CEL Anabolic Effect vs Massmax XT
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Afi140
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I love both. Slide edge to AE imo. The x gel/ae stack is a killer natty stack.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/anabolic-effect-by-cel
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/anabolic-effect-by-cel
booneman77
Legend
Anabolic Effect would be my recommendation as well. Have personally used it with Xgels (once with and once without) and loved that combo. great strength and fullness along with nutrient partitioning to help prevent fat gain
DaveGabe24
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AE is one of the few supplements Ive ever genuinely felt makes a significant and NOTICEABLE difference in strength & physique.
Makes a lot of the other products I've used over the years....seem like a waste, ugh lol
Makes a lot of the other products I've used over the years....seem like a waste, ugh lol
Young Gotti
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haven't used either but i tend not to trust the quality of CEL products, they have fallen short of the hype more often than not from their ph days all the way up into the current natural products
StarScream66
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Both of those look like absolute garbage products that are nothing but gimmicks with ingredients. There are no magic pills that make you gain weight. You have to eat more calories, lift heavy doing compound lifts, drink plenty of water and get plenty of sleep.
Trust me, I've been reviewing supplements for 20+ years and I wouldn't waste my money on either of these products. Supplement companies are always coming out with these magic herbs, amino acids, and other nonsense concoctions that claim will make you gain weight. I can tell you right now it's all phoney baloney.
Get yourself a good weight gainer, like Invalid Link Removed. It's a great product that will put on quality weight and not a lot of fat because there aren't a lot of junk ingredients like most weight gainer shakes have. Most weight gainer shakes have weight protein concentrate, maltodextrin, and MCTs and they add nothing but fat to you. Beverly Ultra Mass Maker has real high quality protein, good carbs, and good fats to help you gain weight.
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In order to gain weight, you have to consume more calories than you burn off. So, you need to be eating a solid diet of mostly real food (you can have the weight gainer for breakfast or post workout) and have a good exercise routine.
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No gimmicky supplements with a bunch of ingredients no one has heard of with no studies to back them up are going to do anything at all to add muscle mass, it's the hardest thing to do naturally, especially if you're an Invalid Link Removed like I was.
The best supplements for gaining mass are: Invalid Link Removed (5g per day - the one I linked is Creapure, the best creatine on the market), Invalid Link Removed (2-4g per day) and Invalid Link Removed (4-6g per day). All of these are best taken preworkout. Take them everyday, including non-workout days, but on workout days take them preworkout. They will help you increase your lifts, increase your endurance, and increase the amount of reps you can do. This breaks down muscle tissue which helps it build back up and causes it to grow, a process known as hypertrophy. You can look up all these ingredients on examine.com to read more about them.
Don't believe the hype from these supplement companies.
I hope that helps, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
-SS
Trust me, I've been reviewing supplements for 20+ years and I wouldn't waste my money on either of these products. Supplement companies are always coming out with these magic herbs, amino acids, and other nonsense concoctions that claim will make you gain weight. I can tell you right now it's all phoney baloney.
Get yourself a good weight gainer, like Invalid Link Removed. It's a great product that will put on quality weight and not a lot of fat because there aren't a lot of junk ingredients like most weight gainer shakes have. Most weight gainer shakes have weight protein concentrate, maltodextrin, and MCTs and they add nothing but fat to you. Beverly Ultra Mass Maker has real high quality protein, good carbs, and good fats to help you gain weight.
Invalid Link Removed
In order to gain weight, you have to consume more calories than you burn off. So, you need to be eating a solid diet of mostly real food (you can have the weight gainer for breakfast or post workout) and have a good exercise routine.
Invalid Link Removed
No gimmicky supplements with a bunch of ingredients no one has heard of with no studies to back them up are going to do anything at all to add muscle mass, it's the hardest thing to do naturally, especially if you're an Invalid Link Removed like I was.
