Tested positive for Covid

[Tunaking14]

Again you are either a liar, a troll, or just an ignorant shill! The vaccines are safe? Are you kidding me! Look at the amount of people have health issues, especially inflammatory issues from the vaccines. The hospitals were not over run! Again what do you do? And where do you work?

 

[thebigt]

Here's a picture outside the window of NYU Langone Hospital midtown Manhattan night shift in May 2020. The lighted up building is the Empire State Building:
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Quite a sight, huh? We also had the air force doing gratefulness flights over the hospital and the whole city would cheer for us at shift change.

Nowadays I think that's pretty cool. But back then I had 200 people on ventilators to take care of I really hardly noticed any of it. You think I gave a damn who was President or what they thought or how they were governing?

Trump touted hydroxychloroquine and when he got covid there was enough evidence it didn't work that he didn't take it either.

trump also had the military set up ships and M.A.S.H. style units to help the over-run hospital system...

you should be very grateful--the guys returning from the jungle of vietnam who were so happy to be back home were spat on--by the same cowards who got draft deferments like joe biden did.

 

[muscleman]

Again you are either a liar, a troll, or just an ignorant shill! The vaccines are safe? Are you kidding me! Look at the amount of people have health issues, especially inflammatory issues from the vaccines. The hospitals were not over run! Again what do you do? And where do you work?

Take care not to get upset or spend too much time arguing with people believing differently.

 

[thebigt]

Well, the one noticeable thing the govt did was have FEMA supply us with extra ventilators and PPE, which was needed. The ventilators they sent us were these LTV units, not meant for critically ill patients, but better than nothing. However I think any President would have done that. Operation Warp Speed was also a good thing. But also something any President would have done, and other countries did as well. The MASH units weren't really used, but was a good idea at the time. What ultimately flattened the curve was shutting everything down. And I don't think people have the stomach for that anymore. The point is the politicians really don't have much of an impact of covid, unless they want to shut things down again.

the mash units were a good idea AT THE TIME???

haven't you been saying how overrun the hospitals are and have been for quite some time... @Ricky10 has been complaining about how understaffed and overwhelmed his hospital has been for at LEAST 4 months now-probably longer.

when i was in the military we used to have a drill called circle william where the hatches were all closed and the ventilation system was shut down-we had to deploy OBAs. in other words the military has been training for poison gas and infectious disease attacks since WW1...the military could have been a huge asset in fighting covid, imo--

explain to me why biden didn't utilize this ASSET?

 

[thebigt]

oh yeah, while we are speaking of ppe...if biden has money to send out at home covid tests, why hasn't he sent out re-usable masks that actually work as effective against spread of covid--instead of mandating masks to be worn in public places that people buy from walmart that have been debunked as ineffective?

making available effective masks that actually do reduce the spread of covid would have been a nice thing instead of mandating masks that have been proven to be ineffective.

 

[Young Gotti]

oh yeah, while we are speaking of ppe...if biden has money to send out at home covid tests, why hasn't he sent out re-usable masks that actually work as effective against spread of covid--instead of mandating masks to be worn in public places that people buy from walmart that have been debunked as ineffective?

making available effective masks that actually do reduce the spread of covid would have been a nice thing instead of mandating masks that have been proven to be ineffective.

It’s about the look they care about, wearing a mask isn’t about stopping the spread it’s about showing your “team” that you support them

backed by science or not

masks are not effective, lockdowns were not effective, the vaccines haven’t been safe and effective

but as long as you follow the narrative, your team will praise you

 

[thebigt]

It’s about the look they care about, wearing a mask isn’t about stopping the spread it’s about showing your “team” that you support them

backed by science or not

masks are not effective, locksdowns were not effective, the vaccines haven’t been safe and effective

but as long as you follow the narrative, your team will praise you

no one involved in science like fauci should be telling the public that wearing cheap paper masks bought at walmart are effective against spreading covid...if they want to mandate masks then they should supply EFFECTIVE masks to all Americans.

 

[rob112]

If people really thought you could kill them for not having a mask there would not be videos of people getting 6 inches away having screaming matches. They would run. The reason there is screaming matches is because of mass conformity and obedience.

 

[Tunaking14]

Take care not to get upset or spend too much time arguing with people believing differently.

Agreed. The problem I have with him isn't that he believes differently, it is the fact that he is denying facts. I've taken Ivermectin and know that it works and is SAFE even if it doesn't work for some people. Same with hydroxychloroquine- billions of people/doses have been used over the last 50 years and it's one of the safest drugs on the planet but he's going to follow the narrative and tell us it isn't safe. He's telling me hospitals are over run and I have half a dozen very close friends in the medical field who say differently (4 in South Louisiana and 2 in Arkansas) Several of the guys I work with have spouses that work in the medical field and they are saying the same thing. Now maybe where he has worked (although he hasn't listed where and in what capacity) that may be the case. But people telling me differently, when I know something is true just pisses me off. It's that simple. Plenty of others on here disagree with my beliefs and I try to respect their opinions. This guy just wants to push a narrative and won't listen to any facts that don't agree with his agenda. But I will try to refrain from getting too upset as it isn't worth it.

