Donald Trump running for president

in 2018 assaults against police officers resulted in 18,005 injuries...that was 2018, imagine what that number will be for 2020...

ok @Jiigzz how many cops get assaulted and injured in YOUR country?
 
thebigt said:
i will take that as a no, there are no other industrialized nations who kill cops as much as here....ok, next!!!

how about we try cops being injured in line of duty-how many in NZ?
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You guys have a bigger population. What more can I say. Your covid deaths make up 3% of NZs population.
 
Woody said:
You should have known better than to try and bring statistics into this...
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Evidently scaling for population only matters when it's my argument lol
 
manifesto said:
You would have been wounded and perhaps much worse here in the states with your mentality....please believe me.
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You dont even read your own sources. I've lost confidence in you
 
manifesto said:
You would have been wounded and perhaps much worse here in the states with your mentality....please believe me.
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Indeed. The criminals and violent citizens of this country are far scarier and more threatening than our police could ever be. Never has this been more true than now.

I agree that we need law enforcement reform in this country, but not in the way most people would think. I believe we need to give our police more freedom to use potentially deadly force in situations of violent crimes and the resistance of arrest. Obviously, criminals have not been all that threatened by police for quite some time. If they were, they wouldn’t be committing crimes.

Now that the police are feeling handcuffed themselves, we need to completely reverse that mentality and show people who act like they are above the law that there is zero tolerance. This includes the “peaceful” protestors/rioters that are sacrificing the safety of all races.
 
google -joe biden promises cure for cancer

that was in a campaign speech he gave in iowa...no wonder he is hiding and pelosi doesn't want him to debate....maybe joe will promise to Make America Great Again, lol.
 
Ricky10 said:
Indeed. The criminals and violent citizens of this country are far scarier and more threatening than our police could ever be. Never has this been more true than now.

I agree that we need law enforcement reform in this country, but not in the way most people would think. I believe we need to give our police more freedom to use potentially deadly force in situations of violent crimes and the resistance of arrest. Obviously, criminals have not been all that threatened by police for quite some time. If they were, they wouldn’t be committing crimes.

Now that the police are feeling handcuffed themselves, we need to completely reverse that mentality and show people who act like they are above the law that there is zero tolerance. This includes the “peaceful” protestors/rioters that are sacrificing the safety of all races.
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Crime should have devastating and severe consequences. Criminals should be in fear of their life 24/7.
 
thebigt said:
'police arrest 8 during DC protests, including 5 for allegedly assaulting officers'

really wish our friend from new zealand could have been there to join in with the "protesters'
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He could have told the officers how to do their jobs since he’s such an expert.
 
Ricky10 said:
Indeed. The criminals and violent citizens of this country are far scarier and more threatening than our police could ever be. Never has this been more true than now.

I agree that we need law enforcement reform in this country, but not in the way most people would think. I believe we need to give our police more freedom to use potentially deadly force in situations of violent crimes and the resistance of arrest. Obviously, criminals have not been all that threatened by police for quite some time. If they were, they wouldn’t be committing crimes.

Now that the police are feeling handcuffed themselves, we need to completely reverse that mentality and show people who act like they are above the law that there is zero tolerance. This includes the “peaceful” protestors/rioters that are sacrificing the safety of all races.
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crime is going to go up-way up...this is bad in the short run, but good for long term if it gets trump re-elected.

democrats are retarded to have supported a war on cops-they see it now, but it's too late. i see even suburban white women who voted against trump putting their safety above hate for trump.
 
dixonk said:
Crime should have devastating and severe consequences. Criminals should be in fear of their life 24/7.
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Exactly.

There‘s an abundance of repeat criminals out there. If there isn’t an element of fear behind the enforcement of law- then it‘s of little value. Unfortunately, it’s just the way it is. Many of these people have no value for their own life, yet make it their sole mission to devastate the lives of others.
 
BOSSMAN said:
Well i just watched it for about 4 minutes, 4 minutes I will never get back!! All I heard was threats to fellow Americans, and our government . I'm sure MLK wouldn't want this type of march in his remembrance.
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i'm shocked. too bad @Jiigzz wasn't there to defuse the situation.
 
