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I've used super Mandro twice now both times at 330mg a day orally. Both times I used epiandro at 600mg pre-workout (via stanoplex) and androsterone at 300mg a day (via R-andro shred). For me personally this is a great feel good cycle, lots of strength and lean gains that are mostly keepable.
 
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I've used super Mandro twice now both times at 330mg a day orally. Both times I used epiandro at 600mg pre-workout (via stanoplex) and androsterone at 300mg a day (via R-andro shred). For me personally this is a great feel good cycle, lots of strength and lean gains that are mostly keepable.
just wait until you run that style cycle in a TD. very nice
 

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just wait until you run that style cycle in a TD. very nice
Honestly man my most recent run over the summer was Icons Alpha 7, which is basically identical to R-Androshred with androsterone and 7-kt and I feel like I had better results with the oral. Now what I did notice with Alpha 7 is that is made my wife out of control horny.. androsterone is a pheromone and I'm thinking that applying it topically made her more sensitive to it.. and I've even experimented since I still have a bottle of it, I'm not running anything right now at all but the last few weeks I've randomly applied a pump or 2 a few nights after showering and guaranteed those nights when we get to bed she is ready to go. Far from a double blind/controlled study but there's enough evidence there for me to say it works lol.
 
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Honestly man my most recent run over the summer was Icons Alpha 7, which is basically identical to R-Androshred with androsterone and 7-kt and I feel like I had better results with the oral. Now what I did notice with Alpha 7 is that is made my wife out of control horny.. androsterone is a pheromone and I'm thinking that applying it topically made her more sensitive to it.. and I've even experimented since I still have a bottle of it, I'm not running anything right now at all but the last few weeks I've randomly applied a pump or 2 a few nights after showering and guaranteed those nights when we get to bed she is ready to go. Far from a double blind/controlled study but there's enough evidence there for me to say it works lol.
i am trying to make sense of this post but it's giving me a headache...please explain the 1st sentence, in english please.
 

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i am trying to make sense of this post but it's giving me a headache...please explain the 1st sentence, in english please.
I'm not sure what the problem is but I'll clarify.

1. Most recent run was Alpha 7 this past summer.

2. Alpha 7 and R-androshred are pretty much the same, both containing androsterone and 7-kt, however one is a TD and one is oral.

3. I feel I had better results with the oral version.

4. This was in response to ripper saying if I loved oral 1 andro, I would really love TD.

5. Was using my experience with an oral DHEA compound vs the same compound in TD form to say that I seemed to do better on the oral.
 
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just wait until you run that style cycle in a TD. very nice
What kind of dosing would you suggest for the 1-andro td? I'm going to run Alpha gainz 1-andro + 4-andro td's next spring. I was thinking 1 ml/125 mg, but would like to hear opinions. Will be my first experience with 1-andro. 4-andro td I'm familiar with.
 
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Back in the day when you used 1-andro-diol, if your pee burned after taking it, it meant you had good stuff and we’re getting great conversion.......or had chlamydia 🤷‍♂️
 
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Also, one thing to keep in mind with TDs, just because they absorb through the skin instead of the GI tract doesn't mean they don't pass through the liver and can cause all the same sides as their oral counterparts. Using a substance transdermally just allows it to skip first pass metabolism - meaning it will bypass the liver on the first go around in the blood stream, but then it will eventually reach the liver where it will be metabolized.
 
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Im glad the study I posted at the beginning of the thread has given people more information to help their decision making when it comes to 1-Andro.

Just to be warned anyone thinking of using Fusion Nano 1-T Predator Nutruiton have in the last 48 hrs changed the price from £74.99 to.....£149.00.....to £199.00....WTF???

So I dont think many will bother purchasing that at that price. 👎
 
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I'm not sure what the problem is but I'll clarify.

1. Most recent run was Alpha 7 this past summer.

2. Alpha 7 and R-androshred are pretty much the same, both containing androsterone and 7-kt, however one is a TD and one is oral.

3. I feel I had better results with the oral version.

4. This was in response to ripper saying if I loved oral 1 andro, I would really love TD.

5. Was using my experience with an oral DHEA compound vs the same compound in TD form to say that I seemed to do better on the oral.
ok, gotcha...as someone who can't use ambien because it keeps me awake i am well aware of how people react differently. but like i am with ambien, you are probably in the 5% of population who react this way. the vast majority are going to get much better results with a transdermal than oral at basically the same dosages.
 

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Yeah I honestly expected to get way more out of the TD. I made sure I applied directly after showering, was consistent with dosing it, I'm a hairier guy and I even made sure I got rid of all the hair in the application areas. Its not that I noticed nothing, I definitely got results, just not as pronounced as the oral version.
 
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Yeah I honestly expected to get way more out of the TD. I made sure I applied directly after showering, was consistent with dosing it, I'm a hairier guy and I even made sure I got rid of all the hair in the application areas. Its not that I noticed nothing, I definitely got results, just not as pronounced as the oral version.
what can i say, i had high expectations for ambien since everyone i talked to raved about how well they slept on it. i know how it is to not respond the way 'almost' everyone else responds. fortunately i respond[ed] very well to alpha seven, much, much better than oral.
 
