Donald Trump running for president

[thebigt]

i see they are now recommending 7 instead of 14 days quarantine....this is a double edged sword, imo...on the one hand those who don't suffer bad effects can get back to work sooner, on the other hand employer's could demand those who are truly sick go back to work or cut off unemployment benefits....i feel this is to protect businesses at the expense of employees, safeguards need to be put in place.

 

[kisaj]

Couldn't agree more. The symptoms are far too ranging and there needs to be some parameters and clarity here. Not to mention the continual stance changes are making a confusing situation even more so. I also saw something about a minimum of 3.2 feet if outdoors- which is an utterly ridiculous number.

 

[thebigt]

Couldn't agree more. The symptoms are far too ranging and there needs to be some parameters and clarity here. Not to mention the continual stance changes are making a confusing situation even more so. I also saw something about a minimum of 3.2 feet if outdoors- which is an utterly ridiculous number.

also i am hearing they are moving to protect businesses from liability, some clarity is needed here also. i am all for protecting businesses but at what cost to consumers/employees?

 

[thebigt]

'12 million Americans face loss of unemployment benefits day after Christmas'

why the hell isn't pelosi working on a relief bill to help people who are going to be out of work when the virus peaks during winter months?

millions of poor working people live paycheck to paycheck, regular unemployment is only half of normal paycheck-even one week could be devastating to these people...c'mon man, i thought democrats were for the poor.

get off your old wrinkled ass and get something done pelosi!!!

 

[ax1]

'12 million Americans face loss of unemployment benefits day after Christmas'

why the hell isn't pelosi working on a relief bill to help people who are going to be out of work when the virus peaks during winter months?

millions of poor working people live paycheck to paycheck, regular unemployment is only half of normal paycheck-even one week could be devastating to these people...c'mon man, i thought democrats were for the poor.

get off your old wrinkled ass and get something done pelosi!!!

Ill pass, Pelosi just needs to go to jail.

 

[ax1]

In all seriousness, this countries greatest enemy right now are these stimulus packages. Fuq socialism, its a cancer.

All they do is bail out their lobby banker corporate buddies and give enough people the chicken feed to stay away from the soup lines and become more and more obedient.

Federal Government is becoming more centralized, more authoritarian, corrupt and powerful right in front of our eyes as we speak, they will never let off the gas and they are certainly more Nazi'ish than they were just a few months ago.

And as we see local governments are all turning into little corrupt dictators too who will do anything to watch everybody in their bedrooms and micromanage everything they do.

The best thing for this country at this time is probably to just have everybody starve so they wake up and get all these big government Nazi's out of office permanently.

 

[thebigt]

In all seriousness, this countries greatest enemy right now are these stimulus packages. Fuq socialism, its a cancer.

All they do is bail out their lobby banker corporate buddies and give enough people the chicken feed to stay away from the soup lines and become more and more obedient.

Federal Government is becoming more centralized, more authoritarian, corrupt and powerful right in front of our eyes as we speak, they will never let off the gas and they are certainly more Nazi'ish than they were just a few months ago.

And as we see local governments are all turning into little corrupt dictators too who will do anything to watch everybody in their bedrooms and micromanage everything they do.

The best thing for this country at this time is probably to just have everybody starve so they wake up and get all these big government Nazi's out of office permanently.

i am a conservative but i have a heart and compassion for those truly in need...

 

[ax1]

i am a conservative but i have a heart and compassion for those truly in need...

If you have compassion for them you wouldnt allow the crooks to feed the sheep. This country needs its freedom back, it needs its strong group of vigorous individuals rather than a growing breed of dependent minions.

You are asking the very people oppressing everybody from working against their will at gunpoint and wanting them to hand over pizza crust at a much greater future expense and for what? The long term effects here are a disaster.

What people truly need is for government to go to hell so they can make adult decisions to go back to work.

 

[thebigt]

If you have compassion for them you wouldnt allow the crooks to feed the sheep. This country needs its freedom back, it needs its strong group of vigorous individuals rather than a growing breed of dependent minions.

