Donald Trump running for president

This isnt the "other side", this is a private company lol.

That represent who? Media arm of the opposing party. When a democrat is in office the media arm of the Republican Party will be claiming that the sitting president will refuse to leave. That’s a tired talking point that only the most gullible of people listen to.
 
As opposed to a man that is on the side of third trimester abortions, closing of churches, not condemning the burning of Catholic Churches and artifacts, which he is supposedly a member to?

Democrats trying to use the religion angle to dissuade people from the opposition is down right silly. The dems have been against religion for as long as I can remember.

And no, I am not a religious person or beholden to one.
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Trump's claims are false. Problem is, people take his statements at face value. Lying to undermine your opponent isn't exactly new in politics, but you should apply just as much skepticism to Trumps claims as you do to Bidens.
 
That represent who? Media arm of the opposing party. When a democrat is in office the media arm of the Republican Party will be claiming that the sitting president will refuse to leave. That’s a tired talking point that only the most gullible of people listen to.
Facebook doesnt represent anyone. It was instrumental in getting Trump elected in 2016.

They've long been criticized for not removing blatantly false claims by the President. He actively contributes to people from both the Republican party and the Democratic party.
 
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Trump's claims are false. Problem is, people take his statements at face value. Lying to undermine your opponent isn't exactly new in politics, but you should apply just as much skepticism to Trumps claims as you do to Bidens.

I don’t pay attention to either sides pandering to religion.
 
I don’t pay attention to either sides pandering to religion.
I'm the same. And I've seen Bidens camp do it alot recently as well. Doesnt appeal to me
 
Also thebigt, as a man of faith and one that holds his beliefs in high regard, it does surprise me that you would support a man that is blatantly using the church as leverage when he isn’t religious at all and knows nothing about the Bible. He’s a farce.
i will take trump/pence over biden/harris.

i am not voting for trump, i am voting against democrats.
 
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This chick has some real nerve....her brain is completely warped.
To think that people actually have issues with some of the things Trump says. Talk about hateful!
i will take trump/pence over biden/harris.

i am not voting for trump, i am voting against democrats.
I am voting against the democrats, but I am also more than happy to endorse Trump. Aside from agreeing with his policies and priorities on what the US could and should be, I like how he isn’t afraid to say what he’s really thinking. It makes him more relatable and human to me than a typical politician that is little more than a prop with a title.

Curious if anyone even watched the DNC? I think 90% of it was based on lies and/or completely relaying misguided opinions and information. I actually used to kind of respect Obama, but I don’t even know how he could believe anything he was saying.

Kamala came off as a likable Indian/Jamaican woman, but it was also based on feelings/opinions with no real sense of reality, or what fixing that altered sense of reality would entail.

Similar theme for Biden, but I think most people were impressed that he was actually able to deliver a speech that meant something. Too bad it was also a distorted view of reality, but at least he was able to paint a picture that likely had some appeal that people could buy into. They are all playing off emotions too much and ruining the credibility they never had to try and achieve that.

They are taking on this Mom and Dad roll of let us listen to you and take care of you and we will make everything better again. Build Back Better! Meanwhile, not taking any accountability for their roll in all the BLM/riots/violent crimes across the nation.
 
To think that people actually have issues with some of the things Trump says. Talk about hateful!

I am voting against the democrats, but I am also more than happy to endorse Trump. Aside from agreeing with his policies and priorities on what the US could and should be, I like how he isn’t afraid to say what he’s really thinking. It makes him more relatable and human to me than a typical politician that is little more than a prop with a title.

Curious if anyone even watched the DNC? I think 90% of it was based on lies and/or completely relaying misguided opinions and information. I actually used to kind of respect Obama, but I don’t even know how he could believe anything he was saying.

Kamala came off as a likable Indian/Jamaican woman, but it was also based on feelings/opinions with no real sense of reality, or what fixing that altered sense of reality would entail.

Similar theme for Biden, but I think most people were impressed that he was actually able to deliver a speech that meant something. Too bad it was also a distorted view of reality, but at least he was able to paint a picture that likely had some appeal that people could buy into. They are all playing off emotions too much and ruining the credibility they never had to try and achieve that.

