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our friend from new zealand says he would be there if he could to join in the mostly peaceful 'protest'.... :unsure:
Well i just watched it for about 4 minutes, 4 minutes I will never get back!! All I heard was threats to fellow Americans, and our government . I'm sure MLK wouldn't want this type of march in his remembrance.
 
Well i just watched it for about 4 minutes, 4 minutes I will never get back!! All I heard was threats to fellow Americans, and our government . I'm sure MLK wouldn't want this type of march in his remembrance.
our friend from new zealand supports these 'protesters' and says he wishes he could join them.
 
I can't enter the US because of covid.

Get it together and then I'll come along and join in the protests whilst supporting the good cops
lol...PLEASE come and join the 'protests'...and be sure to let them know how much you support cops while you are there!!!!


no i wouldn't wish that fate on anyone-i am against the death penalty!!!!


@Jiigzz you have completly no understanding of what is happening in this country-none!!!
 
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If he is excused from participating in the debates, that should be everyone’s final sign that he is not fit to represent our country or hold it’s greatest office.

Pelosi and everyone else knows that the debates will set the stage for Trump to dismantle all the charades of the democrats (as he always does) and confront Biden regarding all of it face to face in real time. For Pelosi to claim that Trump doesn’t have enough dignity to warrant their time is so pitiful.

Also, even if Biden is on top of his game (with mind enhancing drugs), he is still no match for the quick wit of Trump. Pelosi and everyone in this country knows that as well.

We need the debates to happen so that Biden and the dems can be put in their rightful place.
 
The root issue is that it's been happening for literally decades. It's not just about George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, it's about what they represent. People are sick and tired of their fellow humans being shot to death by police and it being swept under the rug. Noone has been held to account for the Breonna Taylor incident.

These latest incidents have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, Police should also have due process but that's what people are protesting against - it just doesnt seem to happen UNTIL the public kick up a fuss about it.

People should be held to account for gross misconduct. That doesnt mean they need to be arrested for murder, but some kind of accountability process.

If you want people to trust the police, give them a reason to trust you. Then people say "well if you just comply you wont die", why are those the only 2 options? Non-compliance should not be a death sentence.

This really shouldnt even be argued. People have a right to life and that right to life should not be taken away without good cause.

It just seems to be such an issue for US cops to reach for the firearm as a defusal tactic. In most countries this is the literal last resort. A video I posted a while back compares US and UK police responding to a knife wielding suspects. The US police killed every single one. The UK police didnt. Why is that so controversial?

The issue is that you are not 100% wrong, but you are not 100% right either. Think about it - the George Floyd issue came out of "nowhere" with all this vitriol about how it was a wrongful death. But even that had to have the full footage withheld long enough to allow people to get upset with edited clips that didn't tell the entire story. Then, while claiming there were all these unjustified shootings they started putting out PR pieces like the Atlanta Wendy's shooting. With 29 shootings last year and claims that white police were killing blacks with impunity, they had a really hard time coming up with a video of any unjustified shootings. It all involved black people doing really stupid things - overdosing on drugs, resisting arrest, taking police officers' weapons, running from police, refusing to comply with commands. If it is so bad, why are so many of the videos showing this?

How about this one?

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A guy with a knife, and the people recording it are even pointing out that he has a knife and won't get on the ground (even the recorders are saying, "Get on the ground"), the recorder points out they are tasing him and he is "doing nothing" - ie. it isn't effective. And the second they kill him the recorders say, "That's so racist" (which they cut out of the news segment). how is that racist? You just told him what he should be doing and knew he had a knife?? And the new interviews, "Why are the police not acting in a fashion to de-escalate the situation?" Um, they were tasing him and he was still resisting and he had a knife.

This isn't about trusting police, do you think they should be trusting someone with a knife with other people around? Maybe they should just let him walk into the convenience store and do whatever he was going to do?

Non-Compliance is should not be a death sentence - most of the time. But if you are wielding a weapon, that changes. Knife, baseball bat, gun, whatever. Someone who has done something illegal and has a weapon is a danger, and if I'm in the area and the police let him stab me because they were willing to let him just do whatever the F he wanted in the hope they could de-escalate, I hope there would be hell to pay.