You are asking the very people oppressing everybody from working against their will at gunpoint and wanting them to hand over pizza crust at a much greater future expense and for what? The long term effects here are a disaster.

when people have hungry kids and their families are out on the street they say f*ck long term.

 

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[ax1]

when people have hungry kids and their families are out on the street they say f*ck long term.

Great. And this is an important opportunity to redierect their energy from propping up their Nazi oppressors into overthrowing them.

 

[ax1]

Pelosi feeeeed us! Garble Garble, Stalin is great!

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[thebigt]

Pelosi feeeeed us! Garble Garble, Stalin is great!

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ever hear the saying...but for the grace of GOD there go I?

 

[Ricky10]

In all seriousness, this countries greatest enemy right now are these stimulus packages. Fuq socialism, its a cancer.

All they do is bail out their lobby banker corporate buddies and give enough people the chicken feed to stay away from the soup lines and become more and more obedient.

Federal Government is becoming more centralized, more authoritarian, corrupt and powerful right in front of our eyes as we speak, they will never let off the gas and they are certainly more Nazi'ish than they were just a few months ago.

And as we see local governments are all turning into little corrupt dictators too who will do anything to watch everybody in their bedrooms and micromanage everything they do.

The best thing for this country at this time is probably to just have everybody starve so they wake up and get all these big government Nazi's out of office permanently.

All the pieces are falling into place quite nicely for the Dems after teaming up with the CCP to release the ultimate weapon to achieve all of their goals. Meanwhile, MSM continues to brainwash the masses while suppressing voices of reason.

People say they can’t wait for 2020 to be over, but things are only going to get worse in 2021. Especially if we continue on this path of permitting deception by these criminals. I’m still holding out for the unveiling of massive corruption. Trump or no Trump, Americans need to be able to see how they have been manipulated on many levels.

 

[puccah8808]

i am a conservative but i have a heart and compassion for those truly in need...

Lmaooo, my sister said she voted for Biden for the good of the people and she doesn’t mind Biden raising taxes to help those in need.... fml, I raised a freaking liberal.

 

[Ricky10]

I am all for helping people with limited means, but there is a fine line between those who choose not to work and be lazy, and those who actually have disabilities or other circumstances that hinder them. Some people are just too proud to take a job that is “beneath them.”

We probably all have known a few people throughout our lives who figured out exactly how to work the system, and they actually live very well. Then there are those people who are supported by government funding only to also get a job that pays under the table.

I know someone else (an immigrant) who got approved for housing- then he turned around and rented it out to like 5 of his friends and charged them rent. Meanwhile, he lived with his girlfriend and drove a luxury car, and worked under the table. It’s a severely broken system..

 

[puccah8808]

I am all for helping people with limited means, but there is a fine line between those who choose not to work and be lazy, and those who actually have disabilities or other circumstances that hinder them. Some people are just too proud to take a job that is “beneath them.”

We probably all have known a few people throughout our lives who figured out exactly how to work the system, and they actually live very well. Then there are those people who are supported by government funding only to also get a job that pays under the table.

I know someone else (an immigrant) who got approved for housing- then he turned around and rented it out to like 5 of his friends and charged them rent. Meanwhile, he lived with his girlfriend and drove a luxury car, and worked under the table. It’s a severely broken system..

Ahhhh, yes... like my aunt who owns a business but is still getting assistance. Like my cousin during the recession, took 3 years to refinance his home and didn’t pay one penny for 3 DAMN years.

My mom always told us that we’re not rich like our cousins because we didn’t know how to work the system... well, I sure know how to work some damn integrity and honesty.

 

[puccah8808]

I am all for helping people with limited means, but there is a fine line between those who choose not to work and be lazy, and those who actually have disabilities or other circumstances that hinder them. Some people are just too proud to take a job that is “beneath them.”

We probably all have known a few people throughout our lives who figured out exactly how to work the system, and they actually live very well. Then there are those people who are supported by government funding only to also get a job that pays under the table.

I know someone else (an immigrant) who got approved for housing- then he turned around and rented it out to like 5 of his friends and charged them rent. Meanwhile, he lived with his girlfriend and drove a luxury car, and worked under the table. It’s a severely broken system..

