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Fact is, with these shutdowns we probably are saving more lives from the ill effects of deadly pollution than these little CCP-Virus bugs, so why ever open up again....once the CCP-bug passes we should re-invent the world so we can save more lives than the CCP-clap.

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Does it matter if a deadly particle/clap is a contagion from either a human or chimney?
 
Where were all the CCP-Virus freaks the day before this all started when we had a far worse preventable toxic contagion floating in the air?

German researchers estimate that as many as 8.8 million deaths per year globally can be attributed to dirty air.

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While everything may seem like puppies and kittens right now in terms of low incididence and severity of symptoms/deaths in relatively healthy and especially young patients, I don’t see this continuing into the fall and winter. I predict a resurgence of what we saw in March/April, or at least what I saw.

Covid-19 is a very unique virus in how it disrupts typical body chemistry and inflammatory response, and it has been shown to have the capacity to impact more than just the lungs. We truly don’t yet understand the long term consequences of the virus on our physiology. I have seen all ends of the spectrum, and if I were to test positive for COVID-19 test this week, I would honestly feel a bit uneasy. Not only about my immediate health, but long term consequences.

As I mentioned earlier, I was closely exposed at work today without proper protection to a patient with positive biomarkers, a shitty CXR, yet a negative initial swab. Am I sitting here freaking out right now, no...not at all. After dealing with it for months now, you develop a numbness to it- or at least I do. If I get a phone call tomorrow from work, things may get a little interesting.
 
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While everything may seem like puppies and kittens right now in terms of low incididence and severity of symptoms/deaths in relatively healthy and especially young patients, I don’t see this continuing into the fall and winter. I predict a resurgence of what we saw in March/April, or at least what I saw.

Covid-19 is a very unique virus in how it disrupts typical body chemistry and inflammatory response, and it has been shown to have the capacity to impact more than just the lungs. We truly don’t yet understand the long term consequences of the virus on our physiology. I have seen all ends of the spectrum, and if I were to test positive for COVID-19 test this week, I would honestly feel a bit uneasy. Not only about my immediate health, but long term consequences.

As I mentioned earlier, I was closely exposed at work today without proper protection to a patient with positive biomarkers, a shitty CXR, yet a negative initial swab. Am I sitting here freaking out right now, no...not at all. After dealing with it for months now, you develop a numbness to it- or at least I do. If I get a phone call tomorrow from work, things may get a little interesting.
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People are reacting the way they are because the CCP-virus although a bad health problem its not like its the freaking black plague. Its really not that bad, especially for almost all younger healthy people.

Relax man, we will be ok lol

If there is anything to panic about its pollution, that is far deadlier and kills more people than the CCP-Virus but that doesnt mean the world is going to stop and everybody needs to live a world of 1984.
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All it would really take to slow down transmission is to practice social distancing and, where that cannot be adequately maintained, wear a face covering.

That's it.

I know it's not the Black Plague, but one day we may see a resurgence of such antibiotic resistant bacterial disease with high mortality and I guarantee people will still protest and claim "scamdemic".

But even if we focus on what is happening now, it's literally incomprehensible to me that people are so self centered that they even refuse to follow small inconveniences in order to protect the more vulnerable members of their societies. Want to still work? Fine, I can 100% see that view point. But why fight other such simple precautions? There are scores of videos showing people becoming violent in their protest to wear a mask.

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To me it's funny how the people who cant even run their own lives are trying to be the voice of the people.
 
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Where were all the CCP-Virus freaks the day before this all started when we had a far worse preventable toxic contagion floating in the air?

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Just as a note, the study mentioned identifies that some incidences of heart disease, COPD, lung cancers, lower respiratory tract disorders etc can be, at least partially, attributed to air pollution.

Why is this more believable than covid aggravating cases of the same above diseases?

Also, if pollution contributes to the incidence rate of the above diseases, does that not mean that more people have underlying conditions due to air pollution levels?
 
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Just as a note, the study mentioned identifies that some incidences of heart disease, COPD, lung cancers, lower respiratory tract disorders etc can be, at least partially, attributed to air pollution.

