Tested positive for Covid

[muscleman]

haha luckily I grabbed several bottles before prices got jacked on the nac

I don’t know what he is but he isn’t in the medical community with those arguments

I haven´t followed, is any new use or light on NAC lately?
Googled just a bit and found some people had used NAC in corona treatment
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[Young Gotti]

That's a good study. Apparently the meta analysis included the Elgazzar paper that had to later be withdrawn due to plaigarism and data manipulation and it accounted for 15.5% of the effect. But, as you can see people are hard at work trying to prove it has any benefit.


I know it probably feels that way. You've run into the same fallacy many others have before you. A Dr gives a patient one thing, he gets better. He gives it to all his patients, and they get better. All doctors give it to their patients and they're getting better. Then a study done all over the world with thousands of patients shows the treatment is actually killing people.

Case in point, up until very recently we were using a very expensive, complicated ventilator called the high frequency oscillating ventilator (HFOV). We thought we were saving people, until such a massive study had to be stopped early because clearly more people were dying on it. We still use it on newborns, and it works for them. Very strange.

good thing the author of the meta analysis took that study out and still found scientifically significant benefits for ivermectin

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good try tho

that study was also taken down without consulting with the authors of the study

 

[Young Gotti]

I haven´t followed, is any new use or light on NAC lately?
Googled just a bit and found some people had used NAC in corona treatment
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[Kronic]

I haven´t followed, is any new use or light on NAC lately?
Googled just a bit and found some people had used NAC in corona treatment
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NAC will always be relevant because it produces glutathione. that's the body's natural anti-inflammatory. I like to inject glutathione a bit more, but I do NAC in between injections

 

[Kronic]

I haven´t followed, is any new use or light on NAC lately?
Googled just a bit and found some people had used NAC in corona treatment
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NAC will always be relevant because it produces glutathione. that's the body's natural anti-inflammatory. I like to inject glutathione a bit more, but I do NAC in between injections

 

[Young Gotti]

It's a pretty weak benefit though, and which studies to include and remove will be debated for some time. And do any benefits outweigh the side effects?

94% effective when used prophylaxis and 66% for early treatment is weak?

And why do you have to attack me as a troll? I don't have to "try" anything here. The mainstream medical view and mainstream America is with me. You're the one on the fringe. Why do you have to act like it's not a dewormer and anyone who calls it such is stupid? It very clearly is a dewormer and anti-parasitic. Never been used for anything else until 2020 for rosacea caused by mites. Experimentally for chemotherapy. And probably used 99.99% of the time in animals. Do these debate tactics really ever work for you?

Yes the benefits outweigh everything, that’s a huge part of the argument, ivermectin is one of the safest drugs in existence…there is no harm in trying it, the safety profile is better than Tylenol

because your responses are the same debunked tired talking points as the mainstream, you saying you are on the side of the mainstream is not a good thing since as your own poll shows, the mainstream has done little to no research on the Drug they are attempting to dismiss

the mainstream runs with the narrative that the vaccine is the only answer which is hilarious at this point since that is obviously not the case and the vaccine is not getting us out of this pandemic

anyone who first refers to it as a vet medication shows they are not willing to have an honest conversation about it, to then say it’s a de wormer further puts you in the kook category, no better than the ignorant mainstream opinion you hold so near and dear

 

[thebigt]

Yes the benefits outweigh everything, that’s a huge part of the argument, ivermectin is one of the safest drugs in existence…there is no harm in trying it, the safety profile is better than Tylenol

because your responses are the same debunked tired talking points as the mainstream, you saying you are on the side of the mainstream is not a good thing since as your own poll shows, the mainstream has done little to no research on the Drug they are attempting to dismiss

the mainstream runs with the narrative that the vaccine is the only answer which is hilarious at this point since that is obviously not the case and the vaccine is not getting us out of this pandemic

anyone who first refers to it as a vet medication shows they are not willing to have an honest conversation about it, to then say it’s a de wormer further puts you in the kook category, no better than the ignorant mainstream opinion you hold so near and dear

the list of drugs that are prescribed by both doc's and vet's is very, very long.....seriously long....humongously long....did i say LONG

 

[Young Gotti]

the list of drugs that are prescribed by both doc's and vet's is very, very long.....seriously long....humongously long....did i say LONG

yep, it’s long like…, but we don’t refer to them as animal medications when a human takes it

really weird how that’s become a go to for this drug however

 

[thebigt]

yep, it’s long like…, but we don’t refer to them as animal medications when a human takes it

really weird how that’s become a go to for this drug however

many if not most antibiotics prescribed for humans are also prescribed for animals---imagine telling your doctor you don't want to take a antibiotic because it is also prescribed for animals....original testing for vaccines was done on animals--imagine that!!!

 

[sammpedd88]

Agree here. Standard US doctors aren't trained to think outside the box.

Unfortunately this is the sad truth.