 

[thebigt]

Actually I dated a girl who is a lieutenant in the national guard whose been called up and they're training her to be an aid at a nursing home. Sounds like a good idea, huh? The problem is that's not really where you're saving lives. If you can prevent someone from going on a ventilator or successfully get them off a ventilator that's where the difference is made. The overwhelming majority of people recover from this without any treatment at all.

The MASH units were originally set up for people who didn't have covid to get medical treatment. But what ended up happening is nobody left their home to get non-covid treatment. They were afraid that if they went to the MASH units they would get covid. They then started treating a very small number of people with covid but didn't really have the equipment or personnel to provide a high level of care.

But I'll tell you what: they found 3 corpses in my hotel because the hospital turned them away for not being sick enough. Then they crashed in the nearby hotel. Had they gone to a MASH unit it would have saved them. But you can't go putting everybody who gets covid in a MASH unit either. And the MASH unit wouldn't have been able to stabilize them. They would've had to quickly get them to an ER for that.

i was in the military---there are very many who are and have been trained in hazmat and infectious disease-- @Ricky10 has told us repeatedly how understaffed they are at his hospital-i bet they would be very happy to have trained military docs and nurses help out , and this is nationwide.

how do we know if those MASH units would have been effective if biden never utilized them?
at the very least they could be used to screen patients to make sure the most critical were sent to hospital er's first--actually that is what a MASH unit was designed for--but they were also set-up for emergency surgeries when necessary....many people are in hospital mostly for observation, correct....

at any rate i can't believe that you think EXTRA well trained doctors PAs and nurses would not be a asset?

 

[Tunaking14]

Well if you've worn the masks we wear in the covid units you'd understand. These are very thick and really hard to breathe through. They strap to your face so tightly they cause skin breakdown. And I really can't wear them for any more than an hour at a time. I need to go back to the office and take a breather. They do effectively filter the virus. It's rare to see someone get sick and it definately was from work. But it's not something the general public could wear at the grocery store even if they wanted to.

There is something called a PAPR though. It looks like this:
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I the mask doesn't work for someone (beard they won't shave for religious reasons, odd face shape) they can use this, but it costs about $1200. I don't know why more hasn't been invested in this.

Have you ever even considered that the reason why more hasn't been invested in that or anything effective has been because they are pushing a narrative? They knew those cheap masks didn't work yet pushed people to comply. Why is that so hard for you to admit or understand?

 

[thebigt]

Well if you've worn the masks we wear in the covid units you'd understand. These are very thick and really hard to breathe through. They strap to your face so tightly they cause skin breakdown. And I really can't wear them for any more than an hour at a time. I need to go back to the office and take a breather. They do effectively filter the virus. It's rare to see someone get sick and it definately was from work. But it's not something the general public could wear at the grocery store even if they wanted to.

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I the mask doesn't work for someone (beard they won't shave for religious reasons, odd face shape) they can use this, but it costs about $1200. I don't know why more hasn't been invested in this.

i see where kn95 masks are being touted as much more effective than the cheap paper masks found at walmart----back in the 70s thru early to mid 80s we used OBAs where you had to insert a cannister for 45 minutes of air...they were worn around shoulders and were heavy-it took some practice to replace the cannister with a new one every 45 minutes.

maybe the kn95s are less than complete 100% protection but they would provide MUCH better protection than what is acceptable as a mask now.

btw-look up navy oba circa 1970...imagine wearing one of those suckers for a 4 hour circle william drill with the ventillation shut off 9 decks below the water line.

 

[thebigt]

I'd agree with that. KN95 is probably the best consumer masks you can get. There's a lot of knockoffs out there though. But even they are probably better than average. Still a bit harder to breathe through than I'm comfortable with, but manageable and much easier to wear than the N95s at the hospital.

And that's the debate about masks. What type is it? How is it being worn? Are people actually coughing into them and still wearing them? Gross. But the airlines have put together a pretty good mask policy. Easy to enforce it if they won't let you on the plane otherwise.

this is why i feel it would be money well spent to mail everyone 1 month supply of appropriate kn95 masks, if it curbs the spread of covid then it would have been money well spent and a 2nd month could be mailed if needed...

 

[thebigt]

I just don't see this ending with us becoming a society where we all permanently wear masks when we go out. Especially the younger people and especially in rural areas. I could see most of us getting our covid shot in the fall and those at risk taking antivirals as well when sick though. And people in NYC and Beijing might have to get used to masks, or if you have health issues. Try going on a date in NYC where she wears a mask and keeps 6 ft apart the whole time. It was quite disappointing.

this is a 2 month plan at most...i see the virus riding off into the sunset around march or april.

 

[muscleman]

Agreed. The problem I have with him isn't that he believes differently, it is the fact that he is denying facts. I've taken Ivermectin and know that it works and is SAFE even if it doesn't work for some people. Same with hydroxychloroquine- billions of people/doses have been used over the last 50 years and it's one of the safest drugs on the planet but he's going to follow the narrative and tell us it isn't safe. He's telling me hospitals are over run and I have half a dozen very close friends in the medical field who say differently (4 in South Louisiana and 2 in Arkansas) Several of the guys I work with have spouses that work in the medical field and they are saying the same thing. Now maybe where he has worked (although he hasn't listed where and in what capacity) that may be the case. But people telling me differently, when I know something is true just pisses me off. It's that simple. Plenty of others on here disagree with my beliefs and I try to respect their opinions. This guy just wants to push a narrative and won't listen to any facts that don't agree with his agenda. But I will try to refrain from getting too upset as it isn't worth it.