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Also, one thing to keep in mind with TDs, just because they absorb through the skin instead of the GI tract doesn't mean they don't pass through the liver and can cause all the same sides as their oral counterparts. Using a substance transdermally just allows it to skip first pass metabolism - meaning it will bypass the liver on the first go around in the blood stream, but then it will eventually reach the liver where it will be metabolized.
the 1st pass is the worst pass. the damage from 2nd and consecutive passes through the liver will be negligible for anyone with a healthy liver. similar to IM yes there is some action on the liver, but its very little compared to an orals 1st pass.
 
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What kind of dosing would you suggest for the 1-andro td? I'm going to run Alpha gainz 1-andro + 4-andro td's next spring. I was thinking 1 ml/125 mg, but would like to hear opinions. Will be my first experience with 1-andro. 4-andro td I'm familiar with.
1 ml would be a good place to start. perhaps .75 x 2 per day.. if you get sleepy you might back it down a tad.
 

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Im glad the study I posted at the beginning of the thread has given people more information to help their decision making when it comes to 1-Andro.

Just to be warned anyone thinking of using Fusion Nano 1-T Predator Nutruiton have in the last 48 hrs changed the price from £74.99 to.....£149.00.....to £199.00....WTF???

So I dont think many will bother purchasing that at that price. 👎
Just speculation, perhaps the product will be discontinued so predator is taking advantage? China won't be producing more 11KT, will they also stop making 1T?
 
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Just speculation, perhaps the product will be discontinued so predator is taking advantage? China won't be producing more 11KT, will they also stop making 1T?
Could be but ramping the price up that much is pretty shameless and its not like you hear its absolutely incredible either. Theres certain things about PN , I just dont like using them.
 
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ive seen this before on that site.. its more likely that they do this so there is no need to change the web page. they can go into the back end and jack up the price so no one will buy it while they restock. i heard a rumor thats how wayfair sells their kids... cough cough*** i mean cabinets.
 

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1 dhea is very underrated. You can see substantial gainz in 8 weeks while leaning out . 150mg-200mg transdermal will give nice gainz. Downside it causes bad lethargy for alot of people after 4 or 5 weeks. Take 4 dhea or dermacrine for lethargy
 
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1 dhea is very underrated. You can see substantial gainz in 8 weeks while leaning out . 150mg-200mg transdermal will give nice gainz. Downside it causes bad lethargy for alot of people after 4 or 5 weeks. Take 4 dhea or dermacrine for lethargy
next month will be running icon one and alpha four together.

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1-testosterone can cause some minor liver stress, it in itself has some decent oral bioavailability.

topically applied pro hormones seemed to be a better option than mega dosing the raw powder orally.
Yes, the skin in certain areas will contain more enzymes that can convert the hormone to the target hormone.
But it’s usually regarded as more ideal with pro hormones as it bypasses first pass as well so less is lost during that initial stage.
topicals/transdermals have been very good to me.
 
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I love 1 andro for dry, lean gains and strength but I had bloodwork after my last run and it definitely elevates liver enzymes slightly and is fairly rough on the lipids.
How much do you use of 1 Andro?
 
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How much do you use of 1 Andro?
He said it here:
I've used super Mandro twice now both times at 330mg a day orally. Both times I used epiandro at 600mg pre-workout (via stanoplex) and androsterone at 300mg a day (via R-andro shred). For me personally this is a great feel good cycle, lots of strength and lean gains that are mostly keepable.
 
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When are you planning to use your TD 1-Andro?
Before Christmas, if all goes well. I have ran it once before. Dosed at 150 mg TD. Left me hoping for more. Will use up all my stash I still got from black Friday order before Brexit. So will be 150 mg TD + 100 mg -> 200 mg oral.
 

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I actually looked into this a bit and the study I found which appears comprehensive showed that the 1-dhea was infact quite possibly worse than some of the original DS/PH's pre 2004 when it came to lipids etc. I'll dig it up and post the link if anyone is interested. Obviously i cant vouch as to whether it was biased or whatever but it seems odd the US would not ban it if it was seriously that bad.

Also look into using Cel Cycle Support.
Pretty sure that's the study that Bringham Young or sone Utah College did where they took 330 mgs for 4 weeks.
The study all the sellers reference.
 

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I couldn't read from those pics, but was the article maybe about 1ad not dhea?

Anyway, I'm always surprised by people who cycle, a bit now and then, being so concerned about lipids ... Lipids will go to chit with more or less anything you take - but will always bounce back quickly after cessation of aas. Some aas crash lipids more some less but they all have an impact. It's how androgens act, they directly upregulate and downregulate some processes regarding LDL and HDL; lowering one's production and upping the other.

So if Lipids are such a big concern - don't do aas. Period.

With two 6 to 8 week oral cycles a year, this is however a totally moot point - unless somebody would have some other underlying heart conditions or something.