 

[Kronic]

do you guys remember when doctors mostly complained about frivolous lawsuits against doctors and medical facilities for malpractice? sometimes I wonder if that's why they won't do stuff like ivermectin or hydroxy unless the magical list of meds they can peddle matches when they search for covid treatment

 

[sammpedd88]

Except it worked for me, and plenty of others.

Worked for me too. And guess what….my dr prescribed it to me.

 

[Kronic]

Worked for me too. And guess what….my dr prescribed it to me.

clip clop uwu?

 

[thebigt]

do you guys remember when doctors mostly complained about frivolous lawsuits against doctors and medical facilities for malpractice? sometimes I wonder if that's why they won't do stuff like ivermectin or hydroxy unless the magical list of meds they can peddle matches when they search for covid treatment

i would say that for the vast majority in any occupation covering your ass overrides sticking your neck out to 'do the right thing'....i'm sure many doctors wish they were able to do more, but if they go out of the box and get sued they know they won't be covered....the days of marcus welby md are long gone.

it looks like up until lately big pharma was content to rake in the MULTI-$BILLIONS from vaccines--now that so many have been vaccinated all of a sudden big pharma is coming up with treatments---in the words of gomer pyle-SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE

 

[sammpedd88]

Well, this is exactly what it says on the human grade box:
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Hydroxychloroquine is also an anti-parasitical drug but is also used to treat lupus, arthritis and is used as an malaria preventative.

There’s a ton of meds used for off-label use. You truly are closed minded and brain washed by the medical “professionals” you work with.

If you don’t think this entire vaccine push and covid treatments are being politically controlled, then you’re very stupid.

 

[thebigt]

Hydroxychloroquine is also an anti-parasitical drug but is also used to treat lupus, arthritis and is used as an malaria preventative.

There’s a ton of meds used for off-label use. You truly are closed minded and brain washed by the medical “professionals” you work with.

If you don’t think this entire vaccine push and covid treatments are being politically controlled, then you’re very stupid.

he joined on dec 11 and has 86 posts, looks like a good 70 or better are in the covid threads--makes

Well, this comes from a doctor at the Mayo Clinic:
"If I said to you, you know what, instead of an FDA-approved vaccine that's been tested in hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, let's take a drug that's used to treat parasites," Poland said on the Mayo Clinic podcast. "And many people are buying it over the counter in an animal treatment preparation that hasn't been studied for this, which makes people sick, can cause hallucinations, coma, and if you take it when you're pregnant, can cause birth defects, and let's use that instead."

"So, this is one of those, you can't even believe that you're seeing and hearing this," Poland said. "You can't believe the number of calls to poison control centers as people take this drug unregulated, often taking the animal preparation, which is not FDA regulated, has other ingredients in it that human forms of the drug do not have, and they're getting sick, and no benefit.

"It's hard to explain."

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at any given time MAYO clinic has 12,000 studies underway to solve the worlds most challenging medical problems....so what solutions has the MAYO clinic made towards treatment of covid?

i'm all in for better treatments-you have any?

 

[mase1]

Seems like all CNN propaganda just repeated. Funny thing we all are or know or have doctors and nurses in our families. None of them are saying what this guy is repeating. Definitely not in the medical field.

 

[Kronic]

You don't have to attack the Mayo Clinic. Their reputation speaks for itself. And this particular doctor was named by President George W. Bush to be president of the Health Defense Board. He's also been president of the Armed Forces Epidemiological Board and worked for over ten years as a consultant to the department. Poland also received the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service in 2004 and a Mastership in the American College of Physicians in 2008. I guarantee he knows a hell of a lot more about this than anyone here.

The thing is we've been trying to cure the flu ever since modern medicine was developed. And what do we have? A vaccine and Tamiflu. It's gonna be awhile before we get anything better for covid.

wrong. we could just get healthier. i dont think I'll ever catch covid, don't need a vaccine. I've never needed flu shots either. wat are you doing? eating a prostitutes ass?

 

[thebigt]

You don't have to attack the Mayo Clinic. Their reputation speaks for itself. And this particular doctor was named by President George W. Bush to be president of the Health Defense Board. He's also been president of the Armed Forces Epidemiological Board and worked for over ten years as a consultant to the department. Poland also received the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service in 2004 and a Mastership in the American College of Physicians in 2008. I guarantee he knows a hell of a lot more about this than anyone here.

The thing is we've been trying to cure the flu ever since modern medicine was developed. And what do we have? A vaccine and Tamiflu. It's gonna be awhile before we get anything better for covid.

ok, now that you mention it, lets talk about flu shots...my wife and i have have both gotten a flu shot every year for at least the last 10 years and have not had a bad cold or flu in all of those years-actually we got flu shots several months prior to contracting covid in march of this year-we also both got pneumonia shot 3 years ago and were told they are good for up to 7 years-we also got flu shots at end of october of this year--so flu shots appear to have been much more effective for us than the covid vaccines are for many who get them...

