Donald Trump running for president

manifesto said:
I make $46/hr and have a hard time sometimes in CA lol
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Do you have electricity?

I heard alot of people have had their power shut off because "greeny" Cali cant produce enough and the Governor told people with blackouts tuff shyt deal with it. Is that true?
 
dixonk said:
Dems will go with any argument they can. Remember billionaires are bad. Everyone should be equal regardless of work ethic and risk.
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What about hundred millionares who have never had a job in their life that wasn't paid for with tax dollars?
 
nostrum420 said:
OK, bro. Maybe someone who doesn't bankrupt 3 casinos??? Being derisive doesn't make your case any better, btw. 🙈🙈🙈
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Ok, having thought some more, sorry if I am offending you. Don't intend to disrespect YOU, but I have no respect for the argument.
 
HIT4ME said:
Being derisive doesn't make the case better. Nor does it make it any worse. Your case is utterly stupid, and indefensible. I didn't put you in that corner.

So, Ford is a bad business man for going bankrupt?

Bezos is a bad businessman because he had connections? Most people would see that as an important part of being a good businessman.

Now, being corrupt is a different argument with a different set of criteria, which we could debate.

But if you think most good businessmen are good because they lack failures, you are just foolish. And you are ignoring a bunch of wins and only focusing on failures.

I would place a high value in someone who has had big failures and was persistent and got some wins too. I thought the argument is always how Trump had everything handed to him, now he lost everything and that is bad. Yet, here he is again. A billionaire. Was it handed to him twice?

Being a good businessman, like being a good leader or athlete or musician or anything- isn't something you are born with. You learn and grow into it - through failure. Unless you value being lucky over being persistent, but then you are showing your true values and beliefs in equality.

If you are going to bash someone just because you have an unfounded hatred, at least pick a side and be consistent and show some logical thought. Not being derisive, said it from the beginning, the Trump is a bad businessman because he had failures argument is 100% moronic.
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Fact is usually winners and people of success lose more far more than losers ever dream of losing. That goes with both business and sports.
 
HIT4ME said:
What about hundred millionares who have never had a job in their life that wasn't paid for with tax dollars?
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Democrat: rich white people, convincing poor people that rich people are the source of all their problems, and if you just vote for them they can make all their problems go away.

Then the poor people actually think the rich people are going to pay for it all
 
nostrum420 said:
Wouldn't you want it to be a *good* businessman?

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There is nothing wrong with taking risks and losing money and using the system that was given to you. The fact is he is a billionare today and holds the most powerful puppet position on the globe.
 
HIT4ME said:
First off, the notifications on this site have become horrible. Useless. I checked in and was reading new posts to realize I was 9 pages back!
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I noticed if you miss one notification and dont open to refresh the system and let it know you visited the thread, the whole system stops sending you notifications, until you visit the thread again.
 
ax1 said:
Fact is usually winners and people of success lose more far more than losers ever dream of losing. That goes with both business and sports.
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Yes, exactly. Most people get into business, don't know what they are doing, take that first big loss and then quit trying and move into a salaried position. Some people get super lucky. Very few, and these people often don't realize they didn't learn a thing, they just got lucky.

Losses early on prepare us.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, exactly. Most people get into business, don't know what they are doing, take that first big loss and then quit trying and move into a salaried position. Some people get super lucky. Very few, and these people often don't realize they didn't learn a thing, they just got lucky.

Losses early on prepare us.
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Business failure is still around the 87% mark isn’t it?
 
HIT4ME said:
Being derisive doesn't make the case better. Nor does it make it any worse. Your case is utterly stupid, and indefensible. I didn't put you in that corner.

So, Ford is a bad business man for going bankrupt?

Bezos is a bad businessman because he had connections? Most people would see that as an important part of being a good businessman.

Now, being corrupt is a different argument with a different set of criteria, which we could debate.

But if you think most good businessmen are good because they lack failures, you are just foolish. And you are ignoring a bunch of wins and only focusing on failures.

I would place a high value in someone who has had big failures and was persistent and got some wins too. I thought the argument is always how Trump had everything handed to him, now he lost everything and that is bad. Yet, here he is again. A billionaire. Was it handed to him twice?

