Climbing!!
I'm the eternal optimist. Also a realist. I'm that certain about this play.Good thought. I was feeling weak earlier! lol
Wait till you see the dips during squeeze. Imagine it hitting 1k, then dipping to 400. Have to prepare emotionally for what's to come.You guys have to admit, its a fukkd up feeling when it drops like this the past two days and you have to hold.
Dam it feels good when it bounces back.
I think I'm ready!!!!!Wait till you see the dips during squeeze. Imagine it hitting 1k, then dipping to 400. Have to prepare emotionally for what's to come.
Oh heck yes lol. I know exactly what you mean.You guys have to admit, its a fukkd up feeling when it drops like this the past two days and you have to hold.
Dam it feels good when it bounces back.
I put $15k in so that’s that for meWonder how many more times they will try this stunt?
I bought 100 shares at 39$ and change this morning and its up 10$ a share already.
I'm sure I'm not the only dummy that did this too
Safemoon has been disappointing thus far, but that is definitely a long play.I put $15k in so that’s that for me
Right now most of my recent new investment money has been going into Safemoon. Plotting a future plan on both crypto and stock if AMC works out for me.
I look at disappointing as a opportunity as I more than doubled my holdings since it’s “crash.” I just believe in the project long term as a 3-5+ year hold, and gamble of course :$Safemoon has been disappointing thus far, but that is definitely a long play.
i think i heard safemoon joe say it won't really take off towards end of the year when they are relaunching productsSafemoon has been disappointing thus far, but that is definitely a long play.
It’s almost unbelievable to think Safemoon is only a little over 100 days old.i think i heard safemoon joe say it won't really take off towards end of the year when they are relaunching products
True. Hoping the squeeze happens before safemoon begins to rise. So I can invest more.It’s almost unbelievable to think Safemoon is only a little over 100 days old.
oh wow is it really ?It’s almost unbelievable to think Safemoon is only a little over 100 days old.
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Investors on Reddit showed their power stopping a key AMC vote
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A thread on reddit says there are billions of syn shares that must be bought from retail. Does that sound right?Awesome to have retail with 80% of share voting power, and someone actually listening!!
The thing I struggle with is how AMC has 20% short/float whatever and GME had like 102%. When the GME squeeze happened as the first sudden retail driven event, stock zoomed up to $500.
So.... with far less short shares out for AMC, and less of an element of surprise, I don't see how this time will surpass the GME event. AMC can zoom and be great.... but I don't see a precedent or math that ever gets it anywhere close to $1000. But will be glad to be proved wrong!!
The price is just unlimited, its a matter of a holders putting their shares on the market for the shorts to buy so they can cover their bets.Awesome to have retail with 80% of share voting power, and someone actually listening!!
The thing I struggle with is how AMC has 20% short/float whatever and GME had like 102%. When the GME squeeze happened as the first sudden retail driven event, stock zoomed up to $500.
So.... with far less short shares out for AMC, and less of an element of surprise, I don't see how this time will surpass the GME event. AMC can zoom and be great.... but I don't see a precedent or math that ever gets it anywhere close to $1000. But will be glad to be proved wrong!!
As far as my understanding, the synthetics are really unproven theories, doesnt mean they dont exist or that they are being illegally utilized. Ortex has to go by official numbers.I don't see where billions of synthetic shares fit into the Ordex published numbers.... there are only so many listed shorts in play.
Nobody knows for certain if synthetics exist, and if they do we don’t know how much. It could be in the millions, some say millions are possible but whats needed is forensics investigation to prove it.Anyone trading synthetic equities? And is there an app that makes the trades
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A thread on reddit says there are billions of syn shares that must be bought from retail. Does that sound right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WallStreetbetsELITE/comments/ogboet
what @ax1 said .. i wouldnt put a price point on AMC .. GME was on pace to cross over $1k if halting didnt happenAwesome to have retail with 80% of share voting power, and someone actually listening!!
The thing I struggle with is how AMC has 20% short/float whatever and GME had like 102%. When the GME squeeze happened as the first sudden retail driven event, stock zoomed up to $500.
So.... with far less short shares out for AMC, and less of an element of surprise, I don't see how this time will surpass the GME event. AMC can zoom and be great.... but I don't see a precedent or math that ever gets it anywhere close to $1000. But will be glad to be proved wrong!!