 

[thebigt]

Some people don't have that choice. I took care of a 16 year old pregnant girl with covid on a ventilator because pregnancy screws with your immune system. Should her heart stop and she need CPR the plan was to cut the baby out first per AHA recommendations. Also had HIV and cancer patients. And organ transplants and others I'm sure you can guess.

When the vaccine first came out I really didn't care if people refused it. Like 99% of the at risk people got it and the others if they want to risk getting sick so be it. But now with the mutations the vaccine is working for some and not for others. And it's gotten to the point that if you don't get it then you might make someone who did sick.

'Fully vaccinated people can spread the omicron variant, CDC confirms'

 

[Nodus1]

I think he's just a troll. lol @ pretending to be an icu doctor

I think he's actually the guy in charge of the dirty needles after the person responsible for the dirty needles disposes of them.

 

[thebigt]

It's hit or miss weather they get the right strains or not. I'm pretty much forced to get it. But the flu shots aren't considered super effective they're relying on the majority of the population to get it for more of a herd immunity effect rather than the single person getting it being absolutely protected. But it sounds like you're older so the high dose flu shot is the way to go for you.

The pneumonia shot doesn't actually protect against pneumonia, just pneumococcal bacteria. And not in the lungs. It prevents a certain type of sepsis not pneumonia. It's very misleading.

either way like you said i am older and when my wife and i contracted covid our symptoms were very mild, and neither of us have been sick with bad cold or flu in over 10 years---including covid which for us was only a very mild cold.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, some vaccinated people can and some can't. And that's scary, and why your vaccination status can affect others. If these vaccines worked 100% of the time (or even 95% of the time as initially advertised) then who cares if you got it so long as the at risk people got it. But as it mutates it's not as effective anymore. But what we do know after going in hundreds of millions of people is that it is safe.

that was what was reported before omicron, now i'm reading that they haven't determined if being fully vaccinated prevents spread of disease anymore than being unvaccinated--the big fear is that fully vaccinated may be unknowing asymptomatic carriers-which would actually be more dangerous than someone who feels sick and decides to either stay at home or get tested.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah that's what I keep telling people. With most people with covid all they need to do is go home and rest. But for that 1 in 200 people who get it, god help ya because it's going to just keep eating at your body and not ivermectin nor jock itch cream is going to save you. We don't know why. It's been speculated something about your blood type or if you have neanderthal genes.

lol-i've been called worse!!!

 

[thebigt]

No that's not true. You kind of need to be coughing to spread the disease. I mean you can probably breathe or sing real heavily and possibly spread it but that's not considered a major mode of spreading. Same goes for if you wipe your nose, touch something and someone else touches it and wipes their nose. It's the coughers that are major spreaders.

unfortunately in cold weather states tis the season---lately i have been hearing of guys in warmer weather states being ill with colds and flu--it's a fact of life here in indiana...don't forget hayfever/allergies.


seriously, having been around both i would have to say for certain from my experience that sneezers would be worse spreaders than coughers. i have seen some people sneeze some very powerful sneezes and the 'spray' goes everywhere, much worse than a cough, imo.

 

[thebigt]

Well you're probably my dad's age and he keeps asking me about what he read in the news. I'll tell you the same thing: you know what they say about opinons, and assholes? Since day 1 nobody has been able to predict this thing. Not the experts, the politicians, nor even Bill Gates lol.

Not because they're not smart, but because we have nothing to compare this to. I wouldn't be surprised if one day it just vanished, and nobody saw it coming. But yeah being indoors is a big reason for spreading and why the South has been getting sick in the summer.

ok, i like this more humble approach...best post you have made...welcome to AM

 

[Young Gotti]

Well, this comes from a doctor at the Mayo Clinic:
"If I said to you, you know what, instead of an FDA-approved vaccine that's been tested in hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, let's take a drug that's used to treat parasites," Poland said on the Mayo Clinic podcast. "And many people are buying it over the counter in an animal treatment preparation that hasn't been studied for this, which makes people sick, can cause hallucinations, coma, and if you take it when you're pregnant, can cause birth defects, and let's use that instead."

"So, this is one of those, you can't even believe that you're seeing and hearing this," Poland said. "You can't believe the number of calls to poison control centers as people take this drug unregulated, often taking the animal preparation, which is not FDA regulated, has other ingredients in it that human forms of the drug do not have, and they're getting sick, and no benefit.

"It's hard to explain."

