Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?
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GreenMachineX
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This is the one that really gets me. Even for those who don’t buy into it being “a real virus!!!” The thing about it is if we’re wrong, then a few months went by at home, with family, maybe harder financially for some, no problem for others...but if they’re wrong and we follow their plans, millions dead. I choose financially difficulty *for some* over NYC happening across the country.
muscleupcrohn
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Mr. Quest, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Please explain why, then, the reported COVID deaths match up nearly exactly with the reported/calculated excess deaths, which no one gets money for, and the hospitals do not generate/create.
And when did I say there was no racism among police under Obama. There was. I'm not saying that it's Trump's fault just because he's president, just as it wasn't Obama's fault when he was president. But you really don't think that, regardless of who is President, that police reform to help prevent bad cops from getting away with being bad is a good thing? Do you really think, for example, cops should be allowed to have sex with people in their custody?
And do you not think that we should wear masks?
You're not an idiot for voicing an opinion, you're an idiot for dismissing literal mountains of data from multiple countries with zero evidence and zero explanation for why it's wrong, and no reputable sources beyond "I heard X is happening, but can't provide any actual proof of my claim."
thebigt
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the governor of indiana[republican]just declared masks mandatory for marion county[indianapolis].
i haven't heard how he plans to enforce this, but i am all in for making masks mandatory for entire state...my area hasn't been hit very hard so far, but it's retarded to wait until it gets bad to react, imo....i am all in on being pro-active and doing something so simple as wearing a mask if it has even the possibility of saving lives!!!
i haven't heard how he plans to enforce this, but i am all in for making masks mandatory for entire state...my area hasn't been hit very hard so far, but it's retarded to wait until it gets bad to react, imo....i am all in on being pro-active and doing something so simple as wearing a mask if it has even the possibility of saving lives!!!
muscleupcrohn
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I do also think ID to vote makes sense. But then that means that there's no ID for mail-in ballots, so I do see the concern.
But yeah, Quest is willfully ignorant, and his arguments consistently contradict each other, but he's to stubborn to see it. He thinks being firm in his convictions is strength, and something to be proud of, but remaining firm in your convictions once you are shown to be wrong is the strength of a madman, not a healthy man, and is lamentable, not enviable.
muscleupcrohn
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Way to ignore the other 99% of my post, and of everyone else's post explaining why your logic is bad.
Quest
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And I apologize for inconveniencing you with my incoherent ramblings. I just turned my first job of the day for 700 and don't have the luxury of researching and citing each of my points from a reputable source. I'm entertaining myself on to my next stop.
But I appreciate the kind steady words!
But I appreciate the kind steady words!
thebigt
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many years ago i did something called confined voting that was ran by the county clerks office...they sent us out in teams of 1 republican/1 democrat in a taxi, we went to places where sick and elderly were mailed ballots and we were there to make sure the person voting was who they were supposed to be, and to witness their signing of ballot-then we returned ballot to clerks office sealed.
when i was in the military, i voted by ballot but i had to sign off to make sure i only voted once and had to show id.
if you knew you were going to be on vacation or away for business reasons you could go to clerks office and fill out a ballot in advance.
everyone else voted in person...
HIT4ME
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So, what exactly, is it that you are disagreeing with?
thebigt
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muscleupcrohn
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If you can’t provide any citations to back up your claims, then don’t make them. It’s quite simple really. You don’t have references to reputable sources because no reputable source agrees with your inane ramblings. I tried being nice with you and explaining why your logic is incorrect, as have other users here, and your repeatedly refuse to hear it.
People like you who don’t understand the concept of fractions, excess death counts matching up to the reported COVID deaths, etc., when people try to educate you and you refuse to listen, you are deserving of being mocked.
muscleupcrohn
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Trump has politicized mask wearing. BOTH SIDES politicize EVERYTHING. My point is that the reported deaths due to COVID match up with the reported excess deaths, which don’t come from hospitals. So please explain how, if you claim hospitals are jacking up reported COVID deaths, they still match up nearly exactly with the excess deaths in the same time period. Now tell me where those excess deaths are coming from then, if it’s not COVID and it’s BS?
thebigt
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if only trump would just stfu and let his surrogates do the dirty work this time...trump is usually really good in these situations but on this he has put himself in a hole and it keeps getting deeper.
muscleupcrohn
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Thank you! I respect you for admitting when Trump messes up. If he didn’t politicize this so much himself, then the left wouldn’t be able to turn it back on him so much.
muscleupcrohn
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I mention police brutality and potential police reform and you respond with "wHat AboUT ObAma?" What does that have to do with anything? When did I ever mention Trump or Obama in regards to police brutality and reform? They have nothing to do with each other. It's not a POLITICAL issue, it's a police policy issue. YOU politicized it by making it about Trump and Obama...