Ahhhh, yes... like my aunt who owns a business but is still getting assistance. Like my cousin during the recession, took 3 years to refinance his home and didn’t pay one penny for 3 DAMN years.

My mom always told us that we’re not rich like our cousins because we didn’t know how to work the system... well, I sure know how to work some damn integrity and honesty.

 

[HIT4ME]

@JoePaul39

Thanks for letting me know your friend's butt hurt due to his intolerance of other people's world views and lack of American values of the 1st Amendment. Just put in over a $100 order in just because Jiiggz is the man and SNS should be proud he carries their logo!

PS: To all, the blackfriday code still works!

Honestly I pretty much only buy supplements from Evomuse and SNS on this board. Then some bulk powders from a few companies, some vitamins from reputable places.

SNS is legit, reasonably priced and has good formulas. And they don't hype their sh*t with no evidence.

So Twitshyt who is quick to pull the trigger on you if you question the CCP-Virus or if you think boys should have penises is refusing to take down as requested by the Australian government to take down a disgraceful doctored image of a soldier.

And yes, this is an official CCP twitter account...China is refusing to apologize and keeping it up, and guess Twitshyt will only take it down if you think the elections are rigged.

And dont look at the lamb, notice the knife and what he is trying to cut.

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Of course Twitter suddenly isn't about censorship.

In all seriousness, this countries greatest enemy right now are these stimulus packages. Fuq socialism, its a cancer.

All they do is bail out their lobby banker corporate buddies and give enough people the chicken feed to stay away from the soup lines and become more and more obedient.

Federal Government is becoming more centralized, more authoritarian, corrupt and powerful right in front of our eyes as we speak, they will never let off the gas and they are certainly more Nazi'ish than they were just a few months ago.

And as we see local governments are all turning into little corrupt dictators too who will do anything to watch everybody in their bedrooms and micromanage everything they do.

The best thing for this country at this time is probably to just have everybody starve so they wake up and get all these big government Nazi's out of office permanently.

I don't have a good solution, and I am not sure what I think. On one level I agree. On another, long term we are all dead.

 

[thebigt]

when i lived in the PI back in the 80s it was my introduction to what life is like without a safety net.

i guess i am a social conservative and fiscal liberal because i would rather see some game the system than not have any safety net in place for those really, truly in need....

 

[ax1]

when i lived in the PI back in the 80s it was my introduction to what life is like without a safety net.

i guess i am a social conservative and fiscal liberal because i would rather see some game the system than not have any safety net in place for those really, truly in need....

Im my day to day experiences typical conservatives and mainstream Repulicrats are more giving than liberals and mainstream Demicans.

Attacking your core value wasnt my point, I just smell a massive con job and I think we all need to massively worry about it if we dont want more poverty down the road.

Fun fact....the war on poverty was launched by racist and JFK assassin LBJ. Up to that point poverty was actually on a steep decline. After the war on poverty was launched, trillions of dollars were spent and after 55 years it was proven to be a complete disaster.

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[Jiigzz]

Yes, the most compelling evidence that you are at best on the spectrum but most likely retarded.

10/10 insult. Just to be clear, you know I didnt put the site up, right?

I just thought these guys would appreciate a bit of a chuckle

 

[HIT4ME]

Im my day to day experiences typical conservatives and mainstream Repulicrats are more giving than liberals and mainstream Demicans.

Attacking your core value wasnt my point, I just smell a massive con job and I think we all need to massively worry about it if we dont want more poverty down the road.

Fun fact....the war on poverty was launched by racist and JFK assassin LBJ. Up to that point poverty was actually on a steep decline. After the war on poverty was launched, trillions of dollars were spent and after 55 years it was proven to be a complete disaster.

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This is one of the core issues I think you are suggesting...the government is not very good at running its programs. In fact, it does such a poor job as to be ineffective. When the early signs of failure show, their usual response is to spend more money - a waste.

This is why the private sector is so important. The incentive systems and consequences are set up much differently. If I have a government budget of $100,000 and get the job done with $90,000 - I get $90,000 next year. If I do it with $125,000 then my budget gets increased.