Why is this more believable than covid aggravating cases of the same above diseases?

Also, if pollution contributes to the incidence rate of the above diseases, does that not mean that more people have underlying conditions due to air pollution levels?
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You can say the both governments and factors have contributed to set up society to fail when an pandemic comes into play I guess.

If only the same passion and ferocity that we saw in the CCP virus was put to combating pollution...but then there are serious economic consequences to account for, we need to transition responsibly.
 
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adobo, lumpia, lechon and milkfish over coals...brings back some good memories--and the old women selling balot and benatog.
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I love some lumpia. I was stationed in Hawaii and one of the guys in my unit was married to a Filipino. She would make a ton of lumpia and bring it to the barracks for us to eat. Good times!
 
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I’m assuming you’ve seen several COVID patients put on a ventilator? What percentage of them survived, in your opinion?
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Indeed I have. I actually volunteered myself to be the primary RT who was there to intubate and manage the ventilator with these patients in the ICU- where I was fully protected. I liked knowing exactly what I was dealing with during those early months, and ventilator management is my favorite part of what I do.

The most patients we had at one time that required mechanical ventilation was 6, and we have probably had ~10 vented COVID patients overall. These mostly occurred in March and April. All of them survived, despite many of us believing they were not going to pull through. While we had to have extra staff, we were always able to give each patient a high standard of care. This was/is not always the case across the country and especially in certain parts of the world.

100% survival rate for us! Our most recent ventilated patient was the most complex, and ended up being in the hospital for 6 weeks. He was ~ 60 years old and only prior medical history was diabetes, and workplace exposure to harmful chemicals- which never had an impact on his breathing prior.

The virus completely ravaged his lungs over those 6 weeks and his lung tissue is now fibrous scar tissue which will never change. He will be oxygen dependent for the rest of his life.

A friend that he worked with was in his 30’s also came down with the virus and died within days. He was not at my hospital so I don’t know any other details about him.
 
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Boom. There it is. The REAL risk that we might have Joe Biden as our next president. Our nation has become stupid. The fact this is even considered a talking point or argument is, frankly, intellectually pathetic.

Don't be a liberal. Don't ignore facts just because they don't fit the narrative you want to believe. This is the way of thinking that liberals follow - they will point out all the perceived flaws on the other side but ignore the same flaws in their own side. Trump is a racist (with no evidence). Biden (with evidence of racism) is a good guy. Or as Biden says, "Truth over facts".

To believe that there are suddenly 180,000 deaths and say that 171,800 of had co-morbidities so Covid didn't kill them is moronic. How logical is the following:

"Well, he had lung cancer, but they had asthma so the cancer didn't kill him."

"Well, he had a genetic heart defect - he was going to die anyway. His obesity wasn't a factor."

"He had cancer and was going to die anyway. That gunshot wound had nothing to do with his death."

Co-morbidities cause complications when you get sick and make it more likely you will die from another sickness. It is no secret and has been the concern since the beginning. And guess what, there IS NO AT RISK MINORITY here. There is an AT RISK MAJORITY. Over 70% of our country is overweight, 40% is obese. That is a big number of people with a major co-morbidity. Almost 1/3 of our country has high blood pressure. Add in people who are normal weight with diabetes, auto-immune diseases, etc. - The idea of an "at risk" group is a fallacy.

And that's just talking death rates. The evidence shows significant immunological, cardiovascular and neurological impacts to people who catch this, even if they seem to be asymptomatic. Death is only one issue here.

Also, can you explain to me, exactly, what rights were taken away from you?

This should actually be considered a strength for Trump. He did a tremendous job of walking a very fine line - he locked down with minor impact on anyone's constitutional rights, and tried to get the country open and running again, even during the worst of it.

Restaurants and movie theaters, etc. are not constitutional rights. Businesses are allowed to run in service of society - not to its detriment. You don't have the right to open any business you want, anywhere you want. If you believe that, try opening up a restaurant at your house. Hell, in most towns, landscapers can't even store their trucks at their own house. Why? Because that use will impact the people around them negatively. You cannot run a business that unreasonably has a negative impact on people who are not patrons of the business.

