Wife Has COVID-19

who gives a fvck if the guy takes it seriously or not-if he is sick he deserves to be treated-this isn't the philippines in the 80s where people without money are brought to hospitals to die...if someone says they don't believe smoking is harmful they still get treated when they get motherfucking cancer..this is bullshyt--the guy is sick what the fvck does what the fuvk he believes in fvking matter.

My concern is different than you took it. What I am getting at is since the guy is 38 and no underlying health issues present, was Covid so bad for him because he acted as though he wasn’t sick which is what landed him in the hospital.

This whole medical treatment I hear about with unvaccinated people is disgusting and it makes me wonder how many times a medical staff took less than optimal care of a patient because they disagreed with their choices…but as I said that’s completely separate from what I am trying to unpack with my initial question.

Make sense?
 
You know I wonder if the people who say they don’t believe in it do not take it serious and exacerbate the effects of the virus. Like second I got I rested, took meds, supps, breathing steam, proning, essentially anything that could help. I hate being sick. I’m a prototypical guy from the memes who gets the sniffles and is upset lol. I still say it wasn’t too bad for me and I’ve been sicker several times in my life, but I took it serious.

Any thoughts on my hypothesis? Have you gotten feedback in line with it from these patients?
No, I seldom hear/read about any detailed self or outpatient care. It’s just not essential to my job and I have to fly from one thing to the next. I guess it goes without saying these patients would not be that proactive in self or outpatient care though, and all of that is certainly very important. Maybe such patients did view it as just a cold/flu (likely), but as we saw with Delta, it can go from bad to worse to deadly in a matter of a day. That’s probably the part they can’t grasp as being a potential reality.
 
My concern is different than you took it. What I am getting at is since the guy is 38 and no underlying health issues present, was Covid so bad for him because he acted as though he wasn’t sick which is what landed him in the hospital.

This whole medical treatment I hear about with unvaccinated people is disgusting and it makes me wonder how many times a medical staff took less than optimal care of a patient because they disagreed with their choices…but as I said that’s completely separate from what I am trying to unpack with my initial question.

Make sense?
i agree.

like the horror stories about how alzheimers patients are treated-they are nasty-assed people in healthcare just like every other line of work....look up orville lynn majors-he killed my uncle.
 
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then you should be motherfucking fired....as if in every line of work people don't have to put up with attitude-what makes you so fucking high and mighty?

look at the crap cops have to put up with.
Your being delusional. If I am entering the room to help a patient and they give me or any of my coworkers attitude despite the countless hours we have spent taking care of their asses. We ultimately can’t force people to take our advice, and we don’t have to take abuse from patients nor are we expected to.
 
i think people in healthcare are getting big fucking heads.

Hey man I think I have to look for a new family doctor. Dude is vax happy. Family went for a check up who already beat Covid and once he asked about the shot that’s all the appointment became and the doctor was done helping. Might just try to schedule bloods and do all telemeds and urgent cares from here on out if labs have any issues. I don’t know it’s crazy.
 
No, I seldom hear/read about any detailed self or outpatient care. It’s just not essential to my job and I have to fly from one thing to the next. I guess it goes without saying these patients would not be that proactive in self or outpatient care though, and all of that is certainly very important. Maybe such patients did view it as just a cold/flu (likely), but as we saw with Delta, it can go from bad to worse to deadly in a matter of a day. That’s probably the part they can’t grasp as being a potential reality.

Makes sense. I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t believe it exists but I can’t imagine such a person doing anything to help themselves at the onset of the virus.
 
Makes sense. I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t believe it exists but I can’t imagine such a person doing anything to help themselves at the onset of the virus.
tell me you haven't seen someone with copd or emphysema smoking a cigarette?

tell me you haven't seen a 400lb person eating macdonalds?

tell me you have never heard of a guy who has overdosed numerous times?

tell me you've never heard of a diabetic drinking cokes and eating doughnuts?

funny thing, no one is saying they should be denied medical treatment-eh?
 
My concern is different than you took it. What I am getting at is since the guy is 38 and no underlying health issues present, was Covid so bad for him because he acted as though he wasn’t sick which is what landed him in the hospital.

This whole medical treatment I hear about with unvaccinated people is disgusting and it makes me wonder how many times a medical staff took less than optimal care of a patient because they disagreed with their choices…but as I said that’s completely separate from what I am trying to unpack with my initial question.

