Sarm + Serm cycle; I highly recommend; wondering if this would work on sme prohormones

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If anyone is running sarms right now; something suppressive like rad140, s23, yk11 or even lgd 4033 I recommend clomid or enclomiphene and 50mg of dhea daily while running your sarm. I did bloodwork on 10mg of lgd and on the 7th week, my test came out to 480 estradiol 39, fsh was 5; forgot what the LH was and my natty test levels are at 404, I was running clomid at 25mg 5x a week on this cycle. But I still got lgd lethargy, it must be the compound itself because I felt tired for the first 2-3 hrs taking it and then I would be good; thats why I would dose 1 after working out and do my second dose near the late afternoon/evening. I heard people running 12.5mg eod of enclompiphene with sarms and they hit almost 900ng/dl test levels while running suppressive sarms like the ones I mentioned above. Now I know someone who ran anavar on here with clomid and their test levels literally went to **** still, but their lh and fsh was all good. I'm thinking maybe try running enclomiphene 12.5mg eod with anavar or tbol or doing a light prohormone like pmag, or hexadrone with enclomiphene. All I know is this def works on sarms, prohormones and steroids I would like to see if someone can log using enclomiphene with them and see if they get minimum suppression like it does with sarms.
 
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whattt, all i'm saying is clomid and enclomiphene offsets suppression from sarms. just wondering if anyone tried doing this with a mild prohormone, obviously steroids aint gonna stop the suppression(possibly enclomiphene can).
 
it doesnt really work how you speculate. thousands upon thousands of athletes have ran SERMS while on AAS/PH/DSs.. the overriding idea is to take up some of the receptors to effectively control estrogen. not effectively keep from shutting down.
its seems to me perhaps HCG would be more along the lines of keeping the lights on in bawls during a cycle.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
it doesnt really work how you speculate. thousands upon thousands of athletes have ran SERMS while on AAS/PH/DSs.. the overriding idea is to take up some of the receptors to effectively control estrogen. not effectively keep from shutting down.
its seems to me perhaps HCG would be more along the lines of keeping the lights on in bawls during a cycle.
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hmmm, well all I know is it works for sarms, since sarms are selective androgen receptor modulators. I saw a thread where some1 was running 60-70mg of var a day and it didn't work. I know clomid and steroids people still got suppressed as ****. I've seen logs with HCG and it didn't do much for suppression when people got bloodwork done.
 
saying you know it works for SARMs is again, a misnomer. if it worked for you great, but don't try and hoist your theory up as gospel. there are literally no human studies to prove (or disprove) your stance on clomid and SARMs.

just so we are clear.. SARMs as u noted.... are selective to the androgen receptor.
SERMs are selective to estrogen receptors.

while the two terms share the selectivity aspect, they are not mutually exclusive unto each other.

wheres that perfect meme... @New guy
 
well here some logs if any1 want to check people who have ran enclomiphene with sarms. Also I ran Ostarine during pct before 10-15mg for 4 weeks with 50mg of clomid and some diesel test raw thrown in. My levels were around 800 ngl/dl when I got bloods done at the end of the 4th week.

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While this is a great idea in theory it never really works out well in practice. The most evidence we’ve ever seen is purely anecdotal. There’s a couple threads on here based off that idea which show *some* promise for the idea but no concrete evidence. If it was truly as good as people think then everyone would do it and pct would be unnecessary. I doubt it would hurt anything though and if you feel more comfortable using it while on cycle then go ahead and do it. I do highly recommend though against using a suppressive sarm during PCT like ostarine
 
Well man thanks I'm advance for when you become the guy on the forums who tells people to learn from his mistakes.
 
Tried it. Had bloods. Disproved it already. Toremifene at 30mg all cycle long, I wanna say 8-10 weeks of orals/transdermals. Drew bloods at end which are posted in the million page Clomid On Cycle thread that’s on AM. It shows very low test with slightly elevated levels of LH & FSH.

It did seem to make for a faster recovery when I stopped the cycle, but it only slows the test shutdown process slightly.

If you are using very light single-compound SARM cycles and not going very long, it will probably help. But these baby cycles aren’t going to do much eventually for you when you get near around your natural limits.
 
Hyde said:
Tried it. Had bloods. Disproved it already. Toremifene at 30mg all cycle long, I wanna say 8-10 weeks of orals/transdermals. Drew bloods at end which are posted in the million page Clomid On Cycle thread that’s on AM. It shows very low test with slightly elevated levels of LH & FSH.

It did seem to make for a faster recovery when I stopped the cycle, but it only slows the test shutdown process slightly.