This, to me, is one of the core issues in all government programs. That and the fact that not a single dollar has ever been created by the government operations- they love to say how the private businesses benefit from the roads the government built but they totally forget that they built those roads on tax dollars taken from the private, capitalistic sector. We tend to demonize the private sector instead.

But every government system I have had the pleasure of interacting with has been a train wreck - USPS, DMV, Healthcare, all of them. Sure the private sector has some train wrecks too, and I stop going there. I am forced to go to the DMV and they now control my health so how do I walk from that?

10/10 insult. Just to be clear, you know I didnt put the site up, right?

I just thought these guys would appreciate a bit of a chuckle

Lol, it was a good chuckle and...I mean, let's be real here. I often wonder how many of us are on the spectrum, including myself. No shame in that. Haha

 

[kisaj]

This is one of the core issues I think you are suggesting...the government is not very good at running its programs. In fact, it does such a poor job as to be ineffective. When the early signs of failure show, their usual response is to spend more money - a waste.

This is why the private sector is so important. The incentive systems and consequences are set up much differently. If I have a government budget of $100,000 and get the job done with $90,000 - I get $90,000 next year. If I do it with $125,000 then my budget gets increased.

Over the summer we were having so many flyovers and training patterns over our houses that it just became normal to hear low flying fighters (which I honestly love the sound of) and others multiple times a day. I asked my Air Force buddy down in Springs if we were planning something and he said, oh no, we just need to use up the fuel or our budget will drop.

 

[THOR 70]

That has been my observation regarding proficiency as well. A lot of departments give monthly training ammo and it is shocking how many officers don’t do anything with it. I think I have told the story here before, when my son was 13 years old I had him out at the PD range and they were doing their qualifications. My son shot in the 90 percentile of the officers out there and 7 of them failed that day. I was both proud and shocked at the same time. Sometimes I wish I don’t get to peek behind the curtain

This is interesting to hear. I train high speed drills with a state trooper and he said he would trust training with me(non trooper) vs 90% of the other troopers. He said safety, competence, and confidence in handling weapons is def lacking in his agency. He said it blows him away that they don’t train at a higher level/frequency with their weapon systems. That is why he trains on his own.

I’m by no means even close to elite, but I’ve done some 3 gun competitions that have taught me how to manipulate my weapons under slight pressure with attention to safety. Highly recommend anyone that wants to get more proficient with the their tools to join a gun club and get involved in 3 gun. Only downsides is it’s expensive and time consuming.

 

[thebigt]

This is interesting to hear. I train high speed drills with a state trooper and he said he would trust training with me(non trooper) vs 90% of the other troopers. He said safety, competence, and confidence in handling weapons is def lacking in his agency. He said it blows him away that they don’t train at a higher level/frequency with their weapon systems. That is why he trains on his own.

I’m by no means even close to elite, but I’ve done some 3 gun competitions that have taught me how to manipulate my weapons under slight pressure with attention to safety. Highly recommend anyone that wants to get more proficient with the their tools to join a gun club and get involved in 3 gun. Only downsides is it’s expensive and time consuming.

i don't know about other areas but the legion here has a top notch gun club/range ran by a former gunny sgt. i highly recommend every vet join the legion!!!

 

[Iwilleattuna]

isn't it funny @ax1

Those same people who say the tin foil hat is a conspiracy and people who believe it are crazy

Are the same people on their cancer causing phone who read an article about how you should wear a mask while hiking mt. Everest to be "safe" which they believe ? lmao

 

[Iwilleattuna]

isn't it funny @ax1

Those same people who say the tin foil hat is a conspiracy and people who believe it are crazy

Are the same people on their cancer causing phone who read an article about how you should wear a mask while hiking mt. Everest to be "safe" which they believe ? lmao

 

[Jiigzz]

isn't it funny @ax1

Those same people who say the tin foil hat is a conspiracy and people who believe it are crazy

Are the same people on their cancer causing phone who read an article about how you should wear a mask while hiking mt. Everest to be "safe" which they believe ? lmao

Wtf?

You do know how altitude affects oxygen though, right? Ever been in a depressurized plane at 30,000 feet and notice the oxygen masks that drop? You don't even need to be that high to start to feel the effects on low atmospheric O2.

