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How is that? He wanted just the stims and not to have to drink a large amount of powder............so essentially the contents of a capped stim, lol. What am I missing here?

If I am still raining on a parade grab an umbrella lol.
lmao….i was just meaning in terms of the overall thread subject and more so your first comment. lol but anyway, umbrella in hand sir. lol
 
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New Juice Daddy by Vicious Labs @ZOO is pretty good if you like Stims

posted by review here >

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I haven’t ordered mine yet, but it will be a definite purchase for me.
 
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Looks like Mesomorph is now being restocked at most places. Tried a sample of the latest version and liked it. Not sure if I should get Rocket Pop or Snow Cone.
 

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So I have a question. Do these obscure spiked pre workouts even light a candle to the OG jack3d , or craze? Sad I never got to try jack3d :(
 
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So I have a question. Do these obscure spiked pre workouts even light a candle to the OG jack3d , or craze? Sad I never got to try jack3d :(
Yes and No. On a pure strength of stimulation yes they are as strong with some being considerably stronger IMO(I have used almost all the big pre's since 1999.) NO in the sense that almost nothing subjectively feels exactly the same.

I will use an extreme example: There are illegal stims out there that are MUCH stronger than good ole cocaine. Meth, MDPV, and probably a whole host of other RC compounds are far more potent. Are they "better" subjectively from a user's point of view and not a binding assay/reuptake inhibition/or Norepi/Dopamine releasing sense????

I started with the original Ultimate Orange and Ripped Fuel and have used everything from then to now. There are things I really like about the current generation and things I miss about the older products. I assure you your life would NOT be any more complete had you experienced the old products you missed than it would had you been able to use the original Parabolan circa France 1980 or had you watched the OG Star Wars in the theater on opening weekend..........you get the point lol.

Enjoy what we have access to now as there is a very good chance 15 years from now you may be lamenting the loss of what we currently have lol.
 
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Yes and No. On a pure strength of stimulation yes they are as strong with some being considerably stronger IMO(I have used almost all the big pre's since 1999.) NO in the sense that almost nothing subjectively feels exactly the same.

I will use an extreme example: There are illegal stims out there that are MUCH stronger than good ole cocaine. Meth, MDPV, and probably a whole host of other RC compounds are far more potent. Are they "better" subjectively from a user's point of view and not a binding assay/reuptake inhibition/or Norepi/Dopamine releasing sense????

I started with the original Ultimate Orange and Ripped Fuel and have used everything from then to now. There are things I really like about the current generation and things I miss about the older products. I assure you your life would NOT be any more complete had you experienced the old products you missed than it would had you been able to use the original Parabolan circa France 1980 or had you watched the OG Star Wars in the theater on opening weekend..........you get the point lol.

Enjoy what we have access to now as there is a very good chance 15 years from now you may be lamenting the loss of what we currently have lol.
Got me in the feels with this one.

Guys talking like they missed the good ol’ days of 1-Andro being legal, when they can go to RC sites these days and in 5 minutes have enough oil-based Trest , Dien, SARMs & oral solutions of designers coming into their possession to get as physically large as they ever possibly could with traditional AAS. I mean stuff literally strong as it gets overall, if you can take the sides/health hit. With all the ancillaries out there too, peptides and what not, designer preWOs.

THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE!
 
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Got me in the feels with this one.

Guys talking like they missed the good ol’ days of 1-Andro being legal, when they can go to RC sites these days and in 5 minutes have enough oil-based Trest , Dien, SARMs & oral solutions of designers coming into their possession to get as physically large as they ever possibly could with traditional AAS. I mean stuff literally strong as it gets overall, if you can take the sides/health hit. With all the ancillaries out there too, peptides and what not, designer preWOs.

THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE!
i have to agree
 

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Got me in the feels with this one.

Guys talking like they missed the good ol’ days of 1-Andro being legal, when they can go to RC sites these days and in 5 minutes have enough oil-based Trest , Dien, SARMs & oral solutions of designers coming into their possession to get as physically large as they ever possibly could with traditional AAS. I mean stuff literally strong as it gets overall, if you can take the sides/health hit. With all the ancillaries out there too, peptides and what not, designer preWOs.

THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE!
Agreed. I think people get a little caught up in the past due to nostalgia.