In the meantime, I feel it hard to believe your rights have been very trampled. I live in New England - in one of the most liberal states in the country. I can only own a 10 round magazine for a gun that has to be on an "approved' list. New England is one of the hardest hit areas of the country. At no point in time was Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, any grocery store, or even a fast food restaurant inaccessible to me.

So if you want to talk about misrepresentation - how about misrepresenting the shutdown and it's impact on our "rights'?

For god sake, we're republicans. Aren't we all in on our generators, guns, ammo and bugout bags? Aren't we prepared for self-reliance? And we're going to cry when we can't go to a restaurant? This world has become twisted.
 
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Because somebody taking a mask off to slurp down a 32oz coke to wash down a double whopper with large fries followed by popping a cigarette on their way to the car is absolutely comical to me. Then they sit in a car and one side drops 10 inches. Why is this relevant? Because these are the people that destructed themselves to be fragile to the CCP-virus. Doesnt mean they dont count but personal responsibility to the self is something that people should take up on.

I dont care what is "legally defined" as a person, government need not tell me what a person is and who can claim to have rights. Ill decide that and Ill decide if its an issue or not (Im not trying to sound so heavy here :).) A 7 month pregnant women smoking, drinking or doing drugs is a criminal.

I did end my statement confirming that the CCP virus is still an issue, did I not?
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I agree that people should be more responsible and try to make themselves as useful as possible - for the benefit of themselves and society as a whole.

But while those people may have weaknesses, they also may have strengths. That guy with his gut hanging over his sides may be the guy who has to reconnect your electricity after a power outage, or write the software you are using to communicate over the internet, etc. If you think losing that person just because they are unhealthy and weaker doesn't have a huge impact on society - you are underestimating things. Part of the reason many people ARE overweight is because in order to contribute in society today you have to get a job that puts you behind a desk for 12 hours a day, almost motionless. Not an excuse, but a fact of life. We on this board are more successful at being stronger than most, so we should know exactly how hard it is.

But as far as the rest of your statement - why do you get to decide who or what has rights? If you decide someone isn't valuable, perhaps that person with the beer gut, and kill him, is that OK? Can you use the defense of, "I'll tell you who/what a person is." Obviously we need to have definitions and standards that everyone is held to equally. And deciding those standards and upholding them IS a governmental responsibility. I would put that right up there with the responsibility to defend borders. We can't have every individual making random decisions about what is right and wrong.

But I agree - a 7 month pregnant woman drinking and smoking is wrong. Can you explain to me why you think it is wrong? I think your standard here can likely be applied to other situations.

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Indeed I have. I actually volunteered myself to be the primary RT who was there to intubate and manage the ventilator with these patients in the ICU- where I was fully protected. I liked knowing exactly what I was dealing with during those early months, and ventilator management is my favorite part of what I do.

The most patients we had at one time that required mechanical ventilation was 6, and we have probably had ~10 vented COVID patients overall. These mostly occurred in March and April. All of them survived, despite many of us believing they were not going to pull through. While we had to have extra staff, we were always able to give each patient a high standard of care. This was/is not always the case across the country and especially in certain parts of the world.

100% survival rate for us! Our most recent ventilated patient was the most complex, and ended up being in the hospital for 6 weeks. He was ~ 60 years old and only prior medical history was diabetes, and workplace exposure to harmful chemicals- which never had an impact on his lungs prior.

The virus completely ravaged his lungs over those 6 weeks and his lung tissue is now fibrous scar tissue which will never change. He will be oxygen dependent for the rest of his life.

A friend that he worked with was in his 30’s also came down with the virus and died within days. He was not at my hospital so I don’t know any other details about him.
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Great work man. This is truly heroic. Those people are all lucky to have someone who cares so much caring for them.
 
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Boom. There it is. The REAL risk that we might have Joe Biden as our next president. Our nation has become stupid. The fact this is even considered a talking point or argument is, frankly, intellectually pathetic.

Don't be a liberal. Don't ignore facts just because they don't fit the narrative you want to believe. This is the way of thinking that liberals follow - they will point out all the perceived flaws on the other side but ignore the same flaws in their own side. Trump is a racist (with no evidence). Biden (with evidence of racism) is a good guy. Or as Biden says, "Truth over facts".