Yeah, that happens because you'll lose consciousness otherwise and die.

That's not some tin foil conspiracy, that's basic common knowledge about how altitude affects O2.

You can't apply that logic to conspiracy theories in general, because it's not a conspiracy in the slightest.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Wtf?

You do know how altitude affects oxygen though, right? Ever been in a depressurized plane at 30,000 feet and notice the oxygen masks that drop? You don't even need to be that high to start to feel the effects on low atmospheric O2.

Yeah, that happens because you'll lose consciousness otherwise and die.

That's not some tin foil conspiracy, that's basic common knowledge about how altitude affects O2.

You can't apply that logic to conspiracy theories in general, because it's not a conspiracy in the slightest.

bruh, I meant the cloth masks for corona

 

[dixonk]

Wtf?

You do know how altitude affects oxygen though, right? Ever been in a depressurized plane at 30,000 feet and notice the oxygen masks that drop? You don't even need to be that high to start to feel the effects on low atmospheric O2.

Yeah, that happens because you'll lose consciousness otherwise and die.

That's not some tin foil conspiracy, that's basic common knowledge about how altitude affects O2.

You can't apply that logic to conspiracy theories in general, because it's not a conspiracy in the slightest.

Man the point he was trying make sailed right over your head.

 

[JoePaul39]

If your a Dump supporter you do realize he propped up the war on drugs and made you a criminal under US law his entire 4 years, amiright?

Actually you are incorrect. I run a lot of designers so Obama is the one who caused what I use be classified as illegal by signing the Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2014. Get your facts straight liberal!

 

[dixonk]

Actually you are incorrect. I run a lot of designers so Obama is the one who caused what I use be classified as illegal by signing the Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2014. Get your facts straight liberal!

Though his statement may have not been on point 2 things come to mind. First and foremost, ax1 is most definitely not a liberal. Lastly, Trump did absolutely nothing to put freedom back into Americans hands in regards to drugs of any sort. Obama may have been the worst but Trump was no part in making anything better.

 

[Burnfire]

They're trying to create a race/ dem vs republican war when really we know who the war is against...... and his minions

Politics, news, etc, all a big illusion

God above all

Here is one of the best post I've seen in this thread in awhile!

Glad your seeing brother I know others do as well but we're wrapped up in this election.

Now let's see some sets done and babies crying because we don't fold to their ways.

 

[JoePaul39]

Here is one of the best post I've seen in this thread in awhile!

Glad your seeing brother I know others do as well but we're wrapped up in this election.

Now let's see some sets done and babies crying because we don't fold to their ways.

Agreed, very true statement by tuna indeed.

 

[ax1]

Actually you are incorrect. I run a lot of designers so Obama is the one who caused what I use be classified as illegal by signing the Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2014. Get your facts straight liberal!

Yes, and who controlled Senate in 2014 that put together the bill than went on Bareback Obobo's desk to sign off on?

And your claiming you mice are taking substances only put in the 2014 bill?

Who enforces your little 2014 bill? Who do you think created the DEA (hint: a Republican names Nixon) and the FBI (hint: Republican McKinley with the BOI) and the DHS (hint: Republican Bush) who work together enforcing all these laws and where do you think Dump stands on the existence of these departments along with the War on Drugs and where has Dump been the last 4 years?

Yes, I am a liberal just trying to get my facts straight, LMFAO!!!!!

But your the one who supports its ACTUAL enforcement and policing!

All hypocrisy on you. You are in fact the problem of the 2014 DASCA of 2014 because it is you who supports big government tyranny. Thats getting the facts straight. At least I can claim I did not vote a single person who voted or belongs to these Republican and Demicratic cults that signed that bill in 2014.

 

[ax1]

isn't it funny @ax1

Those same people who say the tin foil hat is a conspiracy and people who believe it are crazy

Are the same people on their cancer causing phone who read an article about how you should wear a mask while hiking mt. Everest to be "safe" which they believe ? lmao

The straws, the straws, how dare you kill the whales you mass murderer! I beseech the gods of the heavens to crush the serial whale killers sucking on those straws!

 

[ax1]

Here is one of the best post I've seen in this thread in awhile!