I understand well reference about an article stating not corona hasn´t even been isolated in dead people or living really. If neither masks or corona itself is to be found.. But I realise vert few can stretch their mind to even think that. Buy I think quite a few intelligent people with sientific background has know these things for along time.
Dont have the enrgy to get into discussions but great to see some who think alike.I don´t really accept to convert anybody but anybode alese starts digging looking at the science of virology
The this about graphene affecting mentality as well I havent read into to that much at all but that would not surprise me att all. But somehow NAC might protect against that
Graphene will be inhaled through many facemasks and enter blood

 

[muscleman]

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[thebigt]

I've said the same thing. Nobody can predict it so it would be a fitting end if it disappeared one day and nobody predicted it. But that's not something to place a bet on. March/April is when Argentina, Chile and Brazil get surges. And Texas and Florida do too.

And this virus likes to hop species. It's spreading through the whitetail deer in Ohio, blackfoot ferrets in Florida, and it really likes cats. Bats as well. They had to kill like 17 million mink in Europe because it was spreading with them and mutating. And this all started with one person in China getting it. Now there's a variant that is 70 times more contagious than the original and escapes the current vaccines.

i'm sure joe will provide all we need.

 

[Tunaking14]

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Don't tell me this isn't happening. I mean they try to hide it because it's depressing but I've personally seen it on mass scales and it's traumatizing. If a novel coronavirus isn't causing it I would like to know what is.

that simply isn’t happening now! Where was the picture taken? When? And why won’t you answer the question of what your job is and where do you work? (Area- don’t have to go personal info) Because you post stuff from the internet and expect us to believe your narrative all the while putting down any information that anyone else posts on here. You are a shill. Nothing more…how did you just join and find this thread? You were not part of thenAM community until very recently!

 

[thebigt]

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Don't tell me this isn't happening. I mean they try to hide it because it's depressing but I've personally seen it on mass scales and it's traumatizing. If a novel coronavirus isn't causing it I would like to know what is.

joe will take care of it.

 

[thebigt]

biden calls covid 'pandemic of unvaccinated'

just last month biden said 'vaccinated people do not spread the disease'

joe biden-'if you get the vaccine you won't get covid'

you go, joe

 

[mechka_grizli]

Again you are either a liar, a troll, or just an ignorant shill! The vaccines are safe? Are you kidding me! Look at the amount of people have health issues, especially inflammatory issues from the vaccines. The hospitals were not over run! Again what do you do? And where do you work?

With respect, while MANY people have had reactions to the vaccine, it has proven to be relatively safe, and has done half of what it was touted to do, which was help reduce SEVERE cases of Covid.

 

[jmero2]

that simply isn’t happening now! Where was the picture taken? When? And why won’t you answer the question of what your job is and where do you work? (Area- don’t have to go personal info) Because you post stuff from the internet and expect us to believe your narrative all the while putting down any information that anyone else posts on here. You are a shill. Nothing more…how did you just join and find this thread? You were not part of thenAM community until very recently!

This dude is Starscream, I'm convinced of it.

 

[GreenMachineX]

This dude is Starscream, I'm convinced of it.

Megatron's second in command...? Definitely at a loss here...

 

[Kronic]

remember when the news said a hospital was overrun with ivermectin overdoses lol

 

[Young Gotti]

With respect, while MANY people have had reactions to the vaccine, it has proven to be relatively safe, and has done half of what it was touted to do, which was help reduce SEVERE cases of Covid.

no, a vaccine provides immunity, it doesn’t lessen severity

every breakthrough case is the vaccine now doing what it was supposed to do

also if any other drug had the safety concerns as these vaccines, it would get pulled from market or not authorized

 

[Kronic]

You can't really forge dead people. You've got a body, a death certificate, a family, medical record, a health insurance company and often a life insurance company is involved. A hospital full of staff. And there's the authorities doing contact tracing. You can read the obituaries. Plus you can contact all the morgues in these towns and ask if they are full, or call the hospital and they'll tell you how many open beds they have, ICU beds, covid cases and covid deaths and ask them about the refrigerated trucks. They'll be honest with you. Gov Cuomo tried to hide numbers of dead people and that didn't go so well for him.

it wasnt true though ... lol what are you talking about. completely missing the point as always

 

[thebigt]

With respect, while MANY people have had reactions to the vaccine, it has proven to be relatively safe, and has done half of what it was touted to do, which was help reduce SEVERE cases of Covid.

joe biden--'if you get the vaccine you won't get covid'

just sayin....