AMC - if its true that we own the float over 80% and community is well advised that they wont sell for pennies ( it will keep climbling on and on .. until someone sells hedgies the shares )
A little over 500 million.What is the float again?
Adam Aaron confirmed the "retail" investor owns 80% of the entire float about a month ago. This did not include some international countries. This doesnt mean 80% or diamond handed apes.I think we own the 80% and NOT the float. And the float seems to be keeping pace with the shorts, allowing them a way out before any major squeeze.
The unknown is the dark pool, synthetics/naked, etc. Hoping this FTD threshold business and forced margins will be the catalyst we need to finally take off to gamma-ville.
I meant what does float mean? All shares available?A little over 500 million.
I think he meant what is the definition of the term "the float?"A little over 500 million.
Good questions...Looking at Yahoo finance for some quick numbers to discuss (outdated June 15th numbers, but you will get the point)
Total Float is 450m shares
Insiders hold 0.33%
Institutions hold 23.27%
Leaving Retail to hold the remaining 76%, right?
SHORT shares were 85.08m on this date
Short percent of float was 17.02% on this date
?? For the best mega gamma short squeeze potential, wouldn't we want the percent of float being shorted to be HIGHER than the amount officially held by institutions??? With retail holding the extra?
Gamma squeeze and short squeeze are two totally different things, but the gamma can trigger a short. There are 500 million shares in the free float, you can check webull buy bringing down a drop box by touching the price. It is confirmed retail ownes more than 80 percent of the entire float.Looking at Yahoo finance for some quick numbers to discuss (outdated June 15th numbers, but you will get the point)
Total Float is 450m shares
Insiders hold 0.33%
Institutions hold 23.27%
Leaving Retail to hold the remaining 76%, right?
SHORT shares were 85.08m on this date
Short percent of float was 17.02% on this date
?? For the best mega gamma short squeeze potential, wouldn't we want the percent of float being shorted to be HIGHER than the amount officially held by institutions??? With retail holding the extra?
Keep in mind too, its us, the hodlers/sellers that set the sale price. We as a whole can determine how far this may go up, and this includes institutional holders who are aware of the situation and are in this to make money as well. We set our minumums, we set our own selling prices....and of course, you can get greedy and miss out on alot of money so no guarantees here.Looking at Yahoo finance for some quick numbers to discuss (outdated June 15th numbers, but you will get the point)
Total Float is 450m shares
Insiders hold 0.33%
Institutions hold 23.27%
Leaving Retail to hold the remaining 76%, right?
SHORT shares were 85.08m on this date
Short percent of float was 17.02% on this date
?? For the best mega gamma short squeeze potential, wouldn't we want the percent of float being shorted to be HIGHER than the amount officially held by institutions??? With retail holding the extra?
The hypothesis is that that is the case and the numbers being shown are BS, if I understand correctly.Looking at Yahoo finance for some quick numbers to discuss (outdated June 15th numbers, but you will get the point)
Total Float is 450m shares
Insiders hold 0.33%
Institutions hold 23.27%
Leaving Retail to hold the remaining 76%, right?
SHORT shares were 85.08m on this date
Short percent of float was 17.02% on this date
?? For the best mega gamma short squeeze potential, wouldn't we want the percent of float being shorted to be HIGHER than the amount officially held by institutions??? With retail holding the extra?
Ax1 - the error I see here is that the 85 million DO NOT have to come from the 400 million retail ownership. Did you see the part I posted about Institutional ownership?? If the institutional has 100 million shares, don't they have more than enough to cover the hedge shorts with or without retail???85 million need to be covered from 400 million retail ownership, you cant assume the retail shareholders are just going to hand off their shares at any price the hedge-funds want them at.
So your assuming all the instutitional holders are the ones who own all the shorts which I dont think is the case for the most part, but Im not sure we can obtain all these numbers. I know Blackrock is a major shareholder with almost 6 million (the biggest holder I believe) and they arent shorting AMC as far as I know.Ax1 - the error I see here is that the 85 million DO NOT have to come from the 400 million retail ownership. Did you see the part I posted about Institutional ownership?? If the institutional has 100 million shares, don't they have more than enough to cover the hedge shorts with or without retail???
So far the shorts have covered in the money, no??