Make sense?
He definitely had an underlying health condition- obesity. Not overly huge though…like 30 BMI?

I have heard/read about instances of the unvaccinated claiming to be treated less fairly than the vaccinated, but it goes both ways. While it hasn’t been a huge problem at my hospital there is a very real subset of the unvaccinated that can be very difficult to deal with in terms of aggression, doing ignorant things like removing their oxygen, and other treatment obstacles. If people treat you like ****, do nothing but complain, claim everything is lies, and don’t want to help themselves, you tend to not be all that engaged about going in there when there are plenty of other patients who want your help to do everything possible to get better. In other words, they haven’t exactly put forth a positive vibe as a patient population in the hospital when space and staff is limited.

To receive optimal care, you have to also participate in optimal care. The relationship doesn’t work to well when the patient is fighting every aspect of the care they supposedly are there to receive.
 
No, I seldom hear/read about any detailed self or outpatient care. It’s just not essential to my job and I have to fly from one thing to the next. I guess it goes without saying these patients would not be that proactive in self or outpatient care though, and all of that is certainly very important. Maybe such patients did view it as just a cold/flu (likely), but as we saw with Delta, it can go from bad to worse to deadly in a matter of a day. That’s probably the part they can’t grasp as being a potential reality.

Kinda how you can get the shot and go from perfectly healthy to 'ahh muh heart' in 24hrs? Difference is, covid has that effect on unhealthy people; the vax can have that effect on healthy people who aren't statistically at risk from covid. Go figure.
 
Everyone in these kind of trauma circumstances is offered spiritual counseling etc. I’m not sure he would accept any though. He’s either going to turn into a thankful patient, or someone that gives everyone the finger up until the point he is discharged or leaves AMA. If I have him on the floors I won’t put up with any attitude. None..

If I was admitted with covid, and you offered me 'spiritual counseling', I wouldn't give you attitude, I'd slap you. No wonder people are dying from covid, with that approach.

It's like my UCLA doc who told me, when I was 32yo, that my herniated disc was a game changer, and I'd never exercise again (not only was that incorrect, but I later earned a black belt in judo, and transitioned to bjj last year). Or the other UCLA doc who called my wife in after a biopsy, handed her a box of kleenex, and said 'you should prepare your will, your cancer is back' (it wasn't).

One of the top 2 comorbidities of covid is fear/anxiety. Your approach literally plays off of fears.
 
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Today I witnessed the most dramatic recovery in an unvaccinated COVID patient I have experienced since the very beginning of the pandemic.

It’s a 38 year old who came in not believing in COVID, the vaccine, and was one of those extra special treats that berated the people trying to care for him as he was too proud to admit to himself that he was wrong. Within 24 hours of presenting to the ED, he was maxed out on 100% oxygen/BIPAP and was intubated/placed on a ventilator. His lungs were so severely impacted, that he suffered bilateral pneumothoraces within days due to the high pressures needed to oxygenate him.

Weeks later, he did get better and was ready to be taken off the ventilator. Subsequent to being removed from the ventilator, his oxygen requirements unexpectedly increased again and he coded. CPR was utilized successfully and he found himself back on a ventilator for another few weeks.

He was removed from the ventilator for a second time a few weeks ago and still had a very rough ride of bouncing between BIPAP and High-Flow oxygen. He was too weak to talk, swallow food, or cough up any of his secretions. He received a feeding tube and RT had to utilize a machine that mimics coughing for him. 3 days ago, this was where he was at when I had him, but he was too short of breath to even be off be off BIPAP. In this timeframe, someone also had to inform him that his father contracted COVID in the meantime and suffered from a stroke that took his life.

I stopped by the ICU and couldn’t believe it when I saw him being brought out of the ICU in a wheelchair without any oxygen and people saying he is doing very well. He was definitely one of those people I was expecting to die for a very long time now. What I don’t know, is how he is currently treating his healthcare team, but I’m sure it won’t be long before I find out.


See, just goes to show you that the boomer remover is fake.
 
You know I wonder if the people who say they don’t believe in it do not take it serious and exacerbate the effects of the virus. Like second I got I rested, took meds, supps, breathing steam, proning, essentially anything that could help. I hate being sick. I’m a prototypical guy from the memes who gets the sniffles and is upset lol. I still say it wasn’t too bad for me and I’ve been sicker several times in my life, but I took it serious.

