THOR 70
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Still doesn’t justify an experimental vaccine with ZERO pregnancy safety data. Way more a of a dice roll in my opinion
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Still doesn’t justify an experimental vaccine with ZERO pregnancy safety data. Way more a of a dice roll in my opinion
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I have a friend that is a veteran nurse. She gave me a testimony at her hospital. On a Tuesday, everyone tested negative for COVID on her floor. Wednesday, one of the head nurses vaccinated the floor with the COVID shot. That same day after the shot, they all tested positive for COVID. Within a week after that 17 out of 37 of them suddenly died. Yeah, the shot will always be a STRONG PASS for me.
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Ricky10
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For pregnant women concerned about either scenario, it would probably be best to isolate as much as possible to avoid infection in the first place. Of course many women don’t have the means to do that.
If this is true, I would be much more interested in a criminal investigation of that head nurse
HIT4ME
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You guys bring up so many good points...I was going to quote and reply in old-school hit4me style, but I will spare you.
My feeling is that the J&J virus is unlikely to cause serious longterm issues. It is built on a tried and true platform and I doubt it will be a huge issue down the road. Do I know for sure? No, but I am not generally against vaccines and they don't generally cause serious longterm issues. Ironically the news made a big deal about J&J blood clots, but the issue wasn't really increased blood clots, it was an issue where people who had blood clots also had low platelets, making normal clot treatment potentially deadly. In comparison, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines DO show large increases in blood clots and got no news coverage that I saw.
What I do question is the efficacy of the current vaccines. In a town near where I live there was a covid breakout and 75% of the people who got sick were fully vaccinated. I have seen other data, some of which the news writers appear to be misinterpreting either intentionally or by lack of analytic ability, suggesting it may be a lot less than 60% effective.
Still, some data does suggest it works too. It is hard to say, but I think we had 50+ vaccines in the works and 3 of these got through fast and everyone assumed that was the answer...and it just may not work. Only time will tell.
On the same hand, given some data that immunity wanes quickly whether vaccinated or inoculated...this could become a big problem that is ongoing and we are all sick of it alreadt.
My feeling is that the J&J virus is unlikely to cause serious longterm issues. It is built on a tried and true platform and I doubt it will be a huge issue down the road. Do I know for sure? No, but I am not generally against vaccines and they don't generally cause serious longterm issues. Ironically the news made a big deal about J&J blood clots, but the issue wasn't really increased blood clots, it was an issue where people who had blood clots also had low platelets, making normal clot treatment potentially deadly. In comparison, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines DO show large increases in blood clots and got no news coverage that I saw.
What I do question is the efficacy of the current vaccines. In a town near where I live there was a covid breakout and 75% of the people who got sick were fully vaccinated. I have seen other data, some of which the news writers appear to be misinterpreting either intentionally or by lack of analytic ability, suggesting it may be a lot less than 60% effective.
Still, some data does suggest it works too. It is hard to say, but I think we had 50+ vaccines in the works and 3 of these got through fast and everyone assumed that was the answer...and it just may not work. Only time will tell.
On the same hand, given some data that immunity wanes quickly whether vaccinated or inoculated...this could become a big problem that is ongoing and we are all sick of it alreadt.
mechka_grizli
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For pregnant women concerned about either scenario, it would probably be best to isolate as much as possible to avoid infection in the first place. Of course many women don’t have the means to do that.
If this is true, I would be much more interested in a criminal investigation of that head nurse
I'm with Ricky10 on this one. Thats seems EXTREMELY SUSPECT!
HIT4ME
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For pregnant women concerned about either scenario, it would probably be best to isolate as much as possible to avoid infection in the first place. Of course many women don’t have the means to do that.
If this is true, I would be much more interested in a criminal investigation of that head nurse
Covid is a boon for serial killers and disgruntled hospital workers.
