Vaccine, anyone?

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But it's a DOCUMENTARY that's on national TV. I just want to know the clean TRUTH! With no stone left turned.



LOL. I like trolling too much 😄
The unbiased was a joke = ) Never heard of PBS before. Had to do some digging actually to even find out who's produced the program. It's weird they'll just show this kind of clearly a side taking program and don't give any additional info on the producers or anything. It's just 22.00 o'clock and here comes some info -> rolling.
don't feel bad, there are many here in the US who think pbs is unbiased...i guess if they are biased towards your own personal bias this would be considered un-biased, lol....btw-hitler put out lots of documentaries!!!!
 
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I mean, you can look at violent riots on either side and say they’re vile and reprehensible and not need to add “well these other people did it too.” There is no excuse for either side engaging in violent riots. I guess if someone wants to make a documentary on why domestic abuse is wrong, they also need to make one saying that rape is also wrong? As if they’re not both horrible on their own, regardless of what anyone else is doing, has done, or will do.

But yeah, of course that’s is not an objective documentary, no news is objective today lol.
exactly...as a private citizen i am under no obligation to tell both sides of any story....but as a GOVERNMENT funded news organization PBS should be held to a higher standard-eh?

conservatives pay taxes also, it is really dishonest for a government funded news organization to be so one sided, imo.
 
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But it's a DOCUMENTARY that's on national TV. I just want to know the clean TRUTH! With no stone left unturned.



LOL. I like trolling too much 😄
The unbiased was a joke = ) Never heard of PBS before. Had to do some digging actually to even find out who's produced the program. It's weird they'll just show this kind of clearly a side taking program and don't give any additional info on the producers or anything. It's just 22.00 o'clock and here comes some info -> rolling.
i think the relatively obvious humour in your post may have been missed brother....... when it comes to politics I steer clear of even attempting jokes for this reason 😂😂
 

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i think the relatively obvious humour in your post may have been missed brother....... when it comes to politics I steer clear of even attempting jokes for this reason 😂😂
That’s the biggest problem with what’s going on. People are entitled to their own opinion on politics and there should be a free exchange of thought without there being anger or feeling the need to censor or just shut down opposing ideas.
 
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That’s the biggest problem with what’s going on. People are entitled to their own opinion on politics and there should be a free exchange of thought without there being anger or feeling the need to censor or just shut down opposing ideas.

SHOULD, yes.

But that isn't happening.
Media sensors the truth.

And big business, like Twitter and Facebook sensor, shut you out, and ban you.

Even private businesses are telling people what is right and wrong to hold as their opinion. To the point now where they'll shut you out of their business, and even fire you for holding a differing opinion.
 

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SHOULD, yes.

But that isn't happening.
Media sensors the truth.

And big business, like Twitter and Facebook sensor, shut you out, and ban you.

Even private businesses are telling people what is right and wrong to hold as their opinion. To the point now where they'll shut you out of their business, and even fire you for holding a differing opinion.
And that is a VERY serious problem that will not end well. If this keeps up I really hope the Red States secede. I don’t understand how anyone is ok with that. I didn’t even vote for Trump in 2016 and I didn’t like him because of his personality. But then after COVID hit I started watching the daily briefings and I saw how the media would refuse to air his press conferences and then outright lie about what he said during them. But most people are only watching a bit of the news each day and all they know is what the news tells you. It’s sickening to watch them get away with it.
 
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SHOULD, yes.

But that isn't happening.
Media sensors the truth.

And big business, like Twitter and Facebook sensor, shut you out, and ban you.