Hilltern
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Dude, don’t you know that everything is Obama’s fault. There’s video of his supporters questioning why he wasn’t doing anything in office on 9/11. Let that sink in lmao. As Forrest Gump said, “stupid is as stupid does.”
thebigt
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the games both sides have and still are playing should not go unnoticed, politics on both sides of the aisle have cost lives plus a heavy financial burden.
political games is what poiticians do, i don't think anything would have been much different regardless who was in charge.
thebigt
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i thought bush jr was in office on 9-11?
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GreenMachineX
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Dude, I’m with you on the stats of COVID/deaths/quarantine/etc (not the racism/police brutality thing though, but that’s okay), but at some point, it’s starting to look like he’s trolling you. It’s hard to tell just from a forum post (Or 15 lol), but it sure looks like he’s getting you too worked up!
GreenMachineX
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muscleupcrohn
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So you DON’T think that police shouldn’t be allowed to have sex with people in their custody? I’m not saying all/most cops are bad, not by any means, only that we can have some level of policy reform that makes it harder for bad cops to be bad and get away with it without harming good cops ability to do their job. Surely we can agree on that?
And as for me getting worked up, I’m not losing any sleep over it, just commenting when I have breaks in work, or when I’m on the toilet lol. If I get actually worked up or bothered, I’d just step out and not comment. I know I’ve gone periods of not commenting on these threads for a while if it gets to be too much, so no worries there,
I HOPE he is trolling me, and that he doesn’t actually believe everything he’s saying, that would make me happy.
muscleupcrohn
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Honest question man, do you even believe the s**t you say, or are you just a troll?
Glad to know I somehow have wet panties because I point out when you’re wrong, it’s not my fault you’re wrong so often,
GreenMachineX
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Honestly, I haven’t heard of this sex under custody thing and have no idea what you’re talking about. Did this just happen?
But anyway, yeah, I’m game for making it harder for bad cops to be bad while not harming good cops ability to do their job. I just don’t believe the problem being as widespread/huge that the media is portraying. And I definitely don’t agree with crucifying officers for things we don’t understand (such as the stolen-taser incident, we weren’t there). Fixing the issue might be more of a better psych eval and background check and emphasize personality defects as opposed to rejecting a man for getting locked up at 17 for a simple marijuana possession. What I don’t want to see is the police defunded and put through some generic “diversity” training. The Army has plenty of those trainings every year to check a block, and I never benefited from them.
Actually, maybe we should “fund” the police. Who would the job attract if it paid more and didn’t swing shift week to week? Just some of my random thoughts on the matter.
muscleupcrohn
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Man, I'm NOT a liberal, but I guess everyone who disagrees with you must be a liberal, right? I'm a registered Republican who leans libertarian.
I support the right to bear arms, and don't support any nebulous "assault weapon" ban. I think that a religion should be allowed to accept or deny any marriage between any two people, but that the government should give any consenting adult couple equal rights under the law in a civil union. I don't support crazy high taxes, I don't support abolishing ICE, I don't agree with giving scholarships to illegal immigrants, etc.
You thinking that my criticizing Trump means I must be a liberal is quite telling...
muscleupcrohn
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There was a recent case, which lead to people realizing that it's allowed in many states. It's something that should be so obvious you'd think you wouldn't need a law saying you can't do it, but if it's not a law on the books, then when someone does it, they end up getting away with it. That's why sometimes a law seems so dumb/obvious/etc.
See here:
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Hell, I'm all for increasing police pay IF it means getting better qualified and trained individuals. Risky/dangerous jobs mean higher pay, so if you double that with good training and qualifications, then it should be a decent paying job, if it isn't already. That said, maybe require at least a 2 year degree to be an officer then? You need more time/education/training to cut hair than to be an officer of the law with a gun and the ability to use lethal force.
I remember years ago, firefighters were paid like garbage (my dad was a firefighter for ~25 years), and in more recent years their pay increased a lot, and now you have a ton of people waiting to get into the academy, and trying to get jobs, which means that they have higher quality applicants for jobs, which is good.