If you are using very light single-compound SARM cycles and not going very long, it will probably help. But these baby cycles aren’t going to do much eventually for you when you get near around your natural limits.
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I remember going through that whole thread where you did the bloods; thats why I never tried running clomid with AAS felt like it would be a waste since test levels went to **** even though fsh and LH were fine. Might actually try enclomiphene with AAS though and post bloodwork again.

Well the thing is for people who haven't had many cycles under their belt; or have ran years of AAS cycles I dont recommend it if your trying to be a pro bodybuilder cause at the end of the day sarms imo can't compare to steroids/prohormones except for s23 and even that.... Like I said LGD 4033 was mild to me even at 10-15mg per day and I didnt really see much compared to just running anavar or turinabol. And running injectables blow sarms out the water. Sarms can only get you so far and running super high doses you might as well do juice. Like I said this will work for mild compounds like sarms most definitely since my bloodwork proved to me that I did not get suppressed on cycle.
 
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Yeah but it's not all about suppression

Both clomid and oral sarms are more toxic to the body than testosterone and hcg
 
CroLifter said:
Yeah but it's not all about suppression

Both clomid and oral sarms are more toxic to the body than testosterone and hcg
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yea I agree running clomid all the time and sarms probably isn't the best thing for your body in terms of overall health.
 
CroLifter said:
Yeah but it's not all about suppression

Both clomid and oral sarms are more toxic to the body than testosterone and hcg
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50Magnum said:
yea I agree running clomid all the time and sarms probably isn't the best thing for your body in terms of overall health.
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This is the crux of it. Track your lipid panel, with doing many short oral cycles frequently (SARMs seem to impact them like traditional oral AAS based on bloodwork we’ve seen in recent years) you’re likely going to be worried about longterm cardiovascular health.
 

Are 0% Suppression Cycles Possible? Enclomiphene + SARMs vs Steroids (Bloodwork & Results Below)​

So I read this whole discusion and thought I would chip in with my experience. I've attached bloodwork from several different compounds and combinations I've personally run, in the order I tested them:

  1. Enclomiphene only
  2. Ostarine + Enclomiphene
  3. Turinabol (Tbol) + Enclomiphene
  4. RAD140 + Enclomiphene
I started with Enclomiphene alone to establish a baseline and see how I responded. After that, I moved to Ostarine + Enclomiphene. My bloodwork looked great and showed no meaningful suppression, which gave me confidence to continue experimenting with this approach and eventually try something stronger.

Next, I tried Tbol + Enclomiphene. This was where things changed. LH and FSH didn't completely crash, but the signal clearly weakened. By week 4, my free testosterone had dropped somewhat significantly and very quickly, so I discontinued the cycle immediately.

After seeing the difference between Ostarine and Tbol, I decided to try RAD140 + Enclomiphene. RAD140 noticeably lowered my SHBG, which is a well-known effect. My free testosterone eventually dropped into the high 600s by week 8, which is still very high and well above my natural free testosterone levels. The suppression was nowhere near what I experienced with Tbol.

My personal theory is that Enclomiphene and SARMs create a tug-of-war. The SARM provides suppressive androgen receptor signalling, while Enclomiphene stimulates LH and FSH production. Instead of testosterone continuously falling toward zero, the system seems to stabilise somewhere in the middle. The strength of the androgen receptor signalling likely determines how much suppression occurs.

Tbol appears different because it isn't tissue-selective and can activate androgen receptors involved in the body's negative feedback system much more strongly. That may explain why my testosterone dropped so quickly despite using Enclomiphene.

Subjectively, I've experienced virtually no signs of suppression on SARM + Enclomiphene cycles. At one point I even questioned whether my SARMs were legitimate because I felt so normal compared to Tbol.

The results have been excellent, particularly for strength. My bench press increased from a 95 kg one-rep max before cycling to 130 kg currently. That's a huge increase in strength. Despite that increase, I still look fairly natural.

One reason I like SARMs is that they don't seem to give me "fake muscle" (glycogen and water retention). The gains appear much drier, and in my experience I've retained virtually all of my size and strength between cycles. I haven't noticed any meaningful muscle loss or strength loss once coming off.

So far, my experience has been:

  • Enclomiphene only: No issues.
  • Ostarine + Enclomiphene: No meaningful suppression.
  • Tbol + Enclomiphene: Significant drop in free testosterone within 4 weeks.
  • RAD140 + Enclomiphene: Some suppression, but far less than Tbol.
My next experiment will be YK11, followed by S23. I'll be getting bloodwork throughout both cycles to see how they compare and whether the same pattern continues.

Curious to hear what others think. Has anyone else run SARMs with Enclomiphene and tracked bloodwork throughout the cycle?