Even private businesses are telling people what is right and wrong to hold as their opinion. To the point now where they'll shut you out of their business, and even fire you for holding a differing opinion.
What happened to conservatives believing that private companies have a right to refuse service for any reason? That a Christian baker can refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding? Or should only conservatives be allowed to arbitrarily refuse to provide services? And businesses don't typically fire people for having an opinion, but for sharing their opinions at work on company time using a company platform (like Kaepernick did, and a typical employee never would have been allowed to do). Or if they're a prominent public figure and you say REALLY stupid things, like Gina Carano comparing being a Republican in America to being a Jew in the Holocaust. Now, I'm no PR wizard, but the first rule of the internet is pretty much don't compare yourself to literal Holocaust victims. But if you're talking about people being fired for being a part of the capitol riot, well, a job can fire someone for committing a crime if they want to. But if you're just some random schmuck who is a random worker in a company where you're not at all a widely known public figure, or at least not putting your employer's info and your association with them when making political comments, merely saying things isn't really getting people fired. But I'm sure I'm going to just be accused of "rambling" here, or told that "it's obviously happening. It's so obvious bro" instead of an actual rebuttal.
And that is a VERY serious problem that will not end well. If this keeps up I really hope the Red States secede. I don’t understand how anyone is ok with that. I didn’t even vote for Trump in 2016 and I didn’t like him because of his personality. But then after COVID hit I started watching the daily briefings and I saw how the media would refuse to air his press conferences and then outright lie about what he said during them. But most people are only watching a bit of the news each day and all they know is what the news tells you. It’s sickening to watch them get away with it.
Because seceding worked so well for the Southern states last time?
 
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But I WILL point out an example of terrible actions by the "tolerant LEFT."


A server said she wouldn't wear a mask at work unless her employer put up a BLM sign in the restaurant or allowed her to wear a mask that said BLM on it. Which they of course didn't do, because people want food shoved down their throats when they go out to eat, not political messages and opinions. She then quit. I repeat, she was not fired, she quit because she did not want to follow the restaurant's rules. The restaurant has since had to close due to them receiving threats of violence, and there is apparently a rally planned by BLM supporters outside the restaurant. But this hardly sounds "peaceful" if there's already threats of violence.

This is horrible, and anyone who condones these threats on a business who did NOTHING wrong has no grounds to talk about any violence or domestic terrorism.

Imagine if EVERY worker in every store or restaurant was allowed to put up signs for their chosen political cause? Or if they were allowed to wear masks with whatever message or company or platform they wanted to? It would be a mess of things that would be bound to upset and alienate a good percentage of any demographic, as workers all have different views on different topics that the customers may not agree with, and want no part of while shopping/eating/etc.
 

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What happened to conservatives believing that private companies have a right to refuse service for any reason? That a Christian baker can refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding? Or should only conservatives be allowed to arbitrarily refuse to provide services? And businesses don't typically fire people for having an opinion, but for sharing their opinions at work on company time using a company platform (like Kaepernick did, and a typical employee never would have been allowed to do). Or if they're a prominent public figure and you say REALLY stupid things, like Gina Carano comparing being a Republican in America to being a Jew in the Holocaust. Now, I'm no PR wizard, but the first rule of the internet is pretty much don't compare yourself to literal Holocaust victims. But if you're talking about people being fired for being a part of the capitol riot, well, a job can fire someone for committing a crime if they want to. But if you're just some random schmuck who is a random worker in a company where you're not at all a widely known public figure, or at least not putting your employer's info and your association with them when making political comments, merely saying things isn't really getting people fired. But I'm sure I'm going to just be accused of "rambling" here, or told that "it's obviously happening. It's so obvious bro" instead of an actual rebuttal.

Because seceding worked so well for the Southern states last time?
The biggest joke of all of this is that you call yourself a conservative yet give every taking point used by progressives. People were fired for just attending the rally on Jan 6 even though they weren’t even near the Capitol. People were also fired from their jobs for speaking out against BLM violence. So your argument is that because Twitter is a private Company they have the right to ban you because they disagree with your political ideology?
Yes- the Red States should secede because the left has no respect for the constitution. They want to punish political opposition. This is what dictatorships do. They have already changed voting laws in their states in violation of the constitution. 75 plus million people in this country do not want socialism. Let the Blue States live in their Socialist Utopia like how it is in Portland and Seattle and now NYC. It doesn’t take a brain to see this is not going to end well. You are not going to force 75 million people to conform to a political ideology they don’t agree with. You are not going to attack people who disagree with you as racists and white supremacists, Trying to act like Jan 6 was an actual insurrection just shows the lack of basic history knowledge.
 