You are also making a judgement based off a few videos. Police officers do not pull their weapons as a defusal tactic in most situations. If there is a weapon involved, then yes they will. Does your UK data show how many of those people hurt somebody because they weren't taken out? Should a police officer risk getting stabbed by some idiot who won't drop a knife because it is better for him to be stabbed than to shoot the person who is posing the threat to begin with?

I'm not saying every shooting is justified and we agree that misconduct should be punished appropriately. Sometimes, jail should probably be an option. But if I was a cop right now I would probably quit. I don't want to put myself in a situation where I may not go home because I can't defend myself - or could be arrested because I defended myself or a fellow officer, or another citizen.

The problem with society is that we twist reality so that the person causing the issue to begin with has somehow become the victim as a consequence of their actions.

I am white. I have started legally carrying. I am well aware that if I ever have to use force, the second I see blue lights I put my weapon on the ground and my hands in the air and signal that I am not a threat with everything I can.

We have to appropriately scale for Police force size. US has about 700,000 cops. (65/700,000)*100= 0.009% of total police.

We have approximately 10,000 sworn police staff and have had 1 killed this year, which is (1/10,000)*100 = 0.01%.

And we gave him full honours and mourned him as a country as we should.

The real question is, how many people have been unjustifiably killed by our police?

I can agree - this is the real question. How many have been unjustifiable. And why does the color of the skin matter? Unjustifiable shootings are a problem, regardless of skin color. I'm not talking about mistakes or situations where a cop misread something - I can see that happening and it is tragic - but unjustified shootings. I am against that regardless of skin color. I have a feeling MLK would have agreed 100% with this as well. But BLM does not. They wish to use race as a divide. And, as you can see if you watch some of these videos, it is working. Black people suddenly think it is their duty to stand up and fight back. It is going to get more people killed. It is using black people for their own agenda.


I believe they were threatening to rape the senator’s wife also. Such nice people exercising their rights.

You remind me of a story from when I went to school. My freshman year I went to the University of South Carolina. I had a girlfriend from Greensboro, NC and one weekend I was going to see her at her parents house. I took a bus and had a layover in Charlotte, at 12 AM. Well, I remember like it was yesterday going up the stairs to get on that bus and being a little oblivious and suddenly everyone started yelling. I looked up to see what the uproar was all about and in a second realize, they were ALL yelling at me. People in the back of the bus pointing fingers and yelling at me. "This is a black bus." "Get the F off our bus."

I looked at the front 4 seats and saw some older black people who were keeping quiet and calm, and an empty seat right next to them and I slid in and sat down and waited until they all calmed down and tried to just ignore it.

Sometimes I think about that and wonder, what if that was every day of my life? I can't imagine.
 
If he is excused from participating in the debates, that should be everyone’s final sign that he is not fit to represent our country or hold it’s greatest office.

Pelosi and everyone else knows that the debates will set the stage for Trump to dismantle all the charades of the democrats (as he always does) and confront Biden regarding all of it face to face in real time. For Pelosi to claim that Trump doesn’t have enough dignity to warrant their time is so pitiful.

Also, even if Biden is on top of his game (with mind enhancing drugs), he is still no match for the quick wit of Trump. Pelosi and everyone in this country knows that as well.

We need the debates to happen so that Biden and the dems can be put in their rightful place.

If he does make it, Id look inside his ears carefully unless they make a deal with the networks to keep the stuffed side away from cameras, which should be opposite side of Dump's.
 
If he is excused from participating in the debates, that should be everyone’s final sign that he is not fit to represent our country or hold it’s greatest office.

Pelosi and everyone else knows that the debates will set the stage for Trump to dismantle all the charades of the democrats (as he always does) and confront Biden regarding all of it face to face in real time. For Pelosi to claim that Trump doesn’t have enough dignity to warrant their time is so pitiful.

Also, even if Biden is on top of his game (with mind enhancing drugs), he is still no match for the quick wit of Trump. Pelosi and everyone in this country knows that as well.

We need the debates to happen so that Biden and the dems can be put in their rightful place.

Finally something Pelosi and I agree on. Biden SHOULD NOT debate Trump. He will get SLAUGHTERED.

And you would THINK that it would show that he is not fit for office if he refuses, just like you would think his inability to form a complete sentence, grasp the meaning of racism, etc. would show that - but none of that matters to liberals. He could get on that stage and say the dumbest, most nonsensical things ever said on any stage, and democrats would be talking the next day about how Biden mopped the floor with him. They are blind. If they weren't, Biden wouldn't be running for president and Pelosi would be OUT.