Any thoughts on my hypothesis? Have you gotten feedback in line with it from these patients?


Generally speaking I think it's 100% the opposite. Our physical health is so connected to our mental health that I have zero doubt plenty of people literally rolled over and died from COVID because they were convinced from day 1 that it was GOING to kill them. I'm not saying every covid denier, or every bull in a china house type like me comes out of COVID completely unscathed, but I do think your mental state when you go into it plays a big role.
 
Generally speaking I think it's 100% the opposite. Our physical health is so connected to our mental health that I have zero doubt plenty of people literally rolled over and died from COVID because they were convinced from day 1 that it was GOING to kill them. I'm not saying every covid denier, or every bull in a china house type like me comes out of COVID completely unscathed, but I do think your mental state when you go into it plays a big role.

Studied and proven.

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The strongest risk factors for death were obesity (adjusted risk ratio [aRR] = 1.30; 95% CI, 1.27–1.33), anxiety and fear-related disorders (aRR = 1.28; 95% CI, 1.25–1.31), and diabetes with complication

In other words, a mental issue is as affecting as a biomechanical issue. Yeah no ****, this has been known for millennia: scare people and their health suffers.

Panic Porn Purveying motherfuckers. 'hi, we are admitting you for covid, the priest/minister/rabbi/imam will be here shortly to help' /voodoomedicine
 
oh thats right I forgot that they also found a decrease in hospitalization for covid with the administering of anxiety / depression meds. which to me, is pretty telling as well.
 
surprise!!!!

well actually i guess no one should be surprised that the at home covid tests the U.S government is sending out are made in china....i wonder if biden is getting kickbacks or maybe hunter?

the accuracy is already in question...
 
if you need to get a covid test here you need to go to the county fairgrounds...a story just ran on todays news news that up to 70% of tests were false positives--and many are complaining that results are taking up to 7 days to get back.
 
'virginia hospital denies unvaccinated man spot on active kidney transplant list' ...despite his prior infection and recovery.



he will die without transplant....ever hear of larry hagman?
 
'virginia hospital denies unvaccinated man spot on active kidney transplant list' ...despite his prior infection and recovery.



he will die without transplant....ever hear of larry hagman?

yeah another heart dude was denied heart transplant for the same reason.
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My daughter got called into the office yesterday because I haven't registered her for weekly testing. We also received 2 calls and a very pointed SIGN UP NOW email direct from the assistant principle. I sent this email this morning:

Quote:
Good morning!

I understand there is a push for students to be registered by their parents for weekly covid testing. I'm not comfortable with this for several reasons:

- My daughter is not a lab rat
- I'm not comfortable with medical procedures like this being performed by random individuals at school
- I will not allow her DNA to be distributed weekly by a 'pop-up' style business like LFN to unknown, uncontrolled destinations
- No covid tests are FDA approved; they are merely authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization, which expressly states their usage cannot be forced.

I understand the fear some parents and staff may harbor, despite all staff and students being vaccinated and wearing high quality masks, so we will be happy to continue to test at home and mail in results as we have successfully done until now.
Did I do OK? Miss anything?
 
My daughter got called into the office yesterday because I haven't registered her for weekly testing. We also received 2 calls and a very pointed SIGN UP NOW email direct from the assistant principle. I sent this email this morning:

Quote:
Good morning!

I understand there is a push for students to be registered by their parents for weekly covid testing. I'm not comfortable with this for several reasons:

- My daughter is not a lab rat
- I'm not comfortable with medical procedures like this being performed by random individuals at school
- I will not allow her DNA to be distributed weekly by a 'pop-up' style business like LFN to unknown, uncontrolled destinations
- No covid tests are FDA approved; they are merely authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization, which expressly states their usage cannot be forced.

I understand the fear some parents and staff may harbor, despite all staff and students being vaccinated and wearing high quality masks, so we will be happy to continue to test at home and mail in results as we have successfully done until now.
Did I do OK? Miss anything?


See if you can get good documentation supporting @thebigt 's comment above about 70% false positive results as well maybe?
 
See if you can get good documentation supporting @thebigt 's comment above about 70% false positive results as well maybe?

I see that spoken about, but no studies or 'acceptable' sources I can forward to school admin. LMK if someone has one.