 

[thebigt]

Boy, you seem to really like that retracted article. It was true it was just exaggerated. People are overdosing on it, just not nearly as many as was claimed. If you're pointing to a case where the media double checked the facts and corrected themselves as evidence that all media stories about this are false and you need to go to fringe websites to find the truth then you've lost me. People in fact are being hospitalised and dying of Ivermectin overdoses. Not many, but it's happening.
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2,200 people die from alcohol poisoning in US each year....just sayin

 

[Kronic]

Boy, you seem to really like that retracted article. It was true it was just exaggerated. People are overdosing on it, just not nearly as many as was claimed. If you're pointing to a case where the media double checked the facts and corrected themselves as evidence that all media stories about this are false and you need to go to fringe websites to find the truth then you've lost me. People in fact are being hospitalised and dying of Ivermectin overdoses. Not many, but it's happening.
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so you really think that the hospitals in oklahoma were really "overrun" with ivermectin overdoses lol

 

[GreenMachineX]

Boy, you seem to really like that retracted article. It was true it was just exaggerated. People are overdosing on it, just not nearly as many as was claimed. If you're pointing to a case where the media double checked the facts and corrected themselves as evidence that all media stories about this are false and you need to go to fringe websites to find the truth then you've lost me. People in fact are being hospitalised and dying of Ivermectin overdoses. Not many, but it's happening.
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It wouldn't be happening if doctors were actually prescribing it early enough before covid went too far. But that would have to include everyone stop lying about its effectiveness too. Either way, ivermectin isn't the problem...dumb people are.

 

[thebigt]

It wouldn't be happening if doctors were actually prescribing it early enough before covid went too far. But that would have to include everyone stop lying about its effectiveness too. Either way, ivermectin isn't the problem...dumb people are.

just remember there wasn't always a warning on label of jack daniels about drinking jack while pregnant......

i remember the pregnant woman who drank nearly a quart of jack everyday during pregnancy then sued when baby was born with birth defects---TRUE STORY

how about the warning--- contents of this cup are hot, on labels of to-go coffee cups--you guessed it, a guy sued when he spilled mickey d's coffee on his lap leaving drive-thru.

 

[Tunaking14]

Oh it's happening. What are you living under a rock? These articles were all from the last few weeks:
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I've got my own pictures but it's not something a person tends to take a whole lot of pictures of. The waves do happen in different times region to region though. A hospital in Georgia could be real slow while one in Milwaukee is slammed. If there's no such thing as a novel coronavirus out there, it would be nice to know what's causing it.

And you first. What is your full name, address, phone number and place of employment?

So you take pictures of dead people in hospitals? That makes you a criminal and a piece of ****…but we already knew that! Go fk yourself loser!

 

[Tunaking14]

With respect, while MANY people have had reactions to the vaccine, it has proven to be relatively safe, and has done half of what it was touted to do, which was help reduce SEVERE cases of Covid.

Has done half of what it is touted to do? That’s a joke!!! You taking up for it is a joke! My company hasn’t had a single person die from Covid….yet 3 have passed due to complications from the vaccine…go figure!

 

[Tunaking14]

You can't really forge dead people. You've got a body, a death certificate, a family, medical record, a health insurance company and often a life insurance company is involved. A hospital full of staff. And there's the authorities doing contact tracing. You can read the obituaries. Plus you can contact all the morgues in these towns and ask if they are full, or call the hospital and they'll tell you how many open beds they have, ICU beds, covid cases and covid deaths and ask them about the refrigerated trucks. They'll be honest with you. Gov Cuomo tried to hide numbers of dead people and that didn't go so well for him.

Once again…it’s not happening - go push your agenda somewhere else… look up the total number of deaths in America from the last 2,years…. Right in line with normal death tolls…go figure

 

[Tunaking14]

Boy, you seem to really like that retracted article. It was true it was just exaggerated. People are overdosing on it, just not nearly as many as was claimed. If you're pointing to a case where the media double checked the facts and corrected themselves as evidence that all media stories about this are false and you need to go to fringe websites to find the truth then you've lost me. People in fact are being hospitalised and dying of Ivermectin overdoses. Not many, but it's happening.
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literally nobody is overdosing on ivermectin you shill

 

[Tunaking14]

Thanosnap should be banned for criminal acts of taking pictures of dead people at hospitals. Nobody does this except people that have no morals and have an agenda. Fk this guy!

 

[GreenMachineX]

Once again…it’s not happening - go push your agenda somewhere else… look up the total number of deaths in America from the last 2,years…. Right in line with normal death tolls…go figure

Can you post this data? That's not what I'm seeing...

 

[thebigt]

biden again insists covid is 'pandemic of unvaccinated'

even while many working in his white house who are fully vaxxed and with booster shot have recently been infected-including his own press secretary jen psaki...on tuesday biden said 'covid-19 is a illness of those who refuse the vaccine'


just think joe biden is president of the USA--go joe!!!

 

[Ricky10]

I've been working in intensive care units as a specialist for 12 years now. Never have I seen people dropping dead like flies... hospitals running out of ICU beds, ERs being shut down, morgues running out of space, and bodies being piled into refridgerated trucks. Normally we lose about 5% of our ventilator patients and now it's like 80%. If this novel virus doesn't actually exist, I'd like to know what's causing it.

Also, I'm pretty sure whoever runs that site you linked to has schizophrenia.

I have been working in intensive care units for over 10 years myself as well. It can’t be overstated how devastating COVID has been on every level. It’s truly astounding how sick these patients get and how much care they require. I never could have imagined we would encounter anything like this.

I enjoy reading your posts..

this is a 2 month plan at most...i see the virus riding off into the sunset around march or april.

One of the pulmonologists at my work is predicting this will all be over in 3 weeks! Obviously I think that is rather overzealous.