How corrupt is Pelosi? When people were suffering and the GOP was trying to get a stimulus deal done but wouldn't give her what SHE unrealistically demanded, she let everyone go on vacation. But that vacation was cut short suddenly the second she thought her plan to gain power might be in jeopardy with the USPS situation - she cut vacation short and got that deal done post haste. I don't know how people don't see THAT as a sign of what a piece of scum she is.

And as far as the debates with Trump? I think her words were, "I wouldn't legitimize" - which just shows what she REALLY thinks of the American people. Trump is THE PRESIDENT. It IS LEGITIMATE. He was voted in. She doesn't care. In her eyes he isn't legitimate. It doesn't matter that it was what the people voted for. All that matters is what she wants.

Trump may be a narcissist - but Pelosi is 100% without a doubt a narcissist as well. She is evil.
 
You can truly tell these “protestors” are from the don’t spank your child generation.
I'd wager they're probably from the "Number of Days since I was last harassed by Police" generation.
 
The issue is that you are not 100% wrong, but you are not 100% right either. Think about it - the George Floyd issue came out of "nowhere" with all this vitriol about how it was a wrongful death. But even that had to have the full footage withheld long enough to allow people to get upset with edited clips that didn't tell the entire story. Then, while claiming there were all these unjustified shootings they started putting out PR pieces like the Atlanta Wendy's shooting. With 29 shootings last year and claims that white police were killing blacks with impunity, they had a really hard time coming up with a video of any unjustified shootings. It all involved black people doing really stupid things - overdosing on drugs, resisting arrest, taking police officers' weapons, running from police, refusing to comply with commands. If it is so bad, why are so many of the videos showing this?

How about this one?

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A guy with a knife, and the people recording it are even pointing out that he has a knife and won't get on the ground (even the recorders are saying, "Get on the ground"), the recorder points out they are tasing him and he is "doing nothing" - ie. it isn't effective. And the second they kill him the recorders say, "That's so racist" (which they cut out of the news segment). how is that racist? You just told him what he should be doing and knew he had a knife?? And the new interviews, "Why are the police not acting in a fashion to de-escalate the situation?" Um, they were tasing him and he was still resisting and he had a knife.

This isn't about trusting police, do you think they should be trusting someone with a knife with other people around? Maybe they should just let him walk into the convenience store and do whatever he was going to do?

Non-Compliance is should not be a death sentence - most of the time. But if you are wielding a weapon, that changes. Knife, baseball bat, gun, whatever. Someone who has done something illegal and has a weapon is a danger, and if I'm in the area and the police let him stab me because they were willing to let him just do whatever the F he wanted in the hope they could de-escalate, I hope there would be hell to pay.

You are also making a judgement based off a few videos. Police officers do not pull their weapons as a defusal tactic in most situations. If there is a weapon involved, then yes they will. Does your UK data show how many of those people hurt somebody because they weren't taken out? Should a police officer risk getting stabbed by some idiot who won't drop a knife because it is better for him to be stabbed than to shoot the person who is posing the threat to begin with?

I'm not saying every shooting is justified and we agree that misconduct should be punished appropriately. Sometimes, jail should probably be an option. But if I was a cop right now I would probably quit. I don't want to put myself in a situation where I may not go home because I can't defend myself - or could be arrested because I defended myself or a fellow officer, or another citizen.

The problem with society is that we twist reality so that the person causing the issue to begin with has somehow become the victim as a consequence of their actions.

I am white. I have started legally carrying. I am well aware that if I ever have to use force, the second I see blue lights I put my weapon on the ground and my hands in the air and signal that I am not a threat with everything I can.



I can agree - this is the real question. How many have been unjustifiable. And why does the color of the skin matter? Unjustifiable shootings are a problem, regardless of skin color. I'm not talking about mistakes or situations where a cop misread something - I can see that happening and it is tragic - but unjustified shootings. I am against that regardless of skin color. I have a feeling MLK would have agreed 100% with this as well. But BLM does not. They wish to use race as a divide. And, as you can see if you watch some of these videos, it is working. Black people suddenly think it is their duty to stand up and fight back. It is going to get more people killed. It is using black people for their own agenda.