Being a good businessman, like being a good leader or athlete or musician or anything- isn't something you are born with. You learn and grow into it - through failure. Unless you value being lucky over being persistent, but then you are showing your true values and beliefs in equality.

If you are going to bash someone just because you have an unfounded hatred, at least pick a side and be consistent and show some logical thought. Not being derisive, said it from the beginning, the Trump is a bad businessman because he had failures argument is 100% moronic.
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I think ignoring all of his glaring failures and squandering of inherited wealth is 100% moronic.
 
HIT4ME said:
Again, which argument are you sticking with? It was all handed to him and that is why he is rich?

Or it was handed to him and he lost it all?

Because...the second argument kind of suggests he learned and grew and is now rich on his lessons....
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He was handed so much that he could squander and blunder his way through life and still have enough name recognition to get shady "loans."
 
nostrum420 said:
Yeah Bezos is a corrupt mediocre businessman who happened to have a **** ton of connections in finance. He also intended to lose that money in the process of undercutting mom and pop shops out of business. Trump just blundered it away.
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One smart move Bezos did was raise his own minimum wage to $15.

But if you love little Mom and Pop shops, government should dictate how much they should pay people, right?
 
ax1 said:
There is nothing wrong with taking risks and losing money and using the system that was given to you. The fact is he is a billionare today and holds the most powerful puppet position on the globe.
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The house always wins... unless it's Trump's house.
 
ax1 said:
One smart move Bezos did was raise his own minimum wage to $15.

But if you love little Mom and Pop shops, government should dictate how much they should pay people, right?
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There should be a floor. Bezos also took away stock options like 2 days after he gave the raises.
 
nostrum420 said:
I think ignoring all of his glaring failures and squandering of inherited wealth is 100% moronic.
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Who is ignoring anything? What is wrong with failure? I embrace failure. Only sheep fear it.

If you want to say he squandered his fortune, fine. Then you can't really say he isn't a good businessman today. You can't start with nothing and then end up with billions, and be a horrible businessman.

But amongst those failures are a lot of successes. A hugely popular TV show. Hotels and resorts, high rise offices, central park landmarks. A presidency.

He takes big swings. It isn't about batting 1.000. Even the best hitters are under 0.350.

Do you look at Ty Cob and say, "Geez. He missed 65% of the time!".

Michael Jordan was once asked what he does when he is having a bad shooting night. His reply was, I get up more shots.

Winners fail.
 
nostrum420 said:
He was handed so much that he could squander and blunder his way through life and still have enough name recognition to get shady "loans."
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Shyt, besides the big government politics and parts of his personality I’d love to be in Dump’s position.
 
dixonk said:
Business failure is still around the 87% mark isn’t it?
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Most businesses fail within 2 years of inception. Those are brutal years. Most of those people never try again.

nostrum420 said:
He was handed so much that he could squander and blunder his way through life and still have enough name recognition to get shady "loans."
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Ok, so who is a better man?

The man who is handed a bunch of money and does nothing with it and just squander his way through life living on the money he never earned.

Or the man who takes what he was given, risks it all trying to accomplish more, loses it and then takes what he learned from those loses and builds more?
 
Also, what you see as a shady loan I guarantee is clouded by your hatred of Trump. It is very difficult to raise millions of dollars and get debt in those ranges. The people making those loans have to answer to superiors who answer to investors. Trust me, they don't make loans without dotting their i's and crossing their t's and as you say, the house always wins. They may take risks, but they are always calculated and collateralized.

On the other hand, it is really easy to get a loan for near 100% on a house I cannot afford.
 
HIT4ME said:
The man who is handed a bunch of money and does nothing with it and just squander his way through life living on the money he never earned.

Or the man who takes what he was given, risks it all trying to accomplish more, loses it and then takes what he learned from those loses and builds more?
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Most people who are handed a bunch of money are either broke or in serious debt within a few years.
 
HIT4ME said:
Who is ignoring anything? What is wrong with failure? I embrace failure. Only sheep fear it.

If you want to say he squandered his fortune, fine. Then you can't really say he isn't a good businessman today. You can't start with nothing and then end up with billions, and be a horrible businessman.

But amongst those failures are a lot of successes. A hugely popular TV show. Hotels and resorts, high rise offices, central park landmarks. A presidency.