All signs still seem to indicate that Omicron infection by the masses will be the beginning of the endemic phase of the virus. We are definitely in the midst of a pivotal point. Unfortunately, it is still complicated by the fact that we need to get infected with the virus without too many people getting it at once. We can’t all be out sick from work at the same time in any business. Also, there is the remaining possibility that people will experience long-COVID illness even with a mild Omicron infection.

Regardless, I don’t think it would be wise to implement measures that restrict exposure to a significant degree. Seeing this ride off into the sunset by March or April sounds great to me!

 

[thebigt]

One of the pulmonologists at my work is predicting this will all be over in 3 weeks! Obviously I think that is rather overzealous.

All signs still seem to indicate that Omicron infection by the masses will be the beginning of the endemic phase of the virus. We are definitely in the midst of a pivotal point. Unfortunately, it is still complicated by the fact that we need to get infected with the virus without too many people getting it at once. We can’t all be out sick from work at the same time in any business. Also, there is the remaining possibility that people will experience long-COVID illness even with a mild Omicron infection.

Regardless, I don’t think it would be wise to implement measures that restrict exposure to a significant degree. Seeing this ride off into the sunset by March or April sounds great to me!

1st off-if you are fully vaccinated and get covid do you also get the natural antibodies that the unvaccinated get? i honestly see this virus being mostly over by april.


do you have any statistics or personal experience with 'LONG COVID'....i ask because it has been almost a year since i recovered from covid and 6 months later i ran a 7k race, and have ran at least 3 miles 3-5 times a week since and i feel great...and once again-i am 63.

 

[mechka_grizli]

no, a vaccine provides immunity, it doesn’t lessen severity

every breakthrough case is the vaccine now doing what it was supposed to do

also if any other drug had the safety concerns as these vaccines, it would get pulled from market or not authorized

If by going by that then no, but it was always stated to also reduce hospitalizations

joe biden--'if you get the vaccine you won't get covid'

just sayin....

We all know that was trash

Has done half of what it is touted to do? That’s a joke!!! You taking up for it is a joke! My company hasn’t had a single person die from Covid….yet 3 have passed due to complications from the vaccine…go figure!

You need to chill dude. No one is taking up for the vaccine. Your company is an extremely small sample size man. I work for Delta Airlines, 88k employees, and I personally knew three who died from covid so ur statement about your company is pretty irrelevant. Have your thoughts and opinions, but as @Ricky10 has attested to, not many vaccinated people are having severe cases of covid. Those who are, seem to be older. This is NOT to say that if you are unvaccinated you will have a severe case of Covid. As @BigT as pointed out, he and his wife are both over 60 and had mild cases as most people do.

Before you or anyone goes off about this, I'm not defending anything. Just because I disagree with what you said doesnt mean i'm coming to the defense of the vaccines. I myself am not vaccinated. Almost everyone around me and in my family is, and none of them have had any health issues as of yet and God willing, they never will but only time will tell long term.

You nor anyone in this thread can call the vaccines dangerous, then turn around in the same breath and say covid is no different than the flu. Both statements have falsehoods. Yes people have had bad side effects from the vaccine, and yes people have died from it. People have also died from covid, even those with no comorbidities, and also including young perfectly healthy people.

On the flip side of this, (Not considering their effectiveness) the vast majority of people have tolerated the "vaccines" without dangerous side effects (so far). Just like the vast majority of people catch and get through covid with no issues.

 

[thebigt]

If by going by that then no, but it was always stated to also reduce hospitalizations We all know that was trashYou need to chill dude. No one is taking up for the vaccine. Your company is an extremely small sample size man. I work for Delta Airlines, 88k employees, and I personally knew three who died from covid so ur statement about your company is pretty irrelevant. Have your thoughts and opinions, but as @Ricky10 has attested to, not many vaccinated people are having severe cases of covid. Those who are, seem to be older. This is NOT to say that if you are unvaccinated you will have a severe case of Covid. As @BigT as pointed out, he and his wife are both over 60 and had mild cases as most people do.

Before you or anyone goes off about this, I'm not defending anything. Just because I disagree with what you said doesnt mean i'm coming to the defense of the vaccines. I myself am not vaccinated. Almost everyone around me and in my family is, and none of them have had any health issues as of yet and God willing, they never will but only time will tell long term.

You nor anyone in this thread can call the vaccines dangerous, then turn around in the same breath and say covid is no different than the flu. Both statements have falsehoods. Yes people have had bad side effects from the vaccine, and yes people have died from it. People have also died from covid, even those with no comorbidities, and also including young perfectly healthy people.

On the flip side of this, (Not considering their effectiveness) the vast majority of people have tolerated the "vaccines" without dangerous side effects (so far). Just like the vast majority of people catch and get through covid with no issues.

i am hearing that death from omicron might be as low as 1%...i wonder what the true percentage of death by vaccine is?

good post btw!!!

 

[mechka_grizli]

i am hearing that death from omicron might be as low as 1%...i wonder what the true percentage of death by vaccine is?

good post btw!!!

Im hoping this is true and while I dnt what the true percentage is, its look a lot less deadly than before.

Sadly we may never know the true death numbers from the vaccine as some people die long after the shot.

 

[thebigt]

Im hoping this is true and while I dnt what the true percentage is, its look a lot less deadly than before.

Sadly we may never know the true death numbers from the vaccine as some people die long after the shot.

even though my family all got covid early on and chose to be unvaxxed....i truly pray there are no long term bad effects from vaccines---only time will tell.