I honestly was trying to be super diplomatic and keep it about me, instead of attacking their mandates, like I want to. I hesitated to include that EUA bullet point, even, because I don't want to turn it into a negative attack against them.....yet. The ball is in their court.
 
My daughters friend I mentioned before whos parents are branch covidians has had what seems like the fatigue and haze many I know, myself included, got from covaids. She is kinda pissed at her parents.

Anyone else seeing this? Spike protein causing this possibly? My wife said it’s been going on almost a week now where she isn’t herself. Wife sees her at kid time. She talked to one of the teachers who noticed the same thing but for obvious reasons didn’t want to say anything.

I don’t know many parents willing to experiment on their healthy kids so I don’t have much to go off of.
 
DMED is the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Branch’s (AFHSB) “web-based tool to remotely query de-identified active component personnel and medical event data contained within the Defense Medical Surveillance System (DMSS).” In other words, it contains every ICD medical billing code for any medical diagnosis in the military submitted for medical insurance billing during any given period of time. Three military doctors have presented queried data to Renz that shows a shocking and sudden spike in nearly every ICD code for common vaccine injuries in 2021.

In a declaration under penalty of perjury that Renz plans to use in federal court, Drs. Samuel Sigoloff, Peter Chambers, and Theresa Long — three military doctors — revealed that there has been a 300% increase in DMED codes registered for miscarriages in the military in 2021 over the five-year average. The five-year average was 1,499 codes for miscarriages per year. During the first 10 months of 2021, it was 4,182. As Renz explained to me in an interview with TheBlaze, these doctors queried the numbers for hundreds of codes from 2016 through 2020 to establish a baseline five-year average. These codes were generally for ailments and injuries that medical literature has established as being potential adverse effects of the vaccines.

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My daughter got called into the office yesterday because I haven't registered her for weekly testing. We also received 2 calls and a very pointed SIGN UP NOW email direct from the assistant principle. I sent this email this morning:

Quote:
Good morning!

I understand there is a push for students to be registered by their parents for weekly covid testing. I'm not comfortable with this for several reasons:

- My daughter is not a lab rat
- I'm not comfortable with medical procedures like this being performed by random individuals at school
- I will not allow her DNA to be distributed weekly by a 'pop-up' style business like LFN to unknown, uncontrolled destinations
- No covid tests are FDA approved; they are merely authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization, which expressly states their usage cannot be forced.

I understand the fear some parents and staff may harbor, despite all staff and students being vaccinated and wearing high quality masks, so we will be happy to continue to test at home and mail in results as we have successfully done until now.
Did I do OK? Miss anything?

The response:

Thank you Mr. poison,

Please test at home each Tuesday night and email the results and your student's name to the .org email address each Tuesday night.


Frankly, I'm shocked, and happy. I didn't think they would respond that way.
 
The response:

Thank you Mr. poison,

Please test at home each Tuesday night and email the results and your student's name to the .org email address each Tuesday night.


Frankly, I'm shocked, and happy. I didn't think they would respond that way.

My understanding is that schools, like hospitals, have also received massive federal bailout money from covid stimulus but only get to keep it if they find a way to follow federal mandated rules so they could totally agree with you, but need to find some way to maintain "compliance".
 
My daughters friend I mentioned before whos parents are branch covidians has had what seems like the fatigue and haze many I know, myself included, got from covaids. She is kinda pissed at her parents.

Anyone else seeing this? Spike protein causing this possibly? My wife said it’s been going on almost a week now where she isn’t herself. Wife sees her at kid time. She talked to one of the teachers who noticed the same thing but for obvious reasons didn’t want to say anything.

I don’t know many parents willing to experiment on their healthy kids so I don’t have much to go off of.

are you referring to brainfog from COVID itself or from the vaccine?there is talk about both the vax and the 'rona causing it due to disruption in the brain/blood barrier but I do not understand it beyond that. anecdotally myself and everyone I know can relate but it's hard to say what's from the virus and what's because society sucked balls for 2 years straight now.
 
NY TIMES--'nearly 200,000 at home covid-19 tests recalled over false positives'
 
are you referring to brainfog from COVID itself or from the vaccine?there is talk about both the vax and the 'rona causing it due to disruption in the brain/blood barrier but I do not understand it beyond that. anecdotally myself and everyone I know can relate but it's hard to say what's from the virus and what's because society sucked balls for 2 years straight now.