But increased pay should only be given if the standards are raised, of course.
muscleupcrohn
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Congratulations on knowing a word lol.
GreenMachineX
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Absolutely agree on all accounts.
muscleupcrohn
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Maybe that barbers need more training to cut hair than cops do to be given a gun and allowed to use lethal force?
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Do you really think requiring a two year degree (or at least 2 years of credit hours) to be an officer would be a bad idea? Of course, anyone who is already an officer would be grandfathered in, and wouldn't have to go (back) to school to get a degree.
Some departments DO require 60 credit hours of college, which is roughly the equivalent of an Associate's Degree, and I think that's fine, even if they didn't actually get an AA (such as someone doing 2 years of a 4-year degree and not actually getting an AA degree).
muscleupcrohn
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Thanks. I feel like most people aren't terribly far apart in reality, it's just that we focus on what we don't agree on, even if it's not most things, or even if it's only a misunderstanding and we actually are closer than we initially think. The news and politicians love to polarize things though. If I disagree with Trump, I must be a liberal, and if I agree with him, I must be a conservative. One even a single subject/topic/issue, it's nuts.
BamBam54
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muscleupcrohn
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The CNN article literally links to the GOVERNMENT WEBSITES listing the requirements to be an officer you donkey...
For example, it links to this:
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and this:
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It doesn't matter WHO/WHERE you see a claim, only if it is backed up with solid facts, which this CNN article is...
And BJS (from the US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE) Lists 840 hours as the average as of 2013:
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muscleupcrohn
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Holy s**t would have been funnier.If this is time on the toilet, holy cow!!
thebigt
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been several days ago, but i remember navy boot camp being around 3.5-4 months.
of course then i got shipped off to 'A' school for additional specific training.
amazing the amount of stuff they can teach you in a relatively short amount of time.
muscleupcrohn
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Yes, but no matter how much is crammed into a short period of time, the amount of time itself does also matter to a degree. Also, aren't military allowed to push you a lot harder/longer than academies are? And I read, from people who claim to have done both boot camp and police academy, that the total hours for boot camp is ~1.5x more than the academy, even though it's in less time.
muscleupcrohn
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No hard feelings. It's some hot-button topics that get people heated. It takes a big man (not being sarcastic at all) to admit that, and I know sometimes I can be overly harsh and blunt. I enjoy this place too!
thebigt
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i entered bootcamp 1/13/77 i've heard a lot has changed since then...i don't know much about the police academy-if it's a job you show up for everyday or if it is like bootcamp.
really the only reason for my post was just to say that if it is well organized which i assume it is, they can teach a hell of a lot in that length of time.
also, don't rookie cops do a probation period where they are assigned to a seasoned cop for on the job training where they have to pass evals?
muscleupcrohn
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I don't know much of anything about it either TBH (and I'm also not black. I'm Jewish, but I'm not going to claim to have experienced nearly as much discrimination or hatred as the average black person in America today; I've been fortunate in that regard). Which is why I tried to look for verifiable statistics on it. But even that, just a few numbers, may not paint the full picture. This whole pandemic has a lot of people on edge, understandably so. Part of it is the fear of the unknown, not knowing if/when things will return to normal. And we all just want things to get back to normal. That and we can feel so powerless. It's out of our control to stop this pandemic. It's out of our control to have other people obey distancing rules and wear masks. It's out of our control to trust politicians in office to make the best decisions for the people, not for themselves and their agendas. It's rough, feeling powerless, and that leads to us trying to prove ourselves right, and to arguments over things that aren't in our control, to give us some feeling of having control. It's strange times for sure.
I could be better too, I admit that much, but I'm glad we can all take a step back every so often and admit our faults and flaws.
muscleupcrohn
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I've read that some parts of police academy involve you showing up and then going home (like college/school), while some parts are more like bootcamp. But that may vary on state/department/etc. No idea TBH.
And what you say about a rookie cop being assigned to a veteran would make sense too, but I don't know if that's standard procedure, or, if it is, how long it is for. But seeing how often we see improper techniques being practiced (like knees on people's throats), and how often some of the cops in recent months are overly-eager to use weapons (even if they're non/less lethal), I'm wondering if we shouldn't spend more time on conflict escalation/deescalation training for officers? Again, I'm no expert, and police often are in dangerous situations for sure, but I've seen more than a few instances where officers greatly escalated situations that presented really no clear or immediate threat to themselves or others at all. Again, not all or most cops, but enough that it should be addressed IMO.