 

[thebigt]

Well I looked it up on the CDC website. Physicians are required to report whenever someone dies and the vaccine may have been a factor. Same goes for medical devices that fail, etc. They go back and try to determine why, whether it was a bad batch or allergies or whatever. They take it pretty seriously. And so far in the US there's been 10,688 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. A lot more than I would of thought.

But they also say 496 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 20, 2021, so the mortality rate is 0.0022% or 2.2 per 100,000. And with the US having had 830,000 people dead from covid now and a clear immunity benefit from the vaccine it only makes sense to get the shot... especially a medical worker like me, or an older person or someone with health issues, or a quarterback with millions of fans who gets paid millions and works in stadiums with a bunch of huddled guys. I think most of the issues have been thrombosis from the Johnson and Johnson shot and that's been scrutinized a lot.

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i would be sad if the number were even 1 since the government is practically forcing it on people and the draft dodger president is calling me[someone who actually did serve this country] unpatriotic for not getting vaccinated.

i just hope and pray i am wrong and there are no long term bad effects from a vaccine the government is pushing so hard.

 

[Oswizle]

Let’s go Brandon

 

[thebigt]

And I'll also say this isn't all about mortality rates here. I've been out in Manhattan, the city that never sleeps, on a night when all that could be seen for miles was me and a rat. I've had a trouble with my bank and trouble paying for my hotel so I spent all day ubering around trying to find an open bank. A lot of businesses have failed. It's debatable how many... 12% or 60% or whatever. People have lost their jobs. The country has put on a lot of debt. And people are afraid to leave the house. Domestic violence and depression/suicide is up. Kids aren't going to school.

joe will fix everything!!!

he will heal us AND unite us...he promised us he would!!!

well, he also promised 'if you get the vaccine you won't get covid', and called covid 'illness of unvaccinated'.

he also promised back in april of 2021 that by july 4th 2021 we will have covid in rear view mirror--maybe joe isn't so good at keeping promises?

 

[thebigt]

My life doesn't revolve around who the President is. It could be Trump, Biden, Hillary, Reagan, Roosevelt, Lincoln, Putin, Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, Joe Rogan or you or me. It would've all unfolded almost exactly the same way it has.

are you drunk or high ...lincoln and roosevelt are long dead, in order for either of them to be president we would be living in a time before covid-eh?

who ya gonna call...

 

[thebigt]

Seriously, put them in a time machine and although they're clueless about germs and viruses they've got the same advisors. They would've done the same logical things. The opposition would've criticized them. There'd be very little difference on how this unfolded.

man, don't tell me that-i watched star trek as a kid-i know that changing one little thing changes the whole equation of how things turn out...you have no way of knowing how things would have played out with even 1 variable being changed...

i'm going to bed, let me know when you invent a working holodeck!!!

 

[Young Gotti]

If by going by that then no, but it was always stated to also reduce hospitalizations We all know that was trashYou need to chill dude. No one is taking up for the vaccine. Your company is an extremely small sample size man. I work for Delta Airlines, 88k employees, and I personally knew three who died from covid so ur statement about your company is pretty irrelevant. Have your thoughts and opinions, but as @Ricky10 has attested to, not many vaccinated people are having severe cases of covid. Those who are, seem to be older. This is NOT to say that if you are unvaccinated you will have a severe case of Covid. As @BigT as pointed out, he and his wife are both over 60 and had mild cases as most people do.

Before you or anyone goes off about this, I'm not defending anything. Just because I disagree with what you said doesnt mean i'm coming to the defense of the vaccines. I myself am not vaccinated. Almost everyone around me and in my family is, and none of them have had any health issues as of yet and God willing, they never will but only time will tell long term.

You nor anyone in this thread can call the vaccines dangerous, then turn around in the same breath and say covid is no different than the flu. Both statements have falsehoods. Yes people have had bad side effects from the vaccine, and yes people have died from it. People have also died from covid, even those with no comorbidities, and also including young perfectly healthy people.

On the flip side of this, (Not considering their effectiveness) the vast majority of people have tolerated the "vaccines" without dangerous side effects (so far). Just like the vast majority of people catch and get through covid with no issues.

not that I remember, the vaccine was promoted to stop Covid, full stop

A vaccine wouldn’t prevent hospitalizations either, it would provide immunity

They promised people a mansion, and people are getting a 1 bedroom apartment with these vaccines, that’s not ok

vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Someone said to me today it should be labeled as a prophylactic, which makes more sense to me, it’s still offering a hope of prevention which the vaccines aren’t doing but it’s better

At least then there isn’t such thing as prophylactic mandate

no one is labeled an anti prophylaxxer

it would also put the choice back in each of our hands as to weather we take it or not…but the elites don’t want to give up that

 

[mechka_grizli]

not that I remember, the vaccine was promoted to stop Covid, full stop

A vaccine wouldn’t prevent hospitalizations either, it would provide immunity

They promised people a mansion, and people are getting a 1 bedroom apartment with these vaccines, that’s not ok

vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Biden, and the general public turned it into, get vaccinated and you won't get covid but when Moderna and Pfizer first released their studies, they always said that it proved X amount of protection against infection, AND X amount of protection against hospitalization which means that it was never intended to be a full and complete stop.