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except most of what you just quoted is flat out incorrect, so there’s that

1. Who is saying instead? Sure you can use ivermectin instead but you can also use it as a supplement to the vaccine…so that framing is not accurate
2. The vaccines are not fda approved
3. Ivermectin has a longer track record than the vaccines in terms of safety
4. People are buying it otc because the fda refuses to acknowledge the data…they can’t get the medication for their issue during a pandemic, how sad is it that drs and govt agencies are withholding a life saving drug from people, so they have to go find it on their own?
5. Again the safety data on ivermectin is amazing, the fear mongering won’t work here
6. Poison control calls was debunked
7. Many of the horse paste products only contain ingredients that humans already consume
8. Ivermectin has more studies done on it for Covid than mercks drug, but that was passed with serious side effects…this isn’t a data thing because we have the data on ivermectin and it’s overwhelmingly positive
9. Just saw your other post…what about the highly regarded drs who say ivermectin works? I hope you are aware you can be a quality dr and be wrong…I’m sure fauci may have qualifications and was outstanding at one point, now he’s a kook
10. No one is saying ivermectin is a cure all but it is an effective tool to be used…right now it’s looking like the only “cure” as you say is natural immunity

 

[slickwillie]

I haven’t had a reason to spend much time looking at this thread, just randomly from time to time. I myself have dodged the Covid bullet so far. However, last night my daughter called me in tears and said she tested positive for Covid. The problem is she is 11 weeks pregnant. Not to mention she has an 18 month old boy to take care of. She was hoping she just had the flu, as she is congested, has a bit of a cough, has lost her sense of taste, and is extremely fatigued. The folks at the urgent care center where she was tested told her to go home, get some rest and take vitamin C. I have zero medical background, but WTF? She will be trying to make contact with her regular doctor today to see what to do next. She is more worried about the health of the growing fetus than anything.

 

[Young Gotti]

Well, here's his twitter account:
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Feel free to direct message him and tell a Master in the American College of Physicians and a Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service how he is an absolute idiot and you should hold his position at Mayo Clinic. And the vaccines are in fact FDA approved. At first it was emergency approval but now after vaccinating hundreds of millions of people it has full approval.

Here's what he said:
"If I said to you, you know what, instead of an FDA-approved vaccine that's been tested in hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, let's take a drug that's used to treat parasites," Poland said on the Mayo Clinic podcast. "And many people are buying it over the counter in an animal treatment preparation that hasn't been studied for this, which makes people sick, can cause hallucinations, coma, and if you take it when you're pregnant, can cause birth defects, and let's use that instead."

"So, this is one of those, you can't even believe that you're seeing and hearing this," Poland said. "You can't believe the number of calls to poison control centers as people take this drug unregulated, often taking the animal preparation, which is not FDA regulated, has other ingredients in it that human forms of the drug do not have, and they're getting sick, and no benefit.

"It's hard to explain."
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I don’t use Twitter and have no interest in taking his position…just because he’s ignorant on this subject it doesn’t mean he’s clueless on everything

and no, none of the vaccines are approved…there is 1 approved vaccine and it’s not available….so you are pretending unicorns are real with your response

you need to do better with your responses because this nonsense your replying with isn’t helping your case

 

[Kronic]

I haven’t had a reason to spend much time looking at this thread, just randomly from time to time. I myself have dodged the Covid bullet so far. However, last night my daughter called me in tears and said she tested positive for Covid. The problem is she is 11 weeks pregnant. Not to mention she has an 18 month old boy to take care of. She was hoping she just had the flu, as she is congested, has a bit of a cough, has lost her sense of taste, and is extremely fatigued. The folks at the urgent care center where she was tested told her to go home, get some rest and take vitamin C. I have zero medical background, but WTF? She will be trying to make contact with her regular doctor today to see what to do next. She is more worried about the health of the growing fetus than anything.

she should get monoclonal antibodies 100% call doctors til you can get it

the hospital can't give them to her. she does NOT want to be in a hospital

(this is Delta variant probably)

make sure to say she is pregnant, I think that will get them to agree she needs early treatment

 

[Young Gotti]

I haven’t had a reason to spend much time looking at this thread, just randomly from time to time. I myself have dodged the Covid bullet so far. However, last night my daughter called me in tears and said she tested positive for Covid. The problem is she is 11 weeks pregnant. Not to mention she has an 18 month old boy to take care of. She was hoping she just had the flu, as she is congested, has a bit of a cough, has lost her sense of taste, and is extremely fatigued. The folks at the urgent care center where she was tested told her to go home, get some rest and take vitamin C. I have zero medical background, but WTF? She will be trying to make contact with her regular doctor today to see what to do next. She is more worried about the health of the growing fetus than anything.

that’s one of the main problems…most places will just send you home to rest without any type of early treatment

they simply say, go to the hospital if it gets too severe

it’s disgusting

 

[slickwillie]

she should get monoclonal antibodies 100% call doctors til you can get it

the hospital can't give them to her. she does NOT want to be in a hospital

(this is Delta variant)

I agree. Problem is there is a nationwide shortage of the monoclonal antibodies. Maybe her pregnancy will enable her to get the infusion. She’s reached out to her doc.