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But I WILL point out an example of terrible actions by the "tolerant LEFT."

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"I guess you missed the riots all summer long. Anyone who wants to act shocked over the jan 6 after witnessing what happened for 8 plus months in the liberal cities needs to sit down. They let that go on for months unchecked and now want to act like Jan 6 was the second coming of 9/11. GTFO. People are delusional.[/url]
 
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"I guess you missed the riots all summer long. Anyone who wants to act shocked over the jan 6 after witnessing what happened for 8 plus months in the liberal cities needs to sit down. They let that go on for months unchecked and now want to act like Jan 6 was the second coming of 9/11. GTFO. People are delusional.[/url]
Learn to use quotes properly you absolute dolt.
 
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What happened to conservatives believing that private companies have a right to refuse service for any reason? That a Christian baker can refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding? Or should only conservatives be allowed to arbitrarily refuse to provide services? And businesses don't typically fire people for having an opinion, but for sharing their opinions at work on company time using a company platform (like Kaepernick did, and a typical employee never would have been allowed to do). Or if they're a prominent public figure and you say REALLY stupid things, like Gina Carano comparing being a Republican in America to being a Jew in the Holocaust. Now, I'm no PR wizard, but the first rule of the internet is pretty much don't compare yourself to literal Holocaust victims. But if you're talking about people being fired for being a part of the capitol riot, well, a job can fire someone for committing a crime if they want to. But if you're just some random schmuck who is a random worker in a company where you're not at all a widely known public figure, or at least not putting your employer's info and your association with them when making political comments, merely saying things isn't really getting people fired. But I'm sure I'm going to just be accused of "rambling" here, or told that "it's obviously happening. It's so obvious bro" instead of an actual rebuttal.

Because seceding worked so well for the Southern states last time?
1st of all i don't think it's fair to compare facebook, twitter to a bakery...the choices for bakeries seem endless in comparison to the major social media businesses....and 2nd social media are afforded a protection that other private businesses aren't-section 230-if social media is going to be arbitrary in it's banning then it should forfeit section 230....3rd-the nfl SHOULD have fired players who refused to stand for violating well established rules of conduct, imo---i am 62 and until kaepernick had never seen a nfl player kneel for the national anthem.
 
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The biggest joke of all of this is that you call yourself a conservative yet give every taking point used by progressives. People were fired for just attending the rally on Jan 6 even though they weren’t even near the Capitol. People were also fired from their jobs for speaking out against BLM violence. So your argument is that because Twitter is a private Company they have the right to ban you because they disagree with your political ideology?
Yes- the Red States should secede because the left has no respect for the constitution. They want to punish political opposition. This is what dictatorships do. They have already changed voting laws in their states in violation of the constitution. 75 plus million people in this country do not want socialism. Let the Blue States live in their Socialist Utopia like how it is in Portland and Seattle and now NYC. It doesn’t take a brain to see this is not going to end well. You are not going to force 75 million people to conform to a political ideology they don’t agree with. You are not going to attack people who disagree with you as racists and white supremacists, Trying to act like Jan 6 was an actual insurrection just shows the lack of basic history knowledge.
Show me an example of someone being fired for “speaking out against BLM violence.” Please.

And yes, a private company can ban you for any reason. You literally agree to it when you sign up and don’t read the agreement but check the box anyway. And the conservative run Parlor removes posts and bans people too. Just like the conservative subreddits lead by conservative moderators.

And the people who stormed the capitol did think it was an insurrection, as they intended to use violence to put a leader in power, or keep them in power. You can’t use the argument that they felt he won, or deserved it, because of course radical supporters must inherently think their leader is right, or they wouldn’t try to get them in or keep them in power by means of violence.
 

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Show me an example of someone being fired for “speaking out against BLM violence.” Please.