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Ricky10
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Are you referring to the Provincetown outbreak, where 346 vaccinated people were infected but only a few with comorbidities were hospitalized and zero people died? While there is a sliver lining to that, gven that the infections were deemed to be the highly transmissible delta variant, I think that’s pretty good. I’m not sure how many people they say took part in the event though. However, they do state the majority were vaccinated.
From what I know, its a big party involving alcohol, drugs, touching (to talk PG), all under very close quarters. I don’t think it’s a reliable indicator of how the vaccines can help prevent transmission under more normal day to day activities.
We have an official ”outbreak” at our hospital on a specific floor. 80-85 percent of us are vaccinated and ~ 200 of us were including in the group for testing every 3 days for the rest of the month. This testing has been going on for over a week, and so far only 8 people have tested positive. We do always wear surgical masks ”most” of the time, but apparently the ”science” doesn’t support that now anyway. At least for now…haha!
HIT4ME
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Fair assessment. I am not suggesting it is worthless, just that way have more work to do.
Ricky10
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So that is the one ey? Haha!
There are more alternatives hopefully just around the corner. Look up Provent and Novavax when you get a chance. Whether or not our corrupt governmental or a prohibitive special interest allows them to be brought to the table remains to be seen though..
ValiantThor08
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Oh, it's 100 percent true. I know my friend. She has integrity. She doesn't make stuff up, or lie. She left her job because of what she was seeing. The hospital is begging her to come back, even give her a raise, and she won't do it. By the way, she isn't the only nurse that has seen something like this occur. Another nurse I do not know has stated she is quitting her job because she noticed horrors directly after people started getting the COVID shot. She didn't get the shot, and after seeing what the shot was doing to other people, she would rather quit than be forced to take that poison. Something else, a couple months ago, coincidentally, the FDA approved a blood thinning drug for children.. Right on time for when kids are given the "clot shot".For pregnant women concerned about either scenario, it would probably be best to isolate as much as possible to avoid infection in the first place. Of course many women don’t have the means to do that.
If this is true, I would be much more interested in a criminal investigation of that head nurse
ValiantThor08
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If we are talking about shots or masks, I'm going to say they are not only worthless, but more dangerous than catching COVID.
thebigt
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thank you for sharing!!!
Dustin07
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I think it's worth noting that a LOT of these "long covid" lasting symptoms have historically also been mental. I'm not saying long covid issues don't exist but my best friend, my wife, and myself all had COVID at the same time. He and my wife have both been complaining about a bit of brain fog 5 months later, she doesn't associate her's to COVID, he wonders if his is a lingering symptom. I have felt it too. they both describe it as a new A.D.D., we all feel it's harder to focus at work etc.
I told him that while I can't discredit it being covid related, you have to remember that in 2019 we were going the hardest and fastest we've ever gone with an economy that was facing a labor shortage due to everyone working and record unemployment. When COVID hit we had to go double time cause of 'essential' business status, so we never took a break. we are now on 3 years of busting our asses as our businesses double in size but again, hard to get employees due to a labor shortage for other reasons.
2 weeks ago my wife and I took a long 8 day vacation on our boat and it was the best I have felt in ages. within a week of being back to work, the brain was tired again (LOL). So while lingering symptoms no doubt exist, I do think MANY mental issues from simple work exhaustion, social media exhaustion, world stresses etc are a bigger culprit. it's a mind game and people are being pressured into questioning everything they know WHILE SIMULTANOUSLY working harder and faster than we ever have.
Dustin07
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I do have to say that while I am not getting this vax, and I have had COVID:
1. I don't know of any vax'd person first hand with serious side effects other than a fever and sore arm for a few days.
2. I know of one person (aunt) who's death was classified as COVID
so based upon my first hand experiences, with very little first hand data it appears that I SHOULD get the vax and I should be concerned about COVID
despite that, my opinion still flies in opposition of what I'm seeing around me.