In medical terms, vaccines have never been defined as something that completely stops an infectious disease. Its defined as exactly what you stated, something that stimulates an immune response and teaches the body to recognize that pathogen in the future, which is exactly what the vaccines have shown to do.

It was obvious a very long time ago that the vaccines were not as effective has promoted at stopping infection, but they have shown to be effective in actually doing what they are suppose to do, which is trigger an immune response and help stop severe cases of covid. I will agree with you and everyone else it doesnt do a very good job of stopping infection, but the bigger picture needs to be acknowledged, and at this stage I'm not sure anyone can argue against it, and that its effective at reducing severe covid symptoms and helping to keep people out of the hospital

The real issue as @poison & @BigT and many others here have stated, is that there should be and should have been a much more concentrated effort on treatment. Telling people go home, and only come back if you get too sick, at that stage its too late. I'm saddened to think about the amount of people that could have been saved simply by giving them treatment at the first sign of symptoms. Its like once the vaccines came out, they stopped trying to work on other treatments and threw their full weight behind it. Other treatment options should have continued to be explored

 

[Nodus1]

vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The CDC has changed the definition of vaccine. Now a vaccine provides "protection" against virus and the word "immunity" has been removed.

 

[Kronic]

I've had trouble getting laid.

imagine blaming covid for being un-loveable

 

[Young Gotti]

The CDC has changed the definition of vaccine. Now a vaccine provides "protection" against virus and the word "immunity" has been removed.

yeah i don't subscribe to their definition, i reject all the changing of definitions

 

[Young Gotti]

Biden, and the general public turned it into, get vaccinated and you won't get covid but when Moderna and Pfizer first released their studies, they always said that it proved X amount of protection against infection, AND X amount of protection against hospitalization which means that it was never intended to be a full and complete stop.

In medical terms, vaccines have never been defined as something that completely stops an infectious disease. Its defined as exactly what you stated, something that stimulates an immune response and teaches the body to recognize that pathogen in the future, which is exactly what the vaccines have shown to do.

It was obvious a very long time ago that the vaccines were not as effective has promoted at stopping infection, but they have shown to be effective in actually doing what they are suppose to do, which is trigger an immune response and help stop severe cases of covid. I will agree with you and everyone else it doesnt do a very good job of stopping infection, but the bigger picture needs to be acknowledged, and at this stage I'm not sure anyone can argue against it, and that its effective at reducing severe covid symptoms and helping to keep people out of the hospital

The real issue as @poison & @BigT and many others here have stated, is that there should be and should have been a much more concentrated effort on treatment. Telling people go home, and only come back if you get too sick, at that stage its too late. I'm saddened to think about the amount of people that could have been saved simply by giving them treatment at the first sign of symptoms. Its like once the vaccines came out, they stopped trying to work on other treatments and threw their full weight behind it. Other treatment options should have continued to be explored

i view the 100% effective argument to be lazy, of course no vaccine is 100% effective and the study showed that they weren't 100% effective....i also don't think anyone is putting out expectations for them to be

however if other vaccines aren't 100% effective, they were still effective enough to eradicate diseases of the past....these vaccines clearly are not doing that and thats where i take issue

a proper vaccine will trigger an immune response and provide "immunity", thats the key word

immunity: the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.

the vaccinated aren't resisting an infection at all....sure the infection may be less severe but people are still being infected

so by referring to them as "vaccines", we have to admit they have been epic failures....if they are labeled as a treatment to reduce severity, then sure thats fine but the whole "vaccine" push by force should also be thrown out and it should be a personal choice

 

[mechka_grizli]

so by referring to them as "vaccines", we have to admit they have been epic failures....if they are labeled as a treatment to reduce severity, then sure thats fine but the whole "vaccine" push by force is should also be thrown and it should be a personal choice

Damn good paragraph here

 

[Nodus1]

yeah i don't subscribe to their definition, i reject all the changing of definitions

In general, so am I. But I'm on the fence here. Perhaps the original definition was less accurate, but simply accepted for so long out of convention. I mean are any "vaccines" 100% effective at providing immunity for a particular virus? 99% effective? At what point does a vaccine become a treatment, if the criteria is strictly "immunity"?

 

[thebigt]

i view the 100% effective argument to be lazy, of course no vaccine is 100% effective and the study showed that they weren't 100% effective....i also don't think anyone is putting out expectations for them to be

however if other vaccines aren't 100% effective, they were still effective enough to eradicate diseases of the past....these vaccines clearly are not doing that and thats where i take issue

a proper vaccine will trigger an immune response and provide "immunity", thats the key word

immunity: the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.

the vaccinated aren't resisting an infection at all....sure the infection may be less severe but people are still being infected

so by referring to them as "vaccines", we have to admit they have been epic failures....if they are labeled as a treatment to reduce severity, then sure thats fine but the whole "vaccine" push by force is should also be thrown and it should be a personal choice

how often do we see polio, measles and small pox here in the USA?

just sayin...

 

[thebigt]

Biden, and the general public turned it into, get vaccinated and you won't get covid but when Moderna and Pfizer first released their studies, they always said that it proved X amount of protection against infection, AND X amount of protection against hospitalization which means that it was never intended to be a full and complete stop.