And yes, a private company can ban you for any reason. You literally agree to it when you sign up and don’t read the agreement but check the box anyway. And the conservative run Parlor removes posts and bans people too. Just like the conservative subreddits lead by conservative moderators.

And the people who stormed the capitol did think it was an insurrection, as they intended to use violence to put a leader in power, or keep them in power. You can’t use the argument that they felt he won, or deserved it, because of course radical supporters must inherently think their leader is right, or they wouldn’t try to get them in or keep them in power by means of violence.
Pick up a history book and learn what an insurrection is. It sure as hell isn’t people sitting in an office chair. The only one that died from the violence was an unarmed Air Force veteran. If that happened at a left wing rally or “insurrection” they would’ve burned to place down the next night, The cop that “allegedly” got hit with a fire extinguisher - did not have any injuries and now they are trying to say he died from a reaction to bear spray. The left is a joke and they are making up more violence than there was. They actually edited the video which should be illegal but they make their own rules. There is no chance for unity that ship sailed. You can choose your side with Biden and CNN and the rest of the soy boys.
 
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Show me an example of someone being fired for “speaking out against BLM violence.” Please.

And yes, a private company can ban you for any reason. You literally agree to it when you sign up and don’t read the agreement but check the box anyway. And the conservative run Parlor removes posts and bans people too. Just like the conservative subreddits lead by conservative moderators.

And the people who stormed the capitol did think it was an insurrection, as they intended to use violence to put a leader in power, or keep them in power. You can’t use the argument that they felt he won, or deserved it, because of course radical supporters must inherently think their leader is right, or they wouldn’t try to get them in or keep them in power by means of violence.
do you believe that every person who attended a blm protest that turned into a riot intended for it to become a riot and was there for the reason of rioting and looting???
 

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The left rioted and destroyed our cities for months and they wanna act like far right extremism is the biggest threat? These people are beyond insane. And no don’t even say it’s both sides cause it’s not. One side had a riot in Jan 6 - there were also at least 20 members of Antifa when they first breached the Capitol. The other side was terrorizing parts of the liberal cities for months. And the worst part about it is that the government in those cities DID NOTHING.
 
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Pick up a history book and learn what an insurrection is. It sure as hell isn’t people sitting in an office chair. The only one that died from the violence was an unarmed Air Force veteran. If that happened at a left wing rally or “insurrection” they would’ve burned to place down the next night, The cop that “allegedly” got hit with a fire extinguisher - did not have any injuries and now they are trying to say he died from a reaction to bear spray. The left is a joke and they are making up more violence than there was. They actually edited the video which should be illegal but they make their own rules. There is no chance for unity that ship sailed. You can choose your side with Biden and CNN and the rest of the soy boys.
An insurrection is explicitly defined as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government." These people violently revolted against the established government's enacting of appointing a new President as voted by the people and the electoral college. Yes, the people thought the election was not fair, but that does not change that it was an insurrection. Of course people who commit acts of violence for political ends must inherently and necessarily think they are justified and their cause is just, otherwise they would not do it.

And now you're bringing in a conspiracy theory about the officer who was killed? Do you think he isn't really dead, or that he just happened to die of totally unrelated causes?

And "soy boy?" Real clever and original. I bet you're the pinnacle of masculinity. A prime Schwarzeneggerian specimen. Oh wait, you probably think Arnold is a "soy boy" too, with his supporting masks, condemnation of the capitol riots, and criticism of Trump.
 
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do you believe that every person who attended a blm protest that turned into a riot intended for it to become a riot and was there for the reason of rioting and looting???
If they entered the buildings that were being destroyed and looted, or otherwise participated once it started to happen, then yes. If not, then no.
 

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do you believe that every person who attended a blm protest that turned into a riot intended for it to become a riot and was there for the reason of rioting and looting???
Exactly. I was just about to type that. So if I hire someone who has attended a BLM rprotesr then I have the right to fire that person because BLM is a violent, Marxist organization? That would be ridiculous. But they think it’s ok when it’s done to Trump supporters. These people are so stupid that they don’t understand where this goes when history has given us that answer.
 