To believe that there are suddenly 180,000 deaths and say that 171,800 of had co-morbidities so Covid didn't kill them is moronic. How logical is the following:

"Well, he had lung cancer, but they had asthma so the cancer didn't kill him."

"Well, he had a genetic heart defect - he was going to die anyway. His obesity wasn't a factor."

"He had cancer and was going to die anyway. That gunshot wound had nothing to do with his death."

Co-morbidities cause complications when you get sick and make it more likely you will die from another sickness. It is no secret and has been the concern since the beginning. And guess what, there IS NO AT RISK MINORITY here. There is an AT RISK MAJORITY. Over 70% of our country is overweight, 40% is obese. That is a big number of people with a major co-morbidity. Almost 1/3 of our country has high blood pressure. Add in people who are normal weight with diabetes, auto-immune diseases, etc. - The idea of an "at risk" group is a fallacy.

And that's just talking death rates. The evidence shows significant immunological, cardiovascular and neurological impacts to people who catch this, even if they seem to be asymptomatic. Death is only one issue here.

Also, can you explain to me, exactly, what rights were taken away from you?

This should actually be considered a strength for Trump. He did a tremendous job of walking a very fine line - he locked down with minor impact on anyone's constitutional rights, and tried to get the country open and running again, even during the worst of it.

Restaurants and movie theaters, etc. are not constitutional rights. Businesses are allowed to run in service of society - not to its detriment. You don't have the right to open any business you want, anywhere you want. If you believe that, try opening up a restaurant at your house. Hell, in most towns, landscapers can't even store their trucks at their own house. Why? Because that use will impact the people around them negatively. You cannot run a business that unreasonably has a negative impact on people who are not patrons of the business.

In the meantime, I feel it hard to believe your rights have been very trampled. I live in New England - in one of the most liberal states in the country. I can only own a 10 round magazine for a gun that has to be on an "approved' list. New England is one of the hardest hit areas of the country. At no point in time was Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, any grocery store, or even a fast food restaurant inaccessible to me.

So if you want to talk about misrepresentation - how about misrepresenting the shutdown and it's impact on our "rights'?

For god sake, we're republicans. Aren't we all in on our generators, guns, ammo and bugout bags? Aren't we prepared for self-reliance? And we're going to cry when we can't go to a restaurant? This world has become twisted.
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Holy hell I love this post. I have so much respect for much of what the republican party stands for and you seem to embody much of that.

I always found it ironic knowing theyre the most prepared for end of world **** like this and yet the first to cry for haircuts and shopping when it actually comes wtf

Trump blocking travel was great but he then sat on his hands, tried to downplay it, and it was downhill from there.

I enjoyed this blog post and perspective, curious what your thoughts on it are regarding the way America falsely worships "freedom."

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Holy hell I love this post. I have so much respect for much of what the republican party stands for and you seem to embody much of that.

I always found it ironic knowing theyre the most prepared for end of world **** like this and yet the first to cry for haircuts and shopping when it actually comes wtf

Trump blocking travel was great but he then sat on his hands, tried to downplay it, and it was downhill from there.

I enjoyed this blog post and perspective, curious what your thoughts on it are regarding the way America falsely worships "freedom."

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I will read that in a bit - I have to get some work done, haha. These long diatribes don't write themselves! :)

But one thing I wanted to respond to - Trump got ZERO help trying to stop this early on and was still very effective. But he apparently also realized that blowing everything up out of fear wasn't great either - and somehow we need to keep the economy stable and also keep people from REALLY freaking out. Maybe he failed at that, given the blowup of BLM, etc. But I think he was trying to walk that line where he was saying, "We have to get this machine turning again, as quickly as possible and not over-react" and still take steps to protect people, while also not impeding on constitutional rights. I don't think that is easy and I think the debates we have on here really highlight how no one is happy when you accomplish ALL of those goals. You will never be able to do all 3 well enough, and you have to make trade offs. I think he, honestly, was pretty good with those trade offs, even in the face of tremendous criticism and opposition.