In medical terms, vaccines have never been defined as something that completely stops an infectious disease. Its defined as exactly what you stated, something that stimulates an immune response and teaches the body to recognize that pathogen in the future, which is exactly what the vaccines have shown to do.

It was obvious a very long time ago that the vaccines were not as effective has promoted at stopping infection, but they have shown to be effective in actually doing what they are suppose to do, which is trigger an immune response and help stop severe cases of covid. I will agree with you and everyone else it doesnt do a very good job of stopping infection, but the bigger picture needs to be acknowledged, and at this stage I'm not sure anyone can argue against it, and that its effective at reducing severe covid symptoms and helping to keep people out of the hospital

The real issue as @poison & @BigT and many others here have stated, is that there should be and should have been a much more concentrated effort on treatment. Telling people go home, and only come back if you get too sick, at that stage its too late. I'm saddened to think about the amount of people that could have been saved simply by giving them treatment at the first sign of symptoms. Its like once the vaccines came out, they stopped trying to work on other treatments and threw their full weight behind it. Other treatment options should have continued to be explored

the funny thing is for social media like facebook and twitter banning the accounts of people who post misinformation about covid--when 'president' biden and his admin are the WORST offenders of all!!!

but never fear-joe will save us---i actually saw several biden supporters calling him the greatest president of all time--not making this up..i don't name call the mentally ill and that is why i don't name call biden, but anyone who call biden the greatst president of all time is either seriously ill OR a complete and total MORON!!!!

 

[Young Gotti]

how often do we see polio, measles and small pox here in the USA?

just sayin...

exactly my point

 

[Young Gotti]

In general, so am I. But I'm on the fence here. Perhaps the original definition was less accurate, but simply accepted for so long out of convention. I mean are any "vaccines" 100% effective at providing immunity for a particular virus? 99% effective? At what point does a vaccine become a treatment, if the criteria is strictly "immunity"?

a vaccine becomes a treatment when it doesn't provide immunity, and the definition worked for other vaccines, so why change it now? why not hold these to that same standard?.....no vaccine is 100%, however past vaccines were effective enough to provide enough of the population immunity to eradicate specific diseases, more than enough people have been vaccinated at this point that if these vaccines provided any type of immunity that numbers would be much lower

at this point there isn't an effective enough covid "vaccine" to provide the immunity which would in turn eradicate covid

this is just speculation but i believe you can take anyone who is vaccinated or boosted for covid, put them in a room that has aerosolized covid virus and they will eventually test positive, can we say that about other vaccines?

 

[mechka_grizli]

how often do we see polio, measles and small pox here in the USA?

just sayin...

exactly my point

a vaccine becomes a treatment when it doesn't provide immunity, and the definition worked for other vaccines, so why change it now? why not hold these to that same standard?.....no vaccine is 100%, however past vaccines were effective enough to provide enough of the population immunity to eradicate specific diseases, more than enough people have been vaccinated at this point that if these vaccines provided any type of immunity that numbers would be much lower

at this point there isn't an effective enough covid "vaccine" to provide the immunity which would in turn eradicate covid

this is just speculation but i believe you can take anyone who is vaccinated or boosted for covid, put them in a room that has aerosolized covid virus and they will eventually test positive, can we say that about other vaccines?

In defense, you put enough anything in the air and eventually the immune system will be over ran. Polio, smallpox, measles etc are vaccinated against at birth. Essentially no choice. So EVERYONE is 100% vaccinated against it. It never has a chance to get going. 30+% of unvaccinated people is still a lot (im one of them).

To further state the point, any one who comes into this country, or any time someone catches or has smallpox, measles, polio etc, they are immediately isolated. If the vaccines were 100% effective, I would think there wouldnt be a need to do that.

 

[Young Gotti]

In defense, you put enough anything in the air and eventually the immune system will be over ran. Polio, smallpox, measles etc are vaccinated against at birth. Essentially no choice. So EVERYONE is 100% vaccinated against it. It never has a chance to get going. 30+% of unvaccinated people is still a lot (im one of them).

To further state the point, any one who comes into this country, or any time someone catches or has smallpox, measles, polio etc, they are immediately isolated. If the vaccines were 100% effective, I would think there wouldnt be a need to do that.

according to the cdc, take it with a grain of salt, the vaccine is 90% effective after 1 dose and 99%-100% effective after 3 doses

Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.

also they had to start a polio vaccine rollout at some point where the vast majority weren't vaccinated, but the vaccine worked so the numbers dropped

even if we had 100% vaccination rate for covid, it wouldn't stop the spread since the vaccinated can get/spread the disease, even at 70% vaccination rate, the number of positive cases would drastically decrease if it provided immunity

they might not need to isolate but it's safer to have them do so, especially since something like polio is not only deadly but affects infants....luckily we haven't had to deal with that since 1993, which should show how affective that vaccine is....even though it was a complete mess when they first released it

 

[Tunaking14]

My life doesn't revolve around who the President is. It could be Trump, Biden, Hillary, Reagan, Roosevelt, Lincoln, Putin, Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, Joe Rogan or you or me. It would've all unfolded almost exactly the same way it has. You've got to stop thinking about this as a political thing.

then why is the left politicizing it? Do you Ho early think the gov’t cares about your/my health? I’m sure Covid has nothing to do with your ability to get laid……just saying.