Ricky10 said:
Exactly.

There‘s an abundance of repeat criminals out there. If there isn’t an element of fear behind the enforcement of law- then it‘s of little value. Unfortunately, it’s just the way it is. Many of these people have no value for their own life, yet make it their sole mission to devastate the lives of others.
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it's amazing how much risk police take in arresting criminals, then they are out on bail an hour later, and then prosecutors refuse to prosecute. i blame democrats 100%.
 
You guys are funny, and it isn't like Jiggzz needs me defending him, but I do feel like saying he was a bad cop is a bit over the line. He served his people and I would never attack anyone's honest service to others. He is also coming from a place of good intentions, and it is fine to disagree - I do somewhat - but he is generally a reasonable adversary and while he is taking it pretty well, I just wanted to say that.

He can be pretty irritating though :)
 
damn, democrats are running scared....they are even saying rioting, looting and burning of cities is bad....who would have thunk it?
 
Ricky10 said:
Indeed. The criminals and violent citizens of this country are far scarier and more threatening than our police could ever be. Never has this been more true than now.

I agree that we need law enforcement reform in this country, but not in the way most people would think. I believe we need to give our police more freedom to use potentially deadly force in situations of violent crimes and the resistance of arrest. Obviously, criminals have not been all that threatened by police for quite some time. If they were, they wouldn’t be committing crimes.

Now that the police are feeling handcuffed themselves, we need to completely reverse that mentality and show people who act like they are above the law that there is zero tolerance. This includes the “peaceful” protestors/rioters that are sacrificing the safety of all races.
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What the actual F lol. Deadly force when resisting arrest?

Yikes man, that's a scary mentality you got there.
 
dixonk said:
Crime should have devastating and severe consequences. Criminals should be in fear of their life 24/7.
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You guys have actual messed up mentalities on the value of a life.

Maybe we should shoot all drunkards and drug addicts while we at it
 
thebigt said:
i'm shocked. too bad @Jiigzz wasn't there to defuse the situation.
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You guys are far too emotional about this lol.

I'd 100% bet if any of you applied to be a cop here you wouldnt get passed the psyche evaluation.

Youd probably get in with flying colors in the US though. Just answer every question about how youd deal with crime with "I'd shoot them" and they'll promote you to captain right there and then
 
HIT4ME said:
You guys are funny, and it isn't like Jiggzz needs me defending him, but I do feel like saying he was a bad cop is a bit over the line. He served his people and I would never attack anyone's honest service to others. He is also coming from a place of good intentions, and it is fine to disagree - I do somewhat - but he is generally a reasonable adversary and while he is taking it pretty well, I just wanted to say that.

He can be pretty irritating though :)
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i like @Jiigzz and he is taking it well...but he is wrong to compare police work in NZ to policing here.

and i don't think he even understands what BLM represents and stands for---i challenged him to look into BLM before saying he would protest with them-i hope he does this, i think he will be a little surprised....but mostly i am totally blown away that someone as smart as he is would automatically stand with a radical extreme group like BLM before knowing just what they are...
 
Jiigzz said:
You guys have actual messed up mentalities on the value of a life.


hey, i am the one who opposes capital punishment so don't go there. but if a cop feels threatened i have no problem with deadly force-none...!!!!
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thebigt said:
i like @Jiigzz and he is taking it well...but he is wrong to compare police work in NZ to policing here.

and i don't think he even understands what BLM represents and stands for---i challenged him to look into BLM before saying he would protest with them-i hope he does this, i think he will be a little surprised....but mostly i am totally blown away that someone as smart as he is would automatically stand with a radical extreme group like BLM before knowing just what they are...
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BLM is a decentralized movement. You can stand with its principles while condoning the violence.

In the same vane, I would stand with Hong Kong protesters.

The right to protest is important. Not all the protests are protests, I've already said this 100x ITT.
 
Neither do I, if it is a genuine fear. I've said that 100x already as well.

But people ITT are saying criminals should fear for their lives 24/7. That's all crime. Fraud, embezzlement, theft, etc regardless of whether it is even violent.