I mean, he got a stimulus package out VERY quickly - with delays on the democratic side - which is a liberal idea but he saw that it was necessary given the economic burden this was creating. The trade off is huge - he realized he had to suspend his ideals to help people, take out some long term debt for the short term survival, and accepted the fact that this virus WAS going to hurt us. Yet he didn't come out and instill more fear by scaring everyone into thinking this was the end of the world. It's hard for humans to assess risk - we either over-estimate or under-estimate it - and he did a great job in my eyes. A lot of people will disagree, and I understand why to some extent. If you don't want to make trade-offs, you aren't going to be happy with what he did. The republican in me things, "Great, more long term debt and higher taxes to pay for this stimulus. Just like Obama." But the realist in me also thinks, "He is literally helping people, in spite of the liberals, and gets no credit."

I mean, Pelosi went on vacation rather than work out a second stimulus package and Trump went out on a limb with an executive order to get SOMETHING done. Now, I know the negotiations were more complicated - but she did call off that vacation as soon as there was a threat to her getting her mail-in votes for Biden and she got the USPS funding right away. All she cares about is power and not the people.
 
LA Sheriff's Dept: Deputies kill Black man who dropped a gun
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Too bad those Deputies didn't have a social worker riding with them...probably could've saved this young man's life...DONT fight with the police...especially while armed.
 
manifesto said:
LA Sheriff's Dept: Deputies kill Black man who dropped a gun
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Too bad those Deputies didn't have a social worker riding with them...probably could've saved this young man's life...DONT fight with the police...especially while armed.
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It’s ironic to me how Republicans hate the government having power but graciously hand police unlimited power on a golden platter.
 
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It’s ironic to me how Republicans hate the government having power but graciously hand police unlimited power on a golden platter.
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I can agree with that. And equally ironic is the way that democrats want to tell everyone that they shouldn't worry about owning guns and protecting themselves, that's what the police are for - and then they want to defund the police.

Or how they want to impose more and more laws, yet won't support the police who have to enforce them.
 
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I can agree with that. And equally ironic is the way that democrats want to tell everyone that they shouldn't worry about owning guns and protecting themselves, that's what the police are for - and then they want to defund the police.

Or how they want to impose more and more laws, yet won't support the police who have to enforce them.
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It’s almost like... both parties suck and are handling this wrong? 🤯🤯🤯🤯
 
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It’s almost like... both parties suck and are handling this wrong? 🤯🤯🤯🤯
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I can agree with this to a large extent. The biggest problem is professional politicians. They only care about their own interests.

Politicians, whether republican or Democrat, both do shifty things.

And the only guy in the conversation who isn't a professional politician may be a complete azzhole...but he hasn't been in office since he was in his 20's and is still the only one trying to go against career politicians. If either side had a better option, it would be a breath of fresh air.

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Got hand it to you, HIT4ME, you present yourself and your thoughts well.
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Thank you sir. I feel sometimes like I can be an azz but I really appreciate people here and love the way we can trade blows and everyone can take it and come back with good thoughts. The people on this board have taught me a lot and really made me think.
 
HIT4ME said:
I can agree with this to a large extent. The biggest problem is professional politicians. They only care about their own interests.

Politicians, whether republican or Democrat, both do shifty things.

And the only guy in the conversation who isn't a professional politician may be a complete azzhole...but he hasn't been in office since he was in his 20's and is still the only one trying to go against career politicians. If either side had a better option, it would be a breath of fresh air.



Thank you sir. I feel sometimes like I can be an azz but I really appreciate people here and love the way we can trade blows and everyone can take it and come back with good thoughts. The people on this board have taught me a lot and really made me think.
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I just counted (quickly) the number of senators under the age of 50. There are 13. And most of that 13 are 47-49. Three are under 45. There are no senators under 40.