You remind me of a story from when I went to school. My freshman year I went to the University of South Carolina. I had a girlfriend from Greensboro, NC and one weekend I was going to see her at her parents house. I took a bus and had a layover in Charlotte, at 12 AM. Well, I remember like it was yesterday going up the stairs to get on that bus and being a little oblivious and suddenly everyone started yelling. I looked up to see what the uproar was all about and in a second realize, they were ALL yelling at me. People in the back of the bus pointing fingers and yelling at me. "This is a black bus." "Get the F off our bus."

I looked at the front 4 seats and saw some older black people who were keeping quiet and calm, and an empty seat right next to them and I slid in and sat down and waited until they all calmed down and tried to just ignore it.

Sometimes I think about that and wonder, what if that was every day of my life? I can't imagine.
Did you watch the video that compares UK police dealing with knife wielders vs how US police deal with them?

One is able to use other tactics to lead to arrest, the other uses that as justification for shooting 20 times. I'll let you use your imagination to determine which is which.

Dont you see an issue with that? You guys claim "well it was lawful use of force", and yeah it could be, but it's funny how us cops take any form of resistance as an excuse to execute someone. But not only that, you have people ACTIVELy defending it, saying they were warned. The penalty for non-compliance is not death. Why is that so hard to understand?

I've had people present knives, machetes and things at me and guess how many I killed? None.
 
Did you watch the video that compares UK police dealing with knife wielders vs how US police deal with them?

One is able to use other tactics to lead to arrest, the other uses that as justification for shooting 20 times. I'll let you use your imagination to determine which is which.

Dont you see an issue with that? You guys claim "well it was lawful use of force", and yeah it could be, but it's funny how us cops take any form of resistance as an excuse to execute someone. But not only that, you have people ACTIVELy defending it, saying they were warned. The penalty for non-compliance is not death. Why is that so hard to understand?

I've had people present knives, machetes and things at me and guess how many I killed? None.
I'm glad you retired before you got hurt....are you familiar with The Tueller Drill?...you need to do some reading on force science before you start justifying the bad tactics you use to deploy.

Studies have shown a suspect wielding a knife can close a 21 foot distance (this has since been shortened) before an officer could deploy his firearm.

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule" - Weapons - POLICE Magazine
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If he does make it, Id look inside his ears carefully unless they make a deal with the networks to keep the stuffed side away from cameras, which should be opposite side of Dump's.

Yeah, even if he ends up being prompted- I’m not confident he could multitask that kind of situation effectively. Also, since any argument from the democrats is based on lies, their own opinions, or ideals that ironically would only be feasible if Trump is reelected- I don’t think it would matter so much.

Finally something Pelosi and I agree on. Biden SHOULD NOT debate Trump. He will get SLAUGHTERED.

And you would THINK that it would show that he is not fit for office if he refuses, just like you would think his inability to form a complete sentence, grasp the meaning of racism, etc. would show that - but none of that matters to liberals. He could get on that stage and say the dumbest, most nonsensical things ever said on any stage, and democrats would be talking the next day about how Biden mopped the floor with him. They are blind. If they weren't, Biden wouldn't be running for president and Pelosi would be OUT.

How corrupt is Pelosi? When people were suffering and the GOP was trying to get a stimulus deal done but wouldn't give her what SHE unrealistically demanded, she let everyone go on vacation. But that vacation was cut short suddenly the second she thought her plan to gain power might be in jeopardy with the USPS situation - she cut vacation short and got that deal done post haste. I don't know how people don't see THAT as a sign of what a piece of scum she is.

And as far as the debates with Trump? I think her words were, "I wouldn't legitimize" - which just shows what she REALLY thinks of the American people. Trump is THE PRESIDENT. It IS LEGITIMATE. He was voted in. She doesn't care. In her eyes he isn't legitimate. It doesn't matter that it was what the people voted for. All that matters is what she wants.

Trump may be a narcissist - but Pelosi is 100% without a doubt a narcissist as well. She is evil.
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Yes, some people are obviously blind to the truth- even when it’s plain as day in front of their face. Liberals will be liberals and just look the other way and not acknowledge it. Regardless, the dems know that the debates could only be a detriment to their campaign.