Trump has obstructed witnesses which is a crime. Should he fear being shot by a cop? He obtained evidence via Russians, which is conspiracy. That's a crime. If we shooting criminals, start at the top.
 
Jiigzz said:
BLM is a decentralized movement. You can stand with its principles while condoning the violence.

In the same vane, I would stand with Hong Kong protesters.

The right to protest is important. Not all the protests are protests, I've already said this 100x ITT.
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what protests? all i see are mobs and riots, looting and burning...there is a big rally in washington today---want to bet it tr-urns into a riot?

lets make a bet---if there is no riot in washington tonight i will not post in this thread for 3 days....if there is a riot in washington tonight you won't post in this thread for 3 days...

@Jiigzz want to bet?
 
thebigt said:
what protests? all i see are mobs and riots, looting and burning...there is a big rally in washington today---want to bet it tr-urns into a riot?

lets make a bet---if there is no riot in washington tonight i will not post in this thread for 3 days....if there is a riot in washington tonight you won't post in this thread for 3 days...

@Jiigzz want to bet?
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I've never said theres never been any riots or looting, only that the right to protest should be protected.

People were protesting anti 5g here, I dont agree with it but it's their right.
 
dixonk said:
Drunk drivers? Absolutely. Drug addicts...they don’t like their life anyway.
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should be protesting doctors for responsibility for all the drug addicts!!!

they are responsible for way more deaths from overdose than cops are responsible for.
 
Jiigzz said:
What the actual F lol. Deadly force when resisting arrest?

Yikes man, that's a scary mentality you got there.
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I’m not saying it should happen every time, but people who resist arrest should know that it‘s a reasonable possibility as things escalate. It shouldn’t be scrutinized to the level it has been or turned into a racial injustice for no apparent reason.
 
Jiigzz said:
I've never said theres never been any riots or looting, only that the right to protest should be protected.

People were protesting anti 5g here, I dont agree with it but it's their right.
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you don't get it---THERE ARE NO PROTESTS. it's all riots and looting and burning.

why the hell can't you understand this---peaceful protests haven't existed for some time now, geez!!!
 
Ricky10 said:
I’m not saying it should happen every time, but people who resist arrest should know that it‘s a reasonable possibility as things escalate. It shouldn’t be scrutinized to the level it has been or turned into a racial injustice for no apparent reason.
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maybe black leaders should stop telling people to resist the police?
 
Ricky10 said:
I’m not saying it should happen every time, but people who resist arrest should know that it‘s a reasonable possibility as things escalate. It shouldn’t be scrutinized to the level it has been or turned into a racial injustice for no apparent reason.
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Yeah I agree that it is constantly being reduced to Black vs White.

I'm not arguing it is racism.
 
thebigt said:
maybe black leaders should stop telling people to resist the police?
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I didn’t even know that was happening, but yes....they probably should!

I think there are several layers to the protests/riots etc which I will just summarize as this:

1) BLM protestors that put a sign on their front lawn and maybe head down to their local town or city hall to hold a sign for a few hours on 1 or 2 occasions. They really have no idea what they are even doing or what impact it may have = peaceful protests.

2) People who repetitively attend local protests and try to impose themselves and their beliefs on others. Sometimes in a bullying/threatening fashion.

3) People who take things to the extreme and incite violence, vandalism, looting, arson etc..

Even category 1 encourages the continuation and keeps the embers burning for the people in category 2 and 3. That’s why it is all destructive and needs to be put to an end for the greater good of everyone.
 
Ricky10 said:
I didn’t even know that was happening, but yes....they probably should!

I think there are several layers to the protests/riots etc which I will just summarize as this:

1) BLM protestors that put a sign on their front lawn and maybe head down to their local town or city hall to hold a sign for a few hours on 1 or 2 occasions. They really have no idea what they are even doing or what impact it may have = peaceful protests.

2) People who repetitively attend local protests and try to impose themselves and their beliefs on others. Sometimes in a bullying/threatening fashion.

3) People who take things to the extreme and incite violence, vandalism, looting, arson etc..