I had it and she had the shot and it just sounds familiar to what I had once the other symptoms left
 
Kinda how you can get the shot and go from perfectly healthy to 'ahh muh heart' in 24hrs? Difference is, covid has that effect on unhealthy people; the vax can have that effect on healthy people who aren't statistically at risk from covid. Go figure.
It’s nothing short of amazing..
If I was admitted with covid, and you offered me 'spiritual counseling', I wouldn't give you attitude, I'd slap you. No wonder people are dying from covid, with that approach.

It's like my UCLA doc who told me, when I was 32yo, that my herniated disc was a game changer, and I'd never exercise again (not only was that incorrect, but I later earned a black belt in judo, and transitioned to bjj last year). Or the other UCLA doc who called my wife in after a biopsy, handed her a box of kleenex, and said 'you should prepare your will, your cancer is back' (it wasn't).

One of the top 2 comorbidities of covid is fear/anxiety. Your approach literally plays off of fears.
OK. Unfortunately this has nothing to do with my post. T was asking if a COVID patient we have had forever that survived against all odds was offered any counseling regarding the loss of his father that died secondary to his own simultaneous COVID infection.

Incidentally, I looked into his chart yesterday and he did accept a spiritual care consult...
See, just goes to show you that the boomer remover is fake.
Yes, I suppose so!
 
Generally speaking I think it's 100% the opposite. Our physical health is so connected to our mental health that I have zero doubt plenty of people literally rolled over and died from COVID because they were convinced from day 1 that it was GOING to kill them. I'm not saying every covid denier, or every bull in a china house type like me comes out of COVID completely unscathed, but I do think your mental state when you go into it plays a big role.
oh thats right I forgot that they also found a decrease in hospitalization for covid with the administering of anxiety / depression meds. which to me, is pretty telling as well.
Obviously I have seen many COVID patient battles that are worthy of hospitalization. It has actually been amazing how calm the vast majority of people are, but the younger ones are definitely the ones who tend to be more scared. If you are in the hospital with COVID, there has to be a balance between acknowledging the potential for poor outcomes and having a positive attitude. Being dismissive or worse is what makes things far more complicated than they have to be for patient and staff.

Also, we always speak optimistically with the patients and promote positivity despite vaccination status. Some people have more anxious personalities than others, but you can tell it’s not particularly their reaction to COVID illness, but more how they operate in general. When things start to get more ominous, the intensivist may say something like ”I would advise you to get your personal affairs situated if you haven’t already done so.” Or when things are even more ominous, “I can’t guarantee that I can save you.”

In regard to antidepressant’s and COVID, T brought up the correlation a few months ago. Worth noting is that a few in particular seem likely to play more of a direct physiological role in terms of COVID than psychological.

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Obviously I have seen many COVID patient battles that are worthy of hospitalization. It has actually been amazing how calm the vast majority of people are, but the younger ones are definitely the ones who tend to be more scared. If you are in the hospital with COVID, there has to be a balance between acknowledging the potential for poor outcomes and having a positive attitude. Being dismissive or worse is what makes things far more complicated than they have to be for patient and staff.

It's sorta ironic really. Young folks in my circle definitely seem to be the more paranoid folks with essentially zero death risk, the older folks who are in the more 'at risk' category are far more relaxed with "the bad cold". It's bizarre, but that may have something to do with social media's ability to grab the young people better.
 
It's sorta ironic really. Young folks in my circle definitely seem to be the more paranoid folks with essentially zero death risk, the older folks who are in the more 'at risk' category are far more relaxed with "the bad cold". It's bizarre, but that may have something to do with social media's ability to grab the young people better.
young people are voluntarily being brain washed by social media---it is the modern day KOOL AID.
 
It's sorta ironic really. Young folks in my circle definitely seem to be the more paranoid folks with essentially zero death risk, the older folks who are in the more 'at risk' category are far more relaxed with "the bad cold". It's bizarre, but that may have something to do with social media's ability to grab the young people better.

I also notice the most scared I know are triple vaxed. Worst vaccine ever I guess lol
 
kids have changed a lot since I was a youth.