They are taking on this Mom and Dad roll of let us listen to you and take care of you and we will make everything better again. Build Back Better! Meanwhile, not taking any accountability for their roll in all the BLM/riots/violent crimes across the nation.

I watched most of the DNC for kiks and shytz,

I was hilarious, most angry convention I ever heard. Nothing meaningful was said and a bunch of false promises from Obobo with his tranny husband Mitchell and Groper Joe, I lost a few brain cells watching them.

Caramel Fatriss is dangerous, she in one deceptive big government goblin.

Im all in Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen, 110%!
 
Facebook doesnt represent anyone. It was instrumental in getting Trump elected in 2016.

They've long been criticized for not removing blatantly false claims by the President. He actively contributes to people from both the Republican party and the Democratic party.

Facebook is a private company and imo can do whatever they want but having the thought police and so called "fact checkers" behind politics on social media platforms is a horrible idea and a danger to our 1st Amendment our Democracy.

Facebook does in fact have biases when policing their platform.
 
I watched most of the DNC for kiks and shytz,

I was hilarious, most angry convention I ever heard. Nothing meaningful was said and a bunch of false promises from Obobo with his tranny husband Mitchell and Groper Joe, I lost a few brain cells watching them.

Caramel Fatriss is dangerous, she in one deceptive big government goblin.

Im all in Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen, 110%!
Yeah, I expected to be unimpressed, and it was merely for entertainment value. I ended up being more disappointed than I anticipated because of all the distortion. It was even way over the top for politics! I actually didn’t see as much as I would have liked- I missed Mitchell, and I missed Bill Clinton.

I did however see Hilary Clinton, and lost any shred of respect I had left for her as well. She was an embarrassment to herself and I don’t even know how she finds enough self dignity to get herself out of bed in the morning. Clearly, that was literally all she was able to do before she let the camera crew come in. :eek:
 
Yeah, I expected to be unimpressed, and it was merely for entertainment value. I ended up being more disappointed than I anticipated because of all the distortion. It was even way over the top for politics! I actually didn’t see as much as I would have liked- I missed Mitchell, and I missed Bill Clinton.

I did however see Hilary Clinton, and lost any shred of respect I had left for her as well. She was an embarrassment to herself and I don’t even know how she finds enough self dignity to get herself out of bed in the morning. Clearly, that was literally all she was able to do before she let the camera crew come in. :eek:

Hitlery is such an azz clown sore loser, she spend over a BILLION dollars for her election and blames Putin for spending a few million on facebook ads, RRROOOFFFLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

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Quick question: for those who don't believe in the govt mandating things, what about things like the minimum wage?

For example, in the US a Mcdonalds employee makes like $9 an hour?

In NZ the minimum wage is $18.75. So all Mcdonalds employees will earn at least that.

If you believe that companies self regulate; they don't. They will pay staff the minimum required to maximize turnover. Why do people assume companies will self regulate wages?
 
Quick question: for those who don't believe in the govt mandating things, what about things like the minimum wage?

For example, in the US a Mcdonalds employee makes like $9 an hour?

In NZ the minimum wage is $18.75. So all Mcdonalds employees will earn at least that.

If you believe that companies self regulate; they don't. They will pay staff the minimum required to maximize turnover. Why do people assume companies will self regulate wages?

Wow, $18.75?! Is that in US dollars? That would help out a lot of families. Not saying it’s amazing but for minimum wage, that’s great.
 
Wow, $18.75?! Is that in US dollars? That would help out a lot of families. Not saying it’s amazing but for minimum wage, that’s great.
No, definitely not converted. Its relative though, because currency fluctuates a lot between US and NZ.

Our living wage is $21(?), so we are incrementally working towards that. $18.75 isnt bad, but it's not great.

What's the living wage (minimum amount required to survive within your own means) in the US?
 
Quick question: for those who don't believe in the govt mandating things, what about things like the minimum wage?

For example, in the US a Mcdonalds employee makes like $9 an hour?

In NZ the minimum wage is $18.75. So all Mcdonalds employees will earn at least that.

If you believe that companies self regulate; they don't. They will pay staff the minimum required to maximize turnover. Why do people assume companies will self regulate wages?

When minimum wage goes up the price of everything goes up and minimum wage soon isnt enough anymore.