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If they entered the buildings that were being destroyed and looted, or otherwise participated once it started to happen, then yes. If not, then no.
is this the same as those who attended the jan6 capital incident being treated?

i don't know, but would like to think that merely showing up to protest what they thought was a injustice shouldn't make them guilty of insurrection???
 
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Learn how to make gains bro.
Ok, I'm actually genuinely curious to see what you look like now. Surely you're an absolutely Schwarzeneggerian specimen. But you probably think Arnold is a "soy boy" too, since he believes in and encourages mask use, and vocally criticized Trump and the Capitol riot.
 
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is this the same as those who attended the jan6 capital incident being treated?

i don't know, but would like to think that merely showing up to protest what they thought was a injustice shouldn't make them guilty of insurrection???
That's how I think they should be treated. If you entered the capitol or destroyed any property, you are part of the riot. If you stood at a good distance away and never participated, that is a different story.
 

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An insurrection is explicitly defined as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government." These people violently revolted against the established government's enacting of appointing a new President as voted by the people and the electoral college. Yes, the people thought the election was not fair, but that does not change that it was an insurrection. Of course people who commit acts of violence for political ends must inherently and necessarily think they are justified and their cause is just, otherwise they would not do it.

And now you're bringing in a conspiracy theory about the officer who was killed? Do you think he isn't really dead, or that he just happened to die of totally unrelated causes?

And "soy boy?" Real clever and original. I bet you're the pinnacle of masculinity. A prime Schwarzeneggerian specimen. Oh wait, you probably think Arnold is a "soy boy" too, with his supporting masks, condemnation of the capitol riots, and criticism of Trump.
Arnold is another virtue signaler like yourself. The ME hasn’t released the autopsy report but it’s already been leaked that there is no blunt force trauma at all. So then they tried spin the Bear Spray story. The Conspiracy Theory is that the officer was killed by the mob when there is ZERO proof and that’s why no one was charged. There are hundreds of Cameras. So you believe the officer was killed by the mob? Where is the Autopsy? How many arrests for felony assault have there been? Conspiracy theory is that Far Right Extremists are more of a threat than Antifa. Conspiracy theory is that Jan 6 was an insurrection.
 
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Arnold is another virtue signaler like yourself. The ME hasn’t released the autopsy report but it’s already been leaked that there is no blunt force trauma at all. So then they tried spin the Bear Spray story. The Conspiracy Theory is that the officer was killed by the mob when there is ZERO proof and that’s why no one was charged. There are hundreds of Cameras. So you believe the officer was killed by the mob? Where is the Autopsy? How many arrests for felony assault have there been? Conspiracy theory is that Far Right Extremists are more of a threat than Antifa. Conspiracy theory is that Jan 6 was an insurrection.
So Arnold is a "soy boy?" Yes or no...

And please tell me what you think happened with the officer then. Is he not really dead, or did he actually die of a totally unrelated cause? Or are you going to tell me Antifa poisoned him and blamed it on the people in the capitol who were "totally peaceful?"
 

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So Arnold is a "soy boy?" Yes or no...

And please tell me what you think happened with the officer then. Is he not really dead, or did he actually die of a totally unrelated cause? Or are you going to tell me Antifa poisoned him and blamed it on the people in the capitol who were "totally peaceful?"
You tell me how he died. Why hasn’t the Medical Examiner’s report been released? I think he died of an unrelated cause. You are just assuming he was killed without any evidence. There is obviously a death certificate with the COD but not being released.
 
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You tell me how he died. Why hasn’t the Medical Examiner’s report been released? I think he died of an unrelated cause. You are just assuming he was killed without any evidence. There is obviously a death certificate with the COD but not being released.
Is Arnold a "soy boy?" Yes or no...
 

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Is Arnold a "soy boy?" Yes or no...
Arnold is just like the rest of the elitists who equate virtue signaling with Status. No one cares what Hollywood thinks and they are becoming more irrelevant by the day. They don’t scare the struggles of everyday people - or they forgot what it’s like. When you align yourself with big tech, the Hollywood elitists, the Billionaire Businsses- you are on the wrong side. That’s why I respect Trump. He’s not a sellout and he stands alone. It’s hard to stand alone. It’s easy to fall in line with the bullies.
 