There are roughly 14 senators above 75 and roughly 36 above 65. HALF of US senators are over the retirement age
 
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But while those people may have weaknesses, they also may have strengths. That guy with his gut hanging over his sides may be the guy who has to reconnect your electricity after a power outage, or write the software you are using to communicate over the internet, etc. If you think losing that person just because they are unhealthy and weaker doesn't have a huge impact on society - you are underestimating things. Part of the reason many people ARE overweight is because in order to contribute in society today you have to get a job that puts you behind a desk for 12 hours a day, almost motionless. Not an excuse, but a fact of life. We on this board are more successful at being stronger than most, so we should know exactly how hard it is.
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I agree we need to look after everybody as a society, that does not mean it should be at force at the expense of others.

Being at a desk job for 12 hours does not equate to a unhealthy diet, overeating, drinking, etc....its a choice, at least in most cases (leptin resistant for example.)

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Restaurants and movie theaters, etc. are not constitutional rights. Businesses are allowed to run in service of society - not to its detriment. You don't have the right to open any business you want, anywhere you want. If you believe that, try opening up a restaurant at your house. Hell, in most towns, landscapers can't even store their trucks at their own house. Why? Because that use will impact the people around them negatively. You cannot run a business that unreasonably has a negative impact on people who are not patrons of the business.
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Resaurants, movie theaters, in home businesses such as in home restaurants may not be a "Constutitional Right" but it doesnt make it un-Constitutional nor does it make it Constitutional for government to take those priveledges away from you on your own private property. Yeah sure, amendments, local laws, etc....still doesnt make it right via Constitution.

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But as far as the rest of your statement - why do you get to decide who or what has rights? If you decide someone isn't valuable, perhaps that person with the beer gut, and kill him, is that OK? Can you use the defense of, "I'll tell you who/what a person is." Obviously we need to have definitions and standards that everyone is held to equally. And deciding those standards and upholding them IS a governmental responsibility. I would put that right up there with the responsibility to defend borders. We can't have every individual making random decisions about what is right and wrong.
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I wasnt clear, nobody can tell me what is right or wrong, I decide that. Well they have the right to tell me, lol.... I didnt mean that I decide who has rights or not. I have the right to think for myself who, what, when and where people have rights and express myself even if its hurtful (non-threatenig) to others...Of course, Im a law abiding citizen at the end of the day :)
 
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I just counted (quickly) the number of senators under the age of 50. There are 13. And most of that 13 are 47-49. Three are under 45. There are no senators under 40.

There are roughly 14 senators above 75 and roughly 36 above 65. HALF of US senators are over the retirement age
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Term limits, including the Supreme Nursing Home!!!!
 
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Ive been making the argument since the beginning of this thread, The Republicrats are almost the same big government monsters Demicans are but nobody believes me.
 
Woody said:
I just counted (quickly) the number of senators under the age of 50. There are 13. And most of that 13 are 47-49. Three are under 45. There are no senators under 40.

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Yeah, I don't really care if senators are young or old - but getting in when you are in your 20's and making a living for 50 years without ever having to participate in the real world as a private citizen is part of the issue. These career politicians are so privileged and disconnected from the average American who pays for their privilege. Ideally though, it would end up being a mix of ages - which of course would be much more likely with term limits.

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I agree we need to look after everybody as a society, that does not mean it should be at force at the expense of others.

Being at a desk job for 12 hours does not equate to a unhealthy diet, overeating, drinking, etc....its a choice, at least in most cases (leptin resistant for example.)



Resaurants, movie theaters, in home businesses such as in home restaurants may not be a "Constutitional Right" but it doesnt make it un-Constitutional nor does it make it Constitutional for government to take those priveledges away from you on your own private property. Yeah sure, amendments, local laws, etc....still doesnt make it right via Constitution.



I wasnt clear, nobody can tell me what is right or wrong, I decide that. Well they have the right to tell me, lol.... I didnt mean that I decide who has rights or not. I have the right to think for myself who, what, when and where people have rights and express myself even if its hurtful (non-threatenig) to others...Of course, Im a law abiding citizen at the end of the day :)
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Sitting at a desk does not equate to an unhealthy diet - but it makes staying in a caloric deficit much harder. If I'm working a construction job and burning 3000 calories a day it is a lot easier to maintain weight than if I'm behind a desk burning 2,000 calories/day. If I eat 2800 calories/day I will lose weight in one job and gain it rapidly in the other. Yes, it's not the end-all-be-all of health, but it's a big factor and not everyone is as dedicated that they will put the time in to overcome the environment that has been created. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it may not be 100% wrong either.