He takes big swings. It isn't about batting 1.000. Even the best hitters are under 0.350.

Do you look at Ty Cob and say, "Geez. He missed 65% of the time!".

Michael Jordan was once asked what he does when he is having a bad shooting night. His reply was, I get up more shots.

Winners fail.
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They don't typically set the record for losing the most money, though. The only reason he has any money now is because he allows foreigners to launder money through his properties. There's having a few stumbles as you get started and then there's record setting losses. The two are not the same thing.
 
HIT4ME said:
Who is ignoring anything? What is wrong with failure? I embrace failure. Only sheep fear it.

If you want to say he squandered his fortune, fine. Then you can't really say he isn't a good businessman today. You can't start with nothing and then end up with billions, and be a horrible businessman.

But amongst those failures are a lot of successes. A hugely popular TV show. Hotels and resorts, high rise offices, central park landmarks. A presidency.

He takes big swings. It isn't about batting 1.000. Even the best hitters are under 0.350.

Do you look at Ty Cob and say, "Geez. He missed 65% of the time!".

Michael Jordan was once asked what he does when he is having a bad shooting night. His reply was, I get up more shots.

Winners fail.
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They don't typically set the record for losing the most money, though. The only reason he has any money now is because he allows foreigners to launder money through his properties. There's having a few stumbles as you get started and then there's record setting losses. The two are not the same thing.
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Also, what you see as a shady loan I guarantee is clouded by your hatred of Trump. It is very difficult to raise millions of dollars and get debt in those ranges. The people making those loans have to answer to superiors who answer to investors. Trust me, they don't make loans without dotting their i's and crossing their t's and as you say, the house always wins. They may take risks, but they are always calculated and collateralized.

On the other hand, it is really easy to get a loan for near 100% on a house I cannot afford.
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And you're contorting failures of epic proportions into bold risk taking because you like the guy.
 
nostrum420 said:
They don't typically set the record for losing the most money, though. The only reason he has any money now is because he allows foreigners to launder money through his properties. There's having a few stumbles as you get started and then there's record setting losses. The two are not the same thing.
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Let’s hear about the millions/billions you make and the secret to your success.
 
nostrum420 said:
They don't typically set the record for losing the most money, though. The only reason he has any money now is because he allows foreigners to launder money through his properties. There's having a few stumbles as you get started and then there's record setting losses. The two are not the same thing.
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Let’s hear about the millions/billions you make and the secret to your success.
 
dixonk said:
Let’s hear about the millions/billions you make and the secret to your success.
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Right I can't criticize Trump because I don't have his experience in business like how you can't criticize Hillary, Obama or Biden because you don't have their experience in politics. 🤔
 
nostrum420 said:
They don't typically set the record for losing the most money, though. The only reason he has any money now is because he allows foreigners to launder money through his properties. There's having a few stumbles as you get started and then there's record setting losses. The two are not the same thing.


And you're contorting failures of epic proportions into bold risk taking because you like the guy.
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His losses were no different than Bezos. The bigger you play, the bigger the losses. It's a game for big boys.

I don't really "like" Trump. If you want to claim he is narcisstic or egotistical, or an asshole - I can hear you on that. But people will bash him for anything. Nothing he does is right. And your believing he is a bad businessman just highlights that, and the lack of knowledge of how the world works that his opposition has - a lack of knowledge that the democrats exploit.

Do I agree with a lot of what he is trying to do, actually yes. I hate to break it to you, but he's not the screw-up, evil person everyone wants to believe either. Having to reach and cut out wins and only focus on failures is a bit of a reach.

nostrum420 said:
Right I can't criticize Trump because I don't have his experience in business like how you can't criticize Hillary, Obama or Biden because you don't have their experience in politics. 🤔
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I agree that you can criticize Trump. But your criticism is in line with me trying to claim Clinton was a bad politician just because I don't like him and he was impeached and corrupt and had political losses. If I made that claim, it would just be foolish. He was a GREAT politician. He had people eating out of his hands. They loved him. Did I like him? No. Was he corrupt? Beyond belief. Was he a good politician? I can't say otherwise.
 
HIT4ME said:
His losses were no different than Bezos. The bigger you play, the bigger the losses. It's a game for big boys.