Minimum wage laws most help huge corporations such as McDonalds, Walmart, Amazon, etc....knocks out smaller companies and mom and pop shops, eliminates competition.

Jobs are being replaced with robotics, even my own gym moved to a fully automated system where most of the day there are no employees at the desk other than a few hours here and there.

Many jobs turn workers into part time max employees to cut costs, jobs also require more from fewer employees.

Then you increase minimum wage but the workforce that invested alot of money in education and/or training get the short end of the stick, they dont get the raises to correlate with minimum wage increases and then they have to brunt the costs of the price of life going up.

Alot of young entry level people are having a harder time than ever getting that crappy job now, businesses dont want to brunt the risk of inexperienced workers.

This is a complicated issue requires a book rather than a short post, lol but hell no I hate minimum wage laws.

Actually I dont even believe in hourly wage format at all, jobs should be paid on production. Hourly pay kills production and incentive to do better and isnt fair to other co-workers who work harder at the same time period.
 
No, definitely not converted. Its relative though, because currency fluctuates a lot between US and NZ.

Our living wage is $21(?), so we are incrementally working towards that. $18.75 isnt bad, but it's not great.

What's the living wage (minimum amount required to survive within your own means) in the US?

We have national and state laws...then there are city laws. In NYC I think its $15 an hr, some other areas of the state has been increasing every year until it hits $15 in 2021 and most up upstate will hit $12.50.

The way I look at it, give people raises .... as a minimum wage worker in the past myself, the one thing I didnt get was why was the government punishing me for working? Why are they stealing my money when I can barely afford anything? Why are my human rights being violated?

Then there are alot of issues as to why life is so damn expensive, and why people that save always lose when government prints money out of thin air causing the invisible tax on life savings and spending power.
 
Cost of living needs to be accounted for too....$15 hr/ in NYC doesnt get you far but $15 hr in Wyoming does far more.

Thats whats retarded about that $600 pandemic insurance people were getting flat rate across the country, in some places you are still struggling and in others your doing pretty ok.
 
When minimum wage goes up the price of everything goes up and minimum wage soon isnt enough anymore.

Minimum wage laws most help huge corporations such as McDonalds, Walmart, Amazon, etc....knocks out smaller companies and mom and pop shops, eliminates competition.

Jobs are being replaced with robotics, even my own gym moved to a fully automated system where most of the day there are no employees at the desk other than a few hours here and there.

Many jobs turn workers into part time max employees to cut costs, jobs also require more from fewer employees.

Then you increase minimum wage but the workforce that invested alot of money in education and/or training get the short end of the stick, they dont get the raises to correlate with minimum wage increases and then they have to brunt the costs of the price of life going up.

Alot of young entry level people are having a harder time than ever getting that crappy job now, businesses dont want to brunt the risk of inexperienced workers.

This is a complicated issue requires a book rather than a short post, lol but hell no I hate minimum wage laws.

Actually I dont even believe in hourly wage format at all, jobs should be paid on production. Hourly pay kills production and incentive to do better and isnt fair to other co-workers who work harder at the same time period.
No, it doesnt lol. That's the argument that corporations use to avoid paying their staff more money. Guess what actually happens?

People make more money, so they spend more money. Funny how that works.

But we could probably argue this around in circles
 
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No, it doesnt lol. That's the argument that corporations use to avoid paying their staff more money. Guess what actually happens?

People make more money, so they spend more money. Funny how that works.

No its not the argument corporations make, is Walmart in this forum? No I am, lol

And with increases in minimum wage laws more people end up having slave jobs in the land of slavelandia with the middle class continuing to be wiped into an oblivion here. Walmarts, Amazon and other bigs win.

Its horrible, you have to live here to believe it.
 
In 1995 I was making $5.50 an hour. Thats how I started.

If it wasnt for minimum wage and low paying jobs Id never push myself to be where I am today. 6 years later I started going to college, got myself a degree, motivated myself to do something ok with myself and made it happen.

Im glad I had a low paying job that didnt pay crap and also ended me up totally broke and homeless.
 
No, definitely not converted. Its relative though, because currency fluctuates a lot between US and NZ.

Our living wage is $21(?), so we are incrementally working towards that. $18.75 isnt bad, but it's not great.

What's the living wage (minimum amount required to survive within your own means) in the US?