Millions of shorts still have to cover their bets, many still come from the era when they were in the hole at $25 and tanked down to $5, they never covered their shorts.....they still wanted to tank AMC to zero, and now they are really screwed unless they can tank AMC again which isnt going to happen since AMC is well funded into next year even of CCP-Virus version 2 shuts AMC down again.So far the shorts have covered in the money, no??
Keep in mind not all the institutional holders belong to the same club, they have their own interests. Not every institution wanted AMC to go bankrupt, the opposite actually. Back when GME happened some big D's did bail out little D's but Im sure there was a heavy price for that. On top of that I rememeber some regulation taking place afterwards that it cant be done like that again, but Im going by memory here....so many regulations have popped up since.Ax1 - the error I see here is that the 85 million DO NOT have to come from the 400 million retail ownership. Did you see the part I posted about Institutional ownership?? If the institutional has 100 million shares, don't they have more than enough to cover the hedge shorts with or without retail???
So far the shorts have covered in the money, no??
Your also assuming that institutions (which are not all even hedgefunds) that are long that if they put their shares on the market that many of them wont be gobbled up by potentially another million new retail investors swallowing up those shares. This is just more than math, the numbers cant match as you think they would because you have no idea where they are going and who who is buying them along with assuming assuming they all get put on the market in the first place. I doubt they will all be doing backdoor deals dumping off in darkpools just to allow some corrupt hedgefunds bail themselves out.I am more of a math guy than a stock guy, but I am pretty good at asking the tough questions. The argument being made that the price of AMC could ever go to the moon (above $1000) because the shorts HAVE to obtain retail shares at any cost seems simply untrue. There are more than enough institutional shares (100m) to cover every single short (85m). And I would think those shares would sell out long before a mega moon launch. Just keeping it real....
The biggest thing WE DO have going for us is the Threshold List of FTD's. That sounds like a problem someone is trying to delay. And ape sentiment is strong to force their hand, so I still expect a nice price surge. On top of that the mystery of synthetic shares and fraud in the hedge fund market that Lou seems to hint about from his inside sources. And AMC being a real company with real upside coming out of a pandemic shutdown.
So much more good than bad on the horizon I think. But still no giant space lasers in the sky....
Think about it like this, if a measly 1,00,000 new investors (think this is a global market) go FOMO after it hits $100 and their average purchase quantity 75 shares thats 75 million shares. And keep in mind there are rich people that are going to watch the news and jump in to making 75 share average attainable at those prices (right now retail average is about 120 shares if thats correct.)I am more of a math guy than a stock guy, but I am pretty good at asking the tough questions. The argument being made that the price of AMC could ever go to the moon (above $1000) because the shorts HAVE to obtain retail shares at any cost seems simply untrue. There are more than enough institutional shares (100m) to cover every single short (85m). And I would think those shares would sell out long before a mega moon launch. Just keeping it real....
The biggest thing WE DO have going for us is the Threshold List of FTD's. That sounds like a problem someone is trying to delay. And ape sentiment is strong to force their hand, so I still expect a nice price surge. On top of that the mystery of synthetic shares and fraud in the hedge fund market that Lou seems to hint about from his inside sources. And AMC being a real company with real upside coming out of a pandemic shutdown.
So much more good than bad on the horizon I think. But still no giant space lasers in the sky....
I have to throw this out even though I know you know this. Decide your own plan and your own numbers, dont let me or anyone influence your price. Just saying Id feel horrible if you sold too early or too late.I am more of a math guy than a stock guy, but I am pretty good at asking the tough questions. The argument being made that the price of AMC could ever go to the moon (above $1000) because the shorts HAVE to obtain retail shares at any cost seems simply untrue. There are more than enough institutional shares (100m) to cover every single short (85m). And I would think those shares would sell out long before a mega moon launch. Just keeping it real....
The biggest thing WE DO have going for us is the Threshold List of FTD's. That sounds like a problem someone is trying to delay. And ape sentiment is strong to force their hand, so I still expect a nice price surge. On top of that the mystery of synthetic shares and fraud in the hedge fund market that Lou seems to hint about from his inside sources. And AMC being a real company with real upside coming out of a pandemic shutdown.
So much more good than bad on the horizon I think. But still no giant space lasers in the sky....
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