You nailed it in your second paragraph. They are privileges, not rights. What you can do on your private property IS limited and always has been. Like I said, try to open a restaurant at your house and see what happens.

I agree that you should be a free-thinker. Questioning right and wrong is necessary and that's how we change laws and behaviors. And freedom of speech (even hurtful or offensive speech), of course, is something I believe in - this board is a great example of it.

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Ive been making the argument since the beginning of this thread, The Republicrats are almost the same big government monsters Demicans are but nobody believes me.
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I hear you here. This, in my mind gets back to the term limits issue. There are no republicans anymore. They are all career politicians, which is incongruent with the idea of being a conservative. If my livelihood depends on a position in the gov't - then of course I want to improve my job security and my power/income by creating more and more need for more and more gov't. This is a conflict of interest for anyone claiming to be a republican. You cannot be a republican AND a career politician.
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Holy hell I love this post. I have so much respect for much of what the republican party stands for and you seem to embody much of that.

I always found it ironic knowing theyre the most prepared for end of world **** like this and yet the first to cry for haircuts and shopping when it actually comes wtf

Trump blocking travel was great but he then sat on his hands, tried to downplay it, and it was downhill from there.

I enjoyed this blog post and perspective, curious what your thoughts on it are regarding the way America falsely worships "freedom."

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Getting back to this - finally - very good read. I'm not sure I 100% agree - it seems like he makes statements that are a little too far, but his reasoning seems to be similar to mine in a lot of ways. One of the striking things is that some of his statements seem to be taken just a little too far at points, but that knee-jerk reaction may be that I have discomfort with the ideas - saying that we don't want freedom, or that we don't have choice at all. But in my own view of life, I've had a lot of uncomfortable ideas I didn't like that, with further thought and understanding, I grew to accept even though I know they aren't comfortable for me. It's like the idea we are all going to die, it isn't so comfortable for us - but we have to get comfortable with it because it is real. And that's what I get from his reasoning.

Beyond that, it's something I am going to have to ponder for a good while and I don't know that I'll have a definitive answer if I agree 100% with him or not. I see it more simply as we should have freedoms up to the point where those freedoms impose on the freedoms of someone else. But that is a simplistic view too. For instance, should we have a freedom to not be offended? If so, is my offensive speech imposing on that freedom? I certainly think that isn't a right; but some people might disagree.

And I would also ponder that we DO have freedoms, but with freedoms comes the burden of suffering the consequences of your actions. But that is kind of simplistic too.
 
ax1 said:
Ive been making the argument since the beginning of this thread, The Republicrats are almost the same big government monsters Demicans are but nobody believes me.
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I'm not sure how this relates to a justified officer involved shooting...? I'm giving the officers the power to use deadly force. Yes, i am ok with that....
 
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ax1 said:
Ive been making the argument since the beginning of this thread, The Republicrats are almost the same big government monsters Demicans are but nobody believes me.
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Yep. Both parties looooooove big government when they are in control and haaaate it when the other party is in control
 
manifesto said:
I'm not sure how this relates to a justified officer involved shooting...? I'm giving the officers the power to use deadly force. Yes, u am ok with that....
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They mostly have incremental differences between most of the major policies and how to apply them, such as income taxes, wars, spying on Americans, limiting our 2nd Amendment rights, proper due process. Its a single party duopoly, once the doors close they for the most part are on the same page and negotiate how to implement the next un-Constitutional policies and further solidify they monopoly on power. They for the most part are paid off, lobbied and controlled by the same people.

If the Founding Fathers woke up from the grave today they would overthrow and destroy both of them.
 
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Yep. Both parties looooooove big government when they are in control and haaaate it when the other party is in control
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Neither party ever really loses control.

We can break up the Republican party as a whole today, Republican yellow vs Republican green and everybody thinks they hate and compete with each other but end of the day you mostly have the same thing.

