JKVol
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What’s the idea behind adding in salt? I’ve seen this but never tried it.
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What’s the idea behind adding in salt? I’ve seen this but never tried it.
Jeremyk1
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I always add salt to preworkout shakes. It’s for electrolyte balance. Sodium before and during workouts is beneficial due to the gradient your body maintains. Intercellular potassium and extra cellular sodium form a gradient for more or less electrical conductivity. Good for muscle contraction. On the other side, if you increase extra cellular potassium, it can actually do the opposite. You would need a lot to actually be detrimental, but before and during workouts, lean more toward sodium.
Hyde
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Stay hydrated & keep muscles full to maintain power, avoid cramps/injuries from dehydration, & get better pumps.
Also, less carbs you take in overall, more sodium you will need to accomplish these things.
Guys dieting hard or on ketogenic diets especially need even more sodium preWO. Best pump product there is.
BCseacow83
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Do you have the ingredient panel?
There fat burner looks like a nightmare for the Y sensitive with three forms and 15mg total per cap. I don't think I have ever seen that much lol.
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KvanH
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I think the label/ingridients haven't been released yet.
N2ofusion
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Is that legit? A lot of the ones on eBay with 10 mg advertised were deemed fake by reviewers
Oriza7
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Just finished whole thread as I am looking for a pwo as well.
Been a stim junkie over the years until past year. Had to take a long break cause nothing was having any effect anymore. Lol
Been on non stims for past year or so. Ready to get that rush again.
What intrigued me the most from thread was Zeus. Didn't read anything bad from it so far.
I workout in mornings and looking for that rush with a feel good mood. Obviously no crash afterwards. Recommend Zeus to get back on Stims? Any more feedback would be much appreciated.
Been a stim junkie over the years until past year. Had to take a long break cause nothing was having any effect anymore. Lol
Been on non stims for past year or so. Ready to get that rush again.
What intrigued me the most from thread was Zeus. Didn't read anything bad from it so far.
I workout in mornings and looking for that rush with a feel good mood. Obviously no crash afterwards. Recommend Zeus to get back on Stims? Any more feedback would be much appreciated.
ELROCK
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Zeus should be a good one for you because it is strong, but I never get overstimulated by it. It’s a smooth energy with a mood boost. It’s not euphoric like a dmaa product, but those all seem to come with a noticeable crash.
Oriza7
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Thanks. Very curious about it. Not looking to get overstimulated also. Think those times are over as I get older. Lol
Read about Wild Thing as well. Have you gave that a whirl?
ELROCK
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I haven’t tried Wild Thing. Looks pretty good.
BCseacow83
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I pulled it from their own website so I hope that it's legit lol.
N2ofusion
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Just wondering if the product really has that advertised dose. That’s a LOT of Y but there’s little to no reviews from what I’ve seen
Jstrong20
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Don’t know why they would change it. Crack and crack gold are my favorites. She not see how it could be any better actually.
Oriza7
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Agreed. Might have to give a try though. I'll touch base if I do.
BCseacow83
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If you are comparing it to the current version of jacked which is this:
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Then they are pretty darn close and are both made by the same parent company so likely pretty close. If you add the weight of the USP labs one at three scoops it equals the same 12,435mg so pretty close. If you are still not sure I would encourage you to keep looking at the current USP labs one is back in stock at a few places in select flavors.
Oriza7
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Have you tried the USP labs version? Doubt it has same effects as the OG but I was curious to know the comparison. Yes, if I would give it a try, I would do the USP version.
Iwilleattuna
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I'm considering just picking up pure dmha liquid from science.bio as bulkstimulants appears to be bunk stimulants from the reviews. I just don't like the flavors and artificial ingredients of pre workout anymore. DMHA + coffee
Segansational
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You try something like Death Wish Coffee before? It's like 300 mg caffeine in a serving, so similar to a lot of pre-WO these days.
BCseacow83
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I do something similar some of the time: 2 SNS eria-jarensis, 1-2 SNS synephrine, and 2.5mg yohimbine(I tolerate this dose perfectly but never go up really.) This is often my pre-cardio "stack" when I have had a coffee or energy drink. I for some reason prefer these in cap form as you can really dial in the dose. I do like DMHA but it does leave me feeling for drained the next day than the above, like I drained the battery a little too low kind of feeling lol.
Jeremyk1
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This was originally released as a clone of the old jack3d formula, DMAA and all. When Hi Tech had their run in with the FDA, they had to pull DMAA and re released this with DMHA instead. They also make the new jack3d formula, they just bought the rights to the USPlabs name. Very similar, I kinda like both, but I think I prefer the USP one. Not super strong, but not bad. Taste is good. But caffeine is something like 135mg per scoop, so you may find you need many scoops.
BCseacow83
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I have had the DMAA original version and the latest version from hi-tech. I like them both and yes they do feel different but not in a bad way. I took the original almost 20 years ago at this point so EVERYTHING feels different when you are older lol.
Pro's of the current
FAR LESS crash for sure and very little "burnt out" feeling the next day.
Pro's of the OG
More euphoric.
When it comes to DMHA I think mesomorph is stronger but I never went to the full three scoops of the current jacked so I can't say definitively.