I just wanted to see how jack3d/craze compares lol
 

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Yes and No. On a pure strength of stimulation yes they are as strong with some being considerably stronger IMO(I have used almost all the big pre's since 1999.) NO in the sense that almost nothing subjectively feels exactly the same.

I will use an extreme example: There are illegal stims out there that are MUCH stronger than good ole cocaine. Meth, MDPV, and probably a whole host of other RC compounds are far more potent. Are they "better" subjectively from a user's point of view and not a binding assay/reuptake inhibition/or Norepi/Dopamine releasing sense????

I started with the original Ultimate Orange and Ripped Fuel and have used everything from then to now. There are things I really like about the current generation and things I miss about the older products. I assure you your life would NOT be any more complete had you experienced the old products you missed than it would had you been able to use the original Parabolan circa France 1980 or had you watched the OG Star Wars in the theater on opening weekend..........you get the point lol.

Enjoy what we have access to now as there is a very good chance 15 years from now you may be lamenting the loss of what we currently have lol.
Man, I read about those lol. Everyone said it beats all ugl tren and even felt different. But you're right , long gone and have to make the best of the present.

I did see LOTR Return of the King on opening day :D
 

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Looks like Mesomorph is now being restocked at most places. Tried a sample of the latest version and liked it. Not sure if I should get Rocket Pop or Snow Cone.
I feel like they put the most effort into flavoring rocket pop and it’s pretty good at masking whatever it’s natural taste is. I did not try snow cone but Tutti Fruiti was a big disappointment for me flavor wise (on mesomorph specifically)
 
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I feel like they put the most effort into flavoring rocket pop and it’s pretty good at masking whatever it’s natural taste is. I did not try snow cone but Tutti Fruiti was a big disappointment for me flavor wise (on mesomorph specifically)
idk what version of meso it was….but it was when tutti fruiti first came out and it was atrocious
 
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I feel like they put the most effort into flavoring rocket pop and it’s pretty good at masking whatever it’s natural taste is. I did not try snow cone but Tutti Fruiti was a big disappointment for me flavor wise (on mesomorph specifically)
Good to know. I'm torn between both flavors. I guess Rocket Pop might be the safer choice. Snow Cone does intrigue me though. Can't really find many reviews on the flavor.
 

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Mesomorph v4 - I really struggle to down Rocket Pop. Tutti Fruiti was slightly easier to drink. I'm using Grape at the moment - while not great, I find it easier than either of those.
 
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Anyone try Static Labs 1,3 voltage?
If this is the version you are looking at these are my thoughts:
1'3 Volt is not a dietary supplement. It is intended for lab use only. It is not intended or recommended for human consumption.
Beta-Alanine (6.4g) ???? Not sure why, other than having the most instant "feels," you would formulate with 2x BA and
Citrulline Malate 2:1 (3.6g) ???? only half the CM one would ideally like to have???
Betaine Anhydrous (2.5g) No issue here I like more personally but for a pre 2.5 is a quality dose.
L-Taurine (1g) More is better here for me as well but 1g is not wrong per say
Caffeine Anhydrous (400mg) I personally would prefer lower per serving but higher numbers sell plain and simple.
Alpha GPC (300mg) Is this 50% so really 150mg? Or is this 600 total at 50% giving 300 total??? No matter what incorrectly labeled........ was it a dietary supplement lol.
1'3 DMAA (100mg) Plenty of DMAA to go around and IMO the perfect amount for one to half scoop this product.
Noopept (30mg) Plenty and once again even at half scoop you get enough for an effect.

Overall I would personally half scoop and add in more pump/performance ingredients. Half scoop with added Peak O2 and some CM would be a perfect product for my needs.

From a pure stim standpoint if the label is accurate this should hit pretty hard and I do like the noopept on top of the stims.
 
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Anyone have any recommendations for a "above" Daily pre that has great energy/focus but no Alpha Y (chit gives me the cold sweat borderline panic attack gag) ...

Yo HCL is perfectly fine with me tho.
 
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Anyone have any recommendations for a "above" Daily pre that has great energy/focus but no Alpha Y (chit gives me the cold sweat borderline panic attack gag) ...