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lol...kids have always been stupid...but now they have the internet---i can't begin to imagine the trouble my generation would have gotten into had we had the internet and smart phones!!!
 
young people are voluntarily being brain washed by social media---it is the modern day KOOL AID.
It’s their primary life and the real world is secondary. That’s why they don’t have time to work and find it irrelevant to living their virtual life. Wait, is this social media? 😮
I also notice the most scared I know are triple vaxed. Worst vaccine ever I guess lol
Hmm...

I guess it’s different for everyone. I literally know like only 3 unvaccinated people.

1 is in her mid 30’s and is essentially a non-believer in all of it. She runs around and travels like nobody's business yet she also left her job from day 1 and took advantage of the government COVID unemployment the entire time it was offered stating she was too afraid to work in the public. She then chose to not get vaccinated. She’s pretty special..

Another is a fairly close friend of mine that I don’t see often these days who was a ”wait and see” person. He was also the person I used to play tennis with outside and when I occasionally burped, he would freak out because he was afraid of catching COVID and bringing it home to his parents (they all live together). His parents have since been vaccinated, yet he did not. He contracted COVID around Christmas time and the kids decided it would be best to move the parents out of the house to quarantine. My GF asked him why he never ended up getting vaccinated, and he said “well I am a healthy guy and I have always been extremely diligent with personal hygiene and I really don’t go anywhere.” My GF said “OK, and you just told me that you just got over having COVID.” They are pretty special too..

The other is my GF’s cousin, and he falls into the category of not trusting the vaccine because of its ties with the government. Meanwhile, we offered to take him out to a nice meal in a restaurant a few weeks ago and he declined as he said he was too afraid to catch COVID. 🤷‍♂️

Everyone definitely has their own unique view on COVID and vaccination..
 
It’s their primary life and the real world is secondary. That’s why they don’t have time to work and find it irrelevant to living their virtual life. Wait, is this social media?

Hmm...

I guess it’s different for everyone. I literally know like only 3 unvaccinated people.

1 is in her mid 30’s and is essentially a non-believer in all of it. She runs around and travels like nobody's business yet she also left her job from day 1 and took advantage of the government COVID unemployment the entire time it was offered stating she was too afraid to work in the public. She then chose to not get vaccinated. She’s pretty special..

Another is a fairly close friend of mine that I don’t see often these days who was a ”wait and see” person. He was also the person I used to play tennis with outside and when I occasionally burped, he would freak out because he was afraid of catching COVID and bringing it home to his parents (they all live together). His parents have since been vaccinated, yet he did not. He contracted COVID around Christmas time and the kids decided it would be best to move the parents out of the house to quarantine. My GF asked him why he never ended up getting vaccinated, and he said “well I am a healthy guy and I have always been extremely diligent with personal hygiene and I really don’t go anywhere.” My GF said “OK, and you just told me that you just got over having COVID.” They are pretty special too..

The other is my GF’s cousin, and he falls into the category of not trusting the vaccine because of its ties with the government. Meanwhile, we offered to take him out to a nice meal in a restaurant a few weeks ago and he declined as he said he was too afraid to catch COVID. 🤷‍♂️

Everyone definitely has their own unique view on COVID and vaccination..

I would imagine your situation is unique compared to mine because you have everyone fully on board with the vaccine yet they are not listening to the authorities. Maybe because they know you and the reports you give them. If you listen to Biden, Fauci, CNN, etc and take them serious you think your vaccine will not work in the face of an unvaccinated individual. It is not far fetched at all to see what I have seen personally.

Also I know zero people who do not believe in Covid. They, like myself, are highly concerned about our rights eroding and falling into despotism. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the heavy blue pro authority pro vaccine areas are the areas with the harshest mandates. If we all complied I fully believe it would be mandated for kids across the country.
 
kids have changed a lot since I was a youth.

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Rage has changed a lot too. They are pro bigger more oppressive government than we already have. They just seem to think they would be in the club and everything would be great.

Great music though
 
NeoCov now in South Africa. Bats, wuhan scientists, 35% mortality. Here we go again. Buckle up buckaroos.
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So it seems as though it has only been identified in bats thus far and it would have to mutate to transmit from animals to humans. It’s apparent that the Chinese are still being allowed to play in the sandbox without any adults watching over them. In a functional world, that Wuhan lab would have been wiped off the face of the earth by now.

It’s almost like they are setting the stage for what is yet to come. Let’s face it, that f*cking lab can release whatever variant they want. Deep down, my gut very much tells me Omicron will not be the beginning of the endemic phase, and if it is, it will be very brief.