Even category 1 encourages the continuation and keeps the embers burning for the people in category 2 and 3. That’s why it is all destructive and needs to be put to an end for the greater good of everyone.
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you put my thought into words very well, thank you!!!
 
thebigt said:
you don't get it---THERE ARE NO PROTESTS. it's all riots and looting and burning.

why the hell can't you understand this---peaceful protests haven't existed for some time now, geez!!!
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They should take a page from Hong Kong's book
 
Jiigzz said:
Yeah I agree that it is constantly being reduced to Black vs White.

I'm not arguing it is racism.
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lol...that is the arguement you have been making from the beginning :p

why else would you be wanting to join in 'protests'?

geez!!!
 
Ricky10 said:
I didn’t even know that was happening, but yes....they probably should!

I think there are several layers to the protests/riots etc which I will just summarize as this:

1) BLM protestors that put a sign on their front lawn and maybe head down to their local town or city hall to hold a sign for a few hours on 1 or 2 occasions. They really have no idea what they are even doing or what impact it may have = peaceful protests.

2) People who repetitively attend local protests and try to impose themselves and their beliefs on others. Sometimes in a bullying/threatening fashion.

3) People who take things to the extreme and incite violence, vandalism, looting, arson etc..

Even category 1 encourages the continuation and keeps the embers burning for the people in category 2 and 3. That’s why it is all destructive and needs to be put to an end for the greater good of everyone.
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This whole thread has been point number 2. Go back a few pages and read how many people insult me.

Applies to both sides.
 
Jiigzz said:
They should take a page from Hong Kong's book
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they should take a page from Martin Luther King's book. MLK preached against violence and was a true believer in peaceful protest.

RFK, or for you youngsters robert f kennedy was in my home town of indianapolis the day MLK's assasination was announced. RFK used the words and teachings of MLK in his speech announcing Kings death---many credit kennedy for preventing the rioting and looting that happened in every large city in the US from happening in indianapolis.
 
Ricky10 said:
I didn’t even know that was happening, but yes....they probably should!
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The BLM leader in Chi-raq basically told Jesse Jackson to shut the fuq and mind his own business.

Minute 1:20 then actual speech and news reports starts shortly after.

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thebigt said:
they should take a page from Martin Luther King's book. MLK preached against violence and was a true believer in peaceful protest.

RFK, or for you youngsters robert f kennedy was in my home town of indianapolis the day MLK's assasination was announced. RFK used the words and teachings of MLK in his speech announcing Kings death---many credit kennedy for preventing the rioting and looting that happened in every large city in the US from happening in indianapolis.
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BLM for doesnt seem to give a krap about MLK, before you know it, you will get persecuted by these people if you wear a MLK shirt in public....sounds crazy but Ive seen alot of crazy lately.
 
Jiigzz said:
This whole thread has been point number 2. Go back a few pages and read how many people insult me.

Applies to both sides.
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the only reason we insult you is to give you AWARENESS of how wrong you are, you do not understand the situation in this country yet pretend you do--you do not!!!
 
thebigt said:
the only reason we insult you is to give you AWARENESS of how wrong you are, you do not understand the situation in this country yet pretend you do--you do not!!!
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I think we can poke for of everybody here time to time, but I think we should all avoid insulting anybody just because they are standing their ground here, but thats just me. Im not perfect, lol but Im trying.
 
ax1 said:
BLM for doesnt seem to give a krap about MLK, before you know it, you will get persecuted by these people if you wear a MLK shirt in public....sounds crazy but Ive seen alot of crazy lately.
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i think i would be persecuted by that thug outfit just for being a old white guy.

but this old white guy is well armed and won't go down without a fight-bet your life on it.

break into my house and find out what a 12 gauge shotgun at close range can do.
 
thebigt said:
i think i would be persecuted by that thug outfit just for being a old white guy.

but this old white guy is well armed and won't go down without a fight-bet your life on it.

break into my house and find out what a 12 gauge shotgun at close range can do.
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Strawberry jam on the walls.
 
Jiigzz said:
This whole thread has been point number 2. Go back a few pages and read how many people insult me.

Applies to both sides.
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I wouldn’t take it personally, I just think people are tired of all the bullshit going on in this country in terms of racial justice and police enforcement matters. It’s a good sign for this country when people voice that they are pro law enforcement.
 
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