Glad your seeing brother I know others do as well but we're wrapped up in this election.

Now let's see some sets done and babies crying because we don't fold to their ways.

Im waiting for all the reactions from young people who voted for Groper because everybody should get "free" healthcare and then the IRS come knocking on their doors with guns because they refused to buy government mandated health insurance.

 

[ax1]

Actually you are incorrect. I run a lot of designers so Obama is the one who caused what I use be classified as illegal by signing the Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2014. Get your facts straight liberal!

The God-daddy executive to sign off on Steroid enforcement was George H.W. Bush....even if you pin 2014 all on Obobo, Obobo was just signing off on oppressing all the loopholes.

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[puccah8808]

Im waiting for all the reactions from young people who voted for Groper because everybody should get "free" healthcare and then the IRS come knocking on their doors with guns because they refused to buy government mandated health insurance.

I had Obamacare years ago. When I was laid off, it was great. $39 for a platinum plan. Better than my old plan. Then I got a job with no benefits and it jumped up to $299. I called a few weeks ago because I hate my current “free” benefits and wanted to get back on to my old provider. $600 a month for myself.... People, free is never freeeeee!!!!!!

 

[ax1]

I had Obamacare years ago. When I was laid off, it was great. $39 for a platinum plan. Better than my old plan. Then I got a job with no benefits and it jumped up to $299. I called a few weeks ago because I hate my current “free” benefits and wanted to get back on to my old provider. $600 a month for myself.... People, free is never freeeeee!!!!!!

The whole thing is dumb and Republicrats dont offer much different.

Insurance is supposed to be "insurance." Not "healthcare."

Health care should be patient goes to doctor of their own very choice (no networking) and pays them directly. No middle people, no additional processing, no nothing...just patient and doctor office.

Insurance should simply be a service by a private company, no government agency in between where the company offers a service that measures risk and puts a market price on it that a consumer decides if its right for them or not to put their money on it just in case something really bad happens. Insurance is clearly that...not "health care."

If this is the set up, prices would drop dramatically all across the board for everybody. If there is a role for government it would simply be consumer protections and informative services. They can offer a "government approved" stamp on stuff if people like that, or some other private/public organization can offer their own stamp. Other than that government needs to almost completely butt out of health care unless they want to organize their own competitive free market optional system that doesnt steal a single penny of tax dollars allowing people the power to choose how their money is best spent and deemed fit.

 

[Jiigzz]

The whole thing is dumb and Republicrats dont offer much different.

Insurance is supposed to be "insurance." Not "healthcare."

Health care should be patient goes to doctor of their own very choice (no networking) and pays them directly. No middle people, no additional processing, no nothing...just patient and doctor office.

Insurance should simply be a service by a private company, no government agency in between where the company offers a service that measures risk and puts a market price on it that a consumer decides if its right for them or not to put their money on it just in case something really bad happens. Insurance is clearly that...not "health care."

If this is the set up, prices would drop dramatically all across the board for everybody. If there is a role for government it would simply be consumer protections and informative services. They can offer a "government approved" stamp on stuff if people like that, or some other private/public organization can offer their own stamp. Other than that government needs to almost completely butt out of health care unless they want to organize their own competitive free market optional system that doesnt steal a single penny of tax dollars allowing people the power to choose how their money is best spent and deemed fit.

It costs roughly $3500 per day for a premature baby to stay in the ICU. Assuming no complications, a typical stay can be anywhere from 1-10 weeks, depending on how premature.

So for a week, that costs roughly $24,500. It would be exponentially more if there are complications.

How many people could afford that?

 

[ax1]

It costs roughly $3500 per day for a premature baby to stay in the ICU. Assuming no complications, a typical stay can be anywhere from 1-10 weeks, depending on how premature.

So for a week, that costs roughly $24,500. It would be exponentially more if there are complications.

How many people could afford that?

Your going by the current system which I am clearly heavily opposing so Im not sure why you are telling me that.

I know your not from here, but we havent had a free market healthcare system since the 50s. Government interventionism and direct insurance industry lobby along with other reasons have skyrocketed costs, so unlike most people who want more of the problem Im going the complete opposite direction and for true free markets and an actual "insurance" market.