1. I don't know of any vax'd person first hand with serious side effects other than a fever and sore arm for a few days.
2. I know of one person (aunt) who's death was classified as COVID
so based upon my first hand experiences, with very little first hand data it appears that I SHOULD get the vax and I should be concerned about COVID
despite that, my opinion still flies in opposition of what I'm seeing around me.
THOR 70
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Look into how many saline injection “accidents” there have been. I’ve also spoken in person to a few doctors that did antibody tests on a lot of patients that were fully vaccinated and showed zero antibodies. Strange
I feel they may be doing approx 50% saline as a control group and to mitigate side effects/make it seem more appealing to people. Although anyone with half a brain shouldn’t correlate lack of short term side effects as a way to be comfortable with long term risks...yet here we are
THOR 70
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I can almost see myself typing this. I had covid and have had some potentially lingering fatigue and moments of brain fog. However, we are not in a peaceful/healthy environment anymore as you point to. Everyone is heightened and stressed. I took 4 days in the woods recently and it melted away. Come back and feel the fatigue/stress creeping back in.
Dustin07
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Amazing right? my conspiracy theory friends believe we are in the biggest mindfuck the world has ever seen and I have a hard time arguing with them.
Ricky10
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Well I don’t know what to make of that situation. It just seems extremely odd when we have yet to see anything concerning occur amongst our vaccinated staff.
The FDA probably approved Pradaxa for kids in case they need it when they are infected with the China virus
thebigt
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a person could write a book about how the government and press conspired to run a PSYOP to keep the public divided?
sounds like a george orwell book-eh?
thebigt
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Well I don’t know what to make of that situation. It just seems extremely odd when we have yet to see anything concerning occur amongst our vaccinated staff.
The FDA probably approved Pradaxa for kids in case they need it when they are infected with the China virus
sorry ricky, we agree on 97% of things but the divide among us with this topic is widening....nothing personal, i see this happening a lot---almost as if it were planned this way-eh?
Dustin07
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just a wee bit 1984
thebigt
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or the follow-up?
mechka_grizli
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Its really wild to me that there are some members here who completely disregard your (@Ricky10) first hand/frontline knowledge of whats goin on. He's been completely objective in all his posts. Not advocating for, or against the vaccine. Only giving first hand accounts as well as what he is seeing on a daily basis as a medical professional. Instead, people are relying on what they've "heard" from others, or read from sites that take 4 seconds to realize they have a bias. Several links have been posted about studies from websites with clear bias.Well I don’t know what to make of that situation. It just seems extremely odd when we have yet to see anything concerning occur amongst our vaccinated staff.
The FDA probably approved Pradaxa for kids in case they need it when they are infected with the China virus
This is how we got so divided as a country
Dustin07
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Everything is biased from both directions, refer to my post above about how all my real world experiences suggest my opinion should be in opposition to what it actually is.
THOR 70
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How has anyone disregarded his experience? Did you just make something up to prove your point?
thebigt
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i thought that ricky made it clear from the beginning he was a advocate for vaccines.........he just appeared to be more open minded about mandating vaccines before than he appears to be now?
i think this country was pretty divided before covid and if covid disappeared tomorrow i think the country would still be divided, but that's just my opinion.
Ricky10
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Well thanks! Yes, I am being as real as I can possibly be when I say what my first hand experiences are. This of course doesn’t mean I know everything, and nobody does. At the same time, we do hear lots of bullsh!t on many fronts regarding the virus and vaccines. While my job is about as involved as you can get with China virus patients, I also have a personal life outside the hospital just like anyone else. Bottom line, I think there is a percentage of people who underestimate the virus while being almost obsessively paranoid about the vaccines.
I have no agenda except to share my experiences and hopefully some people obtain something valuable from it! I do like to play devil’s advocate for treating the China virus with respect, while sharing some data from my hospital that I see regarding the vaccine and who is being admitted, and/or how well they do. I think people may trust that more than what they hear on the news?