Bloodwork below :)


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FeelFurious said:

Are 0% Suppression Cycles Possible? Enclomiphene + SARMs vs Steroids (Bloodwork & Results Below)​

So I read this whole discusion and thought I would chip in with my experience. I've attached bloodwork from several different compounds and combinations I've personally run, in the order I tested them:

  1. Enclomiphene only
  2. Ostarine + Enclomiphene
  3. Turinabol (Tbol) + Enclomiphene
  4. RAD140 + Enclomiphene
I started with Enclomiphene alone to establish a baseline and see how I responded. After that, I moved to Ostarine + Enclomiphene. My bloodwork looked great and showed no meaningful suppression, which gave me confidence to continue experimenting with this approach and eventually try something stronger.

Next, I tried Tbol + Enclomiphene. This was where things changed. LH and FSH didn't completely crash, but the signal clearly weakened. By week 4, my free testosterone had dropped somewhat significantly and very quickly, so I discontinued the cycle immediately.

After seeing the difference between Ostarine and Tbol, I decided to try RAD140 + Enclomiphene. RAD140 noticeably lowered my SHBG, which is a well-known effect. My free testosterone eventually dropped into the high 600s by week 8, which is still very high and well above my natural free testosterone levels. The suppression was nowhere near what I experienced with Tbol.

My personal theory is that Enclomiphene and SARMs create a tug-of-war. The SARM provides suppressive androgen receptor signalling, while Enclomiphene stimulates LH and FSH production. Instead of testosterone continuously falling toward zero, the system seems to stabilise somewhere in the middle. The strength of the androgen receptor signalling likely determines how much suppression occurs.

Tbol appears different because it isn't tissue-selective and can activate androgen receptors involved in the body's negative feedback system much more strongly. That may explain why my testosterone dropped so quickly despite using Enclomiphene.

Subjectively, I've experienced virtually no signs of suppression on SARM + Enclomiphene cycles. At one point I even questioned whether my SARMs were legitimate because I felt so normal compared to Tbol.

The results have been excellent, particularly for strength. My bench press increased from a 95 kg one-rep max before cycling to 130 kg currently. That's a huge increase in strength. Despite that increase, I still look fairly natural.

One reason I like SARMs is that they don't seem to give me "fake muscle" (glycogen and water retention). The gains appear much drier, and in my experience I've retained virtually all of my size and strength between cycles. I haven't noticed any meaningful muscle loss or strength loss once coming off.

So far, my experience has been:

  • Enclomiphene only: No issues.
  • Ostarine + Enclomiphene: No meaningful suppression.
  • Tbol + Enclomiphene: Significant drop in free testosterone within 4 weeks.
  • RAD140 + Enclomiphene: Some suppression, but far less than Tbol.
My next experiment will be YK11, followed by S23. I'll be getting bloodwork throughout both cycles to see how they compare and whether the same pattern continues.

Curious to hear what others think. Has anyone else run SARMs with Enclomiphene and tracked bloodwork throughout the cycle?

Bloodwork below :)


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I’m not really sure what you’re trying to accomplish? We all knew that Clomid + steroids do not work and I’m not sure anyone would care if Clomid + SARMS work because the results is not really worth it. Going from a 95kg to 130kg bench is good but something any natty person can do, it’s not very heavy, especially for someone that go to the gym regularly.

If you want real results with minimal shut down run short cycle with fast acting steroids and use Clomid/Enclo as PCT. The other stuff is just a waste of time.
 
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I’m not really sure what you’re trying to accomplish? We all knew that Clomid + steroids do not work and I’m not sure anyone would care if Clomid + SARMS work because the results is not really worth it. Going from a 95kg to 130kg bench is good but something any natty person can do, it’s not very heavy, especially for someone that go to the gym regularly.

If you want real results with minimal shut down run short cycle with fast acting steroids and use Clomid/Enclo as PCT. The other stuff is just a waste of time.
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it does work dumbass, can you read? too much gear made you a bit stupid? And its enclomiphene buddy. Ive only been training 6 month, 130kg bench at 6 months isnt common unless of course we are all as awesome as you.
 
FeelFurious said:
it does work dumbass, can you read? too much gear made you a bit stupid? And it’s enclomiphene buddy. Ive only been training 6 month, 130kg bench at 6 months isnt common unless of course we are all as awesome as you.
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Did you start augmenting your hormonal profile as soon as you began training?
 
FeelFurious said:
it does work dumbass, can you read? too much gear made you a bit stupid? And it’s enclomiphene buddy. Ive only been training 6 month, 130kg bench at 6 months isnt common unless of course we are all as awesome as you.
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Did it? You said you got suppressed with all compounds added to “Enclo” (active isomer of clomid), right? Have you heard about “newbie gains”? That’s exactly what you got, any man that goes to the gym regularly should be able to bench 130kg, and going from 95kg to 130kg is not impressive and very doable as a natty. I get it, you’re a weak little nerd that dream of being a strong man but are scared of needles. Stop posting nonsense!
 
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