 

[Jiigzz]

Your going by the current system which I am clearly heavily opposing so Im not sure why you are telling me that.

I know your not from here, but we havent had a free market healthcare system since the 50s. Government interventionism and direct insurance industry lobby along with other reasons have skyrocketed costs, so unlike most people who want more of the problem Im going the complete opposite direction and for true free markets and an actual "insurance" market.

How much of a price would you expect to pay under your system for the same care?


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[ax1]

How much of a price would you expect to pay under your system for the same care?


Here's a narrative you can use to build your costs: Invalid Link Removed

If you plan on having a child you would get a insurance plan under a free market system in case something severe happens.

That "journal of ethics" article is very narrow minded and politically biased in that it is criticizing the same system I am strongly in opposition of but has a different world view in that of big government more failure.

 

[ax1]

How much of a price would you expect to pay under your system for the same care?


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And I want to add, I dont want kids, I dont want the risks, the costs etc....if anybody wants to steal charity away from me and force me to spend it on a charity selected for me via a gun to my head they can go to hell. I have my own social issues Id like to invest more in...of my choice. But there certainly are solutions to making health care affordable for more affordable for everybody without infringing on the liberties of others.

 

[dixonk]

It costs roughly $3500 per day for a premature baby to stay in the ICU. Assuming no complications, a typical stay can be anywhere from 1-10 weeks, depending on how premature.

So for a week, that costs roughly $24,500. It would be exponentially more if there are complications.

How many people could afford that?

Kids are expensive. Why are they bringing a child into this world if they can’t afford it? If they can’t afford to bring a child into this world why should I be expected to shoulder the burden of said costs of having the child? I have my own fucking problems to deal with. Not sure why people can’t get this.

Why can I do see a doc in the Philippines for 10 bucks without insurance and walk away with a prescription for a couple bucks but with my dumbass govt commanded policy it’s more money? Why? Because the govt can only **** things up. They never fix things and they can’t fix things. Anyone that thinks a govt can fix a problem is an imbecile. Free markets and competition drive down cost. That’s a fact.

 

[ax1]

Kids are expensive. Why are they bringing a child into this world if they can’t afford it? If they can’t afford to bring a child into this world why should I be expected to shoulder the burden of said costs of having the child? I have my own fucking problems to deal with. Not sure why people can’t get this.

Why can I do see a doc in the Philippines for 10 bucks without insurance and walk away with a prescription for a couple bucks but with my dumbass govt commanded policy it’s more money? Why? Because the govt can only **** things up. They never fix things and they can’t fix things. Anyone that thinks a govt can fix a problem is an imbecile. Free markets and competition drive down cost. That’s a fact.

ICU should be run like plastic surgery clinics, little to no government bureaucracy, highly competitive, incentives to offer the best customer service and far more affordable than traditional medical surgeries.

 

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How much of a price would you expect to pay under your system for the same care?


Here's a narrative you can use to build your costs: Invalid Link Removed

Im willing to bet a boatload of money the Journal of Ethics board is a load of hypocritical shyt-tards who vote in big government goblins promising America's babies everything but then turn their heads when the very people they voted in drop bombs of compassion on thousands middle eastern babies and just call it collateral damage, even if those bombs were dropped directly on natal hospitals filled with ICU babies who were already deprived of oxygen tanks and basic medicine because of sanctions and policies that have completely destabilized the joints for decades.

 

[Jiigzz]

Kids are expensive. Why are they bringing a child into this world if they can’t afford it? If they can’t afford to bring a child into this world why should I be expected to shoulder the burden of said costs of having the child? I have my own fucking problems to deal with. Not sure why people can’t get this.

Why can I do see a doc in the Philippines for 10 bucks without insurance and walk away with a prescription for a couple bucks but with my dumbass govt commanded policy it’s more money? Why? Because the govt can only **** things up. They never fix things and they can’t fix things. Anyone that thinks a govt can fix a problem is an imbecile. Free markets and competition drive down cost. That’s a fact.

In some cases, the ICU bill is near a million. Could you afford that cost if that were to happen to you?

The Phillipines healthcare is govt. funded, so I'm not sure what your point is there.