That’s really good. I guess $15 for us. My friend’s son just got a job at Target starting at $15. I know some people who’ve been at their jobs for almost 20 years and don’t even make $14. Everything is just very sad.
 
No, it doesnt lol. That's the argument that corporations use to avoid paying their staff more money. Guess what actually happens?

People make more money, so they spend more money. Funny how that works.

But we could probably argue this around in circles

It wasnt long ago I was paying $5 and change for a McDonalds Salad, at times Id buy it every day for lunch. These days, after minimum wage increases not salads are getting close to $8 and I rarely buy them anymore.

I see more and more McDonalds moving to automated ordering and soon they will have robots flipping burgers.

Its just not worth giving humans jobs anymore.
 
At the end of the year its the end of the highway and bridge toll booth era here in New York State, the government doesnt even want to pay their own minimum wage workers, RRROOOFFFLLLLLLL!!!!!!

Feel bad for those who lost their jobs though.
 
It wasnt long ago I was paying $5 and change for a McDonalds Salad, at times Id buy it every day for lunch. These days, after minimum wage increases not salads are getting close to $8 and I rarely buy them anymore.

I see more and more McDonalds moving to automated ordering and soon they will have robots flipping burgers.

Its just not worth giving humans jobs anymore.
Food prices have more influence over salad prices than wages do. Cost of ingredients goes up, a salad costs more.

So many people are opposed to minimum wage increases, but when people get paid more, they spend more. I was a fan of youth rates in NZ and kinda sad they got rid of those.
 
Quick question: for those who don't believe in the govt mandating things, what about things like the minimum wage?

For example, in the US a Mcdonalds employee makes like $9 an hour?

In NZ the minimum wage is $18.75. So all Mcdonalds employees will earn at least that.

If you believe that companies self regulate; they don't. They will pay staff the minimum required to maximize turnover. Why do people assume companies will self regulate wages?

Wages should be whatever is agreed upon by employer and employee. Keep the govt out of it. Everyone’s time is worth something else to themselves.
 
Food prices have more influence over salad prices than wages do. Cost of ingredients goes up, a salad costs more.

So many people are opposed to minimum wage increases, but when people get paid more, they spend more. I was a fan of youth rates in NZ and kinda sad they got rid of those.

Labor is biggest expense. When labor goes up so does food cost because production cost is up on that as well. Corporation looks at bottom line and determines that they still want to make the same profit margin regardless so they increase the price of product. They make it 15 dollars and hour minimum and we will just end up with 9 dollar burgers at McDonald’s. And I am just throwing a number out because I haven’t ate in one of those nasty ass fast food restaurants in years.
 
Wages should be whatever is agreed upon by employer and employee. Keep the govt out of it. Everyone’s time is worth something else to themselves.
That's fair, I think Denmark does it this way and a McDs employee earns $21 per hour
 
Labor is biggest expense. When labor goes up so does food cost because production cost is up on that as well. Corporation looks at bottom line and determines that they still want to make the same profit margin regardless so they increase the price of product. They make it 15 dollars and hour minimum and we will just end up with 9 dollar burgers at McDonald’s. And I am just throwing a number out because I haven’t ate in one of those nasty ass fast food restaurants in years.

I've always found the service industry in the US interesting because it's one of the only places I've seen that uses a tipping system.

Anyway, I was just curious what you guys thought
 
I make $46/hr and have a hard time sometimes in CA lol
 
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As an outsider, i would for sure rather endorse a man who comes from business background, is at least to a degree (varies according to opinions) independent and last and most important, one who is hated by the many without an apparent reason.
 
First off, the notifications on this site have become horrible. Useless. I checked in and was reading new posts to realize I was 9 pages back!

Oh well. I am sure what I had to say would have been life changing for everyone involved...haha.

Quick question: for those who don't believe in the govt mandating things, what about things like the minimum wage?

For example, in the US a Mcdonalds employee makes like $9 an hour?

In NZ the minimum wage is $18.75. So all Mcdonalds employees will earn at least that.

If you believe that companies self regulate; they don't. They will pay staff the minimum required to maximize turnover. Why do people assume companies will self regulate wages?

Minimum wage, with minimal understanding of economics, can be seen to hurt employees and help corporations. There is NO situation that people think it is good for sellers of a product (in this case, employees selling labor) to have a known, agreed upon price.