Yo HCL is perfectly fine with me tho.
I was surprisely impressed by BZRK Voodoo with phenibut and CatuAba. Good energy with focus prospective. Phenibut isn't something I would use every day though. Killer Labz Executioner is also great as DD
 

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If this is the version you are looking at these are my thoughts:
1'3 Volt is not a dietary supplement. It is intended for lab use only. It is not intended or recommended for human consumption.
Beta-Alanine (6.4g) ???? Not sure why, other than having the most instant "feels," you would formulate with 2x BA and
Citrulline Malate 2:1 (3.6g) ???? only half the CM one would ideally like to have???
Betaine Anhydrous (2.5g) No issue here I like more personally but for a pre 2.5 is a quality dose.
L-Taurine (1g) More is better here for me as well but 1g is not wrong per say
Caffeine Anhydrous (400mg) I personally would prefer lower per serving but higher numbers sell plain and simple.
Alpha GPC (300mg) Is this 50% so really 150mg? Or is this 600 total at 50% giving 300 total??? No matter what incorrectly labeled........ was it a dietary supplement lol.
1'3 DMAA (100mg) Plenty of DMAA to go around and IMO the perfect amount for one to half scoop this product.
Noopept (30mg) Plenty and once again even at half scoop you get enough for an effect.

Overall I would personally half scoop and add in more pump/performance ingredients. Half scoop with added Peak O2 and some CM would be a perfect product for my needs.

From a pure stim standpoint if the label is accurate this should hit pretty hard and I do like the noopept on top of the stims.
Any crash? I've seen a few reviews saying they crashed halfway thru workout.
 
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FYI….If I get a bad tasting PRE, I put a little flavored squirt additive in it. Usually something orange flavored works well with most any Pre.
 
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FYI….If I get a bad tasting PRE, I put a little flavored squirt additive in it. Usually something orange flavored works well with most any Pre.
i’ve been experimenting with this type of thing also. i bought skittles flavored drink packets off amazon and those have made some things bearable enough to use the product. they are very sweet though, so beware if you go this route lol.
 
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Any crash? I've seen a few reviews saying they crashed halfway thru workout.
Most people will notice a crash with DMAA. That’s why I prefer a combo of DMHA and eria J because not usually notice a crash with them.
 
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God Status Zeus.
Defiant Unleashed.

Just the first two that came to mind.
Edit: I would add God status Leviathan, Centurion God of Rage and Bottle Rocket to the list I mentioned. Review the ingredients of these I just mentioned because they may include things you don’t want to touch.
 
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If I get a bad tasting pre I do the exact same thing I do with all of my pres and chug it.
I don’t drink enough water, especially in the winter so I just add a little flavor to it. If you like Orange, Tang is really good and it’s highly concentrated so it just takes a little.
 
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I don’t drink enough water, especially in the winter so I just add a little flavor to it. If you like Orange, Tang is really good and it’s highly concentrated so it just takes a little.
I do enjoy orange tang flavor.
 

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Have you tried to Snow Cone flavor for that? If so, any good?
You talking about Defiant? I don’t remember which flavors I tried, it’s been over a year, but I remember them all being surprisingly good. Wasn’t expecting much with the packed formula, but I liked most of them.
 
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Edit: I would add God status Leviathan, Centurion God of Rage and Bottle Rocket to the list I mentioned. Review the ingredients of these I just mentioned because they may include things you don’t want to touch.
Have you tried God of Rage? Any good?
 
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It is good stuff. Got several samples at the Olympia and nearly bought a tub; I was just stocked up on pre’s at the time.
Good to know. They just dropped a limited edition Rocket Pop flavor so maybe I'll jump on it.
 

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FYI….If I get a bad tasting PRE, I put a little flavored squirt additive in it. Usually something orange flavored works well with most any Pre.
I’ve made that a 100% of the time habit with almost any powdered product. I can stretch out the serving and get more hydration too. No downside for me the way I look at it. (Also using a home gym so bathroom breaks are fine)
 
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What? No one dry scoops their pre's anymore? That was a huge trend a few years ago along w adding thee ol Himalayan pink salt to them...
 
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I think everyone still adds pink salt. Maybe not as much as 5 years ago, but it’s still somewhat trendy.
Wasting their money & missing out on thyroid support - iodized salt costs nothing and people avoiding it are probably not getting enough unless supplementing with iodine drops or kelp.
 
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Wasting their money & missing out on thyroid support - iodized salt costs nothing and people avoiding it are probably not getting enough unless supplementing with iodine drops or kelp.
salt is the devil
 

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