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Arnold is just like the rest of the elitists who equate virtue signaling with Status. No one cares what Hollywood thinks and they are becoming more irrelevant by the day. They don’t scare the struggles of everyday people - or they forgot what it’s like. When you align yourself with big tech, the Hollywood elitists, the Billionaire Businsses- you are on the wrong side. That’s why I respect Trump. He’s not a sellout and he stands alone. It’s hard to stand alone. It’s easy to fall in line with the bullies.
Trump is LITERALLY a billionaire Hollywood elite... or at least he claimed to be. Trump is just as out of touch with the realities of the layman's life and struggles as ANY other politician, likely even much more so.
 

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Trump is LITERALLY a billionaire Hollywood elite... or at least he claimed to be. Trump is just as out of touch with the realities of the layman's life and struggles as ANY other politician, likely even much more so.
I don’t care what Trump did as a citizen it’s what he did as the president that I care about. Look at the list of Trump donors then look at who donated to Biden.
 

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Biden and his family along with a long list of names have used their power abd political influence to enrich themselves with energy companies throughout the world. Romney, Kerry etc. Now Biden ends the pipeline an energy independence. How convenient
 

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Look at how much the Clintons and Obama’s made after they left office. It’s disgusting.
 
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Biden and his family along with a long list of names have used their power abd political influence to enrich themselves with energy companies throughout the world. Romney, Kerry etc. Now Biden ends the pipeline an energy independence. How convenient
Wait, you're serious? Because Trump definitely hasn't put ANY family members, friends, and campaign allies in political positions. Nope. None. Never.

And still waiting to see your Herculean physique, since you accused me of needing to learn how to make gains.
 
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That's how I think they should be treated. If you entered the capitol or destroyed any property, you are part of the riot. If you stood at a good distance away and never participated, that is a different story.
and if someone attended a blm protest and helped to hold a banner that stretched the length of the street that said..'what do we want-dead cops-when do we want it-now'...should they be held accountable for cops attacked and killed in line of duty?

the answer is no, just as the act of showing up on jan 6 didn't make you quilty of anything but exercising your rights under the 1st amendment...when i joined the military there was a saying...'i might not agree with what you are saying but i will defend with my life your right to say it'. freedom of speech is the cornerstone of our freedoms.
 
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and if someone attended a blm protest and helped to hold a banner that stretched the length of the street that said..'what do we want-dead cops-when do we want it-now'...should they be held accountable for cops attacked and killed in line of duty?

the answer is no, just as the act of showing up on jan 6 didn't make you quilty of anything but exercising your rights under the 1st amendment...when i joined the military there was a saying...'i might not agree with what you are saying but i will defend with my life your right to say it'. freedom of speech is the cornerstone of our freedoms.
If you hold a sign calling for violence at a location and time where violence occurred, then you probably can be found guilty of inciting violence. I don’t think it would be outlandish in your first scenario to say those people would be guilty of inciting violence, but not actual murder itself. Are you trying to be logical here, or merely hyperbolic? There’s other crimes beyond killing someone that one can be guilty of...
 
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If you hold a sign calling for violence at a location and time where violence occurred, then you probably can be found guilty of inciting violence. I don’t think it would be outlandish in your first scenario to say those people would be guilty of inciting violence, but not actual murder itself. Are you trying to be logical here, or merely hyperbolic? There’s other crimes beyond killing someone that one can be guilty of...
i didn't intend to make it that complicated...the moral of the story is that if you are going to say freedom of speech is ok because it is something you agree with, then you should be prepared to think that something you find offensive and disagree with should also be protected under 1st amendment free speech protections.
 