What's a more important debate, one that actually matters; what bang for your "buck", so to speak, you are getting for the price of being suppressed and going through pct and everything. And another one; who you are actually buying from and do they send gear regularly for lab analasys and is their gear independently third party tested. Also, does the manufacturer provide info in what kind of lab's they are producing their gear, how's the sterility, etc. etc.

Lipids, really, who gives a fuack : )

Regarding andro's, they are not the best bang for buck. They are to dependent on the enzyme conversion process which really differs from person to person and it's not guaranteed you'll get enough of the active ingredient to actually make it worthwhile.

So, this is some straight talk about andro's. Expensive and hit or miss. My recommendation; get something that doesn't require conversion.

Good luck with your cycle!
4 andro is super pricey and not cost effective at all , same with the version of 1, 4 andro in HTP Equibolan, but not correct or accurate to lump 1 andro in with that.
1 andro works great.
Obviously for the price real gear works better, but so frigging what ?
Ok so the price of 1 ansro based on its effectiveness should be 10 to 15 less per bottle when comparing it to real gear.

Again............
So frigging what ???
It works , works well, great vascularity , some size and decent strength gains.
For those that don't want to get into the real gear , 1 andro is the best there is.
If I had to choose between halodrol, proviron or d-drol , I'd take 1 andro
 

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From the study I posted above, it seems 1-DHEA does surprisingly cause some liver stress, which is very unusual for an unmetyhlated oral steroid.



I don't know if 1-DHEA is the same way, but topical 1-test gives you some pretty serious rashes, so you constantly have to keep switching where you rub it into. I remember having to shave my calves because I ran out of places to rub my 1-test TD in that I was using from Avant Labs back in the day.



I think you made a flub there. Boldenone is EQ. 1-test is the same thing as DHB

There are injectable 1-tests on the market, and I have seen them esterified as well. But, like the swelling and rashes from the TD, the same thing can happen with the 1-test injections.
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Really???
I would love to try that.
message me please
 
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There are injectable 1-tests on the market, and I have seen them esterified as well. But, like the swelling and rashes from the TD, the same thing can happen with the 1-test injections.
Really???
I would love to try that.
message me please
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Inj 1-test is DHB. Inj 1-dhea is no longer available as far as I know.
 
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4 andro is super pricey and not cost effective at all , same with the version of 1, 4 andro in HTP Equibolan, but not correct or accurate to lump 1 andro in with that.
1 andro works great.
Obviously for the price real gear works better, but so frigging what ?
Ok so the price of 1 ansro based on its effectiveness should be 10 to 15 less per bottle when comparing it to real gear.

Again............
So frigging what ???
It works , works well, great vascularity , some size and decent strength gains.
For those that don't want to get into the real gear , 1 andro is the best there is.
If I had to choose between halodrol, proviron or d-drol , I'd take 1 andro
The heck are you on about? If you want to use it - use it, for fuacks sake. No need to write some half assed assay about it.

I provided some basic knowledge about 1 andro, that adds to the discourse about, particularly, the problems with enzymatic conversion and untested gear but also the returns you get in terms of lean tissue accrual. You can use what ever the fuack you want, this is just a discussion and your line of discourse is on a different lane altogether.
 

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Pretty sure that's the study that Bringham Young or sone Utah College did where they took 330 mgs for 4 weeks.
The study all the sellers reference.
How many frikkin troll accounts did you make starscream? smdh
 

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The heck are you on about? If you want to use it - use it, for fuacks sake. No need to write some half assed assay about it.

I provided some basic knowledge about 1 andro, that adds to the discourse about, particularly, the problems with enzymatic conversion and untested gear but also the returns you get in terms of lean tissue accrual. You can use what ever the fuack you want, this is just a discussion and your line of discourse is on a different lane altogether.
Simply making valid points.
Chill You must be allergic to facts and logic.
 
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Simply making valid points.
Chill You must be allergic to facts and logic.
Listen here Androboy; in regards to AAS and bodybuilding, it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, furthermore, your line of discourse is showing heavy cognitive dissonance. You are in no place to speak, or yet alone to say to other well knowledgeable members to "chill". Go take your little pills with pretty graphics on the label, take a few selfies for instagram while you're in the gym and piss off.
 

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Listen here Androboy; in regards to AAS and bodybuilding, it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, furthermore, your line of discourse is showing heavy cognitive dissonance. You are in no place to speak, or yet alone to say to other well knowledgeable members to "chill". Go take your little pills with pretty graphics on the label, take a few selfies for instagram while you're in the gym and piss off.

I never stated it works great solo ..
Stop imagining I stated or meant things I did not.
 

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Listen here Androboy; in regards to AAS and bodybuilding, it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, furthermore, your line of discourse is showing heavy cognitive dissonance. You are in no place to speak, or yet alone to say to other well knowledgeable members to "chill". Go take your little pills with pretty graphics on the label, take a few selfies for instagram while you're in the gym and piss off.
Why are you being such a rude piece of **** to me?
Great , you hate 1 andro

Now go back to beating your wife
 

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