Yes I've been thinking of trying out various mushroom blends myself. I personally would prefer caps, but it may end up being too many? I've had some before I tried mixing in coffee but since I only like coffee black it didn't pair well. When I'm not cutting however, I do like to have a latte so that may work out better.

That's why we are going to do a capsule and powder form - to try to target both sides of the market on this.
 
Flavoured correctly it’s like a treat. A company I won’t name out of respect to this thread has done a great job and I’m using there’s but would gladly switch to SNS if it came out with one

Message me the name of the company if you don't mind. I'd like to see the formula and what they list as their flavor ingredients. Each mushroom generally has a distinct flavor to it so I'm curious what they're using as compared to what my formula is. A lot of companies base their ingredient profile on being able to achieve a good flavor. I want to get a good flavor but I want it to be a great formula first and foremost.
 
I think we've talked about this before. But a capped Focus-XT product would be something id be down for! I always enjoy great tasting products. But I find that its very convenient to have it in caps. Also easier to dose correctly and according to how much of the ingredients ive already gotten from pre workouts etc earlier in the day.

Currently im trying out one with this formula:

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We are looking at doing a capsule version of Focus XT. But its probably realistically a Q1 of next year product.

I'm honestly not a huge fan of the formula you posted; so if you like that, I think you'll love the ingredient panel I have in mind for one,
 
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