Thoughts?
 
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So it seems as though it has only been identified in bats thus far and it would have to mutate to transmit from animals to humans. It’s apparent that the Chinese are still being allowed to play in the sandbox without any adults watching over them. In a functional world, that Wuhan lab would have been wiped off the face of the earth by now.

It’s almost like they are setting the stage for what is yet to come. Let’s face it, that f*cking lab can release whatever variant they want. Deep down, my gut very much tells me Omicron will not be the beginning of the endemic phase, and if it is, it will be very brief.

Thoughts?

If this were a normal virus becoming more contagious and less lethal makes perfect sense. I have no idea if lab made viruses act in the same manner or if they have others that could be released as a new Covid.

I can’t even make a strong opinion without erasing the sentence and starting over due to knowing there is so much I don’t know.
 
I would imagine your situation is unique compared to mine because you have everyone fully on board with the vaccine yet they are not listening to the authorities. Maybe because they know you and the reports you give them. If you listen to Biden, Fauci, CNN, etc and take them serious you think your vaccine will not work in the face of an unvaccinated individual. It is not far fetched at all to see what I have seen personally.

Also I know zero people who do not believe in Covid. They, like myself, are highly concerned about our rights eroding and falling into despotism. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the heavy blue pro authority pro vaccine areas are the areas with the harshest mandates. If we all complied I fully believe it would be mandated for kids across the country.
Maybe people within my social/family circle were slightly more in tune to certain aspects of COVID as a result of what I do. But I always only talked about it when asked, and I really say very little. Most of my talking about my experiences throughout has just been to my girlfriend, but even much more than that has surely been on here. To my knowledge, I don’t believe I was influential upon any of those people either in regard to vaccination. Everyone just made the choice for themselves to do it very early and it wasn’t really a big deal to any of us.

The impact of Delta is hindsight now (I suppose) and it truly was beyond devastating to patients and the healthcare system. It’s certainly unfortunate that the vaccine became so politicized under an administration that is more corrupt than anything we have ever seen.
 
If this were a normal virus becoming more contagious and less lethal makes perfect sense. I have no idea if lab made viruses act in the same manner or if they have others that could be released as a new Covid.

I can’t even make a strong opinion without erasing the sentence and starting over due to knowing there is so much I don’t know.
From what I gather, it makes sense and is likely, but it is also the optimistic scenario. On the other side of the fence, the emerging variants of late are showing a great deal of mutations which means anything is possible. Of course that is speaking in terms of there being no more “oopsies” leaking out from the Wuhan lab or elsewhere.

Oh, I am quite sure they are capable of releasing a highly virulent coronavirus, and we all know they won’t have to worry about being held accountable.
 
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So it seems as though it has only been identified in bats thus far and it would have to mutate to transmit from animals to humans. It’s apparent that the Chinese are still being allowed to play in the sandbox without any adults watching over them. In a functional world, that Wuhan lab would have been wiped off the face of the earth by now.

It’s almost like they are setting the stage for what is yet to come. Let’s face it, that f*cking lab can release whatever variant they want. Deep down, my gut very much tells me Omicron will not be the beginning of the endemic phase, and if it is, it will be very brief.

Thoughts?

To be blunt, I feel the same and this is a surreal proposition. Why that lab has not had its teeth kicked in is, well…. Complicity????

I just have deja vu between all these variables (bats, wuhan, and the usual suspects). Patiently waiting for Gates to start puppeteering again shortly.
 
Another interesting tidbit:
I saw the first article I’d ever seen of NeoCov yesterday morning at 4am. My wife (uses google) could not find a single mention of the word in her search. Not one. Other browsers were spewing with articles.
 
It’s their primary life and the real world is secondary. That’s why they don’t have time to work and find it irrelevant to living their virtual life. Wait, is this social media? 😮

Hmm...

I guess it’s different for everyone. I literally know like only 3 unvaccinated people.

1 is in her mid 30’s and is essentially a non-believer in all of it. She runs around and travels like nobody's business yet she also left her job from day 1 and took advantage of the government COVID unemployment the entire time it was offered stating she was too afraid to work in the public. She then chose to not get vaccinated. She’s pretty special..