The best supplements for gaining mass are: Invalid Link Removed (5g per day - the one I linked is Creapure, the best creatine on the market), Invalid Link Removed (2-4g per day) and Invalid Link Removed (4-6g per day). All of these are best taken preworkout. Take them everyday, including non-workout days, but on workout days take them preworkout. They will help you increase your lifts, increase your endurance, and increase the amount of reps you can do. This breaks down muscle tissue which helps it build back up and causes it to grow, a process known as hypertrophy. You can look up all these ingredients on examine.com to read more about them.
Don't believe the hype from these supplement companies.
I hope that helps, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
-SS
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Iwilleattuna
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You're wrong. Some natural anabolics actually work . I've had amazing success with epicatechin for example
Would buy epicatechin supplements over a garbage weight gain shake all day and stick to whole foods
Haven't given AE a full run yet , though
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StarScream66
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Epicatechin, an ingredient found in dark chocolate has been studied to see if it has positive benefits in muscle growth because it appears to be a myostatin inhibitor. A study looked at how much you would need to take to get those benefits.
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So, you have to ask yourself when you take these supplements that have studies showing they're completely ineffective: was it the supplement that was responsible for muscle growth or was it my training, diet, and the other supplements I was taking with it? Were you taking any other supplements along side it or just epicatechin. I'd be willing to bet you were on other supplements on the time as well.
So, as my friend Will Brink likes to say: Welcome to Placeboville. Population: You.
Iwilleattuna
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No, it wasn't placebo. When I take 500-1g of epicatechin I notice pronounce recomp effects, nutrient partitioning, vascularity, pumps, endurance, etc.
Will Brink has recommended creatine countless times.
StarScream66
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Unfortunately that appears to be an in vitro study done on rat's skeletal muscle and not resistant trained humans, so it may be a good starting point to look at what it can potentially do, but in vitro rat studies don't really tell us much.
HOWEVER, the study linked right below it shows some benefit of epicatechin on older adults with Invalid Link Removed (muscle atrophy due to aging and other factors) showed more promise.
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Green tea catechins contain a high amount of epicatechin and a lot of other ingredients, but I've only heard about people using catechins (ECGC) for fat loss, not weight gain. Although, I suppose you could use it for recomp.
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I know Will Brink has mentioned creatine countless times. He's a huge advocate for it and I completely agree with him on the subject. We follow each other on Twitter, so I know all about his love for creatine. But, I'm not sure why you brought that up or what that has to do with anything.
But, I ask you again: what OTHER supplements are you taking besides epicatechin when you go on a recomp cycle?
LeanEngineer
Legend
Definitely agreed on this one. Can't beat an x gels and AE stack. Two of my fav natty products at the moment.
StarScream66
Well-known member
What is all this stuff and where are the studies showing they're effective at doing anything? You've got to be kidding me with this.
BloodManor
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In for some peaceful debates
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Ignoring the "protein" is everything you need for gains post lol
Ive ran both .. i enjoyed my mass max run as well ... but AE kills it.
def can stack the two as well .. or do AE + Epiplex would be pretty sick
Ive ran both .. i enjoyed my mass max run as well ... but AE kills it.
def can stack the two as well .. or do AE + Epiplex would be pretty sick
TheMrMuscle
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I really enjoyed my run with AE Invalid Link Removed and i plan to run it again. Have not tried MassMax so i cant make a comparison im afraid.
As for not trusting CEL? From my experience @sns8778 is one of the most dedicated and trustworthy person on this forum. And he goes out of his way to provide the highest quality products for us.
As for not trusting CEL? From my experience @sns8778 is one of the most dedicated and trustworthy person on this forum. And he goes out of his way to provide the highest quality products for us.
StarScream66
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It's a very simple scientific fact. You simply need to eat more calories than you burn off. That's how anabolism and hypertrophy work. You can take your magic herb blend and sprinkle it on your salad and it might be pretty tastey, but building muscle? Show me the evidence.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
thats not the point .. he asked a comparison between the 2 product .. not looking for a mass gainer/meal replacement or extra calories
you have to keep in mind that when pple ask about muscle builders they have their diet in check
if your looking for portein/sugar + more artifical sugar then yes mass maker is a great product
create a new thread dont ruin his thread with what hes not looking for.