 

[Kronic]

I agree. Problem is there is a nationwide shortage of the monoclonal antibodies. Maybe her pregnancy will enable her to get the infusion. She’s reached out to her doc.

ya that was my thought too. best of luck! being pregnant she has extra stem cells so technically you'd think a pregnant person would actually do best

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

How are you doing? All recovered now?

Yes sir, all good now. I'm just recovering from the laparoscopic appendectomy. My wife and daughter are also in the clear.

 

[Kronic]

Funny, I went down to my local grocery store and got it. No problems whatsoever:
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And seriously, you believe you know better than the most informed people in the world on this topic. In fact you think they're comically ignorant. You should be contacting them and correcting them

it's not available lol

 

[slickwillie]

Where else are ya gonna go that will stick an IV in her arm and slowly give her a drug over a couple of hours? Unless your state has set up an infusion center (I know Texas has) you're stuck going to a hospital for that. And how do you know what variant it is?

My daughter lives in the Atlanta area. My best friend lives in Tyler,Texas, and after he tested positive for Covid he got his monoclonal antibodies infusion at home.

 

[Young Gotti]

Funny, I went down to my local grocery store and got it. No problems whatsoever:
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And seriously, you believe you know better than the most informed people in the world on this topic. In fact you think they're comically ignorant. You should be contacting them and correcting them

no, you didn't

Despite news reports claiming otherwise, the CDC has officially confirmed that Comirnaty is not currently available in the United States, meaning no FDA-approved Covid vaccine is available to Americans. The new Pfizer Covid vaccine, Comirnaty, was approved by the FDA in August of this year, making it the first COVID-19 vaccine to receive a full FDA authorization.

you can get the eua pfizer vaccine but you can not get the comirnaty vaccine, that article was posted on December 27th

you mean the doctors all over the world who agree with everything i'm saying? again, your posts are meaningless...experts disagree on this, i did the research, i showed you the data that supports everything i've said

i laid out how the person from the mayo clinic made false and ignorant statements, it's not that hard to discredit the quotes you posted

 

[Kronic]

It was for me. Apparently there's some sort of misinformation campaign out there to say you can't get it. Call your local pharmacy. There's no shortage:
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what color cap did your vial have?

 

[Young Gotti]

Here's from the associated press:
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No shortage. Go get it at your local grocery store. I did.

yeah that doesn't address with what i said buddy

there is zero available fda approved vaccines

you are confusing the pfizer eua vaccine with the pfizer fda approved vaccine which is not available, i would hope if you are in the medical community as you claim you'll be able to know the difference between receiving an eua product vs an approved product

 

[Kronic]

just gonna block thanos lol

 

[Young Gotti]

Ha! Did you even read it?
"CLAIM: There is currently no FDA-approved vial of COVID-19 vaccine available in the U.S.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Pfizer vaccine, which is now marketed as Comirnaty, is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use by those 16 and over and is available in the U.S.

THE FACTS: Following the U.S. Food and Drug administration’s Invalid Link Removed last week for those 16 and over, posts online are misrepresenting the announcement to falsely claim the vaccine still lacks formal approval.

One Instagram post acknowledged the Comirnaty vaccine had received FDA approval, but made the false claim that the only available doses are Pfizer vials that are still just under emergency use authorization.

In fact, Comirnaty is the new brand name Pfizer is using to market its COVID-19 vaccine and there is no distinction between the two."

You've been down the rabbit hole on too many conspiracy sites.

except that fact check is wrong hahaha

go to the store and tell them you want the comirnaty vaccine...not the pfizer vaccine but specifically the comirnaty vaccine

also while you are there ask them for the paperwork for the pfizer vaccine and they will hand you the eua stuff

i literally posted that the cdc acknowledged that comirnaty vaccine is not available and you post an AP article? yeah this isn't going very well for you

News reports, including “fact checks” from USA Today, claim that the Comirnaty vaccine is simply the rebranded name of the original Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine that initially received the EUA.
Therefore, the news reports argue, a full FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine is available to Americans. “The authorization changed, but the vaccine didn’t,” Invalid Link Removed

However, this is not the case.
Invalid Link Removed that the original Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine with the EUA and the Comirnaty branded vaccine are two “legally distinct” products.

 

[Young Gotti]

I just searched the CDC website. Where's this acknowledgement you claim? Should be pretty important news.

Indication & Authorized Use
COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech.