I don't really "like" Trump. If you want to claim he is narcisstic or egotistical, or an asshole - I can hear you on that. But people will bash him for anything. Nothing he does is right. And your believing he is a bad businessman just highlights that, and the lack of knowledge of how the world works that his opposition has - a lack of knowledge that the democrats exploit.

Do I agree with a lot of what he is trying to do, actually yes. I hate to break it to you, but he's not the screw-up, evil person everyone wants to believe either. Having to reach and cut out wins and only focus on failures is a bit of a reach.



I agree that you can criticize Trump. But your criticism is in line with me trying to claim Clinton was a bad politician just because I don't like him and he was impeached and corrupt and had political losses. If I made that claim, it would just be foolish. He was a GREAT politician. He had people eating out of his hands. They loved him. Did I like him? No. Was he corrupt? Beyond belief. Was he a good politician? I can't say otherwise.
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Again, it was part of Bezos' grimy plan to lose all that money. Trump needed daddy to come into his casinos and buy chips that he never played to try to keep them afloat and even with that, he bankrupted 3.

I can be even handed enough to praise a few things Trump has done that i think are good. Attempting to draw down troops, trying to get some kind of deal with N. Korea, I even see the value in trying to get a better deal with China even though it negatively affected by business.

The TDS defense is getting a little played out. IMO using that logic for everything is its own derangement. The guy would be broke if it weren't for laundering money for mobsters. He's not a good businessman.
 
nostrum420 said:
Again, it was part of Bezos' grimy plan to lose all that money. Trump needed daddy to come into his casinos and buy chips that he never played to try to keep them afloat and even with that, he bankrupted 3.

I can be even handed enough to praise a few things Trump has done that i think are good. Attempting to draw down troops, trying to get some kind of deal with N. Korea, I even see the value in trying to get a better deal with China even though it negatively affected by business.

The TDS defense is getting a little played out. IMO using that logic for everything is its own derangement. The guy would be broke if it weren't for laundering money for mobsters. He's not a good businessman.
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It doesn’t matter, where is he now and how much is he worth? He is nothing but a success story. What happened then you were still in your diapers LOL!

I love your second paragraph btw.
 
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ax1 said:
It doesn’t matter, where is he now and how much is he worth? He is nothing but a success story. What happened then you were still in your diapers LOL!

I love your second paragraph btw.
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Of course it matters. If you got where you are because you were handed a fortune, that doesn't make you a "good businessman." anymore than me winning a game of 1 on 1 because I got to start the game with 1000 points on the board would make me "good at basketball."
 
nostrum420 said:
Of course it matters. If you got where you are because you were handed a fortune, that doesn't make you a "good businessman." anymore than me winning a game of 1 on 1 because I got to start the game with 1000 points on the board would make me "good at basketball."
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He got where he is because he inherited money (not a fortune) and created a fortune out of it, and on top of it he has something more valuable than money, a world famous name brand empire.

Now, how much did he inherit and how much does he have now???
 
ax1 said:
He got where he is because he inherited money (not a fortune) and created a fortune out of it, and on top of it he has something more valuable than money, a world famous name brand empire.

Now, how much did he inherit and how much does he have now???
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I suppose the definition of a fortune is subjective buuut...

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nostrum420 said:
Of course it matters. If you got where you are because you were handed a fortune, that doesn't make you a "good businessman." anymore than me winning a game of 1 on 1 because I got to start the game with 1000 points on the board would make me "good at basketball."
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This is a fact, Dump has donated more money to charity than
nostrum420 said:
I suppose the definition of a fortune is subjective buuut...

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Ok, so lets just stick with 413 million. How much does he have now and how much value does his name brand have that he built? How much value is his estate?
 
Ricky10 said:
To think that people actually have issues with some of the things Trump says. Talk about hateful!

I am voting against the democrats, but I am also more than happy to endorse Trump. Aside from agreeing with his policies and priorities on what the US could and should be, I like how he isn’t afraid to say what he’s really thinking. It makes him more relatable and human to me than a typical politician that is little more than a prop with a title.

Curious if anyone even watched the DNC? I think 90% of it was based on lies and/or completely relaying misguided opinions and information. I actually used to kind of respect Obama, but I don’t even know how he could believe anything he was saying.