StarScream66
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Maybe you missed the other part of my post where I recommended standard, known, working, and well studied supplements like creatine, beta alanine and citrulline.
Are you sure about that? If people are asking about gimmicky/phoney products, I'd suspect that they are not following proper bodybuilding protocols such as proper lifting and diet.
Let's look at some of the ingredients together, shall we?.
"(Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Isolate, Taurine, Egg Albumen, Sodium Caseinate)
Other Ingredients: Mass Maker Multi-Stage Carbohydrate System (Maltodextrin, Brown Rice Syrup Solids, Inulin [from Chicory Root Extract], Amaranth, Quinoa, Buckwheat, Durum, Millet, Spelt, Barley, Chia)"
The maltodextrin is a high GI carb, sure, but the other carbs are low GI cereals (not talking about lucky charms here), brans, and fibers.
And please don't get me starting on calling artificial sweeteners bad. That's an argument you will lose badly.
Mod edit: Actually you won't. If you don't want to use it, don't, but don't go into threads answering questions OP never asked.
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sns8778
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I'm not getting into the arguing going on in the thread.
Simple answer to OP's question is that a lot of people love stacking Anabolic Effect and X-Gels.
X-Gels is typically ran for around 50 days and Anabolic Effect is typically ran for 8 to 16 weeks.
To the people mentioning Epi-Plex, that makes for a great stack with either or both of the above as well. High potency epicatechin is one of my favorite ingredients.
Simple answer to OP's question is that a lot of people love stacking Anabolic Effect and X-Gels.
X-Gels is typically ran for around 50 days and Anabolic Effect is typically ran for 8 to 16 weeks.
To the people mentioning Epi-Plex, that makes for a great stack with either or both of the above as well. High potency epicatechin is one of my favorite ingredients.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Agree .. AE + Epiplex is very nice run
StarScream66
Well-known member
I'm not going to argue with a board sponsor because I'll just end up getting banned. But, there sure are a lot of snakes in your oil.
StarScream66
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Mod edit: Actually you won't. If you don't want to use it, don't, but don't go into threads answering questions OP never asked.
See? This is what I mean. You can't have a legitimate debate on this forum because the board sponsors just end up getting pissed and have any user who even questions their products banned. So, I give up. If you want to buy a Bridge in Brooklyn, give me a call though.
See? This is what I mean. You can't have a legitimate debate on this forum because the board sponsors just end up getting pissed and have any user who even questions their products banned. So, I give up. If you want to buy a Bridge in Brooklyn, give me a call though.
StarScream66
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BTW, I just want to add I think SNS is a great brand, as is CEL and I recommend their products regularly. This product however, I do not think is a good one. That is all.
ndiguy
Active member
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you
(just messing with you, btw... I have no skin in this game, just here to provide a little comedic relief)
aaronuconn
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So this guy says these natural anabolics are garbage (entitled to your opinion - that’s fine), and says take a good quality mass gainer that doesn’t have matodextrin and MCT’s... then proceeds to post a mass gainer led with Maltodextrin, and contains MCT’s...
aaronuconn
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@StarScream66, are all these links you regularly post on AnabolicMinds affiliate marketing links?
At the end of your hyperlink, there is “?rfsn=4400610.5a28d3” and RFSN is sometimes used for affiliate linking purposes.
At the end of your hyperlink, there is “?rfsn=4400610.5a28d3” and RFSN is sometimes used for affiliate linking purposes.
StarScream66
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Like I said, I'm done here. I'm not going to get banned because a sponsor disagrees with me. My post with what I consider sound advice is up there for anyone to read.
I have no idea. I just run the links I find with the cheapest prices I can find through bitly and paste them here. A lot of those links, especially Amazon, have all sorts of indecipherable codes after them.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
It's ironic that you can take the time to post all sorts of negative things and post a book on promoting Beverly's products but you can't take the time to google the ingredients in a product to see that there are a wide variety of clinical studies on them. Yet you can make negative comments implying the ingredients don't do anything when a simple google search of the ingredients would have shown you a large list of clinical studies.