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i didn't intend to make it that complicated...the moral of the story is that if you are going to say freedom of speech is ok because it is something you agree with, then you should be prepared to think that something you find offensive and disagree with should also be protected under 1st amendment free speech protections.
Freedom of speech calling for violence isn’t ok though, on EITHER SIDE, especially when it leads to actual violence. Why don’t you think I can say that people calling for violence on both sides are wrong, and if their calls to violence lead to actual violence, then they can be guilty of inciting violence.

Did you not read my comment about the restaurant? People on the left are threatening the restaurant and it’s owners with violence for not letting a server wear a BLM mask at work. I think they should be charged for making those threats, or for encouraging others to commit acts of violence against the restaurant. Threats of physical harm and calls to harm others are never acceptable, from either side man. I am nothing if not consistent on that point.
 
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Freedom of speech calling for violence isn’t ok though, on EITHER SIDE, especially when it leads to actual violence. Why don’t you think I can say that people calling for violence on both sides are wrong, and if their calls to violence lead to actual violence, then they can be guilty of inciting violence.

Did you not read my comment about the restaurant? People on the left are threatening the restaurant and it’s owners with violence for not letting a server wear a BLM mask at work. I think they should be charged for making those threats, or for encouraging others to commit acts of violence against the restaurant. Threats of physical harm and calls to harm others are never acceptable, from either side man. I am nothing if not consistent on that point.
i was not taking sides...what i was doing is pointing out that if one side thinks inappropriate behavior is ok when they agree with it, then they should be willing to accept the same kind of behavior from the other side.

the moral of the story is that BOTH sides need to condemn inappropriate behavior rather or not you agree with the point being made.
 
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i was not taking sides...what i was doing is pointing out that if one side thinks inappropriate behavior is ok when they agree with it, then they should be willing to accept the same kind of behavior from the other side.

the moral of the story is that BOTH sides need to condemn inappropriate behavior rather or not you agree with the point being made.
Ok. So I agree with the point then. But I’m sure either side will stop being hypocritical going forwards.
 
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Ok. So I agree with the point then. But I’m sure either side will stop being hypocritical going forwards.
exactly...and that is why we find ourselves in the mess we are in....both sides are saying inappropriate behavior is ok and defend it when the inappropriate behavior is aimed at the other side.

i have heard biden say that bad behavior is bad---but if he truly intends to heal and unite then he needs to start calling out bad behavior from both sides and not just from the right.....forget about what trump has done in the past, it is biden's turn at bat.
 
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exactly...and that is why we find ourselves in the mess we are in....both sides are saying inappropriate behavior is ok and defend it when the inappropriate behavior is aimed at the other side.

i have heard biden say that bad behavior is bad---but if he truly intends to heal and unite then he needs to start calling out bad behavior from both sides and not just from the right.....forget about what trump has done in the past, it is biden's turn at bat.
I was right there with you until you said “forget about what Trump has done in the past.” They started investigating it right after it happened, which was right at the end of his term. If we ignore anything a President does as President the second they’re out of office, it sets precedent for presidents doing any number of especially bad things at the very end of their term, knowing that it will just be “forgotten” when the next President is sworn in. It’s not like they started looking into it months/years after he was out of office.
 
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I was right there with you until you said “forget about what Trump has done in the past.” They started investigating it right after it happened, which was right at the end of his term. If we ignore anything a President does as President the second they’re out of office, it sets precedent for presidents doing any number of especially bad things at the very end of their term, knowing that it will just be “forgotten” when the next President is sworn in. It’s not like they started looking into it months/years after he was out of office.
throw trump in jail for all i care, you are detracting from my point....trump is done, whatever happens going forward is up to biden--if biden truly intends to heal and unite he needs to call out BOTH sides when they act inappropriately, and not give the left a pass.

we need to stop living in the past and just saying trump is bad should not be the answer to everything.
 
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throw trump in jail for all i care, you are detracting from my point....trump is done, whatever happens going forward is up to biden--if biden truly intends to heal and unite he needs to call out BOTH sides when they act inappropriately, and not give the left a pass.

we need to stop living in the past and just saying trump is bad should not be the answer to everything.
You keep saying things you said aren’t your point. The left always gives the left a pass, and the right always gives the right a pass. I honestly don’t expect that to change any time soon, unfortunately.
 