Scary to think that Biden‘s mental abilities are universally viewed as being inadequate for the debates, yet some people in this nation think we can throw him into conversations/negotiations with powerful world leaders in the event he was to be elected?

I also think Pelosi is a dirtbag, but I also think the clear reason she doesn’t like Trump is because he is a threat to everything she stands for/wants. Otherwise, she just disagrees with him because that’s what she wants to do. Every time she says something my eye twitches a little bit, and then I get really pissed!
 
I recommend everyone in this thread read the above article I posted on the "Tueller Drill". Great knowledge for everyone to have.
 
How is protesting being an extremist?
you are a smart guy, but only a moron supports a organization without investigating what they stand for...i suggest you look into BLM a little closer before you support them.

they have a website, go to it and see...also check into the leaders of blm-they have facebook pages.

all is not what it appears to be...just sayin
 
I'm glad you retired before you got hurt....are you familiar with The Tueller Rule?...you need to do some reading on force science before you start justifying the bad tactics you use to deploy.

Studies have shown a suspect wielding a knife can close a 21 foot distance (this has since been shortened) before an officer could deploy his firearm.

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule" - Weapons - POLICE Magazine
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LOL just because I know how to use a taser doesnt make it a bad tactic. I just dont think I need to shoot someone everytime I get a little bit threatened.
 
If he does make it, Id look inside his ears carefully unless they make a deal with the networks to keep the stuffed side away from cameras, which should be opposite side of Dump's.
obama could have hid heads of cabbage in his ears...who's to say he didn't?
 
LOL just because I know how to use a taser doesnt make it a bad tactic. I just dont think I need to shoot someone everytime I get a little bit threatened.
you really don't have a clue what it's like to be a cop in THIS country.
 
LOL just because I know how to use a taser doesnt make it a bad tactic. I just dont think I need to shoot someone everytime I get a little bit threatened.

A knife wielding suspect is "a little bit threatened"..?..LOL dude...im seriously glad you are no longer a cop.
 
I'm glad you retired before you got hurt....are you familiar with The Tueller Drill?...you need to do some reading on force science before you start justifying the bad tactics you use to deploy.

Studies have shown a suspect wielding a knife can close a 21 foot distance (this has since been shortened) before an officer could deploy his firearm.

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule" - Weapons - POLICE Magazine
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Did you even read it yourself?

This is a quote: The truth is that the 21-Foot Rule should not be considered to be an absolute rule at all because there are too many variables involved at this point to call it a "rule."

Funny that.
 
Did you even read it yourself?

This is a quote: The truth is that the 21-Foot Rule should not be considered to be an absolute rule at all because there are too many variables involved at this point to call it a "rule."

Funny that.
Of course I read it...there are no absolutes right? You have said that many times lol...if i have a dude standing with a knife in front of me in a fighting stance and he starts walking towards me...im shooting.

Tasers have been proven to be unreliable..time and time again..
 
A knife wielding suspect is "a little bit threatened"..?..LOL dude...im seriously glad you are no longer a cop.
I'm glad you've never been one. You're far to emotionally unstable to understand 'proportionate levels of force'
 
A knife wielding suspect is "a little bit threatened"....LOL dude...im seriously glad you are no longer a cop.

1 cop killed for entire year in HIS country...i can remember a time in THIS country when criminals knew better than to mess with a cop.....i think NZ is living in a different world than we are.
 
I'm glad you've never been one. You're far to emotionally unstable to understand 'proportionate levels of force'
and you are to naive to survive being a cop in THIS country-seriously!!!
 
1 cop killed for entire year in HIS country...i can remember a time in THIS country when criminals knew better than to mess with a cop.....i think NZ is living in a different world than we are.
Treat people like humans, they behave like humans. Only a small % have any intention of actually harming a cop, and they are always swiftly dealt with.

You guys are living in a fantasy world where you think your criminals are the worst the planet has to offer.
 
1 cop killed for entire year in HIS country...i can remember a time in THIS country when criminals knew better than to mess with a cop.....i think NZ is living in a different world than we are.
Seriously...this guy scares me...imagine him trying to police the ghettos of los angeles or chicago?
 
May not be your reality, but it is for a lot of others.

It would be if my only view of life on US streets is from the media.