I have to laugh because people are always talking about missing out on the OG DMAA but back then there were so many threads of people who HATED it and were desperately looking for a pre without it lol. 10 years from now everyone will be sad they missed DMHA, I would bet the farm on it lol.
Hyde
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I said it before in here, but now is the Golden Era. If you can’t find a great ride for training right now, you just aren’t looking under the right rocks.
muscleman
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Catuaba is 15% in one my favourite yerbamate blends callaed La Potente. Cautuab strengthening the nervesystem as well as the aphrodisiac system
muscleman
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I wonder how many years its gonna take until we read about the next Excelsior in here?
Driven Craze was pulled 2013 and in 2017 Excelsior came I gave up looking for the next Craze after having found CRZ the O.G and found Excelsior only summer 2020 only to realise its gone again now...
Driven Craze was pulled 2013 and in 2017 Excelsior came I gave up looking for the next Craze after having found CRZ the O.G and found Excelsior only summer 2020 only to realise its gone again now...
Drakee
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here it is bro
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ELROCK
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I like the profile on Crack Gold better.
Iwilleattuna
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I’ve had it. It’s good lol. I like dmha though judging on how I responded to condemned Labz convict.
Irishobrien
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2 scoops looks like heart attack territory
BCseacow83
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Highest dose of n-phenethyl-dimethylamine I have ever seen. I have personally never taken more than 300mg at a time.......I wonder if half a gram is where "the magic happens?" lol I would personally like to see less caffeine and more of other ingredients but that is just me. Hup-a could be more too IMO. I never understand why companies, once again IMO, underdose that one as its not like it takes up too much space.
Irishobrien
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Accounting for the MW of citrate, you’re looking at close to 470 mg+ of caffeine in 2 scoops. That obnoxious, IMO.
BCseacow83
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I will sit and drink two 300mg energy drinks more often then I should. Now this results in ZERO increase in BP and HR for me personally but slamming that much in less than 10 seconds will for most be on the high side. I know they have done studies with 600mg for performance enhancement so there is that lol.
As I said I would prefer less as for me it simply does little to nothing past a certain point. I would much rather see higher doses of pea, hup-a and a couple of grams of tyrosine.
Many of the customers I have helped do not even know of any stimulants beyond caffeine so for many they will look at this as super strong because of the caffeine alone. You would be surprised how many people do not know what a stimulant even is. And the "caffeine arms race" continues. I remember people saying the same thing when companies started using 300 lol.
Foxx13
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Been using Zeus and Defiant PW and they are OK. Mesomorph seems to be better for me. I also got Burnt Out and only tried it once so far. The best stim I used was Amp Citrate. Crazy focus and no crash, that about 6-8 years ago. Haven’t really been impressed with any PW workout lately.
KvanH
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Amp Citrate (DMBA) one of my favorites too. Haven't seen it anywhere in years.
Hyde
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Couldn’t do that stuff for training.
Good euphoria, but the heart rate increase and increased sweating ended up sapping any extra energy it may have provided in training. It was solid though as a “fat burner” ingredient for appetite suppression & mood lift.
Zoo did a limited run within the last couple years as I recall of Amp Citrate, Spook (everything in the series was ghosts, ghouls, undead-themed).
KvanH
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We were discussing Amp Citrate and the differences on individual response to stims on the Excelsior - thread earlier today and my experience is pretty much the opposite of yours and the other member in that thread. I didn't really get any euphoria from Amp C, but no sides to note either. Nice clean energy and thus perfect for (occasional) preWO boost.
Kind of funny how these things work.
ELROCK
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I like amp citrate. For me it is a nice mood boost with energy. I notice increased body temp and increased sweating for sure. No real change in HR and no noticeable crash for me.
Hyde
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It was good for no crash
wfreiling
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I haven’t used in a long time. I have an opened bottle too.
muscleman
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The artificial ingredients have been feeling worse and worse the longer I took them. Some studies showing aspartame etc... is toxic at some level. I don´t mind a bit of bitter kigelia africana powder that I got in bulk from Sportpoeders but not that fond of the ingredient anyhow
Iwilleattuna
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yup, way too sweet these days especially with the bigger companies and daily pres. I like getting a light pre . Most companies try and cover up all of the ingredients with that method. Condemned Labz convict is my favorite . Hits well , has dmha and not overly flavored/sweetened. I just want the effects . I don’t care about taste at all but I notice if it’s overly palatable , it kinda bloats me and makes me feel bad.
MikeSumthin
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"Good" preworkout meaning strong stim??
GNC and Vitamin Shoppe carry "Redcon1", "Ghost", and "Optimum Nutrition"
Nodus1
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It might depend upon where you are based and how willing and able you are to travel. There may be independent shops or gyms in your area which sell well-dosed Pres.
imcamlost
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Quite like it, here in Brazil there are not that many substances allowed in preworkout, so they mostly consist of 420mg cafeinne, 1-2g beta, 1-2g arginine and so. So pretty incomplete comparing to some you guys posted here, with some strange name substances. These brands there I already know, but they are "mainstream" so the price is more about brand name, and not the most complete pres right? The better one we can find here is Psychotic from insane labz. So anything good or better than it would be good.