Sure, this is supposed to be a minimum price, but it doesn't work that way. McDonald's and Burgerking don't have to compete for labor - they know what the other is paying and if someone wants more they know they can replace them with another worker and that that person cannot go elsewhere and get more. Minimum wage tips the leverage in the favor of the employee. It is insidious and abuses poor people.

No, it doesnt lol. That's the argument that corporations use to avoid paying their staff more money. Guess what actually happens?

People make more money, so they spend more money. Funny how that works.

But we could probably argue this around in circles

You are applying macro economic theory to microeconomics situations here. If you have to pay employees $20/hour and they can make 2 products in that hour, and the other costs of making those 2 products is $30 - you really cannot be selling that product for $25 each no matter how much more your employees are buying from you. And if you want or have to pay them $21 an hour, you will go out of business not raising prices. If you don't and you double your sales, you will just go under faster.

If you want to take a macro look, then you realize employee wages are THE factor to watch for in regard to inflation. THIS is why the fed controls interest rates.

If we have a literal 100% employment, theoretically, and an employee demands a wage increase - you have no choice but to give it to him/her because you have no one to replace them with. Everyone else has jobs. Soon everyone realizes this and demands more and more and prices have to go up and up to compensate. This is how you get runaway inflation and the feds manipulate the interest rate to increase the cost of debt, and ultimately unemploy some people to keep a pool available. Employee costs are well known to drive inflation.

Wages should be whatever is agreed upon by employer and employee. Keep the govt out of it. Everyone’s time is worth something else to themselves.

Really? But, but, but then big corporations will take advantage and pay people less....

oh, wait...what, we have an example if what you said? How did that work out?

See below...

*(obvious sarcastic post)

That's fair, I think Denmark does it this way and a McDs employee earns $21 per hour

A real world example of the economic theory I laid out above in play. Funny that without a minimum wage, the employees are making more, huh?
 
Also thebigt, as a man of faith and one that holds his beliefs in high regard, it does surprise me that you would support a man that is blatantly using the church as leverage when he isn’t religious at all and knows nothing about the Bible. He’s a farce.

Does it ever surprise you that the party that claims to be helping so many people and raising minorities has nominated a man who claims poor kids are as talented as white kids, the latino community has more diversity of thought than the black community, and actively fought desegregation?

Or that they used the color of a man's skin to get him elected despite having NO qualifications?

And now they are using a person's genitals and skin color to their advantage? (Yes, Biden said no matter what he was choosing a woman for VP, not the best qualified candidate. He view women as being less than and in need of special treatment.)

Or how about the fact that it is ok for a POLITICIAN to call a white president an arangutan, but if an ACTOR calls a politician an Ape, it is a different standard? Shouldn't right and wrong be the same for everyone?

It surprises me how many people use racism against others so often and then vote for the above.
 
As an outsider, i would for sure rather endorse a man who comes from business background, is at least to a degree (varies according to opinions) independent and last and most important, one who is hated by the many without an apparent reason.

Wouldn't you want it to be a *good* businessman?

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Did you see the latest viral video where two women are recording a man being chased by the police. In the beginning they are saying, "That man has a knife!" When the police pull up they say, "They are going to kill him." And as he tries to carry this knife into the store (after they have been chasing him to this store), they yell for him to get down and he refuses and continues into the store and they unload on him. Instantly the woman recording says, "They just killed that man right in front of me, that is so racist."

People have been brainwashed into a narrative that is destructive.
 
Wouldn't you want it to be a *good* businessman?

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This is utterly moronic, sorry. You do realize that Bezos was losing hundreds of millions of dollars EVERY year in the late 90s and early 2000s, right?

Or how about Henry Ford - who went bankrupt 3x starting automobile companies.

Come on man.
 
I am on a posting spree here...haha...the reason I came here...saw this article on mail-in voting that I thought was interesting. Apparently they tried to do something similar when Lincoln was president. And this is from everybody's favorite unbiased news! (More heavy sarcasm)

The Washington Post: Mail-in ballots were part of a plot to deny Lincoln reelection in 1864.
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This is utterly moronic, sorry. You do realize that Bezos was losing hundreds of millions of dollars EVERY year in the late 90s and early 2000s, right?