• It is approved as a 2-dose series for prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older
• It is also authorized under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to be administered for emergency use to:
  • prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 through 15 years, and
  • provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has received EUA from FDA to:

• prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older, and
• provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise

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COMINARTY products are not orderable at this time. NDCs are listed per FDA Structured Product Label (SPL) document for the BLA licensed product. These codes are not included in CDC Vaccine Code Set files at this time. Pfizer has provided the following statement regarding the COMINARTY branded NDCs and labels:

“Pfizer received FDA BLA license on 8/23/2021 for its COVID-19 vaccine for use in individuals 16 and older (COMIRNATY). At that time, the FDA published a BLA package insert that included the approved new COVID-19 vaccine tradename COMIRNATY and listed 2 new NDCs (0069-1000-03, 0069-1000-02) and images of labels with the new tradename.
At present, Pfizer does not plan to produce any product with these new NDCs and labels over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution. As such, the CDC, AMA, and drug compendia may not publish these new codes until Pfizer has determined when the product will be produced with the BLA labels

 

[mechka_grizli]

My daughter lives in the Atlanta area. My best friend lives in Tyler,Texas, and after he tested positive for Covid he got his monoclonal antibodies infusion at home.

Hey @slickwillie, Im in Atlanta. Piedmont Hospital does it and so does a place in Dalton Ga

 

[slickwillie]

Hey @slickwillie, Im in Atlanta. Piedmont Hospital does it and so does a place in Dalton Ga

Thanks! I’ll past that along to my daughter.

 

[mechka_grizli]

Thanks! I’ll past that along to my daughter.

Piedmont is by doctor referral only, but Dalton is drive up

 

[thebigt]

Hey @slickwillie, Im in Atlanta. Piedmont Hospital does it and so does a place in Dalton Ga

right on...good, helpful info!!!

 

[slickwillie]

Piedmont is by doctor referral only, but Dalton is drive up

Thanks. I’ll let her know.

 

[Nodus1]

Indication & Authorized Use
COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech.

• It is approved as a 2-dose series for prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older
• It is also authorized under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to be administered for emergency use to:
  • prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 through 15 years, and
  • provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has received EUA from FDA to:

• prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older, and
• provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise

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COMINARTY products are not orderable at this time. NDCs are listed per FDA Structured Product Label (SPL) document for the BLA licensed product. These codes are not included in CDC Vaccine Code Set files at this time. Pfizer has provided the following statement regarding the COMINARTY branded NDCs and labels:

“Pfizer received FDA BLA license on 8/23/2021 for its COVID-19 vaccine for use in individuals 16 and older (COMIRNATY). At that time, the FDA published a BLA package insert that included the approved new COVID-19 vaccine tradename COMIRNATY and listed 2 new NDCs (0069-1000-03, 0069-1000-02) and images of labels with the new tradename.
At present, Pfizer does not plan to produce any product with these new NDCs and labels over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution. As such, the CDC, AMA, and drug compendia may not publish these new codes until Pfizer has determined when the product will be produced with the BLA labels

I think this is basically a matter of semantics. COMINARTY and the Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine, while "legally distinct" are chemically identical.

The claim is, they managed to achieve FDA approval in one year for a protocol which typically takes 5-7 years to approve, due the speed in which the pharmaceutical companies and the Administration worked in the face of an emergency. I suppose that is plausible.

 

[thebigt]

I think this is basically a matter of semantics. COMINARTY and the Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine, while "legally distinct" are chemically identical.

The claim is, they managed to achieve FDA approval in one year for a protocol which typically takes 5-7 years to approve, due the speed in which the pharmaceutical companies and the Administration worked in the face of an emergency. I suppose that is plausible.

i saw where the big 3 vaccine manufacturers are making $65,000 every minute...i guess it's time to move on to treatment profits now?

i wish i had invested in pfizer stock before covid....dammit!!!

 

[Young Gotti]

I think this is basically a matter of semantics. COMINARTY and the Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine, while "legally distinct" are chemically identical.

The claim is, they managed to achieve FDA approval in one year for a protocol which typically takes 5-7 years to approve, due the speed in which the pharmaceutical companies and the Administration worked in the face of an emergency. I suppose that is plausible.

sure they can be 100% identical in terms of ingredients but that’s not the issue

There are changes that come for the company and the public when something goes from eua to fda approved such as liability

so when someone goes to get a vaccine thinking it’s approved, they are not receiving the approved version, it’s actually pretty scummy to approve something and then not provide it to the public because of liability or other issues

 

[Young Gotti]

Yeah we're talking about labels and brands here. And he's acting like Pfizer gave the vaccine for a year to over 100 million people under emergency use, then changed the formula, got full approval for the new formula and you can't get it. And that's clearly not what happened. Do you know how irresponsible and dangerous it is to tell people such a lie that we don't have an FDA approved vaccine, or at least you can't get it?

Nope, never said that, don’t lie to cover yourself now

not once did I mention the formula because it’s not about the formula

it’s dangerous to say that we have an fda vaccine available because as I proved today…we do not

the fda and cdc agree with me…you can tell them they are wrong

 

[poison]

I think this is basically a matter of semantics. COMINARTY and the Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine, while "legally distinct" are chemically identical.