Literally 4 of the ingredients in the product are clinically researched licensed, branded ingredients - PrimaVie, ActiGin, AstraGin, & S7. The other 3 also have studies on them but not branded ingredient versions available.
My post literally said that I wasn't going to get into the argument going in this thread and then I proceeded to answer the OP's question.
It's like you just can't stop yourself from being insulting or being argumentative. By asking about studies on the ingredients and acting like there aren't any when there are, it already shows that you didn't take the time to read up on any of the ingredients, yet you're still insulting them.
Some of the most respected and well-known members on this forum have logged or reviewed Anabolic Effect and been very pleased with it. The way you're coming off is that none of them know what they're talking about, which is very disrespectful and insulting to them. Some of these members have physiques and a level of dedication that I respect immensely and could only ever dream of having myself.
Like admin/mod said - if you don't like a product, don't use it. But it's very disrespectful to companies and to people posting questions to come into threads and derail those threads to make them be about something that wasn't being asked about or discussed.
You didn't question anyone's products - you came into a thread bashing products that you haven't used and seem to not be familiar with the ingredients on.
Again, if you truly like the brands, then I would encourage you to look at the wide variety of logs and reviews by very respected board members on Anabolic Effect and to look into the ingredients and the studies on them. Many of these studies can be found at links of the respective branded ingredients websites.
To me, this seems very passive aggressive here because I personally never insult brands even if I don't like them; and definitely don't insult ones that I claim to. I may say something like I haven't tried ____ because I don't think its for me or that I haven't looked into it, but I definitely don't go bashing a product or ingredient that I haven't even taken the time to fully research. Actually for me, I don't bash anything bc I also respect that different things work different for different people.
StarScream66
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I sincerely apologize to you, sir. I would love to have a legitimate debate about the ingredients, but, unfortunately, the board etiquette is that talking back to sponsors ends up in a ban.
So, I wish you and your company all the best luck and I hope there's no hard feelings.
So, I wish you and your company all the best luck and I hope there's no hard feelings.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Thank you for the apology, I do appreciate it. PM coming your way.
Iwilleattuna
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@StarScream66 the first 3 times I used Epicatechin was in isolation . So your theory is wrong again. Try Epicatechin for yourself and then comment whether or not it’s ineffective. You even posted more studies backing up what we are all saying. Epicatechin is no joke. Oh and btw, I’m not affiliated with any of the companies here(you can ask), so I’m not promoting any brand .
poison
Board Sponsor
Apology not accepted. I has to read all that bullshit to get to here, and you wasted my fucking time, lol. Check it: this isn't 2006 anymore, Rip van Winkle, and we've mostly all been here years. Most here have probably been training longer than you, and don't give a **** that you and Brink 'menage a two' on twitter. If someone is in here asking for advice on this product or that one, he's nor ignorant, or ACTUALLY meaning to ask for diet and training advice. He's asking about the fuggin products. If he wanted diet or training advice, he'd mosey on over to those respective forums. Lol, Mass Gainer, just eat food; it's delicious and better for you. And have fun experimenting with supps if you wish, it's safer than sarms or prohormones.....
BloodManor said:
In 2020? Nah.
dvw
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Starscream is full of bad advice
Starscream is full of bad advice. Erroneous contradictory nonsense
thegodfather
Well-known member
I think too many people correlate effectiveness with what you "feel". Of course these are not prohormones/DS that pack on muscle and make you feel like **** in the meantime. That's not to say that many of these new supplements don't work though either. Like said before, most of us have been around for a long time, myself have been here on the boards off and on since 08'. We're past the dial in your diet and come back and talk to us stage of things. That's pretty much a given at this point.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
AE is legit one of the best natural muscle builder imo
joe123!
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GQdaLEGEND
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I have thread somewhere for deals on sns/cel
But top of my head 3 bottles for $120 on dps site with coupon code dps