Or how about Henry Ford - who went bankrupt 3x starting automobile companies.

Come on man.

Yeah Bezos is a corrupt mediocre businessman who happened to have a **** ton of connections in finance. He also intended to lose that money in the process of undercutting mom and pop shops out of business. Trump just blundered it away.
 
Yeah Bezos is a corrupt mediocre businessman who happened to have a **** ton of connections in finance. He also intended to lose that money in the process of undercutting mom and pop shops out of business. Trump just blundered it away.

Lmao. What exaclty is YOUR standard of a good businessman? This is getting funny.
 
Food prices have more influence over salad prices than wages do. Cost of ingredients goes up, a salad costs more.

So many people are opposed to minimum wage increases, but when people get paid more, they spend more. I was a fan of youth rates in NZ and kinda sad they got rid of those.

Thats the problem with most poor people, get paid more you spend more. They never save for a rainy day. They always are just as broke or broker than before they got the mandated raise.

Your not wrong about the cost of ingredients go up, thats part of the problem too.
 
That's fair, I think Denmark does it this way and a McDs employee earns $21 per hour

If you eliminate the concept of hourly wage some people would make even more and McDonalds has the potential of becoming a far more delightful place to eat. Part of this is on the employer as well but performance based salary is the key to success.

The best jobs I ever had were performance based, such as the non-union cable company. We were paid by the foot of fiber optic we put up along with each piece of hardware we installed. Hardest most motivated group of people I ever worked with, learned alot and we were all rewarded for it.

The post pathetic lazy group of people I ever worked for was the Union mining company paid by the hour. And Ill tell ya, people were making $23hr back in 2005 plus full top of the line medical care, fully paid 401k benefits on top of salary and these were people so broke if you cut their overtime hours from 70 to 50 they panic and cry about how they can make ends meet. Some of the cable guys I worked with were still screwed up but it a problem when it came to working hard and performing. Why? Because they werent paid by the hour.
 
OK, bro. Maybe someone who doesn't bankrupt 3 casinos??? Being derisive doesn't make your case any better, btw. 🙈🙈🙈

Being derisive doesn't make the case better. Nor does it make it any worse. Your case is utterly stupid, and indefensible. I didn't put you in that corner.

So, Ford is a bad business man for going bankrupt?

Bezos is a bad businessman because he had connections? Most people would see that as an important part of being a good businessman.

Now, being corrupt is a different argument with a different set of criteria, which we could debate.

But if you think most good businessmen are good because they lack failures, you are just foolish. And you are ignoring a bunch of wins and only focusing on failures.

I would place a high value in someone who has had big failures and was persistent and got some wins too. I thought the argument is always how Trump had everything handed to him, now he lost everything and that is bad. Yet, here he is again. A billionaire. Was it handed to him twice?

Being a good businessman, like being a good leader or athlete or musician or anything- isn't something you are born with. You learn and grow into it - through failure. Unless you value being lucky over being persistent, but then you are showing your true values and beliefs in equality.

If you are going to bash someone just because you have an unfounded hatred, at least pick a side and be consistent and show some logical thought. Not being derisive, said it from the beginning, the Trump is a bad businessman because he had failures argument is 100% moronic.
 
I've always found the service industry in the US interesting because it's one of the only places I've seen that uses a tipping system.

Anyway, I was just curious what you guys thought

Its a great business model, its a performance based job and also puts pressure on your teammates to work hard, and the consumer wins as it gives incentives for quality service. Does it guarantee that? Of course now, but those that work the hardest and provide the best service usually end up as the best businesses.

Alot of waiters in NY who make $2 hr freak out when it comes to the "liberal" side wanting to mandate minimum wage laws on them.
 
You wish your grandad ran whore houses.

Again, which argument are you sticking with? It was all handed to him and that is why he is rich?

Or it was handed to him and he lost it all?

Because...the second argument kind of suggests he learned and grew and is now rich on his lessons....
 
Again, which argument are you sticking with? It was all handed to him and that is why he is rich?

Or it was handed to him and he lost it all?

Because...the second argument kind of suggests he learned and grew and is now rich on his lessons....

Dems will go with any argument they can. Remember billionaires are bad. Everyone should be equal regardless of work ethic and risk.
 
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