I think getting more vaccines to happen through some means has to happen some way, as there are so many obviously vulnerable people out there who are making very poor choices. Of course I’m unsure of to what extent mandates will occur, or what they will look like from this point forward.
I’m actually on your side more than you may think. I actually don’t think people with a legit prior China virus infection like yourself should get vaccinated, simply because there seems to be little indication at this time. While we did have that patient with 2 separate infections, that is the only one we have seen. I very much believe in the power of natural immunity and I am very willing to admit that it seems to be more effective than what the vaccines have offered. At the same time, while the vaccines aren’t perfect, they have been immensely helpful thus far. When the vaccinated population only makes up 10-30% of the China virus admissions that I see (more like 10%- 1 of 9 right now) and largely do very well, I think that’s respectable!
The problem is people walking around with no protection, and/or don’t believe in the virus itself. This has to stop. Maybe people should be required to get a China virus risk assessment by their PCP?
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thebigt
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fair enough...but the government and employers who are mandating vaccines are not making exceptions for those like me who have had covid and whose proof is on file at clinic where positive test was performed...Well thanks! Yes, I am being as real as I can possibly be when I say what my first hand experiences are. This of course doesn’t mean I know everything, and nobody does. At the same time, we do hear lots of bullsh!t on many fronts regarding the virus and vaccines. While my job is about as involved as you can get with China virus patients, I also have a personal life outside the hospital just like anyone else. Bottom line, I think there is a percentage of people who underestimate the virus while being almost obsessively paranoid about the vaccines.
I have no agenda except to share my experiences and hopefully some people obtain something valuable from it! I do like to play devil’s advocate for treating the China virus with respect, while sharing some data from my hospital that I see regarding the vaccine and who is being admitted, and/or how well they do. I think people may trust that more than what they hear on the news?
I think getting more vaccines to happen through some means has to happen some way, as there are so many obviously vulnerable people out there who are making very poor choices. Of course I’m unsure of to what extent mandates will occur, or what they will look like from this point forward.
I’m actually on your side more than you may think. I actually don’t think people with a legit prior China virus infection like yourself should get vaccinated, simply because there seems to be little indication at this time. While we did have that patient with 2 separate infections, that is the only one we have seen. I very much believe in the power of natural immunity and I am very willing to admit that it seems to be more effective than what the vaccines have offered. At the same time, while the vaccines aren’t perfect, they have been immensely helpful thus far. When the vaccinated population only makes up 10-30% of the China virus admissions that I see (more like 10%- 1 of 9 right now) and largely do very well, I think that’s respectable!
The problem is people walking around with no protection, and/or don’t believe in the virus itself. This has to stop. Maybe people should be required to get a China virus risk assessment by their PCP?
i remember hearing about the chinese government boarding up houses of people infected with covid in wuhan and leaving them there to die...i honestly believe there are those on this forum who would have no problem with this--the same ones on this forum who liked the post of the guy who said that people who are not vaccinated should be prosecuted for manslaughter...NOW THIS IS WHY THIS COUNTRY IS DIVIDED!!!
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Ricky10
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Yes, I 100% agree that is a problem, and is poor science at this point in the game! I know, we think we have it bad here in this country with how the China virus is handled, but many countries are infinitely more strict and less forgiving than ours for sure. And not in good ways!
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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:
reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Results:
SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk
for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously
infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and
February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic
disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination
(from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was
demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to
7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21)
increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a
greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were
previously infected.
Conclusions:
This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant.
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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:
reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Results:
SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk
for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously
infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and
February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic
disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination
(from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was
demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to
7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21)
increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a
greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were
previously infected.
Conclusions:
This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant.