False. They are not chemically identical; there's a reason the Pfizer vaccine, that everyone has received until now and will continue to receive for the unforseen future, is under an EUA, but Comirnaty, which you cannot get anywhere, is fully authorized.


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How do they differ chemically?

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"For the October 29, 2021 authorization of the manufacturing change to include an additional formulation of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer instead of PBS buffer used in the originally authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, FDA reviewed data on analytical comparability, which uses laboratory testing to demonstrate that a change in product formulation is not expected to impact safety or effectiveness. In the case of PfizerBioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, multiple different release parameters were evaluated, ranging from product appearance to size of the lipid-nanoparticle to the integrity of the modRNA in the product. Release and characterization tests include tests for purity, composition, and critical attributes of mRNA associated with the activity of the vaccine. In this case, analytical comparability to the current PBS formulation of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was demonstrated for the Tris formulation of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine through a combination of release and characterization testing. "



"13 Reference to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine hereinafter refers to both the PBS and Tris formulations, unless specifically delineated otherwise. "

The FACT that only Comirnaty is authorized for 5-11yo's (only under the EUA, FYI), but is NOT the one being administered, is absolutely criminal.

2 In the October 29, 2021 revision, FDA authorized: 1) the use of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for children 5 through 11 years of age; and 2) a manufacturing change to include an additional formulation of the PfizerBioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses tromethamine (Tris) buffer instead of phosphate buffered saline (PBS) used in the originally authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. The formulation of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer was authorized in two presentations: 1) Multiple dose vials, with gray caps and labels with a gray border, formulated to provide, without need for dilution, doses (each 0.3 mL dose containing 30 mg nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA)) for individuals 12 years of age and older; and 2) Multiple dose vials, with orange caps and labels with an orange border, formulated to provide, after dilution, doses (each 0.2 mL dose containing 10 µg modRNA) for individuals 5 through 11 years of age. The formulation that uses Tris buffer is the only formulation that is authorized for use in individuals 5 through 11 years of age.

Enjoy. /sarcasm

 

[sammpedd88]

I agree. Problem is there is a nationwide shortage of the monoclonal antibodies. Maybe her pregnancy will enable her to get the infusion. She’s reached out to her doc.

What state are you in?

 

[sammpedd88]

Thanks! I’ll past that along to my daughter.

South Carolina does too. My step son went last week to get it.

 

[Young Gotti]

Yeah they've changed the package and insert, that's all. And they want the ones with the old package used up before the new packages are sent out. Sounds reasonable. And the stuff made before the full authorization probably still covers Pfizer under emergency use. But you're making it sound like the Pfizer vaccine I got at the grocery store recently isn't the same one that the FDA approved. And that it's somehow less safe. And that's very dangerous misinformation.

literally that whole post is inaccurate

the pfizer vaccine you got isn’t the same vaccine…the vaccine you got is covered under eua and not fda approved, to tell people otherwise is dangerous misinformation

Re read the cdc website, pfizer has no plans to supply the approved vaccine, they will ride with the eua which is scummy

At present, Pfizer does not plan to produce any product with these new NDCs and labels over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution.

are we done here? You have been wrong on just about everything in this thread, there’s no point in arguing if you are constantly going to lie about facts that are put right in front of you

 

[Nodus1]

False. They are not chemically identical; there's a reason the Pfizer vaccine, that everyone has received until now and will continue to receive for the unforseen future, is under an EUA, but Comirnaty, which you cannot get anywhere, is fully authorized.


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The FACT that only Comirnaty is authorized for 5-11yo's (only under the EUA, FYI), but is NOT the one being administered, is absolutely criminal.



Enjoy. /sarcasm

Interesting, and I appreciate the citation. I was going off what I read on the Nebraska Medicine site.
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[Nodus1]

Yeah we're talking about labels and brands here. And he's acting like Pfizer gave the vaccine for a year to over 100 million people under emergency use, then changed the formula, got full approval for the new formula and you can't get it. And that's clearly not what happened. Do you know how irresponsible and dangerous it is to tell people such a lie that we don't have an FDA approved vaccine, or at least you can't get it?

You refer to ivermectin as horse de-wormer every time it's brought up, but you're accusing someone else of being irresponsible?
That's rich.

 

[mechka_grizli]

Except it worked for me, and plenty of others.

Worked for me too. And guess what….my dr prescribed it to me.

So here's the thing with saying it work, and before you guys go nuclear on me, I'm not against ivermectin. I in fact, hope to have some on hand, if unfortunately I catch covid again. But, as it stands, there is less than 2% chance of death from covid. As it has been said many times in this thread and the other big thread on this subject, the vast majority of people get through covid just fine. If that's the case, you two and many others, could have been just fine as well regardless of the ivermectin.

I've seen various studies on it from biased and non biased sources, and it's still a toss up as to whether or not it works from what I seen. There are HIGHLY respected Dr's who swear by it, and there are HIGHLY respected Dr's who say it doesn't work. Tell someone who doesnt believe it works, and they'll show you a study that it does. Tell someone who says it does work, and they'll show you a study that it doesn't.