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You keep saying things you said aren’t your point. The left always gives the left a pass, and the right always gives the right a pass. I honestly don’t expect that to change any time soon, unfortunately.
what is unfortunate is that the media AND social media has taken a side, imo.
 

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Bottom line is that people are chanting that they want dead cops at nearly every BLM protest that has taken place in the past few years. Why haven’t people been arrested for inciting violence? Why haven’t the heads of BLM been arrested? Why hasn’t Kamala Harris and other democrats who pushed to raise bail funds to help people arrested at protests - been brought up on charges or investigated. At least 2 of those released through those bail programs went on to commit violent crimes while on bail. If you want to hold Trump accountable then you need to hold democrats accountable. Why is it that when you type on Antifa.com it redirects you to the White House home page? This is unacceptable. Before the election Antifa.com redirected you to the fundraising page for Biden. Why isn’t Biden being condemned for this?
 
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Bottom line is that people are chanting that they want dead cops at nearly every BLM protest that has taken place in the past few years. Why haven’t people been arrested for inciting violence? Why haven’t the heads of BLM been arrested? Why hasn’t Kamala Harris and other democrats who pushed to raise bail funds to help people arrested at protests - been brought up on charges or investigated. At least 2 of those released through those bail programs went on to commit violent crimes while on bail. If you want to hold Trump accountable then you need to hold democrats accountable. Why is it that when you type on Antifa.com it redirects you to the White House home page? This is unacceptable. Before the election Antifa.com redirected you to the fundraising page for Biden. Why isn’t Biden being condemned for this?
It sounds like whoever bought up the domain name for Antifa set it to redirect to those sites. It’s entirely possible Biden had nothing to do with this. As you all have said white supremacists supporting Trump doesn’t necessarily mean that he supports them, so perhaps them supporting Biden is the same?
 

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It sounds like whoever bought up the domain name for Antifa set it to redirect to those sites. It’s entirely possible Biden had nothing to do with this. As you all have said white supremacists supporting Trump doesn’t necessarily mean that he supports them, so perhaps them supporting Biden is the same?
The Antifa link has been redirecting for 8 months plus. It’s not that difficult to block the redirection. If there were a white supremacist site redirecting to the White House or to the Trump campaign he wouldn’t hear the end of it. How much money did the Biden campaign raise off of that redirection. It should be investigated. bottom line is that it could be fixed in 15 minutes yet it’s been left alone for 8 months,
 

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You keep saying things you said aren’t your point. The left always gives the left a pass, and the right always gives the right a pass. I honestly don’t expect that to change any time soon, unfortunately.
The right hasn’t gotten a pass. They have opened up more investigations into the Proud Boys than Antifa, Antifa has been terrorizing Portland for over 5 years with impunity:
 

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People are leaving the democrat run big cities because of the decisions they made in regards to COVID and police budget cuts as a result of the riots. A city like NYC won’t recover economically, Even the NYSE is talking about leaving. Half the tax revenue is gone. Half the billionaires have filed for residency in a new state, About half of the small businesses/restaurants are gone. How can that city recover from that. Idk
 
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It sounds like whoever bought up the domain name for Antifa set it to redirect to those sites. It’s entirely possible Biden had nothing to do with this. As you all have said white supremacists supporting Trump doesn’t necessarily mean that he supports them, so perhaps them supporting Biden is the same?
the difference being the media and left are forever demanding that trump denounce white supremacists, yet i never hear the media demanding biden to denounce antifa?
 
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People are leaving the democrat run big cities because of the decisions they made in regards to COVID and police budget cuts as a result of the riots. A city like NYC won’t recover economically, Even the NYSE is talking about leaving. Half the tax revenue is gone. Half the billionaires have filed for residency in a new state, About half of the small businesses/restaurants are gone. How can that city recover from that. Idk
i see there was another violent blm riot in NYC..i guess they didn't get the unity and healing memo?
 

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