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thebigt
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what is ironic is many of the same people who think violent offenders should be paroled and released think that unvaccinated people should be imprisoned...THE DIVIDE IS WIDE
Ricky10
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While I think those are valid points in regard to the mental deficits one may experience post China virus, it really doesn’t correlate to anemia, blood clots, diabetes, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), hypertension, pain, respiratory distress, skin issues, and swallowing difficulties. Are you suggesting they could be psychosomatic from the mental aspect?
While I know many of you had mild illnesses, and your Aunt unfortunately did not, I will say this. I never would have imaged I would see a virus capable of being so devastating when I decided to get involved in this career. It trumps everything I have seen because it can take you down in such a hurry and it has produced the sickest patients we have ever dealt with. You can walk into the emergency department with oxygen saturations in the upper 80’s on room air, and end up on a ventilator requiring 100% oxygen in a matter of 12 hrs. Then multi-system failure ensues and it’s a battle for your life and nothing less.
My point being that anything capable of being that aggressive in severe cases, leaves me very uneasy about the impact it can have on peoples overall health down the road after recovery from even a mild illness.
thebigt
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i tested positive in early february and ran a 7k last month in 31 minutes, i will be 63 next month and had a full knee replacement done several years ago--considering how many years i was unable to run before knee replacement i am VERY proud of that time!!!
i run on average 5 times a week-i feel great!!!
thebigt
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thank you....appreciate the kind words
next time if i could get to -30 minutes i would be on cloud-nine
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Ricky10
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I know, and that’s great! I don’t mean to scare you or jinx anything, but just like many people worry about potential side effects 3 years and beyond for the vaccines, I feel likewise from China virus infections. I’m likely to have both if I haven’t already, so there’s that.
I tested negative again today for my third time in this surveillance “outbreak“ testing, which they have now extended until September 3rd. They are so ridiculous. I feel like they are just trying everything possible to piss us off now.
thebigt
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MST was the gold standard for codyceps for a lot of years and used it many times... but now i have to stay true to my brand--iconic formulations ALL OUT ULTRA.
thanks for the good headsup though. big fan of cordyceps!!!
thebigt
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see, that is the thing-i can say that my experience with covid was very mild-but can i say for certain i won't get bad side effects down the road-NO...
the same way no one can say for certain there won't be side effects from vaccines down the road...
if by no choice of my own i have risk of long term covid side effects, why on earth would i choose to, or should someone mandate me to have risk of side effects from BOTH???
mechka_grizli
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All you have to do is look at the responses to his posts.How has anyone disregarded his experience? Did you just make something up to prove your point?
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thebigt
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are you kidding me?
if only all exchanges of differing viewpoints could be as respectful as these posts have been...don't get out much do ya?
Dustin07
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I hope you stay safe and healthy buddy. Even though I am opposed to this vaccine, and basically any government involvement whatsoever that dictates what I "must" do, I still have respect for illness. I bet you have a phenomenal immune system doing what you do every day.
puccah8808
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Stay safe, everyone! We are literally burning out here in California! 
Dustin07
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Stay safe, everyone! We are literally burning out here in California!
we just got our first rainfall since like May this morning up here in western WA!
Ricky10
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Yes, and I hope all of you in this thread with natural immunity (which is basically everyone commenting) fair well and trust you will! I think we will all have to reevaluate things as the virus evolves, as well as vaccines. I am convinced us healthcare workers have gotten exposed to small viral loads since the beginning of this. So I do believe I may have a mixed immunity going on. Of course I could be completely wrong...haha.
Interestingly, I found out yesterday that we are not required to get the booster at MaineHealth even though most of us are close to 8 months out. You actually have to quality for it through having a legit immunosuppressive disease. Of course that could change.
mavup
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It is likely that the minimum viral dose necessary for a full immune response from a natural infection is between 300 and 1000 virions - below that, the immune response won’t be as robust, but perhaps it would have an effect against severe disease. So it doesn’t seem that far fetched for you to have some sort of “mixed immunity”
Dustin07
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for a bunch of T loaded dudes we are starting to sound a little hand-holdy lol