Some of the websites showing studies for ivermectin have some serious flaws behind them. "The websites don't include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies or the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates. " (not my words)

I believe Ivermectin has its place and helps, but there are some red flags with a lot of the studies posted.

 

[Young Gotti]

So here's the thing with saying it work, and before you guys go nuclear on me, I'm not against ivermectin. I in fact, hope to have some on hand, unfortunately I catch covid again. But, as it stands, there is less than 2% chance of death from covid. As it has been said many times in this thread and the other big thread on this subject, the vast majority of people get through covid just fine. If that's the case, you two and many others, could have been just fine as well regardless of the ivermectin.

I've seen various studies on it from biased and non biased sources, and it's still a toss up as to whether or not it works from what I seen. There are HIGHLY respected Dr's who swear by it, and there are HIGHLY respected Dr's who say it doesn't work. Tell someone who doesnt believe it works, and they'll show you a study that it does. Tell someone who says it does work, and they'll show you a study that it doesn't.

Some of the websites showing studies for ivermectin have some serious flaws behind them. The websites don't include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies or the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates.

I believe Ivermectin has its place and helps, but there are some red flags with a lot of the studies posted.

I don’t think anyone will go nuclear on anyone for questioning anything…the problem a lot of people have is, people say it doesn’t work, they follow up with telling you to take the vaccine…nothing more

taking ivermectin or even the vaccine is a personal decision, if you want to take it, cool, if you dont, cool

most of the complaints I’ve seen are sample size of the studies but when you take all the studies the sample size is big enough
lack of double blind studies which during a pandemic do we really want to be conducting double blind studies? If I was 60 with Covid, I don’t want to be part of some study, the drug is proven safe, give it to me
Combining ivermectin with other things; which I think only makes sense to have a combination of things, I hope people don’t take the vaccine and that’s it, they should still be looking to increase their health and recovery if they get the virus
The studies have different dosing protocols which is normal since no one really knows the sweet spot
There was even a study of 20 mechanisms of ivermectin that couldn’t get peer reviewed simply because the authors included wording that suggested it’s benefit, luckily the authors fixed it and it went through but for some time, a lot of ppl hung their hats on that study being proof the ivermectin wasn’t effective

At the end of the day, we are on a bodybuilding site where people take supplements that provide maybe a 1% benefit…so if ivermectin only provided a small benefit, many people should at least have the ability to try it

same with vitamin d and zinc, it may only help a bit but many people find that to be worth it for them to take

at least for me, when I get Covid, I’d like to recover as quickly as possible, weather it be less symptoms or even feeling better a day or two quicker, especially if I can take something that isn’t detrimental to my health and it sounds like your in the same mind set

 

[GreenMachineX]

So here's the thing with saying it work, and before you guys go nuclear on me, I'm not against ivermectin. I in fact, hope to have some on hand, if unfortunately I catch covid again. But, as it stands, there is less than 2% chance of death from covid. As it has been said many times in this thread and the other big thread on this subject, the vast majority of people get through covid just fine. If that's the case, you two and many others, could have been just fine as well regardless of the ivermectin.

I've seen various studies on it from biased and non biased sources, and it's still a toss up as to whether or not it works from what I seen. There are HIGHLY respected Dr's who swear by it, and there are HIGHLY respected Dr's who say it doesn't work. Tell someone who doesnt believe it works, and they'll show you a study that it does. Tell someone who says it does work, and they'll show you a study that it doesn't.

Some of the websites showing studies for ivermectin have some serious flaws behind them. "The websites don't include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies or the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates. " (not my words)

I believe Ivermectin has its place and helps, but there are some red flags with a lot of the studies posted.

When I say it worked, I mean it literally cleared up the rest of my symptoms in 2 days. All gone. Within 4 hours of the first dose, the sinus congestion and clogged ears are gone. I'm not saying it prevented my death and that why it worked, but why it cleared up so fast was amazing.

 

[Young Gotti]

How is it different? You realize you are telling people that if they want the FDA approved vaccine they need to wait until the new boxes come out, right? And this might be in areas where life and death depend on that vaccine not some backwoods boonies.

nope, yet again that whole post is inaccurate

 

[Young Gotti]

I haven't seen any highly respected doctors who say Ivermectin works for covid. I've seen nutjobs who were politically partisan and fired or whatnot. But I'd like to see one single highly respected doctor who said that.

Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in his field, highly respected…well before the smear campaigns

Pierre kory is a top doctor and largely the reason the United States started using steroids to help treat Covid

Paul Marik has over 400 peer reviewed journals and is highly respected

you do not get to label people political nutjobs just because you have a political agenda

And don’t respond back, I don’t care about your opinion on things, it’s clear it is based in bias