Kamala came off as a likable Indian/Jamaican woman, but it was also based on feelings/opinions with no real sense of reality, or what fixing that altered sense of reality would entail.

Similar theme for Biden, but I think most people were impressed that he was actually able to deliver a speech that meant something. Too bad it was also a distorted view of reality, but at least he was able to paint a picture that likely had some appeal that people could buy into. They are all playing off emotions too much and ruining the credibility they never had to try and achieve that.

They are taking on this Mom and Dad roll of let us listen to you and take care of you and we will make everything better again. Build Back Better! Meanwhile, not taking any accountability for their roll in all the BLM/riots/violent crimes across the nation.
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i think that meme says everything i need to know about kamala harris...i believe she speaks for all democrats-their hate is real!!!

@manifesto i would appreciate it if you would post that meme again, it bears being seen again for those who doubt how much hatred the democrats have for opposing views.
 
ax1 said:
This is a fact, Dump has donated more money to charity than


Ok, so lets just stick with 413 million. How much does he have now and how much value does his name brand have that he built? How much value is his estate?
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How much could anyone build starting with that kind advantage?
 
thebigt said:
i think that meme says everything i need to know about kamala harris...i believe she speaks for all democrats-their hate is real!!!

@manifesto i would appreciate it if you would post that meme again, it bears being seen again for those who doubt how much hatred the democrats have for opposing views.
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Wierd... is there 1 republican that you believe speaks for the entire right?
 
nostrum420 said:
No, its the failures that do that. Starting with an advantage just underscores them.
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It is what it is but to say he is a bad business man is absolutely comical.

Its like all those people those years knocking on Lebron James for being a crappy basketball player, I mean those who are the best just cant win everybody, its impossible.

And I gotta remind you, I want Dump in jail!
 
nostrum420 said:
No, its the failures that do that. Starting with an advantage just underscores them.
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He has a ferocious work ethic, something I never in my life can match. I wish I had 1/10th of his motivation, Id be in better position today.

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ax1 said:
Do you have electricity?

I heard alot of people have had their power shut off because "greeny" Cali cant produce enough and the Governor told people with blackouts tuff shyt deal with it. Is that true?
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I do have electricity...but I have heard about black outs in the LA area
 
ax1 said:
It is what it is but to say he is a bad business man is absolutely comical.

Its like all those people those years knocking on Lebron James for being a crappy basketball player, I mean those who are the best just cant win everybody, its impossible.

And I gotta remind you, I want Dump in jail!
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What would make him a bad businessman? How much money do you have to lose? How many businesses do you have to bankrupt? How many shady underhanded things do you have to do get the money you do have? I think you guys defending him is comical.
 
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ax1 said:
He has a ferocious work ethic, something I never in my life can match. I wish I had 1/10th of his motivation, Id be in better position today.

inbeforegolfmemes
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How about the "executive time" memes? He won't read more than a page... Are you just trolling now?
 
nostrum420 said:
What would make him a bad businessman? How much money do you have to lose? How many businesses do you have to bankrupt? How many shady underhanded things do you have to do get the money you do have? I think you guys defending him is comical.
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Again, how much did he inherit, how much does he have now, what is the value of his estates (hint Trump Tower alone is worth as much as he inherited today,) and what is the value of his name brand?

Business is about end results, the bottom line, not emotion.
 
nostrum420 said:
I think you guys defending him is comical.
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We both dislike Dump, the problem is people come along and create illogical issues out of nothing just because they dont like the guy and when people like me want him impeached and in jail for legitimate reasons my credibility starts at the bottom of Mt. Everest because everybody else ruined it.
 
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Wierd... is there 1 republican that you believe speaks for the entire right?
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vice president nominee...lets not forget that!!!

since biden has dementia if he is elected it is inevitable this woman would be president.
 
ax1 said:
Again, how much did he inherit, how much does he have now, what is the value of his estates (hint Trump Tower alone is worth as much as he inherited today,) and what is the value of his name brand?

Business is about end results, the bottom line, not emotion.
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I'd refer you back to the basketball analogy.
 
ax1 said:
No Im not trolling,

What is this "executive time" memes about?
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His schedule was leaked and a huge portion was "executive time" which was explained as a euphemism for him laying around watching cable half the day.
 
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