We can break up the Democrat party as a whole today, make Democrat Purple vs Democrat Burgundy, we tell people to pick between the two, they all fight and hate each other on TV and then you get the same people back in power.

I dont see why most people dont see it. What we have today is whats called a Duopoly single party state, its just like picking between Coke and Pepsi.

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betting odds-on august 4
biden -165
trump+140

on august 31
biden -115
trump-105

on august 4 biden was the odds on favorite, now it looks like a dead heat, trump has closed the gap considerably in less than a month!!!

definately looks like trump has the momentum....those 'mostly peaceful riots' seem to be affecting the odds in trump's favor.
 
'chicago area police reportedly warned by fbi of gang pact to 'shoot on-sight any cop'

21% of cops in chicago are black...

i wonder if there will be any BLM protests of this threat against blacks---anyone care to wager?

my guess is, if you are a cop you are not black-eh, joe biden?
 
thebigt said:
'chicago area police reportedly warned by fbi of gang pact to 'shoot on-sight any cop'

21% of cops in chicago are black...

i wonder if there will be any BLM protests of this threat against blacks---anyone care to wager?

my guess is, if you are a cop you are not black-eh, joe biden?
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I don’t know where you got your info bigt but that’s a true report. I just received this today.

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house speaker pelosi visited a san fransisco hair salon on monday afternoon despite local ordinances keeping salons closed. in security footage obtained by fox news and timestamped monday at 3:08pm pacific. pelosi is seen waliking through esalon with wet hair, and without a mask over her mouth and nose...

in other news...'pelosi announces coronavirus masks will be required in house chamber'
 
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I don’t know where you got your info bigt but that’s a true report. I just received this today.

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thanks for verifying, but i wished it wasn't true...these are truly evil times we live in!!!

i hope lots of arrests and convictions come quickly....but i am afraid if arrests are made bidens campaign staff will bail them out just like they have done with violent criminals in the past-truth!!!

GOD be with you and all of your fellow law enforcement officers.
 
'DC committee recommends changes to washington monument, jefferson memorial and dozens of other historical assests in city'


bidens America....i dare any reporter to ask biden what he thinks of this 'recommendation'.....how much ya wanna bet that never happens?
 
thebigt said:
'DC committee recommends changes to washington monument, jefferson memorial and dozens of other historical assests in city'


bidens America....i dare any reporter to ask biden what he thinks of this 'recommendation'.....how much ya wanna bet that never happens?
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They won't ask him anything...and he will walk off the stage looking like a lost old man. First presidential candidate in history to wear a Life Alert.
 
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@HIT4ME All good points. Sorry I have been trying to catch up in this thread. You lose track and next thing you know there is 10 pages of posts and yours happen to be books in themselves. I will note that I do not claim to be a Republican. They just happen to be the party I vote for in order to defeat democrats.

About the China virus crap honestly I don’t think I will ever make sense of it. And quite frankly I have all but given up trying to. 9200, 180000, what’s the real number? Who knows. Somewhere in the middle probably.

As for me bitching about stuff being closed, or not getting a haircut, or not going to a restaurant...I’m only raising points for others. Oddly enough my life hasn’t really changed that much since China virus hit. I don’t do theaters. I’m not a huge fan of restaurants. I don’t do malls or shop. Everything I like to do is secluded and was unchanged.

Sorry if this is a jumbled mess. I have been working on guns and working on my reloads for the two competitions I have this month and still had to squeeze in traps and shoulders today.
 
TRUMP 2020!!!!
 
thebigt said:
thanks for verifying, but i wished it wasn't true...these are truly evil times we live in!!!

i hope lots of arrests and convictions come quickly....but i am afraid if arrests are made bidens campaign staff will bail them out just like they have done with violent criminals in the past-truth!!!

GOD be with you and all of your fellow law enforcement officers.
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Man I wish it wasn’t true either. It’s the sign of the times. The Portland DA is refusing to prosecute the protestors. Portland is asking for surrounding sheriff’s offices to assist during the riots and they’re refusing. One sheriff said law enforcement is actually arresting the same people night after night due to the DA dropping charges.

Thanks for the well wishes and prayers BigT. We need them.
 
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