Another is a fairly close friend of mine that I don’t see often these days who was a ”wait and see” person. He was also the person I used to play tennis with outside and when I occasionally burped, he would freak out because he was afraid of catching COVID and bringing it home to his parents (they all live together). His parents have since been vaccinated, yet he did not. He contracted COVID around Christmas time and the kids decided it would be best to move the parents out of the house to quarantine. My GF asked him why he never ended up getting vaccinated, and he said “well I am a healthy guy and I have always been extremely diligent with personal hygiene and I really don’t go anywhere.” My GF said “OK, and you just told me that you just got over having COVID.” They are pretty special too..

The other is my GF’s cousin, and he falls into the category of not trusting the vaccine because of its ties with the government. Meanwhile, we offered to take him out to a nice meal in a restaurant a few weeks ago and he declined as he said he was too afraid to catch COVID. 🤷‍♂️

Everyone definitely has their own unique view on COVID and vaccination..

Nobody in my family is vaccinated (60yr old parents, two brothers, nephews, niece, son, ex wife, etc), but on my wife's side, she and I are the only unvaccinated ones. Her entire family including her kids are all vaxed up. her kids all got vaccinated AFTER having COVID. they went to a party last march (college) came back with covid, gave it to their mom while I was away travelling to AZ. it didn't phase them at all, she had a cold basically. I coincidentally got it while in AZ and quarantined as I have mentioned, never got fully sick just felt like I was about to get sick for about a week so I doubled down on my vitamins. a month later the kids all ran out to get the vaccine to protect them from the disease they already had, weren't seriously ill from, and had recovered from. <-- that has never made sense to me.

my 60yr old parents and everyone else in my family got it around the same time. everyone's experience was the same as mine. my co-workers who got it were divided into two categories basically. some went home, laid in bed for a week and said they were sick but after recovery said it wasn't as bad as prior illnesses. the other folks basically pretended to never get sick and just lived with their 'cold'.

I come from a redneck town of farmers that has been publicly shamed in the past 6 months by local Seattle news for being so "anti mask". even the city council continued meeting which was shamed, and without masks, more shaming. My wife and I have had many more direct exposures with no issues. a couple weeks ago we were surrounded by probably 20 positive test results, all Omicron I'm sure as nobody had more than a runny nose, she stayed home sick for a few days with the same symptoms but tested negative. I never got sick, but a few times I got pho and doubled my vitamins because I thought "maybe I have a cold coming on", but again, it never hit.

now, in march of 2019 I was so sick I went to urgent care caused I was miserable, they discovered a heart defect. that's another story, but just saying, I have been quite sick in my life, lol.

To me it seems like our approach to all of this and our response is likely a direct result of our experiences. You are seeing the worst of the worst and it's likely shaping your perspective differently than me, who is seeing the exact opposite of you. every vaccinated person in my life honestly is APPEARING to be an idiot in my mind. I'm talking about masks when alone walking down the sidewalk, alone in their car etc etc then of course they give me a big maskless hug. (what??) the hypocrisy and lack of consistency drives me crazy. I have met 80yr olds while I was down in AZ who recovered from covid and said they didn't understand what all the drama was about.


so.............................. I'm not saying the stuff you're seeing isn't happening. I'm not bold enough to be a denier per se, but our experiences over the past 2 years are likely having a huge impact on our difference in perspective. I just haven't seen anything in my region to justify any of the tyrannical approaches we have accepted by our govt.
 
quick follow up. I know this will make me sound like a loony, but there are truly times when I'm sitting at the counter thinking "something ain't right". there are times when my gut says "I just don't buy it".

I know that there are folks like Ricky who are swamped at the hospital and I do have respect for that. But I really struggle to wrap my head around it when I have seen soooooooo much COVID in the past 2 years in my region and zero justification for the alarms. again, my specific region sample size. but, "something ain't right".
 
Another interesting tidbit:
I saw the first article I’d ever seen of NeoCov yesterday morning at 4am. My wife (uses google) could not find a single mention of the word in her search. Not one. Other browsers were spewing with articles.

They only show you what they want you to see.

Anyone who does not believe there is an agenda, cannot see the blatant propaganda on platforms like YouTube, is lying to themselves. Not only is it the nature of the content they display - it’s that there is no counter argument to be found, no obvious conspiracy theory looney crap. We know that stuff is also out there, so why is everything with any conflicting ideology or anything deemed misinformation being suppressed with such fervor??
 
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