What we are witnessing is the result of the breakdown of family, single mothers and grandparents raising children with no discipline, no father figures, no male role models.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is targeting people because of the pigment of their skin. That’s absurd. They are targeting hoodlums, thugs, and criminals. Stop turning criminals into victims. If they would pull their pants up, get a job, pay their bills, support their children, and stop breaking laws, they wouldn’t have any interaction with law enforcement.
 
Treat people like humans, they behave like humans. Only a small % have any intention of actually harming a cop, and they are always swiftly dealt with.

You guys are living in a fantasy world where you think your criminals are the worst the planet has to offer.
name another industrialized country were 65 cops are killed in line of duty in 6 months?


i'll wait.
 
and you are to naive to survive being a cop in THIS country-seriously!!!
He probably thinks the cops should shoot the knife out of the bad guys hand LOL
 
and you are to naive to survive being a cop in THIS country-seriously!!!
"Many officers resort to using firearms if they're not comfortable apprehending a suspect with physical force first, Stoughton said. In circumstances where officers don't know whether a suspect is armed, an officer's lack of confidence could cause them to fatally shoot an unarmed person"


"Officers are trained in use of force more than almost any other skill, Stoughton said. But they often don't receive as much training in physical apprehension or "empty hand techniques" that could prevent a loss of life"
 
It would be if my only view of life on US streets is from the media.

What we are witnessing is the result of the breakdown of family, single mothers and grandparents raising children with no discipline, no father figures, no male role models.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is targeting people because of the pigment of their skin. That’s absurd. They are targeting hoodlums, thugs, and criminals. Stop turning criminals into victims. If they would pull their pants up, get a job, pay their bills, support their children, and stop breaking laws, they wouldn’t have any interaction with law enforcement.
Truth!!!
 
"Many officers resort to using firearms if they're not comfortable apprehending a suspect with physical force first, Stoughton said. In circumstances where officers don't know whether a suspect is armed, an officer's lack of confidence could cause them to fatally shoot an unarmed person"


"Officers are trained in use of force more than almost any other skill, Stoughton said. But they often don't receive as much training in physical apprehension or "empty hand techniques" that could prevent a loss of life"
you so funny....
 
Seriously...this guy scares me...imagine him trying to police the ghettos of los angeles or chicago?
Did you re-read the article you failed to read?
 
It would be if my only view of life on US streets is from the media.

What we are witnessing is the result of the breakdown of family, single mothers and grandparents raising children with no discipline, no father figures, no male role models.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is targeting people because of the pigment of their skin. That’s absurd. They are targeting hoodlums, thugs, and criminals. Stop turning criminals into victims. If they would pull their pants up, get a job, pay their bills, support their children, and stop breaking laws, they wouldn’t have any interaction with law enforcement.
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He probably thinks the cops should shoot the knife out of the bad guys hand LOL
No I dont. Watch the video i posted and read your own article
 
"If you are not willing to receive a few knife wounds in the name of avoiding the use of deadly force; you're a mentally weak cop" -Jiiggz
 
"If you are not willing to receive a few knife wounds in the name of avoiding the use of deadly force; you're a mentally weak cop" -Jiiggz
Never been wounded. Not a real quote. You can do better. Read the article you posted and told me to read. I bet you stopped at the headline and thought it agreed with you.
 
Never been wounded. Not a real quote. You can do better. Read the article you posted and told me to read. I bet you stopped at the headline and thought it agreed with you.
You would have been wounded and perhaps much worse here in the states with your mentality....please believe me.
 
still waiting @Jiigzz
Scaled for population, or are we ignoring that again?

Remember: you cant claim 1 life = 1 life in this context and this context only. If it matters for this argument, it will matter for all arguments.
 
keith nelson has been executed...time of death was 4:32pm.

nelson was convicted of the kidnapping, rape and murder of a 10 year old girl who was rollerblading in front of her home in kansas city, kansas.
 
Scaled for population, or are we ignoring that again?

Remember: you cant claim 1 life = 1 life in this context and this context only. If it matters for this argument, it will matter for all arguments.
i will take that as a no, there are no other industrialized nations who kill cops as much as here....ok, next!!!

how about we try cops being injured in line of duty-how many in NZ?
 
Scaled for population, or are we ignoring that again?

Remember: you cant claim 1 life = 1 life in this context and this context only. If it matters for this argument, it will matter for all arguments.

You should have known better than to try and bring statistics into this...
 
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